What do you guys think about the Tekken battle pass? Also quick update now that the battle pass is out, apparently the vast majority of the items are reused from tekken 7, so they are literally reselling tekken 7 content in the battle pass.

@Protha4

2 ай бұрын

Very yummy

@paytonturner1421

2 ай бұрын

There is tough love and there are downright awful people like these villains. I think it's good for them to take risks and see how the fan base will react to the new features. But on the new battle pass I think we should buy stuff in that battle pass with fight money that we earned in the game. I don't know how to get the currency for the Tekken 8 store and I'm not going to spend money on it.

@josepartida1711

2 ай бұрын

i won't be participating in battle pass, i don't care about cosmetics nor loot boxes but for those that fall victim to this shit....spend your money elsewhere and have patience, you don't need the new characters right away

@paytonturner1421

2 ай бұрын

@@josepartida1711 I agree that this game should not need a battle pass. Also if they give us Lucky Chloe for DLC I'm skipping it.

@josepartida1711

2 ай бұрын

@@paytonturner1421 lol good on you personally i want bob back....but if he were to come back i'll even wait. i'm too busy learning characters i never considered using in the past. i'm taking this game more seriously than 7

Now you know why they went after modders. It’s all about the almighty dollar.

@xxxxSubZeroxxxx20

2 ай бұрын

Cause that’s not what they make the game for right it’s to not make money !!!!!! Do u go to work for free just asking

@Salvatorez1980

Ай бұрын

Tfw modders put more love into the game without getting compensated

@JustSendMeLocation

Ай бұрын

@@xxxxSubZeroxxxx20are you stupid or dumb? these companies make way more profit now than they ever did back in the past yet older games had way more content and were priced less, now we pay $70 for a game with paywalls blocking content, the real reason companies have gotten greedy to this extent is because people like you justify it and pay for it even though it doesn’t benefit you and only harms you and the rest of us gamers, btw I’ve seen you commenting under everyone’s videos regarding this and you need to seriously get a life.

@blujay1294

Ай бұрын

@@xxxxSubZeroxxxx20 No, that's why I bought the game, at full retail, AAA value. :) For a full game lmfao.

@Phoenix-ff4le

Ай бұрын

@@xxxxSubZeroxxxx20Yea i guess the $70 wasn’t enough for a tekken 7 asset flip.

It's gross and disgusting that a 70$ game (almost double that for ultimated edition) has the monetization of a free to play game.

@GIZREED

2 ай бұрын

What about cod a game that releases every year for 70 dollars and has 30 dollar battle passes every 2 months with 100 different 20 dollar skins. I see less people complain about Cod than Tekken tho. Fighting game players love to complain about EVERYTHING.

@uhhhhhhhhh333

2 ай бұрын

@@GIZREEDcod players are monkeys and ow another fps game did the same thing and people were mad but at least ow became ftp

@phaus5815

2 ай бұрын

Let me tell you something, I genuinely thought like you, although one day I simply understood, after not finding a game for like 10 minutes, that fighting games are not that popular really for them to survive today, they must do everything possible to monetize , and whether you like it or not, a video game is nothing more than a business at the end of the day

@JJ-th5cg

2 ай бұрын

@@GIZREED are you damaged? Why should the Tekken community complain about Call of Duty? Everyone that buys that crap is lost anyway so why should we complain about the most obvious stuff? Namco Bot.

@levisamom5069

2 ай бұрын

Uv heard enough from the anti consumer side of the argument so let's go for the positive and beneficial route shall we A game that is supposed to be sustained and supported with content for like a decade afterwards needs money for that... On top of that consider tournaments... Prize money, venues, and people trying to make a living from it Out of all the micro transaction forms the battle pass has been the most sustainable one... Just look at how it skyrocketed mobas into the most lucrative esport in the world And u know the best part about the battle pass is... If u don't want to buy it u don't have to... All it's offering is cosmetics, fluffy unnecessary to the core game... If they can earn their money from people willing to spend it then imagine we can get the shit that actually matters for free like free DLC characters and stages

Greed is killing the gaming industry and it has been for over a decade now. I dont see gaming being a viable hobby anymore in like the next 10 years because of companies ruining games like this.

@adviktoriam6092

Ай бұрын

*Capitalism is killing the gaming industry

@HCWz-_-Over9000

Ай бұрын

Omg shut up. It does not ruin the gameplay itself🤦‍♂️

@edmundblackadder2741

Ай бұрын

Baldurs Gate 3 director said it is this greed what is killing the AAA market and why their are so many layoffs

@slowmojo9355

Ай бұрын

​@@edmundblackadder2741well if that's true what your saying, than this video game companies better figure out what to do or they will go out of business.....but i really much doubted😂😂..

@TheFivegoodemperors

Ай бұрын

@@HCWz-_-Over9000actually it does. Leaving out a staple legacy character that has been in Tekken since 1998 to sell a battle-pass effects gameplay, it effects the community and makes people feel a way about it. Street fighter is doing the same with Bison. Holding fan favorites hostage to monetize them (because people will pay and thank them for it) is scummy and does affect gameplay.

Feels so gross that a 70$ game is still trying to sell to me every time I open it

I couldn’t believe how bare bones customization was at release. Now it all makes sense. So gross. I love tekken, sad to see this

@thato8000

Ай бұрын

The customization in T8 is actually the best of any game in the current FGC at launch in my op. As for this battle pass... tbh I'm excited to see where it goes

@KeithKillingly

Ай бұрын

@@thato8000 you obviously haven’t played tekken 7 or 6

@thato8000

Ай бұрын

@@KeithKillingly My bad, meant the current FGC games out rn. SF6, Mk, GGS

@YourXellency

Ай бұрын

@@thato8000 None of those games are known for their in-game customization. Battle Hub in SF6 does not count because you can't use TMNT skins in the base game.

