I'll admit, I was not expecting Grave Titan on this list. Really clever use of the fact that it's "a _sorcery_ speed spell" to sneak it in btw

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

What video are YOU watching!? 😂

@dino-wer-kuh3498

3 жыл бұрын

i know right?! how the frigg did it make it THIS HIGH! you guys WONT BELIEVE how high GRAVE TITAN is on THIS LIST! (spoiler: 2 places better than kodamas reach!)

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

You can Emergence Zone out your Grave Titan and its number one instant

"This card is completely insane" counter: 8

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Cherries 🍒 wants you to know how insane cards are!

@bradleyhoward9638

3 жыл бұрын

Don't counter the tutor unless your counter is limited to noncreature or only instant/ sorcery.

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradleyhoward9638 Or they are going for Boseiju

I don’t know where it’d rank for you guys if the list got extended, but in most decks that can play it, Jeska’s Will is ludicrously powerful.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Funny you say that, it was one of the last to be cut from our big list that started with 45-50 sorceries

“We love you all as much as we can without making y’all uncomfortable” Funny AND considerate XD

I would consider finale of devastation to be better than green suns zenith, even though it’s one mana more, you aren’t limited to green creatures, and it can be a win con.

@ryanbigbabykinlawbrisbin753

3 жыл бұрын

I was shocked I didn’t see it. Pulls from graveyard and a haste enabler .....

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Just think Green Sun's Zenith has more utility is all, that one mana makes a fair bit of difference

@elipetrou9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanbigbabykinlawbrisbin753 oh ya I forgot about that too

@elipetrou9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds ya, it’s your list and all. I was just thinking that for one mana you get haste, recursion and a huge creature buff. That being said, if you don’t dump the extra mana into it green suns is a slightly better deal, as all you get for the other mana is more variety and recursion.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

@@elipetrou9308 finale close was cute pretty late in the process.

Replenish is also really strong, if you play a decent amount of enchantments.

Looking forward to seeing Alpha Brawl on here.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

😅

I agree 100% about proxies with you guys, great content, keep it up 👍

The distinction between instants and sorceries with flash I think is pretty important (name card types, some cards interact with one or the other, etc)

Just wanted to say...I am not an OG watcher, but I've been really going through your posts. You guys are amazing. I really appreciate your comment, humour, interactions, etc. You seem like guys that would just be fun you hang out with. It would be amazing to play magic with you guys. Keep up the great work, fellas.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks Mike! Always happy when someone loves our content because that means they have a huge backlog to dig through which is the best feeling ever 😄 Come and hang in the discord, we have been getting more into spelltable lately (we actually just played 4 games yesterday)

Demonic Tutor was already my favorite card back in 1994. Yes i’m old....

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Why pick a favorite when you can have ANY card be your favorite :P

casting timetwister feels amazing! * puts on tophat and monocle *

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

I say old chap, well played!

also: im friggn saving money already to fly across the pond once covid is over, then i bruteforce my way into your EDH games! sadly (gladly?) i met SOOO many cool muricans thanks to you guys that i need to take like at least a month off work and visit as many of them as possible. but its gonna happen!

@OmegaMTG

3 жыл бұрын

I'm in Oregon if you make it here. You can play with my pod. :)

You know what’s completely insane? How much I love your channel 😊😊😊

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

YOU ARE AWESOME PEANUT

@poofypeanut0221

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds I would only be kinda awesome if I didn’t watch the Nitpicking Nerds religiously !

GREAT content. I do agree that tutors are often the best sorceries, they can even take your best flash sorceries LUL! However, I think that a fair tier list maybe without the presence of tutors. Cheers!

I loved this video series! Any chance you two might be considering updating this?

Really like the daily uploads!

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

we're loving it too!

You know what I miss? The look of resigned betrayal on Joe's face when Beezy would interrupt him.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

That’s character growth!

