Not even NRS banned modders, feels like all that praise that we gave Namco is about to be shoved right back in our faces.

@yelowninja

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but capcom did

@ReplacedByTheEU

3 ай бұрын

Mods arent something they need to allow.

@omegadeepblue1407

3 ай бұрын

@@ReplacedByTheEU why?, mods are just cosmetics

@ReplacedByTheEU

3 ай бұрын

@omegadeepblue1407 because they 1. Don't want to see their characters used in a certain way. Nude mods, body changing etc. 2. They are selling cosmetics now.

@shadowofthenorthstar989

3 ай бұрын

That's why u don't glaze companies

I believe it’s because there was a modder that had Jun’s original outfit before the tekken shop dropped. So I think Namco sees modding as way of people getting stuff for free from the tekken shop. Kinda scummy of them tbh.

@kintsuki99

3 ай бұрын

Tekken shop should not exist or just use ingame currency.

@brianwhite284

3 ай бұрын

Microtransaction should have never existed in the first place.

@JohnSmith-yn9ju

3 ай бұрын

@@kintsuki99 agreed

@MidKnighter

3 ай бұрын

Nah they are striking YT channels and modders for any costumes. Even if they are not from Tekken games.

@ren8283

3 ай бұрын

Really scummy considering how they waited for the game to be rated positive and then dropped the tekken shop after that

The cracks are starting to form. The honeymoon phase is over and the game’s flaws are starting to become more apparent, which can be said about any new game that comes out. Overall I think Tekken 8 is good despite its issues, but I can see how certain mechanics in the game and how Bandai Namco is handling some things so far are turning people off.

@yelowninja

3 ай бұрын

Happened with tekken7, you like it you stay,you dont like it you leave! Bamco doesnt build the game for arslan ash,they build it for everyone

@elishanana4469

3 ай бұрын

I really dislike the new mechanics especially the Heat mechanics it’s really annoying tbh played tekken 7 and tekken 8 is very different from it

@Honest_Mids_Masher

3 ай бұрын

​@@elishanana4469Of course it's gonna be different, would you prefer if they just released the same game like how it is in COD?

@yellowscarlightningscream8347

3 ай бұрын

I am very happy for heat ..... This was definitely needed to balance the matchup..... But there are moves that need nerf in heat​@@elishanana4469

@degrerickjenkins1617

3 ай бұрын

@@Honest_Mids_Masher cod seems to be doing well

Cheaters who do things like putting on auto block, lag switching or slowing the game down via other methods, they should be banned. Pluggers should just lose their points, and the points should go to their opponents who were plugged on. Let's keep it simple.

@princezeref4237

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for saying this because I've played against three pc players that would slow down the game making it lag. Not allowing me to fight at all and would just keep attacking my character repeatedly to get quick wins.

@d.ink3d

3 ай бұрын

You muste be such s weak-minded person to use cheats or lag switch in fighting games, like even if you win you know it wasnt cause youre good. How is that fun, I rather lose legit then use cheats or shit.

@alekid

3 ай бұрын

Happened to me several times. I didn't know why it would be so laggy when the connection was supposed to be alright. Next time it happens I will report those cheaters.

@manolocox1

3 ай бұрын

Totally agreed

@ElSandwich777

3 ай бұрын

Nah man full bans for all offenders. Full IP. It’s the only way they’ll learn.

Haradas logic for Tekken 8 makes no sense . He claimed they wanted agression because of players timing out in evo . Then he turns around and says he doesn’t make the game for the pros , he makes it for the casuals. But he made the whole aggressive push after watching the pros! 😂😂 make it make sense man.

@aymnno6734

3 ай бұрын

He wants the game to look appealing and exciting to people who dont play it

@benshadbolt1465

3 ай бұрын

There's no logic to Harada's theory.

@xelic1996

3 ай бұрын

The aggressive push is for the people WATCHING the pros, not the pros.

@RTU130

3 ай бұрын

yea

@Kabra2012

3 ай бұрын

My view on it - the pros had a huge influence on how the player base enjoyed the game. The overly-safe style of the pros became the face of the game, and the face of the game looked boring af to ppl who weren't already on the Ranked train.

Im not even shocked by any of this tbf. If you recall, a few years ago Murray made that stupid "JUST BLOCK THE HELLSWEEP" tweet when they gave them more tracking for a week. After we knew he would have a bigger role in Tekken 8s development, it became clear what his idea of Tekken should be. JUST GUESS RIGHT LOL.

@raptorate2872

3 ай бұрын

uhhh, tekken has always come down to just guess right for most of the playerbase (not talking about pro level). Its like the very core of RPS style approach which fighting games have utilized for years. Like this isn't some damn revelation.

@kylethomas8655

3 ай бұрын

@@raptorate2872 YOU SAID IT RIGHT...MOST PPL JUST GUESS, AND NOW ITS EVOLVED THAT THE PROS HAVE TO GUESS MORE AND THATS WHY THEYRE PISSED. IT CLOSES THE GAP ON A GAP THAT HAS A MASSIVE GAP BETWEEN ROOKIE AND PRO

@AirLancer

3 ай бұрын

@@raptorate2872 Pro level? Just being decent at Tekken at all means you're going to be using strategies to minimize risk and deal with offensive options more effectively.

@yoloswaggerson1970

3 ай бұрын

@@raptorate2872 the fact that most casuals play braindead doesn't excuse taking out the depth of the game at all. I was never higher than fujin in T7 with multiple characters but I enjoyed the fact that the game allowed me to play defensively and it was a viable option, especially if I didn't know the matchup. i'd much rather fail 8 sidesteps out of 10 because I am bad and I need to improve than not have a sidestep as a viable option at all and eat the RPS

@raptorate2872

3 ай бұрын

@@yoloswaggerson1970 git gud i guess

Tekken honeymoon fell when peak mk1 frustration was going on. Now the honeymoon phase is over and the frustrations are across all games. Fighting games as a whole needs to do better

@JennyTheNerdBat

3 ай бұрын

Fighting games are doing great now, the post-honeymoon rambling is just inherent to the genre. I remember people throwing fists over "broken mechanics" way back in SF4 and Tekken 6 era.

@leonlegend

3 ай бұрын

​​@@JennyTheNerdBat No, they aren't. And the post-honeymoon rambling isn't inherent in any genre, it's just that the problems in this game didn't rear their ugly heads straight away & people hadn't studied the game that much. Personally speaking, I always hated Tekken 7 & always loved Tag 2. Haven't ever had a 'honeymoon' period with any game where I liked it at 1st & then 2 months later decided I didn't for no reason. Outside of Tekken, SF World Tour is boring grind & so is M1K's Invasions. Fighting games aren't anywhere near as good as they used to be because they focus so hard on being E-sports instead of fun games so much so that they almost feel like a job. Compare SF4 arcade mode to SF6's. 4 had 3D animated cutscenes for rival characters & 2D animated endings whereas 6 just has slide shows. MK9's offerings included Challenge Tower, a actual krypt with worthwhile stuff in it & a tag team mode so that you can play with a less experienced player. While M1K just has Invasion. The gameplay could be the best the series has ever known but if there's nothing else to do other than rank up online, which as I said, feels like a job ("I can't go a day without playing because I'll get rusty!"), the end product suffers for it. Sure, Tekken 8 has Tekken Ball & SF6 has party mode which are steps in the right direction but they still lack a lot of offline content that will later be sold as DLC despite the fact that the base game costs more than older games which had more offline content built in.