@edmundblackadder2741

Ай бұрын

I guarantee all these cosmetic items were already made during development and are just in a vault to be sold later. There is no “development” cost for these items at all.

Michael Murray: "We're not tryna be predatory with our prices like our competitors Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat" Tekken 8: Battlepass with recycled T7 items, worth 600 coins but is only obtainable through a minimum of a $10 coin bundle unless you have leftovers, and worst of all EXPIRES and everything will be locked away just because most people have a life outside of Tekken

@slowmojo9355

Ай бұрын

Than just go on strike and don't play the game, easy piesy problem solve😂😂

@castformer17

Ай бұрын

​@@slowmojo9355Homie YOU need to stop playing the game and go back to school. Felt a stroke coming trying to decipher your comment.

@tristanherb49

Ай бұрын

everybody has a life outside of tekken

@Rhyds86

Ай бұрын

He actually said that??? Slimy roach.......

@isaacvampful

Ай бұрын

"No Tekken no life" I remember fighting that ghost in Tekken 5

One correction. EA was the vanguard for this shit, but they didnt dip a toe in, the did a cannonball.

@Boogard

2 ай бұрын

Lol absolutely

@loso2190

Ай бұрын

And epic games the pioneers

@via_negativa6183

Ай бұрын

Street fighter 6 basically has the exact same monetization.

@wander_plug1369

Ай бұрын

Wait till you see what GTA 6 has in store for you😢

@sinmavi

Ай бұрын

And 2k

Just FYI, in my country this game costs the equivalent to 22% of the minimum salary. This isn't cheap for foreigners.

@samseison

Ай бұрын

I hear you, man. we had a few economic issues come up that made our currency loose value against the dollar. And now, the base game costs 60% of my monthly income because of that. Luckily for me I got the game before things got too crazy.

@BlueLightningSky

Ай бұрын

I don't see how the poor salary of your country is their problem. Unless you want to argue for pricing which I'm all for. Those who make $100k a year pay $70, then those in the 70k pay $60 and so on.

@TFYS223

15 күн бұрын

​@@BlueLightningSkyOh shut up

Whats more disappointing to me is the amount of people that defended it.

@sumabich721

Ай бұрын

The worst is people that call others broke. Stockholm syndrome is real...

@AKTalal

Ай бұрын

@@sumabich721 fr

@Unh1n93d

Ай бұрын

It’s fucking crazy, I made a post on Reddit complaining and giving reasons as to what’s wrong with the battle pass, the first reply was “I’m gonna buy the battle pass everytime I see someone make a post complaining about the battle pass in a game” it’s like the higher ups made Reddit accounts just to spite and troll me

@lolamelanaGaming-dc4hk

Ай бұрын

​@@Unh1n93d but what if you just don't buy battle pass? you lose nothing.

@thehellslayer300

Ай бұрын

@@lolamelanaGaming-dc4hk just wait until they do it next time, you will lose something

-price went from $60 to $70 -some premium or deluxe version $100 -It sold a lot of copies -triple A studio produced It -$40 Ish for DLC -In game shop to nickle and Dime players But It needs even more money to pay It's workers and or support the game long-term? Don't anne frank me with the gas And don't Insult my Intelligence Geez Imagine If all your games In the library had these shitty practices You'd have to be a millionaire to enjoy all those games fully

mfw T7 cosmetics that was free with the game is now repurpose to leech out money from returning players and new players. L move, Bamco. Literally all the cosmetics in the battle pass came free with T7 ??? How gullible is Bamco think the player base is?

@beastmodebeta

Ай бұрын

Tekken 7 offered more quantity at the cost of quality. A lot of those assets looked ugly on a plethora of characters and went unused. You're getting HIGHER quality and lower quantity, sure. And now that they are providing you more, ( which means MORE WORK ON THEIR PARTS. ) youre complaining that you don't want to pay them for said work?

@JustSendMeLocation

Ай бұрын

@@beastmodebetawe already paid $70???? Dude go give all your money away if you want but they’ve made millions of dollars in profits already, clearly you haven’t played older Tekken games where they were LOADED with content and Tekken 6 had the best customisation, even if you pay for items in Tekken 8 the customisation is way inferior to Tekken 6 & 7, were getting charged more for way less and you’re the happiest man about it, embarrassing.

@beastmodebeta

Ай бұрын

@@JustSendMeLocation The only embarrassment is how you're slandering the work. Tekken 8's customization ( the dye channels especially) are way deeper than 7's ever could be. Secondly, those games were loaded because they were never going to go back and add more to the game given it costs extra money to do so. Money that they didnt expect to make. You're talking out of your ass right now, and it's amusing though. By all means, continue.

@biivii100

Ай бұрын

​@beastmodebeta But... tekken 7 funded tekken 8 without having microtransactions... It was purely sold copies and dlc characters that got us tekken 8..... Or am I wrong?

@biivii100

Ай бұрын

​@JustSendMeLocation You would think they would at least wait a couple Years before introducing something like this. They're acting like they're going bankrupt already and need money for the next 10 years RIGHT NOW.