Nice list thanks for tutoring me😉

I am partial to Tragic Arrogance as a board wipe. *I* get the choice of what dies on each player's board. And *I* can choose the same permanent multiple times if I want (Enchantment Creatures or Artifact Creatures are the bane of other players). It is really fun when played.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

We love that card, we think it's one of the best in the format :)

I love the reoccurring opening! When are you going to start selling nitpicking nerd merch?

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

We tried in the past and it didn't come out very good so we're looking into it :)

I agree with the reserve list stance. That being said, really love me some proxies tho 🥰🥰

Tutors are always some of the best cards you can play. Even in budget you can get good tutors through all the trophy, trinket, etc. Mages and a few other niche tutor cards

@jdust4

3 жыл бұрын

Can't afford Demonic Tutor? Just play Grim Tutor!

LED + Underworld Bridge + Brain Freeze would me a much better combination for cEDH as you don't give your opponents the opportunity to draw interaction, or maybe throw in a Hullbreacher with Wheel of Fortune and you have all the mana in the world. :P

I feel like Armageddon is awesome in osgir where you're running a bunch of mana rocks.

@entiao5570

3 жыл бұрын

Until you catch a Vandalblast and the whole game is wrecked

I was hoping that Dread Return would be on this list or at least mentioned alongside Reanimate. The ability to cast Dread Return from the graveyard is so useful in self-mill decks. Also I'm suprised that Expropriate was the only turns spell in the top 15

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

The cost of 9 mana really brings it down

@crovax1375

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds what do you mean?

Always nice to see a NPN episode queued 👾

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

I would adjust my monocle for anyone who played Ravages of War against me and twirl my moustache against a Time Twister

Not sure if its top 15 but ive never casted triumph of the hordes and lost a game of edh.

@ulamogscofferoom1535

3 жыл бұрын

if that card resolves it is pretty much insta win

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure where we'd put that card it's not something we usually play

@rend7979

3 жыл бұрын

The craterhoof behemoth of sorceries

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

You Triumphed

Great lists

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Armageddon+ World Shaper + Sac Outlet seems reasonable

Best Reanimate play in my Grixis Marchesa Artifacts deck: T1 - "I don't play a land, move to discard...discard a Blightsteel" T2 - "Swamp. Reanimate." ...boom. (And yes, I hit other black players first ASAP to get around Deluge, lol!)

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Blightsteel shuffled back into your deck

@dino-wer-kuh3498

3 жыл бұрын

​@@NitpickingNerds JUDGE!

A friend of mine used [[Reanimate]] to recur [[Jin-Gitaxias]] on turn 2. We scooped.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yeesh. Yeah that'll do it

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

Yikes

No Yawgmoth's Will? EDH is the only format its even legal in, not sure how it was missed.

First suggestion to proxy....nice, keep preaching the gospel!

I made a borderline cedh rielle deck and gamble is in there cuz its a tutor, and a draw after i discard and it bumps rielles power. Deck is near a g bar and is a straight 9 storm deck and then my emry artifact deck is right next to or right below that. Still working on getting my locust god deck faster and gavi is my go to deck thats a solid 7 for most pods.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you are a big izzet fan lol

@returnoftheduelist9790

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds i dont run black or green and every spicy card in those colors ive pulled i traded for blue cards or artifacts lmao

gamble was printed in alpha its called demonic tutor ps.: time spiral + copy spells. if you have enough you can just infinitely draw 7 including another copy spell and shuffle your grave back to not mill out

I'm surprised Time Warp (and its functionally similar cousins) didn't make the list. Extra Turn spells that go to the graveyard to be recurred are insane. I'd probably put them above Gamble, personally.

@OmegaMTG

3 жыл бұрын

Time warp in graveyard. Omnispell adept on the battlefield. Mnemonic deluge. 3 extra turns for 3 mana. That should be game. :)

Agree. Grave Titan is indeed better than counterspell, counterspell does a one-for-one, Grave Titan is multiple bodies in one card!

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

triggered

Kinda surprised to not see any nature’s lore type cards. I know they aren’t necessarily the most powerful cards but they (should) go in 99% of all the green decks imo. Very good list once again though!