@MsMvsc

3 ай бұрын

I hated the scapegoat for NRS. Believe me, they deserve criticism. But funny how SF6 and T8 fans got quiet when they're games implemented the same trash monetization 😂

@gokublack3107

3 ай бұрын

​@@JennyTheNerdBatdude harada 😎 hypnotize your sheep ass with them pretty flashy graphic lol mechanics special affects 😂

@gokublack3107

3 ай бұрын

​@@MsMvscSpeak for yourself on Street fighter 6 we good over here,just waiting on akuma 😎...

Yooo I played u literally earlier on, I was the red ranger Yoshi🤣 I fw your vids heavy

@RealMikeHollow

3 ай бұрын

BRAH... I was fuming in that match. I couldn't get any of my shit off 😭😭😂 GGs bro. Thanks for watching the videos ☝🏾

@notsxnsei

3 ай бұрын

@@RealMikeHollowahahhh bro I saw feng and got worried myself, you're actually sick as well GGs🙌🏾

@Section8dc

3 ай бұрын

This is beautiful my bros! This is what the game is about!

@eduardosunsin5063

3 ай бұрын

I played a red ranger yoshi as well today. I was using dragonov! lol

@notsxnsei

3 ай бұрын

@@eduardosunsin5063if it was in blue ranks it was me🤣

Doesn't matter how a character is designed if every general mechanic is skewed towards hyper aggression.

The bug you showed at the end that only happens in practice mode when the characters are reset in a particular way

@joshuamoody7729

3 ай бұрын

honestly, it reminds me of some T4 bugs.

*They* did to Tekken what Arc System Works did to Guilty Gear with Strive: Made a game *heavily* focused on people that are afraid of traditional fighting games. *Arcsys quote* - "We want less experienced players to feel the thrill of victory that veteran players have been enjoying for so long. Our new direction allows players to see results without any need of the train mode. High damage and big momentum swings will be used to achieve this". Source: Arc System Works Guilty Gear Strive Developer's backyard blog #4 Wild momentum swings (like the blue shell in Mario Kart) is the current popular fighting game design choice along with restricted movement (Strive's air-dashing and shorter stages horizontally) and the simplifying of techniques (air blocking in Strive doesn't require tension meter anymore). I'm so glad the new Under-Night is still intact.

@jasonngo1966

3 ай бұрын

I keep telling everyone, UNI2's PC Port getting fixed, combined with everything that Shamdai Scamco has been doing to the fanbase, such as banning modders instead of pluggers and cheaters, and adding pointless microtransactions, is proving that French Bread are more competent developers than Shamdai Scamco. And yet NO ONE LISTENS. How?! The writing is on the wall, UNI2 is proving that they can improve themselves and Bamco is proving that they are greedy pigs who can't make a good game if their lives depended on it. UNI2 is the last standing bastion of good, complex, ArcSys fighting games, and the only good fighting game in general that doesn't make every single mistake that SF6, T8, and MK1 are making, namely, greedy microtransactions, a good balance of complex and flashy gameplay instead of leaning towards soulless flashy gameplay. Tekken 8 is the game you call a good game that isn't a $60 yearly release fandom abusing game, and UNI 2 is the game people say they don't care about and deem the "$60 yearly release fandom abusing game". Guess what matches the description of $60 yearly release fandom abusing game?

@jngo172

Ай бұрын

All I know is that the real $60 yearly release fandom abusing game isn’t even called Under Night In Birth II: sys: celes. It’s called Tekken 8.

I love the game itself but holy crap the higher ups are insufferable. How to fix all of this: -Give pluggers a loss -put in a competent anticheat -allow mods

@mrsocrates2211

3 ай бұрын

Yup that's all, any other complaints is just for noobs, Tekken 8 input is easier than 7 yet they still complain

@ren8283

3 ай бұрын

Yet they decided to put their resources on taking down mods and channels🤷‍♂️

@nikoprower32

3 ай бұрын

quick question. I haven't touched the online yet...but isn't the game cross-play across all platforms?

@theSciFiHi

3 ай бұрын

@@nikoprower32 It is.

@Hiniberus

3 ай бұрын

I like how pluggers are being matched against them and just being banned. That's good enough for me, giving them the loss would be a nice bit of icing on top.

It's always like this, corporations don't act on hype. Oh Tekken 8 is booming? Let's make the wrong moves. Like what the fuck, SURELY they have people around them that have a "link" in to the community? Finally we got casuals going hard in Tekken, they are going to lose them if they don't act soon. Like you said in other videos, some of these casuals will be a part of the FGC, let's not lose them... C'mon Bamco...

@Kabra2012

3 ай бұрын

Ngl, if anything is gonna turn away the casuals, it'll be FGC Twitter more than anything

@NemesisUmbral

3 ай бұрын

From what I can remember after watching Max’s stream during that Tekken stream two days ago, he mentions how casuals care more about the “feeling” of winning rather than have the drive of improvement, which, leads to disconnecting from ranked where nobody wins the points. Leading to Max also wanting one and done players going to federal prison 😂 Which is a joke, of course. Anyway, the reason why I made my point is only because casuals are not necessarily “going hard” in the game, otherwise they aren’t casuals, but mid core players at least. If anything, I am a casual at Tekken and play it every now and then, but this is also because there is no character that is compelling for me to play.

@basidiki2012

3 ай бұрын

As someone who started really getting good in this game (like i finally did my first of many ewgfs in t8) but has played every game in the series. I'm actually really looking forward to going to tournamants😊. Some of ya'll are wWild

@puppy2350

3 ай бұрын

@@NemesisUmbral That's exactly the paradox dividing the player demograph, unfortunate as it is. Veterans and Old players VS Casuals and Newbies. Old timers want to be rewarded for their time invested and skills earned in the game & Casuals want to be rewarded with a quick shot of dopamine and a stress-free pastime for their money spent. Unfortunately, many companies and now also Bamco evidently, thinks you have to sacrifice one demographic for the other. Making the game easier and lowering the skill average is just one symptom of it. They are also shoving in costume MTX and already existing in-game stuff as DLC because new players don't know any better and think that's the norm, meaning they are more willing to pay and shell out cash for hilarious standards that the old timers know better than to do. There's a million people on the planet working 9-5 jobs, 6 days a week, that can churn out the same quality of costumes in a week in their free time, but Bamco wants you to pay unfair amounts for it. Yeah no. Gimme a stage, a character, maybe a new story or offline mode, something that requires actual work and effort to make and I'll happily pay you for it. 4$ for a costume in a game with shit customization not to mention the predatory 'always extra, always short' currency packaging that they are doing on top of that..... You are beautiful people and you deserve better than this.

Im having fun, just reached Orange, first Tekken game in years, came from street fighter 6 which is also fun. It may have its flaws but a fighter naturally has adjusments over time, some stuff is more annoying than others (heat moves for example) but I believe that developers need time to discover HOW people PLAY the game, and come up with exploits or advantages by - you know- playing the game, then apply fixes and such, just try to enjoy, we all get salty, just dont make the game be all about the bad times

@LEWfromdaHOU

3 ай бұрын

Nice!

@hiebrantsify

3 ай бұрын

Well someone is not a raging 12 year old. Sheesh... You dont belong here with your measured and reasonable response.

Heat definitely needs to be adjusted. The raw heat activation attack is a power crush, plus on block/hit, freezes screen, and on top of that you can’t even step them. It’s pretty much the same for the heat burst or whatever it’s called. Most of the rounds come down to who can abuse or manage heat better, & that’s not Tekken IMO.

@ChildishBrandino.

3 ай бұрын

i personally like it for the time being, with how oppressive offense is in general. a time freeze is quite nice and its just as scary as blocking a jab because its only plus 1 on block and +2 on hit. so its easy to disrespect the plus frames

@knightmareGS

3 ай бұрын

​@@ChildishBrandino. I guess I'm in the same boat as you. The game feels good but you just need to be able to hyper focus way more. Most players haven't played for +20 years and this game has so many moves for people to understand.