Call of Tekken Modern ScamFare

People who argue that "you don't have to buy it" don't seem to get that the paid content was made in advance to all of this and could be a part of the base game, but is thrown behind a paywall. They literally argue for less content in their game

@sumabich721

Ай бұрын

They literally argue in favor of being abused. It's stockholm syndrome... "Why yes, I would like to pay $150 over the course of 2 years for content that could be free instead. Yes I am a moron"

@elfaranelasul6886

Ай бұрын

You don't have to buy it

@simonshura9144

Ай бұрын

​@@elfaranelasul6886u dont get it shut up 😂

@Justlookingaround19

Ай бұрын

The following battle passes are free after you purchase your first battle pass the battle pass you buy actually pays for it self.. you can complete it in like a week even if you don't play a lot. Maybe you won't get something you like in this battle pass but you could get something you like in the upcoming passes.

@michakoguciuk497

Ай бұрын

@@Justlookingaround19 You could get something you like without buying any battle passes if folks like you didn't simp for billion dollar companies. Just saying

Bought this game last week after my friend showed me it. Already have like 30 hours its my first tekken/fighting game and i love it so much. Felt really refreshing not seeing a ton of annoying microtransactions in a good game. Not even a week later we get this update...

@Boogard

2 ай бұрын

It's super Dissapointing

@zeronim1965

2 ай бұрын

That's a modern problem of gaming, lot's of games released as full price game, and then got an update for monetization. And this move made by two points: first, to not make gamers angry too fast, second to abuse age ratings systems. For me it was a shock than I seen that kind of monetization in Crash Team Racing Remake (Nitro Fueled).

At the rate Harada and his team are going... they'll have the fanbase at their throats before they even mention the dlc storyline way later on.

@yokiweyy4770

Ай бұрын

nah, i don't think so. fanboys are creaming their pants at the thought of having the old school costumes. this is the same company that charged money for frame data in T7, and people were ok with it. i see a sad future for fighting games, with SF6 doing the same shit. great games that i have a lot of fun playing, ruined by predatory monetization

@TFYS223

15 күн бұрын

​@@yokiweyy4770There has to be a way to make them pay for their predatory behavior

Bamco 1. Full 70 USD game price 👍 check. 2. Overpriced In-game cosmetics store 👍 check. 3. Seasonal Premium Fight Pass 👍 check. Tekken Community What about adding In-game anti-cheat software & rank demotion punishment for rage quitters? Bamco Harada: "Sit your ass down and don't ask me for Sh*t"

@beastmodebeta

2 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? They were literally banning people. Harada has had his team literally working to identify it and remove people as it's reported because they can't systems from playing the game. Only the accounts used to cause the issues.

@WhoseIdeawasthis

2 ай бұрын

​@@beastmodebeta not really, they are only banning the accounts, so if you get banned, you could literally make a new account and go on as if nothing happened.

@beastmodebeta

2 ай бұрын

@@WhoseIdeawasthis I just Said that. Literally. Apparently what I didn't say was that they couldn't BAN SYSTEMS. Either way, it's no different than something like League or OW. You'll have to get over that.

@WhoseIdeawasthis

2 ай бұрын

@@beastmodebeta still they could have just made a penalty system instead of this bs which was occurring since t6 btw.

@zeonav5194

2 ай бұрын

@@WhoseIdeawasthis You can make a new account in less than 10 minutes after getting banned by Bamco for cheating in Tekken 8 and after creating a new account you can start cheating all over. Only 50% of cheaters get caught by Bamco in the first place because their cheats monitoring system is Flawed.

Most of the big tekken creators will not say anything negative on this because they already get free and early access to things. So they will use their big platforms to convince people that the shop is not bad.

@thegodofearl

Ай бұрын

Yes yes I hate ass kissing yes men!

they knew what they were doing with this bs why do you think they dumbed down the customization in T8 you can’t even put separate clothes on an outfit 😂

All I’ll say is this - 2 million times $70. They don’t need anymore money. This leaves a sour taste in my mouth. They hyped this game up for a year just con us.

The sad part about this is that they focused on implementing this kind of stuff instead of fixing the major issues in the game like the rank points, internet connection issue and pluggers. Well, I always suspect that from the start, they are not capable on fixing those things because this game is rushed.

@Midoriisgay

2 ай бұрын

what r u on about. ur literally just waffling have u seen the update logs. u literally have multiple ways to expose and cancel a plugger / low connection

I never opened my wallet for the Tekken Shop, and I'm gonna stick being disciplined for the Battle pass as well. Though it's disappointing seeing several people already saying "I'm gonna support Bamco with this Battle pass." or "It's not as bad as other games, so I don't mind paying" ....sigh. It also feels like people might be afraid to criticize this more openly because Moonsault Slayer did that on twitter and he got blocked by both Harada and Murray (so even with people calling this out, I'm getting the sad feeling they're just gonna block, and it's gonna fall on deaf ears). Not to mention, microtransactions seems to be infesting fighting game genre nowadays. Street Fighter 6, Mortal Kombat 1, both as either a battle pass or egregious microtransactions system. And now, Tekken has joined the fold smh.

@edmundblackadder2741

Ай бұрын

I guarantee all these cosmetic items were already made during development and are just in a vault to be sold later. There is no “development” cost for these items at all.

Tekken 9 with 2 versions of the game: The G version with 16 characters and the Mishima version with the remaining 16 characters for only $80 for each game.

Its disgusting that people are defending namco because tekken 7 would of been the last game if it didn't succeed and because tekken 7 DID succeed then they were given a huge budget so Namco is fine. One of their youtube shorts is literally a bunch of light drones in the shape of Kazuya and Jin about to punch each other and then it turns into "Tekken 8 out now" not only that but there's the gold edition that needs you to pay 100 dollars so 10 people paying that edition is 1000 dollars so, Tekken is gonna b fine and the battle pass and the microtransactions needs to fuck off. Microtransactions are one of the reasons why mk1 died off like, fighting games need to realize they are fine. Don't get me started on how namco has a youtube account too

@sjue316

2 ай бұрын

MK 1 died off because they didn't fix anything, not because of microtransactions. Sure the microtransactions didn't help it any, but when the game isn't being fixed because it's actually broken. People aren't going to stick around. People will tolerate stuff they don't like if the game is good. Tekken 8 for the most part is a well designed fighting game. So the average person won't care about the microtransactions. If the game was broken like MK1 is, then you have a different story.