My demonic tuner has one manna for its casting cost so which is it

what about gitaxian probe? when you talked about time spiral BZ said "0 mana, draw 1! i take it!". git prob does exactly that, and you peek at someone hand. being a free cantrip looks innocent, but is actually quite insane in combo and spellslinger decks. its so easy to exploit and oils engines that are already good

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Git Probe is up there. It is definitely one of the best cards ever printed. Moreso for 1v1 I think

Dead of Winter seems really good with all the new snow stuff

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

It scales well with the game but early game it slacks off a bit.

Welp, time to buy a well-deserved Natural Order to pump my Yisan deck up e.e Great vid guys, my GF LOOOOVES expropriate and I, among suffering and despair, love her, spitefully whenever she plays it/talks about it.

00:30:40 lol, that always happens. Sometimes people skip past the disclaimer.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Step 1: Get triggered by an NN video Step 2: Comment without watching 80% of the video Step 3: Profit

Can't believe you forgot Spring of Eternal Piece, should have been number 1!!

My favorite is Tooth and Nail even tho I don’t use it to combo.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

It's a pretty great card

I bought my liliana art demonic tutor for my liliana tribal deck. It is pretty

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Ooo I love that one

Imagine time twister with smothering tithe. Okay I now get 21 free mana and seven new cards to play, thanks for playing

Armageddon/Ravages of War can be brutal if combined with Kamahl's Will. Destroy all lands, except your Indestructible 1/1 lands!

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

That is what the kids call a Wombo Combo

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

Heroic Intervention works as well for only 2. Lets be honest, have you ever even seen Ravages of War played? Its like 1500 bucks

I played a game where I played expropriate and didn't win where 3/4 players voted time... I regret not having/drawing into a wincon.... Still a good card.

Hey NN, if I play Golos and put all of the Top 15 lists in one deck, will I have the Infinity Gauntlet of Commander? :o

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna say yes on that one

Hell I'll drive to Buffalo. I mean, I'd do it just for Duffs, but playing EDH is a plus.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Duff's is a nice bonus

Doomsday has fallen out in favour of cedh with the printing of opposition agent

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to keep up with the cEDH meta.

@vondoom3141

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds thats legit

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

Its all ad naus now

Where did you get the Emrakul clock?

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

It's just the artwork :P

Always Green Sun Zenith for Dryad Arbor

definitely ballsy to try and make a list like this.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

How did we do?

I feel sorceries are supposed to be naturally stronger effects while instances are supposed to be decent and/or over costed.

Gamble is my absolute favorite red card tbh

Guyyyysss... number one, YAWGMOTH’S WILL. Comon now lol. Legit surprised me that this wasn’t. But DT is also top 5

@mattcarnelli6782

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t even count the amount of games I’ve won off YW with my K’rrik deck. Not even in the video 😔

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

We considered it, but it's pretty bad outside of a spellslinger/storm type deck. None of the "storm" cards really cracked the list

Expropriate is perfect in my Narset deck

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Because it wins the game immediately? 😂

Omnispell Adept makes this list ridiculous if you run blue.

Who is it on the reanimate art? 🤔

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's a gross shrively raisin man

Armageddon belongs in Kaalia. Big time.

Question for Beezy. Could you rank Reanimate, Animate Dead, and Necromancy for Meren in a reply to this comment. Just numbers is fine if you dont want to dive in.

@MatthiasMatcha

3 жыл бұрын

1, 2, 3

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it depends on how heavily focused you are on milling and dredging and entombing, but I do think it goes 1, 2, 3. The question is how many of them do you want

I just wonder how many dual lands have gotten destroyed over the years? Now the number of cards available is very, very limited..

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Oh it's gotta be a substantial percentage

Apocalypse for #1

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Quite possibly...

@kurtisyoung6739

3 жыл бұрын

Remove everything from the game and discard your entire hand? How could it not be number one?

I always thought the floor is lava but apparently the floor is a mana dork.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, your whole life is a lie

Reanimate Grave Titan. Thats why reanimate is OP!