@KARS215

3 ай бұрын

@@ChildishBrandino. you can sidestep jabs. Jabs also can’t power crush through plus frames as a panic button.

@HumbleHurricane

3 ай бұрын

Perfectly said with and even better final statement.

@LaztheLax

3 ай бұрын

​@@ChildishBrandino. what do you mean? Heat is + 17 on block, or where you talking about certain jabs? 😂

Me still labbing in T7 coz I'm poor 😂

@dontpetentertainment3450

3 ай бұрын

Bro Labbing is honestly more fun than playing online. People are cheating like crazy especially in the higher ranks.

@slash5235

3 ай бұрын

I'm still playing T7 as well, and lots of older fighting games that are dirt cheap to buy. I enjoy experimenting with different characters. It can make fighting games with no one online enjoyable. I play a lot of Blazblue Central Fiction that has some fun combos that you can make.

@alvinmcgreen7087

3 ай бұрын

I'm still playing T7 coz they didn't bring back Lidia 😴

@wutaguy

3 ай бұрын

​@@alvinmcgreen7087 I went back to T7 because I missed Julia too much, lol.

@moxdegiourno7984

3 ай бұрын

i still play t7 just for negan and marduk and play quick match rank is a bunch of tryhards

This was my biggest fear when I saw the initial T8 gameplay presentation. That heat was going to become the be-all, end-all mechanic the way VT comebacks plagued SFV. I'm kind of tired of the hyperaggressive design most fgs have nowadays in general. I work 40-50 hours a week. I'm not excited to come home after a 9 hour shift to deal with unga bunga +5 mix-ups that kill me when I don't guess right on a forced 50/50.

@101mrcrazyman

3 ай бұрын

your comment spoke to me..THANK YOU! I blame the fanbase and their blind praise for the game. Namco didnt need to try and improve their game when the fans are yelling at them to release the game. I work 60-70 hours and i feel this completely.

@Do0mSl4yer95

3 ай бұрын

Don't play a fighting game after work

@N00BSYBORG

3 ай бұрын

@@Do0mSl4yer95 I usually work 6 days a week. Guess I just won't play fighting games anymore.

@Do0mSl4yer95

3 ай бұрын

@@N00BSYBORG Oof, Jesus dude I couldn't play fighting games when I had that schedule Not even gonna lie

@MangaGamified

3 ай бұрын

Lol so true, this is why I love classic MMORPG's when the average business model was not P2W. Arrive home bust some noobs and elites, and after that talk whats going on around the world, like When would they Vote Trump. Fighting games are great to break that monotony every once in a while, for variety or spice in life. But it's kinda boring if everyone just plays like what I call a Mileena. They could just make some characters leaning more towards to being hyper aggressive and just reward(like $100 or smthn) to esport players for playing hyper aggressive playstyles. While not affecting unrelated people who don't care about the money or playing aggressive playstyles. This is what's happening in League, some characters are intentionally weaker than designed cause they're OP in esports like Azir, Aphelios, Zeri. But gobsmacked has lower average winrates compared to other characters in average human play.

i'm so glad that Knee spoke about Steve's new terrible stance problems. cause everybody's been talking about his look, & voice but not bringing up how awful that stance was implemented.

@JeanPKlaus

3 ай бұрын

Playing Steve - feels so bad. Let me weave - oh nevermind I just got clipped into someone's combo and now I am being combo'd to death to the wall I go, oh no wall splat, more combo, oh no more screw, now I am dead. Over one weave. Like I get this super sick weave, but then I also get launched and punished for it immediately before he can recover and I am like....I...just..ok

We haven't even gotten our first balance patch so I'm not tripping.

@badvibes850

3 ай бұрын

We got a balance patch a while ago. The same time the Tekken shop was added.

@martinmonroe7082

3 ай бұрын

@@badvibes850that wasnt a balance patch jesus. Murray said it numerous times what it was🤦‍♂️

@swann7715

3 ай бұрын

real and I don’t like the comparison to t7 because every game will be different atleast it isn’t leroy day 1

@anthonym9977

3 ай бұрын

​@@swann7715why wouldn't you compare t7 and t8??

1. No heat = No Chip damage 2. No free heat bars, You need to build it by landing attacks. + option to keep it for next round. 3. No full launch heat dashes. 4. No homing throws. 5. Rage arts should be -20 6. All Low heat smash should be launch punishable.

@yellowscarlightningscream8347

3 ай бұрын

Lmao, so you are gonna make the game back to Tekken 7.5..... Victor has a low heat smash because all his lows are terrible...... If you don't have homing throws then there is literally no way to catch side stepping characters because half the roster have terrible homing moves

@suntansuperman598

3 ай бұрын

so just make sure people don't have a way to stop rushers and if they don't know the matchup they just fucked? NOPE that's stupid as fuck. people want a way out of getting spammed

@Mm-vr9mt

3 ай бұрын

Great suggestions and only scrubs would say otherwise lmao tracking, throws etc are brainless and RA being safe for certain chars is a crime, and no, a throw is not a suitable punish.

@kakimotoK20

3 ай бұрын

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347Aight bro every character has moves that track, they could just buff some. They could buff victor’s lows. The “aggression” is out of control. I can’t defend my opponents, they can’t defend me, every match is rush down. That is wack and I think these suggestions were pretty reasonable

@lapirinolaepica1876

3 ай бұрын

​@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 bait used to be believable

The prices are getting higher... the content package usually doesn't get bigger than in the games from the PS2 or PS3 gens, which were made in tighter schedule and with limited technology and much limited memory capacity... The initial rosters usually are not bigger than in those past gens... There are very early dlc releases, which of course didn't exist in the game back then... And most dlc packs exploit the nostalgia of veterans, because the company knows they aren't able to sell their new ideas very well so the dlc is 80-90% popular veterans and 10-20% newcomer generally. Most fgs reached a creativity crisis point where it's been harder to make new chars who are as solid as the best veterans, so saving important veterans for dlc is vital for their strategy of exploiting the old fans and maximizing profits like crazy. In the old times there was a streak of creative brilliance in the industry and the devs were making a lot of good new chars back to back, but nowadays it's been many more "miss" than "hit". So the long term dlc plans is a strategy that strictly depends on exploiting the nostalgia behind those old ideas (chars), because they are not competent to make like a dlc pack of only newcomers that feel appealing. No fg company does that and ever will. And these horribly predatory practices are the meta of fg making, everyone does that. The companies just slowly warmed up their community slowly untill they become extra receptive to accept these things, that only get worse in literally every sequel in every game. The greed only gets worse, and is actually turning fgs into a much more expensive genre, because you might skip cosmetics but you will need to pay for the waves of dlc chars for years to get the full roster, which is important for the fg experience... It's raising the total spendings on fgs higher than in the times they released full priced updates... And still that's even defended. The fanboys of all communities act like these franchises are on the brink of bankruptcy if they don't have very early dlc char releases, if there's no micro transactions, if SF doesn't charge $100 for a pack of costumes for a small roster game, etc.

@hurricane7727

3 ай бұрын

Tekken Tag 2 Had 55 Characters which is still the Most in a Tekken Game even Compared to Tekken 7 Deluxe version. Ssf4 had a Much Bigger Roster than Sf6

I think the heat smash move should require a certain amount of heat to activate, not allowing people to throw it out when it's almost depleted.

@ryphish4924

3 ай бұрын

Kinda like akumas power bars on T7?

@TekkenLabTV

3 ай бұрын

@@ryphish4924 kinda.