People need to stop making products their entire personality. Criticizing the product is like criticizing them.

Yep and the paid battle pass has items that were free in Tekken 7 like the plague doctor mask. I’m curious how much that group skin for all characters is gonna cost?.

@GIZREED

2 ай бұрын

I feel like this is the only legit complaint. Everything else is just circle jerking baby rage

@fearfaceace1990

Ай бұрын

4 bucks for males and 4 for females worth it imo

@davudisbarkhanli549

Ай бұрын

@@fearfaceace1990people like you are the reason companies scam customers with full price half baked games

In addition to all the points you made. "You don't have to buy it just ignore it" The existence of the BP alone evidently hinders the quality of the full price game itself to those who do not want to buy the battle pass: #1 They clearly held back on the customisation to save things for the BP. A lot of the stuff we see was freely given in t7. Steve doesn't have an option for boxing gloves...You can't mix the upper and lower parts of default costumes. Etc. 2. They prioritise leeching money which harms the game. People have been asking why there's no real repercussions for pluggers and cheaters (who even stream publicly). Why the disconnect ratio doesn't work. Why Polaris engine crashes mainly on AMD cards. Why reporting is VIA TWITTER (??) and so on. Radio silence/lies saying they're working on it or have done something. But when it comes to their battle pass, they immediately go out for people who display mods with ease...So you can see they prioritise leeching money over the health of the game. These are just SOME examples of issues that would likely have been avoided / resolved had there been no inclusion or existence of the battle pass which actively affects the entire player base even if they "just don't buy it". Also btw modders have had 0 warnings or a concrete statement on the company's standing on mods. They were fine with it in t7. Then they suddenly ban ppl in t8 with NO WARNING. Mind you that's also just a passionate community for your game with client side cosmetics that you're able to crackdown on and not the cheating / plugging streamers and whatever. Edit: ALSO all those deluxe additions,season passes and $100 bundles just for it to include ZERO mtx currency is insane. You're telling me someone who spent $100 is expected to spend even more on mtx and not have a bunch included in the bundle at least?

Remember Tekken mobile from 2017? How it contained microtransactions and loot boxes and was a grindy, pay to win game. They had to shut the game down because of the said features. And now Tekken 8 is going down the same path that Tekken Mobile once went. EDIT: Also, they are reusing the same assets from Tekken mobile for Tekken 8 Tekken shop coins.

Glad someone finally said it

You know actually it won't surprise me at the rate they're going if games eventually go the Adobe Cloud route and eliminate a perpetual option to own the game replacing it with a subscription model. We must not let this ever stand though.

@sjue316

2 ай бұрын

You already don't own the game according to the EULA agreement.

@Silky_Smooth91

2 ай бұрын

Are you talking about the Microsoft Game Pass? Because that has been a thing for a while now.

Watch the battle pass cosmetics being tekken 7 recycled trash 😭😭

the pirates will always save the day for the weak, but not for console players

I got caught in the hype and bought tekken, and after all those decisions of mtx and battle pass I regret that I bought the game, I despise battle passes

I was gonna buy this game on sale but then they started started adding the microtransactions and it really demotivated me. There are f2p games without battlepasses that give you more value and content. On top of Bamco being super greedy there is still the problem with pluggers. The rankeds are broken and people literally abuse that fact to NOT lose points after losing. A so called AAA game having such a gamebreaking bug in the game for over THREE MONTHS (it was also a thing in T7 according to many players) is ridiculous. They want to sell characters, Vbucks and Fortnite battle passes inside a quite expensive already game while they can't even deliver a polished product. All the game needs is having a risk of being permabanned for no reason and no customer support and we have another Overwatch 2 but at least Overwatch 2 is now free to play so that's actually even worse. And as you said there's too many people who are EVEN OKAY with this because "it's just skins and you don't have to buy it" - that's how games are becoming worse. Blizzard is the best example of this. The developers can simply NOT try if they realise the players are okay with getting fucked with microtransactions.

Important to keep in mind: even if a 1000 people worldwide cave and get the battlepass, that is ENOUGH for them to justify continuing it, because realistically the cost of implementing this battlepass is not too much, same with the tekken store. If a 100 people worldwide grab a costume, that, at the very worst, makes even on the tiny investment. Voting with your wallet is not enough because at the end of the day, this will see profits to the company no matter what, and as long as it gains them, they do not give a shit about anything else.

The only way I would get to battle pass is if it's 50%(at least) new content and there's no timer to unlocking it, ie helldivers 2

Another scummy aspect they pulled is the season pass scenario. If you look on the steam store, you'd need the deluxe edition for the season pass (atm prior to eddy gordo's release). Which if you bought the base game for $70, the deluxe edition upgrade pack is $40, which in that scenario is $10 more total that just buying the $100 deluxe edition straight up.