Freaking omnipotence Every one Sacrifices half their creature Loses half there life And discards half their hand All this how 3BB

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

Tergrid approves

Plague of Vermin i think is the best sorcery in the game

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

It might be one of the coolest :P

Where is cultivate and Kodamas reach?

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Somewhere way below, most of these cards are crazy powerful! I guess as a side note we'd probably stick Nature's Lore, Three Visits, and Skyshroud Claim above Cultivate

Timetwister is $9k now.

also also! OG duals S tier! fight me, poopface!

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

YOU ARE WHATS WRONG WITH THE WORLD

Can you explain again? Please

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Which one? lol

Peer into the Abyss....

#15 with the new Thor god

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Big time game winning

If u play armageddon and dont win quickly im never playing with u again

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty fair outlook

@lunarlight3131

3 жыл бұрын

can confirm. used to play land destruction when i first started edh. playgroup kicked me out.

@pauljimerson8218

3 жыл бұрын

You should have the win on the spot basically

“Dual lands aren’t Tier S because they are on the reserved list.” Puts multiple reserved list cards in this top 15 sorceries video. 👍😂

*AHEM* There best be Vicious Rumors on this list or imma finna lose it.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Welp...

What's better than Progenitus? Hahaha

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Riiiiight 😂

Whoa ull play game if we drive up!!!!! Brings 14 decks*

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yes muchie we eill play with you

@Munchie3777

3 жыл бұрын

\(^o^)/!!!

Now I wonder how many of these will be in the archive for Strixhaven 🤔

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Ooo could be interesting

The four dislikes are just people trying to sell underground sea for 2000 on Ebay and you told the masses they got em for 1000 on Ebay, "nitpicking nerds crashes the economy"

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao we are killing this

Tbh Demonic Tutor = 99 card deck

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it just cantrips you into your best thing. It's funny when the card you tutor for is on top

sonic wallet

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Not even creative 0/10

Young people don't understand the good spongebob references 😢

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

It's a damn shame

Lol at $3k for a twister... closer to $5-6k

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

yikes

Shared summons ? And it’s less mana even, and yes it is an instant but tooth n nail shouldn’t be on the list but just showing how this is much better n u shouldnt run tooth n nail lol

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

That's an instant lol

@tooltechtv6130

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda makes tooth and nail trashy looking actually for 4 more mana, like oh yea guys you just wait!!! You just wait til I get that nine mana!

Chaos Warp

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

...

@chrisgroulx6071

3 жыл бұрын

Chaos warp is an Instance.

consuming abberation stays when you Toxic Deluge

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Most likely 😂

"Cedh is just ten" not shure to understand, english is not my native lsnguage. You mean 11-15 doesnt even fit in CEDH? Just want to know if it's what you mean, trying to improuve my english I try to understand more than words and basic sentence, I want to be able to undetstand more complexe sentence, the meaning of sentences that doesnt say clearly things but let us interprete it. So my question is not about 11-15 being not good enought for CEDH, my question is more like did you mean "11-15 is already not good enough" like if you play cedh 1 to 10, don't go further.. as a way to say " even 10 is not really good enought.. pick the 5,6,7 first.. don't go until 13-14 like the end part of the list doesnt reach cedh power level.. in brief is it what you wanted to say? Or did you really wanted to say that the, specific cards from 11 to 15 aren,t ( specificaly) good enough for cedh. Or even meaning something else..

@rend7979

3 жыл бұрын

They mean by power level, as how strong something is from 1 to 10

@jeanbarque9918

3 жыл бұрын

@@rend7979 oh, ok, thanks, i ll listen again to integrate what he said with the meaning. Thank's again 🙂

blasphemous act doesnt win you the game? toralf would like a word with you

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll fight Toralf right now!

@morgoth2425

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds you'd be dead from blasphemous act

@morgoth2425

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds * laughs in hand full of red board wipes *

Tutors ugh makes me vomit