The biggest problem with Heat is too many options are safe. The fact you can block a heat smash and it's still not your turn is dumb. They don't know how meters and supers are suppose to work in fighting games. I hope they look at 2D games to balance heat appropriately.

@LloydTheZephyrian

3 ай бұрын

Usually, supers are basically death on block.

@solidsnake434

3 ай бұрын

This, so much it's such BS to block it effectively only to still be on the losing side.

My main concern is the way they might be dishing out bans. From statements it seems like if a person has enough reports against them ingame they get banned. What stops people from getting salty and reporting anyways?

What do y’all want, a C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker!?

As a bear main, the matchup vs everyone is exclusively to get heat off ASAP so you actually get some safe options in ewgf and faster roll, once you're in you can win the round in two interactions just like everyone else. Heat makes the Identity of a character who's whole schpiel is to slowly chip with goofy moves and condition your enemy into making a mistake with your varied but unsafe moveset; into using nothing but your best options and closing out rounds as fast as possible because the entire cast can rush you down with their vastly superior options at all times. All it takes to beat a bear is using an armour move when they poke with something unsafe trying to catch you and win the 50/50 when you run in after the fact. I cant bare it anymore (continues to bear it)

Such is the fate of every fighting game.

@carlosaugusto9821

3 ай бұрын

And in the case of Tekken, Harada seems to be taking a lot of advantage on the fact he is a respected and charismatic celebrity in the whole fgc, and after the departure of Ono the genre doesn't have any other game maker that really stands out in public appearances. And the fact that Tekken became the "Smash Bros" of 3d fgs, in the sense that it's surrounded by 3d fgs that are too much below it in almost every aspect... So it's not that alternatives don't exist, but they aren't rivals in practical terms, they are too inferior to even be qualified to be rivals of Tekken. In the early 00s the 3d fg scene was rich and competitive, and even DOA was still respectable and contributing with innovations to the genre. TK vs VF vs SC vs DOA. And SC was in a very strong shape around SC2. But now there's no competition, no pressure on Tekken... And that also means there's nowhere else to go in 3d. Like, when MvC messed up last time with MVCI, that motivated people to get into DBFZ, and when people got tired of SF5 they could try GGST. But Tekken, like Smash Bros, more or less monopolize their field.

I agree with all this heavily. I come from the sf6 side of things and we just got a new character recently (Ed) and he’s so fun and interesting but he’s not viable because he’s not able to play the no brain offense game like all the best characters can.

@LEWfromdaHOU

3 ай бұрын

True

The fgc and gaming community in general are too fickle. One moment they love something and the next its cool to hate that same thing, its all short attention spans and bandwagon jumpers. Its gotta be tough being a developer.

@JustSendMeLocation

3 ай бұрын

The fgc wouldn’t exist without the players who buy the games; it’s their money therefore the companies need to take what they say in.

@votnyf4157

3 ай бұрын

@@JustSendMeLocation true but it's one thing when fans are giving feedback and critique about things in a game that need to be fixed, but it's another when fans become spoiled and grow toxic for usually trivial reasons. For example review bombing a game they didn't play because they found out it has microtransactions

@evansdada2004

3 ай бұрын

Couldnt have said this better myself. And anyways if they thought that the modding would last after they did the Tekken Store, Welp.... Also SF6 even did away with the mods so it was bound to happen. Someone said something on here about at least Mk allows it. Heck they probably never thought about it. Give them time. Still love the game and will continue playing it. Even with the foolery lol

@kaine4625

3 ай бұрын

@@votnyf4157 misrepresenting the Entire portion of ppl who are calling out bandai namco for the whole modding striking as the "spoiled and toxic" is counterintuitive and dishonest even if inadvertent. And even for the sake of argument with the review bombing in certain cases such as in bandai namcos case where communication to the community is spotty at best, people will want to get their voice heard hence the review bombing which also for better or worse usually makes news which will bring more eyes to it hopefully diminishing the ignorance argument that bamco could pull. I think of it more of a cause and effect more than an entitlement thing you potray at least in this context. Its true that its tough for the developers but they arent the ones spear heading this distasteful practices which i attribute more to higher up big wigs.

@inksword6029

3 ай бұрын

just because fanboys made it seem like this was the best game ever doesnt mean it ever was, people just got led on by the hype and now people are starting to realize how theres way better fighting games out there

Removing Chip damage outside of heat is a great idea. I enjoyed Tekken because it felt like such a good balance between defense and offense play. I only began in T7 so I’m sure previous titles were even more so. The game just feels like attack, heat burst, heat smash. Even when having good defensive play you are still eating damage and only take one move with chip removal properties and it is all gone.

Abysmal Online, Basic items that should have been there day 1 being Paywalled, Not doing anything about Cheaters and Banning PC modding. Heel Turn? Namco are being Mr. Mcmahon level of Heel rn.

fighting games in general seem to be moving to a type of defense that is human incompatible in an attempt to create more random outcomes. whether it be deejay drive rush and drive impact, guilty gears 2 frame throw break window etc., or tekkens inescapable stance mix ups/heat stuff all of these things are for the most part an unavoidable mechanic in the game but honestly all this stuff loses to the same thing. which is raw reaction speed its no longer about labbing where to step or duck or whatever its about training your brain and overdosing on caffeine to see the low full combo sweep in slow motion and react to it. and as a human youre just not going to have pure reactions like that 24/7 lmao

@thatsbussssin

3 ай бұрын

Agreed . Trying to block highs and lows that are flying at me at rapid speed is nearly IMPOSSIBLE, add heat smash to the mix and random high launchers it’s enough to make anybody’s brain melt .

@MegaSolopolo

3 ай бұрын

All that yapping to say you're old and can't keep up.

@alekid

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad I am not alone. I feel the same way. I keep seeing players saying react to this or that like that, but damn...at this speed? Are they being serious? Even if some come, makes one wonder who they tailor these games for.

@thatsbussssin

3 ай бұрын

@@alekid I keep thinking I just suck at 8 but when I go into 7 or 6 my timing for block is good and I’m able to see what my opponent is doing and what their next move will be. With 8 my defence absolutely STINKS, I can block just fine but when random lows and highs are being whipped around at rapid speed I’m just left confused, and end up in this blender of a string . Even if I try my punishers while my opponent is hitting highs it gives my opponent the right away, it’s all about quick timing for punishers which seems humanly impossible, I can sometimes hit it if I smash my buttons real quick but I’m left just guessing where I should block and am gripping my side stick for DEAR LIFE .

Gotta say the gambling part sounds very much like what a new player would feel while playing tekken regardless of the heat mechanic. Still it was a bummer for me when Namco said they were going to make t8 all about aggression, I was hoping to get more defensive options.

My only issue is with ranked and how you can't set your preference to +1 or +0

@DPantherful1

3 ай бұрын

That has always puzzled me. Ranked: 'Get more points against people at your rank' Also Ranked: +/-2 minimum, best I got. I get that it's probably for search parameters, 'cause what's the chances of a majority of people in a region the same rank as you? . . . But still. . .

@jonathanfr9809

3 ай бұрын

Real issue is that beating stronger rank give less point than 1 rank below

@mirai6824

3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanfr9809 which is why +0 rank preference should 100% be a thing

Ironically, as a law player, adding nunchucks to the game had me playing more defensively, timing ch launches with the nunchucks. Despite the DSS dumb down, nunchucks were the most beautiful addition to law. His back 1+2 armor has been helpful too for hyper agressive players (along with the garaunteed nunchuck followup)

My main thing that really annoys me is that there is wayyy too much tracking on everything. Sidestep got such an upgrade but you never notice it. Example, Claudio was unique because he had amazing tracking mid in b1. But now everyone has a b1 and many which overshadow Claudio's. Oh yeah, buff Claudio.