I think the argument about the pricing and other monetization are two different issues that stem from the same place. Games are too expensive to make now, production costs have ballooned and the expectation of what you get for $70 is rather high. Oddly videogames haven't gone up much given that the cost to make them has, I got into buying games on the playstation and I can remember distinctly games being $50 on the PS2. That is only a $20 increase and there were games priced much steeper than $50 supposedly on the N64 from what I have read elsewhere. I have come to accept that DLC like character passes are largely just the modern version of expansion packs which was a business model that allowed for continuing to tap into the same player base that purchased the original product. Personally I wish things could just be purchasable if they are going to include microtransactions rather than having battle passes or loot boxes. I also wouldn't mind a reduction in production values to save on cost which could allow for games to be made quicker but I don't think the industry can head in that direction. Instead solutions like AI generated assets are the solution a lot of industries are looking at to reduce cost. The other alternative would be a subscription model, maybe where you buy the game at a reduced price and pay monthly for online or some access to specific features and bonuses but I don't know if that would go over well. While I understand the logic of saying Bandai doesn't need to make any additional profit, unfortunately publicly traded companies need to show increased profits every year. So rather than greenlight a different game they make a fighting game and choose to add these additional sources of on going revenue otherwise they would be better off jumping to a different product where they can continue to make money. I think all big budget fighting games have become the live service model because it is a way to justify the production of such a niche product over making some other AAA game that is a more "safe" choice. ]

@burni988

Ай бұрын

Love this insight and different perspective on the topic. I agree with a lot of what you say, but I also think that companies are making way more money than they need and they are using a lot of predatory tactics. I think some of what they're doing is justified but not to the level or in the way that they're doing it.

Thank you for actually having some common sense. These are valid criticisms that should be discussed. If people want to buy it that's cool but don't pretend like it's not scummy or worth calling out and discussing. The fact that some people are actually jumping to defend this billion dollar company is insane. This is why things have gotten so bad.

Honestly I liked the idea of being able to get loot boxes for free in games, and not the battle pass motto. Hear me out on this. With loot boxes, you at least know the stuff inside it is going to be in the game forever and there's no time limit to get them except for a few exceptions(Destiny 2), but with games like Overwatch, Black Ops 3 and stuff like that, you at least know the shit will stay in the game and even if you don't get it there's no stress in playing constantly if you get burnt out. With battle passes, it EXPECTS you to drop everything and play constantly to work through every rank to get every single piece of loot. Run out of time, you lose it and you'll never ever get the chance again. Even if you feel burnt out, you still have to drag yourself to play the game to earn everything to not miss out. Turning the game from a game to a job. And if you slack off, all that stuff would be taken away. It makes me not want to get Tekken 8 now because of this bullshit. I hate battle passes in games. I understand the practice in free games. Not 70 dollar titles.

@hurricane7727

Ай бұрын

In a Way Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is better because it has no fomo and the Custom Items need to be unlocked but there is no rush to obtain the items since they will always be there.

i was willing to overlook the tekken shop (even though the pricing structure is obviously predatory) because i didn't see too big a problem with letting people pay for all their skins if they want.. but a battle pass as well? i just don't see the point other than shareholder profits. if this battle pass is just "temporary" customization stuff then there's no reason that can't be done through the shop. and, yeah bandai-namco please just let us have exact amounts of in-game currency for our real money. mf's have to get like $25 worth of tekken coins to not have extra leftover. good thing i'm a cheapskate and won't spend any money on any of this 😂

I'm from Spain and I have to say that apart from the $70 (which in the euro would be 65, 70€ but it costs us 80€ "85,70$" ) it seems like an abuse that there are more than 20 characters missing and also a ridiculous battle pass

If you think this is bad, check what they have been doing in SF6 (specially for the premium pass buyers like me) till today man. That game is the closest thing to a legal fraud. I'm glad more and more people and streamers are addressing this huge issue.

@newphonewhodis7152

Ай бұрын

What do u mean?

Another issue I have with the battlepass is how bare it is. There's like maybe 3 or 4 things I would kinda want but it doesn't justify getting it at all. If you pay for the premium you get a bunch of stuff that you'll just pretty much never use. Like for example I will most likely never touch Azucena, Leroy, and Shaheen, so I don't care for those character art panels like at least give us a custom illustration for every character or maybe some of our own choosing. Not to mention the nearly worthless tekken ball skins, the titles/title plates, and avatar customizations. If bandai namco is gonna be scummy with their practices at least make it kind of worth it? I honestly don't understand it. At least the tekken shop has stuff people would maybe want like legacy skins but even charging for those is super scummy.

You're getting easy rank with 3-day-early chars that people can't even lab if they don't buy them. You get chars that nobody knows how to play against and just win easily. It's basically pay 2 win

@DraconasTenZHG

Ай бұрын

Oh yea you got a point. It's p2w if you can't even lab the blocked characters. There should be possibility to play them AT LEAST in the lab. It's enough to keep the game fair but doesn't give the player enough fun.

I'm starting to think that Bandai Namco is taking cues from EA and Bethesda and to be greedy.

@GIZREED

2 ай бұрын

And Activision and Ubisoft and Capcom and literally every other dev these days. Y'all are acting like 85% of games these days don't have mtx. I don't understand why people are crying so much, it's been the norm for years now 🤦🏿‍♂️

@paytonturner1421

2 ай бұрын

@@GIZREED I think people are tired of companies trying to milk us for all of our money and not being satisfied.

@zeronim1965

2 ай бұрын

@@GIZREED Because it's not norm. Even if 85% of "games" got it. It's like talking about cancer, y, many ppl got it, but still it's not a normal condition. This is a bs of practice that must be stopped.

@GIZREED

2 ай бұрын

@@zeronim1965 if 85% got it that means it's normal. That's basically 9 out of 10. If I said 15% you'd be right. Just because it's normal doesn't make it good tho.