@101mrcrazyman

3 ай бұрын

You are not wrong. Game is extremely cheesy with heat engagers

@palim-ux9ry

3 ай бұрын

no thats exactly whats wrong with the game.. dont fucking buff claudio. TONE down others! if we keep buffing shit then we just have the ultimate optimus prime vs optimus prime situation thats not fun at all.

@dxsperado

3 ай бұрын

​@@palim-ux9ryEven without the Dragon Ball Z level movesets in the game Claudio is still a below average character.

@SpScarletSpider

3 ай бұрын

You guys are all wrong. We have to nerf Leroy even more!

@heroicsquirrel3195

3 ай бұрын

@@SpScarletSpiderexactly, in 200 hours ive fought one leroy and he nearly took a round off me, nerf that broken crap

Same thing happened with tk7," oh no,they nerfed the movement,moves have bigger hitboxs,rage drives are broken,tekken is 2d now,tekken is dead, delete akuma,power crushes sucks, every move ch launches and tracks now" give it time,people will adapt and bamco will change the game

@filthyjones6150

3 ай бұрын

the game isn't the issue, its how they treat the community

@kamren3542

3 ай бұрын

yea dumbing down games for worse players seems to be a trend, dont know why u think its a positive thing

@kamren3542

3 ай бұрын

like these things make the game feel trash to interact with, win or lose after adapting its not engaging or consistent to be jailed into 50:50 the whole game while being punished for moving

@kona7014

3 ай бұрын

tekken 7 was 2d tho lmao you look at sets and theyre using the 3d plane so sparingly. power crush still sucks for the same reason heat sucks, only purpose is for new players

@1AdA-Greats

3 ай бұрын

@@filthyjones6150the game is part of the problem don’t sugar coat it

In other games, installs (I see heat as a generic install for all characters) takes some finesse to get into. If its blocked (unless its used to armor/invul through moves), it at the very best, should land you back to neutral. And in those games, there is usually a "parry" or "reversal" that rewards good reads for when the opponent wants to install. In this game, even if you are 100% sure someone is going into heat, your option is to throw or go low. Thats only if you are close enough and have the plus frames to do it, and only if you press your move before they press heat. Why is that? Heat shouldn't be free in neutral. Heck, make it so its punishable with Rage Art if someone dare pop it on neutral.

@Paul_Frank

3 ай бұрын

You can in fact, punish heat on reaction, it doesn't need to be prediction Rage art will also punish it if you trade since they won't be able to block in time

@alan133

3 ай бұрын

Rage art only work if you press it right before they go into the "zoom in" camera. If you try pressing rage art during or after that it can be blocked. I specifically tested this.

There are some things going on with activating ultimates and using heat that I do feel if finally ironed out within the player base will become extremely easy and cheesy and will become the most common forms of playstyle/tactics

I play Tekken at a casual level (green rank), and what bothers me about the new heat mechanic is that if I do a move and happen to land a counter hit, my character begins to run at the opponent entirely of their own volition; I didn't do that. It's like watching a cutscene with QTEs.

@RealMikeHollow

3 ай бұрын

Those are heat engagers. When you activate them, the character will auto run. They're not necessarily counter hits although you can hit one as a counter hit.

Punk using SF5 as an example of different playstyles is the definition of irony 😂

@shadowofthenorthstar989

3 ай бұрын

Exactly ppl all of the sudden pretending they love SFV when the game was there they did nothing but talk about how scrubby it was and how nobody was unique

@Voffsing1

3 ай бұрын

@@shadowofthenorthstar989 no one is saying SFV was good. SFIV on the other hand

@MindoftheNorthStar

3 ай бұрын

@@Voffsing1 And when SFIV came out people were crying about how it wasn't 3rd Strike and scrubbier

@KenjitsuHokori

3 ай бұрын

Personally I thought 4 was meh but that's just me. I didn't like 5 that much also but I did love Laura. Just SF peaked at third strike imo And if it could of gotten balanced it would stay the time today imo.

@Zelldic27

3 ай бұрын

​@@KenjitsuHokori SF3 killed street fighter for like 10 years my dude.

I’ve been saying all of this since day ONE . Its so refreshing to finally see the community realize t8’s issues. I love this game franchise DEARLY and would hate to see it go to waste , hopefully this’ll get sorted out but in the meantime I had to put this game down for my own sanity

@darthelena6785

3 ай бұрын

Day one here too.

@thatsbussssin

3 ай бұрын

@@darthelena6785 I remember complaining on Reddit during its honeymoon phase and I got absolutely wrecked . Its nice to see people finally agreeing on the issues we’re running into

@i3ssb00st5

3 ай бұрын

I have question for ya With all due respect, the game does have its flaws but would you say this game was never good in the first place? I think T8 is still a good game, could you say the same?

@thatsbussssin

3 ай бұрын

@@i3ssb00st5 I love tekken 8 and I’m not saying it’s a bad game . Though I noticed it’s flaws really early on I think it’s the best 3d fighting game I’ve ever played and that’s counting the other tekken’s in the franchise. Though I have my own play style and I’m unable to achieve my style in 8 .

@666slateran666

3 ай бұрын

T8s the 🐐 cope and seeth

I just got into Tekken and I have to say this game is a big momentum based game. There is no slow down, no pull back and breathe. It's momentum back and forth and aggression. The fact heat can change the momentum of a fight with a armored first move that really does make your opponent have to back off or risk a Azucena DP Heat before they can push a button really dials back any pressure. Then your opponent goes into Rage, which also makes you stop your pressure and shifts the momentum abit because how fast it comes out and the fact it's armored AND can catch a button almost immediately lol. Anime fighters and SF are the two game genres that have stuck really hard with character playstyles as their focus and selling point. Even then, SF changed mechanics to where you're dashing in and keeping pressure but still gives you the freedom to turtle as say, guile or Ryu if you want. This is my first Tekken since Tag so I can't really say much on the meta but as a King and Asuka main I wouldn't have guessed I'd be just rushing and slamming someone against the wall as my main gameplan till i got the controller in my hand. I thought Asuka would be a counter based character while King would be a heavy armored grappler lol

This. This video is the one that explains why I’ve been frustrated with this game. I couldn’t put it into words before but this is the one. Thanks, Mike. ✌🏾😁

For the first few weeks, I loved Tekken 8. Now I'm kinda bored from it and the game overall feels soulless. Modern fighting games are just missing something.

Heat, gameplay to agressive, defense feels pointless, mtx, banning mods...crazy how it started with sf6 mk1 and now t8

@JaytasticalTVGaming

3 ай бұрын

Yess 😔

@DrakeHunter324

3 ай бұрын

All of that. Turns out I like a more measured Tekken rather than rounds ending in ten seconds.

@adrammelechthewroth6511

3 ай бұрын

@@DrakeHunter324 Agreed.

@666slateran666

3 ай бұрын

"Defense feels pointless" someone doesn't ever block lmao

@MangaGamified

3 ай бұрын

@@666slateran666 His choice of words was might not be the very best but he probably means, they incentivize aggression too much like giving extra + on block, or leave them in a weird state. It's like rock-paper-scissors, and giving scissors a 30% chance not to be defeated by rock. There's too much aggression and just different kinds of aggression, this might as well be a TFT or auto-chess game, Where it's all mindless rushing to enemies head first.

Haven’t played tekken is prob a decade but this guy’s videos got me interested in all this hooplah with tekken 8 😂

I've been in Tekken since Tekken 2 and it used to be more technical, until juggles came.They tried a lot of stuff, like the new walls system in Tekken 4, which was too much, since it also had obstacles within the fighting area and made it really tedious to have a decent match (I still remember that phone booth in the airport area), so they got rid of them (thankfully) in Tekken 5 and only kept the walls. At last Tekken had some drops of realism, since you didn't fight in an endless space. But then, instead of going for even more realism, it was like they literally said "we want to ruin Tekken once and for all". Everyone started having auras, flashes, whatever and they instroduced juggle combos. So Tekken went from being technical to who will master the longest possible combo, to keep their opponent in the air for longer, so they literally destroy them, without them having a single chance to fight back. I mean now, with Tekken 8, it has reached a point were literally all my opponents online, the only thing they try to do, is launch me into the air. That's the ONLY thing they try to do. Why? To do ANOTHER juggle combo. I feel like a ragdoll being tossed around for the duration of the match. I could literally put my controller down for as long as the juggle combo lasts, go for a leak, have some lunch, since I CAN'T FUCKING CONTROL MY CHARACTER IN A FUCKING FIGHTING GAME, BECAUSE HE'S AT THE MERCY OF THE OPPONENT. It's frustating even thinking about it. And that was not enough. With the introduction of rage arts in Tekken 7, you just press a button and your character fights on their own for a while. SO WHY THE FUCK AM I HERE, HOLDING A FUCKING CONTROLLER IN MY HANDS? To sit back and watch a cut-scene MID-FIGHT? Years ago, every fighting game had a character. Now when i watch Tekken, is like watching Tekken, Dragon Ball Tenkaichi, Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom all together in one game... There you go, i let it all out. I've had enough with that asshole, Harada. He ruined my favorite fighting game.

@fazares

3 ай бұрын

all correct except fot the juggles part..those were in the series since d1 ahah..since 1994's Tekken 1!!!

@John315

3 ай бұрын

@@fazares No they weren't. You couldn't do more than one follow up attack after you launched the opponent. Now your character nearly never touches the ground.

Humans like to rationalize their decisions. Tekken 8 does not allow that.

It needs a Stone Cold shaking hands with Vince level heel turn.

When the game was announced, I was part of the people saying it was going to be a shitshow. We all saw it from light years away. Everyone decided that people like us were just "anti-change" or "it's not out yet, you do not know how it will play." However now those same people are starting to see what we were all trying to say from the beginning. For me the heat system (and the buffs to rage arts.) have turned this game into an anime fighter, and not Tekken. Honestly if Tekken 7 had Tekken 8's netcode, and sidestepping. I would not have bothered getting Tekken 8. (Tekken 7 is not even my favourite Tekken, but it has my main Eliza, and better netcode than 6 lol).

Heat reminds me of V trigger all over again 🤢

@heybuzzed

3 ай бұрын

That exactly and some triggers were not viable while others were ridiculous.

The same dumbing down of unique fighting styles has happened in Street Fighter 6 as well. What happened to being an execution god in fighting games. I want to feel like i love fighting games still but these new releases haven't been living up to my expectations lately.

@BronzeAgePepper

3 ай бұрын

The Melee community really received a blessing in disguise, when every sequel that follows it has been anti-competitive by design, it just keeps bringing people back to their game (although Nintendo has been trying to snuff out that scene for years, they just can't finish the job). "just play the old games" doesn't really work on the current crop of FGs even though it ought to.

@sectorred_2389

3 ай бұрын

That's kinda praising NRS fighting games maybe except MKX. Because it has different fighting styles. Sure, some styles are lame and OP (zoning spam), some weaker. But overall you have an option to choose your style of gameplay. You can do zoning type gameplay, mix up type of gameplay, aggressive type of gameplay, all styles combined in one. While Tekken has only rush aggressive style gameplay which is not bad but hell, keep at least defend style of gameplay. Most certainly it will become boring.

Heat with safe RA’s is just ridiculous, I’ve been checked out of Tekken 8. They knew what they were doing when they released this game in this condition. Hope it gets better.

Sick video btw it feels like you're basically just echoing everything that the community is saying (sounds like a diss but i'm just so glad that theres someone that understands us)

Similar thing with Smash Ultimate(a game Namco also has worked on too). They took out perfect shield. Players could theoretically just run in and tap sheild to block any attack; but in actuality you still have to time it correctly, actually know the timing of your opponents attack and know the exact option they're going for to even get Perfect Shield. Shield used to be frame 5; it is now frame 13 and for you to get a Parry in Ult, you need to be a lot farther ahead in your opponents mind because Shield is almost three times as slow to start in addition to the factors I mentioned about Perfect shield. It makes a dimple game weirdly complicated and a gamble. But then Mashing, spamming and zoning becomes so powerful in Ultimate because you don't have perfect shield forcing opponents to think about their options or the timing of their options. Aggression used to be proper in Smash 4; Ultimate is just silly with it. They removed the ability to Pivot. Movement is indicative of a players skill. I don't think Wavedash absolutely has to come back BUT the lack of Pivot forces everyone to play BASIC. That limits all of our expression in our playstyles and forces us to stay at a low level. Thus, less competent start to creep up and get an edge on higher level players. No more fancy evasion to counter nor extension of combos. They also removed the ability to run through people and that actually made Smash Bros what it is. The ground game used to be so different because people could actually get punished harder for shielding or spot dodging for no reason. Spot Dodging actually got a buff now to where you can cancel it with an attack mid way. What would combat that would be running through someone when they spot dodge cancel is a turn around dash grab or an attack after you run through them. But in Ultimate, you can't do that. Developers also made a short hop aerial shortcut. You can press X and A together to do it now. Its convenient but this really mainly is for the less competent players. You wouldn't think it'd matter much but it does because there are people who really couldn't short hop aerial before as well as others. Instead of them becoming better at pressing the buttons or becoming faster at it, the gap isn't as far for them now. As for the more competent players, there isn't any tech for them to learn to take advantage of. A lot of the sauce has been taken away in Ultimate. The meta shifts character and player wise because of it. Everyone being good isn't done correctly in this game and aggression definitely is not proper here.

You either die a Dusty Rhodes or live long enough to become a Ric Flair. Love the game but even as a console player I'm mad for the modding community.

@clarencegutsy7309

3 ай бұрын

So become a revered legend that almost every wrestler worth something puts on their Mount Rushmore of all time greats?

Tekken 8 is fun. But I have never been THIS FRUSTRATED with Tekken. It feels like im playing MKX. Constant 50/50's with no options to deal with it. Heat engagers being +17 on block is NUTS. Every character has + frames out the wazoo. Hwoarangs power crushes being -12, instead of -13 like they were in Tekken 7 is bull crap. Bryan can kill you with 2 pokes, and 1 combo. Bears spamming electrics in heat with no real counter play that i can find. Azucena WR 3,2 being +5 when it should only be +1 or 2. The game is just TOO much. Which sucks cause the combo system is better than 7. The heat engagers ARE cool but they ARE broken. I actually like chip damage (thats a hot take though so....). I like the tornado spins. The characters are more interesting. Also, inputs genuinely seem....odd? they dont seem to read right. I dont have any evidence for that but i think its true. I miss Tekken 7. Which is truly a shame because Tekken 7 left in a garbage state where every character was bland and was not interesting. But id rather have what tekken 7 was than have this 50/50 non stop stuff.

@eddy3080

3 ай бұрын

Man, when did tekken players become such bitches? Jesus

@IcePac116

3 ай бұрын

If you think this game is frustrating, try playing Tekken 6 arcade mode on ultra hard as the Bears 💀💀

@M3TALG0DS

3 ай бұрын

Tekken 8 IS MKX. LMAO. Its MKX in 3D stage format on roids & the heat feature.