@zeronim1965

Ай бұрын

​@@GIZREED mb we got different mentality or this is a language barrier (i'm russian), but if you have 9 out of 10 people downed by virus it isnt normal, it's an epidemy. And epidemy need a cure, or it'll be too late to help them. And in case of games we talking about all industry in it's core, just check games of last 10 years. It's bs in stage of development, and as games they doesn't entertain anymore, and looks more like second work...

they took this one right out of the DOA6 manual. Full price 60 euro game, with ingame currency and LOADS of amounts of customization dlc, with much less customization options in the initial release than even Tekken 8. And of course it died pretty fast.

The reason for raising the prices of games becomes moot when they add in all of this

The scummiest thing is making so that the cheapest "Tekken Coin" pack is not sufficient to afford the battlepass, forcing anyone interest to have leftover currency. This is one game I've not purchased the season pass and surely won't buy the battlepass

In general, battle passes and microtransactions should be made illegal. The profit motive should be banned because every time it is shown that you can’t cure the insatiable hunger for profit by shareholders.

The free to play games at least have their characters earnable in game by playing. But Tekken cost 70€ AND then you have to pay for new characters while still having battlepass and MTX shop. It really is the worst of both worlds🤦🤦🤦. F Harada and bandai namco

@thehellslayer300

Ай бұрын

i doubt harada is responsible for this, i think this came from the higher ups

@christianbouchard8541

Ай бұрын

​@@thehellslayer300 Harada probably approved of it and when people talked to him about it, plus the rampant banning of modders and the concerns with pluggers and cheaters, he automatically blocks them.

Bandai Namco need those extra cash after they failed to scam their consumers with JJK Cursed Clash

@thehellslayer300

Ай бұрын

and naruto x boruto connections

Can someone who purchases battle pass have an advantage who doesn’t. Does it improve character traits I don’t think it does.

@thehellslayer300

Ай бұрын

no, but still is scummy

So if you don’t play on line you won’t get everything?

I have the deluxe edition to play eddy early but it's not letting me unlock him at all, I've done everything to unlock him and he's still not unlocked

What is the song in the beginning?

I think it's also important to mention the extremely scummy way of getting these microtransactions. you can either get the 500 tekken coins or the 1000 tekken coins pack... and the battle pass costs 600 coins are you actually kidding me? Let's also not forget, that by paying 950 v bucks for a fortnite battle pass, you can earn back that amount + like an extra 500 or something. In the tekken 8 fighters pass, you can only unlock up to 600, which is exactly the amount of the next pass.

Somebody i know believes that they did this to save face to their investors because of 3 colossal failures jujutsu Kaisen Cursed Clash, Naruto to boruto conexions and blue protocol, the later is an mmo that was made in partnership with Amazon and everything indicated is gonna be a massive failure and has had a bad reception, so because of that they are making tekken players pay for they fucking up, this might explain why the pass is garbage because is rushed

its 600 tekken coins for the battlepass, u cant even buy that exact amount another psychological marketing strategy

@DraconasTenZHG

Ай бұрын

This is something F tier MMOs do and I would never expect it in Tekken.

not to mention Bamco already sells DLC characters and stuff to make money that was enough to keep T7 afloat for like 10 years

For full price game is they need in game purchase it is fine IF 1. The premium in-game Currency have some way to be earn by F2P method. (Daily mission ETC) 2. The Battle pass is cheap something like 3. Paying wall exclusive items are something that really worth. ( Alternative Rage Art / Licensed cosmetic [Buster sword, Sharingan, Mickey's ears]/ Very Special Item move something like Lili penguins in T6 is what, by my standard is justified ) go a head, charge us 20 - 30 for these hard processed items IDC. Under these 3 points, they can greed for any more profit they want. They can make us pay as long as it's reasonable.

Best way to communicate is with our wallets. As scummy as what Bamco is doing, the consumers buying these passes and mtx's are further incentivizing them to keep implementing these awful business models that progressively become more predatory.

@newphonewhodis7152

Ай бұрын

This never worked tho

@justthescoop1576

Ай бұрын

@@newphonewhodis7152 and because of that, shits going to get worse

I don't regret buying this day 1, but after this I'm very disappointed in Bamco/Tekken team. I hated SF6 and MK1 had it day 1, but adding microtransactions later on is so scummy. Its like the Crash Nitro Racing again were reviews gave it high numbers then later on they added a shop. Even though I'm not a pro in these games but I admire that KOF15 and GG Strive were the first "next gen" fighters that never went this route. Just hope Fatal Fury won't go to the dark side. You already made the sale, why need more money if its not adding characters?

I’m just confused what’s the difference between this and street fighter 6’s battle pass? I’m not invested in sf6 so i could be wrong on how it works.

Do you earn enough Tekken coins in the pass to buy the next pass or is it shitty like Diablo 4 where you earn shy of the amount needed thus having to spend money

@sumabich721

Ай бұрын

No you earn about 600 coins. Just enough for a single skin. You need 1000 for the next pass. And you can't buy 400 coins, you can at minimum buy 500 coins. So you have to pay another 5$ for the next pass.

@edmundblackadder2741

Ай бұрын

@@sumabich721 but this pass was 600 coins? Why is the next pass 1000?

@thehellslayer300

Ай бұрын

@@edmundblackadder2741 you know exactly why

I was a little hesitant with the tekken shop but a battlepass on top of that is just scummy

Typical Bandai Namco. Look at Tales of Arise, great RPG, might even be my fav tales game but DLC monetization was atrocious. Now Tekken 8 just follows the trend. And pplz complained about SF6, now they were proven you can do worse.

That is why piracy and black market are on the rise, i feel bad for ppl that paid full price this game. I bought this game for $20 on xbox thank to the bm. Vote with your wallet gentleman.