@Do0mSl4yer95

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like a skill issue

@ashleyholbird4287

3 ай бұрын

@@Do0mSl4yer95 people who say this just sound stupid. Even if its a skill issue it isnt fun to deal with this.

New to tekken 8 and I swear defense needs a buff holy power crush is such a gift people just gap every move and connect frame traps and cheesy moves

Wow I got the same Dio outfit that the Hwoarang player was playing!

They just got to tone down certain characters heat like DJ,Jun,King,Feng,Yoshi cause those are ridiculously op

@funnyvalentine6670

3 ай бұрын

No drag?

If they released a Tekken 5 anniversary edition, None of the pros , and ogs would be playing 8 I’ll tell ya that .

@hurricane7727

3 ай бұрын

We have Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection Ps3 with Jinpachi as a Playable Character no mods needed

@666slateran666

3 ай бұрын

Nice cope

@BronzeAgePepper

3 ай бұрын

@@hurricane7727 PS3 online store is ded and I couldn't find a download of it anywhere, was really hoping to try it on RSCP3 (or whatever it's called) for Steam Deck

The most violent game of paper rocks Scissor ever made...

Trying this as my first real effort in Tekken, I feel actively punished for trying to learn movement. Everything tracks so damn hard and if I get it wrong I take 30%. Some launchers also seem too safe for too much reward, but that might just be me whining.

even tho it´s somewhat justified it´s also factual that the Tekken community is notorious for being whiny af...tekken fans always gotta cry about something (I love Tekken, but Tekken fans are obnoxius) just look at how they viewed T7 early on calling it the greatest Tekken has ever been only to later on acting like it´s trash and worse than Tag2

@ps3brian24

3 ай бұрын

Thats why i stoped to play tekken, too many cry babyes came with tekken 7 and people cant be silent and enjoy the game even with his flaws like in the ttt2 era

@tryingtochangemyways5074

3 ай бұрын

I agree man I noticed it a little bit in Tekken 7..But it's even worse in this game..My goodness

@sherazuki

3 ай бұрын

As a new player I had to laugh at the comment section on the announcment of the TWT. I love the game (I agree with all the disagreements) but you're already killing momentum by complaining so much about stuff that outsiders have no idea about. Not one positive comment lmao

@jasper7280

3 ай бұрын

I love tekken too but the community is unbearable most of the time

@Chrischos

3 ай бұрын

@@ps3brian24 People like u would eat a goldplated turd

Heat Dashes are hype as hell, and feel good when executed. Safe, 10 Frame Heat Smashes that do 35%+. Not even.

I think a lot of the issues coming up in T8 could be addressed by even making heats and Rage Arts harder to access. For example, in T7 there were more unique inputs you had to pull off to do a Rage Art or Rage Drive. As far as balancing goes, I'm really not worried tbh. Looks like they were just trying to appeal to everyone to get everyone invested in learning the game, but patches are going to happen and the dumbed down Tekken we have right now isn't likely to stay dumbed down.

@funnyvalentine6670

3 ай бұрын

You literally click r1 to do a rage art in tekken 7, wtf are you talking about?

@vidguru0062

3 ай бұрын

@@funnyvalentine6670 that wasn’t the case in T7 with rage drives, only rage arts. not only that using R1 for rage arts wasn’t universally done like it is for heat in T8. also chill, you’re mad aggressive for no reason lol

Great video but holy shit no way taking a screenshot lags the game as a content creator im so glad I never thought of that for thumbnails

18:36 even though the game is eating "peach" they still made the "mangos" jiggle

If we’re complaining already in season 1 I can only imagine the bs that’s to come in the later seasons…

@W00JDA

3 ай бұрын

Nothing will change. people complaining the most play the game for 10 hours a day.

@UmbraWeiss

2 ай бұрын

The only people who will remain to play the game in some months are those people.... And now they make everything they can to make them hate the game...

I started playing King recently and the only reason he's op is because moves track. His gameplay is almost the same as T7 but who knew grab changes would benefit a grappler character... This together with his old mids and similar looking throws makes him a nightmare

I didn't think someone would drop an Oda Nobunaga in this decade.

As an enjoyer of Tekken since T2, I just think there is SOMETHING about T8 that is just whack. Something about the theming and the focus on more over the top shit. It’s more of a departure from what Tekken used to be than most people right now realize.

@BronzeAgePepper

3 ай бұрын

do you hear that? it's the distant echo of 2001. "Tekken 4 is all wrong, they've departed from the past games in favor of realism. I already miss Tekken 7- I mean, Tekken Tag Tournament." It's called adapting to the times, for better or worse.

I see alot of players have no self awareness on this issue. The issue of player expression or easier mechanics is not a dev issue. One should expect the mechanics of anything to be easier as time goes on and the reason you dont get as much player expression today is because of how quickly we can exchange tactics and tech through social media. The pro players are the ones who dictate the meta in these games not the casual. So once the meta for all the characters has been discovered its the pro players calling for nerfs and buffs because now the game is stale. If character expression was truly valued why do we always immediately call for nerfs for any character that may have more tools than another?

@Alltrupoptart

3 ай бұрын

I couldnt have said it any better, perfect response. Dont get me wrong i do agree and think that tekken 8 is very mash friendly but its not IMPOSSIBLE to get around lol the games been out 2 months we will find ways around it eventually. Give the devs a break. I dont have a problem with the heat system and i hope they leave it as is.

@justcallmesage2279

3 ай бұрын

Valid points indeed.

@alfredmanzano680

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

@inksword6029

3 ай бұрын

terrible argument, the nerfs are not for skill expressive characters, theyre for dumb easy to play top tier characters that are extremely strong compared to the rest of the cast, the complains are about the whole game being easier and rewarding scrub behavior instead of skill

@eddy3080

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@inksword6029surely you could reach max rank with these ‘scrubby behaviors’ right? Because if you actually played some decent in this game, they would blow right through your flowchart.

The only thing left for Tekken is for them to add loot boxes with limited characters or items. You don´t pay? You lose. Or a gacha system like Genshin, using in game money for "wishes" so you can get the chance to unlock stages or characters without paying more money.

I’m life long tekken fan I’m 37 years old and I’ve stopped playng t8 month ago. It’s impossible to play,everyone just mashing furiously on my face and when I finally win something they ragequit… my life as Bryan main is difficult enough in this game and even when I win I lose, it’s not fun man

Because anti modding against honest modders.Lack of customization options with clothes that are stuck together. People getting juggled.Overpriced DLC.Bad mechanics hindering Korean backdash.Too many pluggers.

Been having connection error for quick matching today

I found a fun little combo Route for feng! So if u do: f 34, ff 4 delay 3, 1, MD 1, MD 33, (Wall) df 3, b 1+2, 14, b 1+2 It does like 95 damage no counter Hit, rage or heat So how this works is in two ways either u get the wall with 8 Hits or less (which Looks to be the Most Consistent way) or you Do a combo where u right in the Opponents face when He Hits the wall In tekken 8 u can Play alot of characters without a screw to Use it at the wall for massiv damage like in the older games Good exemples would be Leo, law, dragunov or even lee they getting much more damage that way I'm Not a feng Main but shareing tech that i find is always nice!

My issue with T8 is how much you can get blown up for one mistake or misinput. 50% combos are way too doable.

17:27 thanks for mentioning my comment bro! Nothing to add else here besides the fact that they should either work on heat a lot more or remove it entirely which obviously won’t happen

I will say. I wish there were options to get out of combos and mix ups. I can't wait until we get to that point where we have options

Imagine if heat had multiple styles, which one of those you can choose in character loadaout. For example OG heat - Rushdown New heat style - defense, heat smash/heat burst etc would do different things than og heat system. So you could mix and match the character with the heat style.

@BronzeAgePepper

3 ай бұрын

cool idea but super complicated for an already difficult game (although I'm not against them throwing hardcore players a bone for once) and would be a nightmare to balance for every existing character. it's been 2 months, we don't need to completely reinvent a core mechanic this soon.

I feel like Tekken was always the game where you see different martial arts fight elegantly fight each other, or in competitive, different playstyles like spacing heavy, or defensive punishment based, or tricky mixups. Now its like everything is anime charging into the opponent with advantage and mixups on everything.

All this push towards aggression and combos is the same mentality that has ruined sports like basketball and hockey. Eventually, this game will degenerate into a scrubby mess. A pretty mess, but still a mess.

@M3TALG0DS

3 ай бұрын

Legit fought people who even when i block somehow they magically get hits in. or i would do the same...its like this thing CHOOSES who wins even if you're skilled.

@HELLRAISER02

3 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate on the 2 sports you mentioned? I dont follow em, so i wanna know the parallel

@ATC43

3 ай бұрын

@@HELLRAISER02 I can only comment on Basketball but the jist is that over the past 10-15 years changes have been made which favor offense and big scoring over defensive play. These changes were made mostly because the NBA believed higher scoring was more exciting for the average viewer. Defensive fouls for handchecking(keeping a hand on a defender while they dribble the ball) were introduced which allowed more freedom for the offensive player to move across the court. Softer defensive fouls in general are called leading to more free throws and points and heavily disincentivizing tough defensive play. Offensive players were called much less for violations like traveling(taking 3 steps without dribbling the ball) again leading to and easier time scoring. Changes like those compounded with general optimization on how the game is played(teams found that shooting more 3s[a lower percentage shot] and very close 2s[very high percentage] was a more efficient way to score than shooting mid ranged 2s) have lead to a league where pretty much every team plays the same way. There is very little variation in team style. It all makes for a slightly more exciting viewing experience yes, but a bit of the essence of the sport has been lost.

@redline841

3 ай бұрын

​@@HELLRAISER02 I know for Basketball, the current meta has become long range snipers. Nobody plays defense because you can just quickly pass the ball to someone and they shoot for a free long 2 or 3. Not sure about hockey.

@holden6104

3 ай бұрын

@@HELLRAISER02 in hockey, they changed a lot of the layout of the ice to increase the attack area and reduce the neutral area. If you don't know hockey, it's sort of hard to explain. They also shrunk goalie pads, restricted the goalie's ability to play the puck, etc. All designed to increase scoring for greater mass appeal.

Im not really bothered by folks heat. Im moreso bothered by the type of things some characters can do that feels like bs outside of heat, the hitbox hurtbox, hit priority, and lack of defensive tools. Heat isn't an issue for me. I'm rarely mad about something someones done in heat (a few characters feel cheap but overall its not too overwhelming of an issue). Power crush and parry helps get around a lot of bs, but i wish parry wasnt nerfed so hard.

@wendeezy456

3 ай бұрын

The parry part. They need to make it like Tekken 7. Full combo for a low parry instead of a half combo

@elbandito2990

3 ай бұрын

@@wendeezy456 no they dont. You shouldnt be eating 50+ damage because your little -7 on hit 13 damage low was parried.

@VarsityAthlete04

3 ай бұрын

​@@elbandito2990cook

Tekken 7 was the first tekken that I played more in depth than casually, learning about frames, homing, 5050, oki etc. You're speaking on things I've been feeling and experiencing without the technical language to express it. Azucena's jailing moves, forced 50/50s, Dj's overpowered heat smash, Victors tracking explosion, and FENG!!! oh my god feng, it's definitely not balanced, definitely more restricted in play styles and options. i've been feeling it not knowing what it was.

The Tekken talk soon is gonna really show the direction they want to go.

Fully agree. Im yoshi main and the character can be played on different ways. I play more defensive and trolly style. But this game does not allow it, you have to buldoze the opponent or he will. Tekken part is dead. Only heat. It needs major nerfs, or im back to t7

@ovaryoats5056

3 ай бұрын

what do you mean ''trolly'' style do you play just to piss off the other player?

@clarkierubbs5819

3 ай бұрын

Unga bunga style ​@@ovaryoats5056

i still enjoy t8, but i'm not enjoying what namco is doing to tekken's reputation

I totally agree. I started playing fighting game cause of SFIV and i was having a blast playing so many different characters, Hugo, Seth, Makoto, Decapre etc it was so fun back then

I see your points and respect your opinion, but as a rushdown player I love how the heat system. Yeah I agree it needs some balancing, but I'm gonna enjoy forcing my opponent into nasty mixups until it changes.

I kind of agree with Arslan. The real issue isn't heat it's the balance. Check Knee vs Arslan in T7 vs T8. These 2 had equal skill to win so each round in T7 came down to the wire and tournaments were lit. In T8 they did a FT10 where Arslan Victor murdered Knee's Bryan who switched to Dragonov and proceeded to murder Victor. Each match was a clear stomp on the weaker character. A recent tournament ATL held in Korea had 8 Azucenas and 6 Dragunovs in top 10 with occasional Feng. Low High tried using Steve a bottom tier nerfed to death character against Jeonndding Azucena a top 2 and got absolutely murdered.

@JohnGlow2

3 ай бұрын

Link? I actually would like to watch this

@666slateran666

3 ай бұрын

More like Arslan ASS

Chip damage is bs. MK has been ruined by it in the latest game and now Tekken as well 🤦🏼‍♂️

In Tekken 7, you had to actually take risk or be a Meter character to deal chip damage. The entire point of Ki Charge setups was to take a calculated risk to wear the opponent down. It is greatly aggravating that that sense of enhanced pressure is so easily placed across the board with little to no risk.

I really liked playing Alisa in T7. Poking, whiff punishing, stepping. Passive defensive style. Now in T8 she has spammable heat engagers. +17 mix in chainsaws. Start with big mid to force massive chip damage and +5 situation. Opponent can’t do anything to stop it. And plus frames + chip continues after it. And she can forward/backdash in chainsaws now too to chase opponent if they backdash. In T8 the optimal play style is to land a heat engager ASAP and 50/50 chainsaw mix them to death. They even nerfed some of her fundamental poking tools db3 and df1,4 to make defensive poking style less attractive.

@UmbraWeiss

2 ай бұрын

This is the reason I play T7... T8 is trash, balance and movement is trash, and I'm not even a pro to see this ... I quit playing this in 1month.... And I play 7 now ... What is trash is trash, and there is no way this will be balanced like ever, because they don't care and make excuses for everything.

One thing to take into account is T8 is the first Tekken that didnt have an arcade beta run. Vanilla T7 is wayyy worse then T8, were basically in the testing stage and the games gonna get wayy better

@BronzeAgePepper

3 ай бұрын

they should've cooked for way longer if that's the case. this is a trend I really hate with modern games that's been going on since the prior console generation, "we gotta release right at this point of the fiscal year to maximize sales figures, then we can release the actually-finished product people paid for in a post-launch update"

And Bamco deserves the backlash,they ignored the rage quitters for months but they were really quickly to introduce the garbage "Tekken shop" which is nothing but a vulgar micro-transaction measure. Now they are banning modders because Bamco sees them as a threat to their cash cow "shop",they are making the same big mistake that Crapcom did by making modders their enemy a few months back.

I’m not gonna be too pissed about balance until an official balance patch because again this is the first time we had tekken on console first and we haven’t had any major tournament results for the game just yet so I’m not gonna be mad, what I am mad about though is the fact I paid $70 for the game but now I’m getting f2p elements like battle pass and such

I miss from tekken 4 where you could do a recovery on a wall hit.