@simonshura9144

Ай бұрын

As if a monthly slightly cheaper paid subscription is a better deal lol 😂 deluded

If there was a way to earn the coins by just playing, and the pass wasnt time limited Fomo. It wouldn't be nearly as much a problem. But unfortunately, it is neither.

Tekken 8 has sold over 2 million copies worldwide, since its launch in January, outpacing both Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 7. lets say after fees they get 40$ per copy sold that means that they made 80 mil even before the first dlc comes out and if iam not wrong it took 10$-20$ mil to make tekken 7 and tekken 8 was almost 3x as expensive so they made already profit

@DraconasTenZHG

Ай бұрын

And it's only been around 3 months.

Yeah, im glad i learned my mistake from buying SF6 $100. They robbed me of content that i paid for. (Fighter coins) What's up with these SF/Tekken corporate greed? Ridiculous.

If I could gift you flowers I would. You are bringing up the exact points which rubbed me the wrong way about all of this. I hope we can get this message out there because from what I have seen so far most people are unaware of the circumstances of Tekken 8 as a whole and that is usually the culprit as to why this sentiment of "oh if it gives you no advantage then don't buy it" or "Who really cares?" Almost feels like self sabotage at times. The priorities of Bandai Namco and or the Tekken team in this regard (who really is to blame is unknown as of writing this) are backwards, as issues that really need to be discussed aren't being discussed.

Nothing in the shop is worth buying including the battle pass, it makes me roll my eyes but its easy to avoid and it hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the game.

Every game does this shit. They coat their game in these pop-up, nasty ass, unimmersive dlc/battle pass features. So any new player comes in, and has to click through 3-4 minutes of "Hey, 7 months ago we released this 3 item cosmeticdlc pack for 2 underplayed characters, buy it for 14.99!$", "Try our new battle pass! here's 20 Sminglefucks that get you 2.5 tiers, and for your first free tier you get one Spray!!!! We added them 2 months after launch!!!", "Did you know we JUST released Walter White, from The Breaking Bad????? (this was a year ago)". Et cetera. Until the game looks like a bugged to fuck GMOD lobby. It's so beyond fucking frustrating. At this point I'd be willing to accept paying 1.25, 1 1/2 x market value at this point, if it means I get a complete game, and one that doesn't turn into a gaming equivalent fucking city bus stop that have the ad walls on all 4 sides. And boy oh boy, I can't wait to see what shitty crossover characters they mash into this game, to completely rip you out of any vested interest beyond it being a system of mechanics. May as well just show us two lines of frame data, and we just have to play rock paper scissors flashing them like it's a training mode display, while they can throw some nice banner ads around it. Ignoring the obvious 10+ years of dlc characters being a.) horribly balanced b.) horribly implemented designs/visuals or usually c.) both!, it just immediately takes me out of being invested. Like smash gets away with it cause it's their entire design, but it sucks to have a game take itself semi-seriously, have a neat atmosphere that gets me more hyped than most other games, and then I see a waxy ass gollum and The Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz looking crossbreed of Sheldon From The Big Bang Theory! or some shit that they released season 2 or some shit so the die hard and/or competitive players are already rooted in deep. God, I'm tired of shareholders sticking their shit covered fingers into the puppeteered husks of whatever Creative Director or what have you. Even indie games are falling to this stuff at this point. I don't want to sail the digital seas but it looks like that might be my future out of protest lmfao.

I do have to wonder who was the person who called for adding this level of monetization in this game. I feel Harada is one of the people who fight hard in support for this series for player agency. So seeing it go down this route feels like there's someone else egging him on to add this shit otherwise they'll cut off a certain level of support. Though I don't know all the details behind it. Also, this is the first Tekken game I've really been into hardcore since Tag Tournament so I don't know all the details of how bad it was in 7 overall. If someone has the details to enlighten me on that front, I welcome it.

What really pissed me off is I bought the special edition so I could have the DLC as it came out. I paid extra money on the game, but they couldn't have tossed in a premium ticket for the battlepass they never mentioned before this point? If they had been upfront about what they were doing with the game I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

Fully agree with you, this is bullshit I have played tekken since I was a 5 year old child and now they're doing dumb shit like this?? crazy.

This is definitely a corporate/higher ups decision. I don't blame Harada for this.

Gamers went wrong when they allowed these companies to charge to play online. It all went downhill from there

What’s the first song in the background?

@Boogard

Ай бұрын

Blossom haze sonic mania

@ifherbowasntg548

Ай бұрын

@@BoogardSry it was actually the second song I was looking for? 😭

@Boogard

Ай бұрын

@@ifherbowasntg548 stardust speedway act 1 sonic mania

Harada will only get my money if they release marduk and armor king, thats it

@hurricane7727

2 ай бұрын

They used to be Base Roster Characters in Tekken Tag 2 and 6.

@emswonkenoon9104

2 ай бұрын

@@hurricane7727 I know.. they have been pretty smart when it comes to milk the community but this is the only extra buck I would invest in this game . Truth is the game has something that does not convince me completely , I am not enjoying this game as previous releases such as Tekken 7 or TTT2 . Oh well ..

The whole thing with this new system is that you cannot own every piece of content the game has to offer unless you drop ungodly amounts of money. If you’re paying $70 for a game I believe you should have access to all the content it has to offer and pay for a pass for DLC characters

I left street fighter 6 for tekken 8 Specifically because they didnt have microtransactions and a battlepass system, and than a couple months later, oh no they have microtransations and a battlepass system. All I want is a new fighting game without these systems to try to rip as much money from you as possible

This video needs to be seen by everyone

@shamanochoa8605

Ай бұрын

Hopefully it blows up

@namito3958

Ай бұрын

@@shamanochoa8605 fr fr

It’s why I love guilty gear there is no I’m game currency so everything is bought directly, on top of this you can get the season pass to get everything cheaper overall or you can get stuff separately and they even removed the early access for new character

We need regulation that mandates game companies have to reveal if they plan to add monetization post launch of a paid game. They've proven NONE of them can be trusted without any policing.

At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if Tekken 8 were actually the sequel to Tekken Revolution. At least that was free to play…

@CosmicVoid420

Ай бұрын

Tekken Revolution could of been a great game. All they had to do is remove the power, endurance and vigor thing.

@Alex7258_

Ай бұрын

@@CosmicVoid420 True that.

even if it genuinely wasn't their intent (which i doubt), it's hard not to think they purposely gutted the customization just so they could force you to get the battlepass if you wanted more customization options

They are always moving the goal post, with how greedy the Publisher gets. In this case Bandai Namco. We were told before, that selling character passes is whats keeps the game alive. Which for me was fair enough. They would release a season pass with 4-5 characters for 29.99$, that also included new stages and costumes. Plus you could always buy it later at a decent discount. They made so much money on Tekken 7 and it's DLC. But now that the new game is selling better and faster than the previous one. They are suddenly out of cash to support it. And thanks to the Online Shop and Battle Pass, you will never be able to buy a complete edition of the game. I usually buy a fighting game a year or two down the line, when it's at least 50% off on sale, and comes with a lot of costumes and DLC fighters. But with the current model, they can never release a complete complete edition, and always force you to buy skins from their store. With no discount. Also if i remember correctly, if they sell something from "Inside the game", they don't have to share that profit with Steam. Tho i might be wrong on that. It's really too bad, as i really enjoy Tekken, and actually wanted to pay full price for it this time around. At worst waiting for a 20% discount. But yea, as it is now, i will just skip it, and buy it dirt cheap, when no one is interested in it anymore. Guess that's the only way to get a complete product these days!. In the end, you can't win with the greedy nature of humanity. Tekken 8 could go belly up, as players would reject the MTX. Then we would get a long period of the brand being off the gaming market. After say 5 years they would reboot the series. Start slow with rebuilding the trust of the customers/community. Just so we can eventually arrive at the same end point of ultra monetized content in gaming. Or any business venture for that matter. Capcom is a superb example of this. A studio that almost went under in 2013. Do to poor financial decisions, like chasing the Call Of Duty money, and making bad games because of that. To a renesans era of good games, that are now being milked dry by MTX.

8:02 I’ve now become one of the 9% of people subscribed and I completely agree with you as well. If people just simply avert their eyes to this scummy tactic, nothing is going to get better, only worse.

I'm 45yo and an old school player. I used to play Street Fighter 1 on my childhood. Because of this game as a service trend that I don't support for full priced games. Fighting games are dead for me right now. At least until they finish their productive cycle and then sell the complete game with DLCs/Seasons for a fraction of the price. I'm sick of greedy companies, but not as much as current players that support modern monetary system. It's ok if you don't agree with me. But If you feel like commenting against it, please include your age.

Unpopular op, but looking forward to what the bp has in future. Love or hate when T8 is truly out of honeymoon phase it'll be a part of what keeps the game alive. I'm talking year 3+. Just make the items in Tekken shop purchasable with in game earnable currency and i think it would be perfect

@thehellslayer300

Ай бұрын

Good luck with that

@thato8000

Ай бұрын

@@thehellslayer300 Arigato my friend, child even

Greediness with no effort is the biggest issue. If the fight pass had brand new items that were cool and unique customization for characters that would be ok. But just giving tekken 7 items and a few new items and a blank ball. It is just so lazy and unforgivable

Iam afraid they add lootboxes to get the items u missed out of the expired season passes. Why else would the current items have different rarities (items out the shop/pass have rarities like "common" etc. But its stars from 1 to 5)

This breaks my heart. I got Tekken 7 a few months before 8 came out, and I was really interested in 8, but seeing this has convinced me to stay with Tekken 7. Sad to see

What confuses me is the people who defend this crap, do Namco pay your salary? we’re getting charged way more money for way less content and you idiots are justifying it? no wonder gaming companies have gotten so greedy when fools are willing to spend all their money on anything they release, the state of gaming today is so sad.

i don’t disagree 100% but i think for people who only and only play the game it is a good feature still, i don’t know if like other battle passes this one finances itself when you complete it (like Apex for example) but majority of the playerbase will play the game for a long time and therefore it will help keeping the game spicy but that is only if the pass has currency that pays the price you paid back that’s how battle passes usually work

I didnt like the tekken shop, but i was like fine whatever and let it pass, but i hate battlepasses so much. Seems like namco forgot to make this game free to play

For me, who bought the collecters edition, its very disgusting. I paid 280€, yea i have inclusive the collecter stuff like the jin figure and other souvenirs. First when the tekken shop came i was like "thats okay, you dont have to buy something" But the fight pass is a level up. If they are bringing a premium fight pass section i will not buy it. Maybe if its a legacy costume i realy want, like the t3 yoshimitsu. Then maybe i buy it (ps5 player, i cant use mods)

This is my first Tekken game. I instantly fell in love. I wished Eddie was base game after seeing him in a video of an older Tekken. Seeing him added was super cool, and I bought him. I play smash so I was used to dlc characters. But the battle pass is such a pain to see, I love this game and am thinking about it near constantly but I haven’t and likely won’t buy the pass. Not only bc it’s scummy but because I don’t like most of the paid items and the ones I do like are free. It is such a shame to see bamco working on a battle pass instead of fixing issues like plugging

@hurricane7727

Ай бұрын

Eddy has been in the Base Roster in Every other Tekken since his Debut in Tekken 3.