Russians are not like Germans who Will spare Sweden for its neutral position. In this case it's the opposite.

@HistoricWings

2 жыл бұрын

The Russians have long memories and Sweden and Russia have had hundreds of years of conflict -- the Russians are notoriously unforgiving anyway, but the Swedes know deep down that they will be shown no mercy if a war breaks out.

@tordj2508

2 жыл бұрын

Hade ryssarna behov av Sverige så hade vi varit ryssar för länge sedan! Men nu väcker vi den ryska björnen, med flygningar över Rysk mark, vapen gratis till Ukraina o Nato... Dags o vakna???

@koff41

2 жыл бұрын

Kom igen DAvid varför har du ett sådant hat. Fan jag har inte det trots att jag har mer skäl än du någonsin kan komma på. David, hur mycket måste du googla innan du svarar; hoppas du minskar tiden radikalt!

@koff41

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistoricWings most is Swedens own actions but i you don care to find out, easy going boy!

@freudenberg101

Жыл бұрын

Sweden is only neutral on paper, and Russia knows that. Germany spared sweden for other reasons.

What a well researched channel, bravo. Even the photos match pretty much exactly, no glaring errors, though some small points are debatable. Keep up the good work, you have a new subscriber!

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that! Yes, there are many things in history that are documentable but also involve opinion. There is so little published about the Swedish Bomb that I decided to undertake a rather extensive project on this. The bulk of the information is from Swedish government sources, mostly from filings with the IAEA. Often, they write something that is quite important, but with a dry tone that tends to lead one into not thinking too deeply on the topic. The rest is a logical rendering of the story into the context of the times, which is also something that has never been done -- connecting the dots, so to speak.

Excellent video, with measured and well-researched yet surprising content. And thank you for applying a deliberate, enunciated pacing to your narration. Too many KZread videos are shrill and shouty! I’ll be awaiting the sequel with interest!

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment! I am working steadily on improving with each video -- the narration is the key area where I'll be focusing, probably for months to come, if not for years. I am glad you liked it! Part 2 is coming soon.

Damn, I have been down in that nuclear reacton for a theater play, had no idea there was history with a nuclear bomb there.

@HistoricWings

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is underground, in every sense of the word. These two videos were deeply and extensively researched. The compilation of information is unique in its depth and accuracy. The most amazing thing, however, is not that it happened, but that so few people know about it. And, no doubt, it will soon be happening again.

@frida507

2 жыл бұрын

What is the name of this underground venue?

@applepipe

2 жыл бұрын

@@frida507 Its called "Reaktorhallen R1, KTH." I think, we saw Kafkas Arkiv, highly recomment if they still play. Saw it this winter.

@frida507

2 жыл бұрын

@@applepipe Thanks! I will check it out.

Great story with solid research. I can hardly wait for part two. What a great channel. Hopefully the subscription rate will shoot up after these videos.

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Working hard on Part 2 right now!

TINY SWEDEN IS HUGE

@HistoricWings

6 ай бұрын

One of the strongest military powers in the 1970s and 1980s; since then, the country has enjoyed the "peace dividend".

Sweden is not a tiny country in Scandinavia, it is the biggest.

@HistoricWings

7 ай бұрын

I can see how you would interpret that as there is a double-meaning -- I meant small compared to countries like Russia, Canada, the United States, etc. By good coincidence, I know a little bit about Sweden as I live here.

1 nit-pick, Flygvapnet was in the mid 50s somewhere around place 4 or 5 in it's size (available air craft/pilot/mechanics etc.) The only larger ones was the soviet ones, USAF, RAF and armée de lÁir That power was basically to able to tell anyone who want's to operate in the balitc: your movement here is only if WE allow it.

@HistoricWings

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Excellent work. Best wishes. Looking forward to your next.

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Production is well on its way -- a lot of research has gone into this and Part 2 has advanced very far along. I will publish it very soon.

To qualify as "the 4th largest nuclear power" Sweden would have had to have hundreds of nukes, those 6 nukes mentioned would literally put it at the bottom of the list and on par with South Africa, who also had about 5-10 nukes but kept them disassembled and later completely did away with them.

@HistoricWings

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree -- though it was that "on paper", with the potential number of bombs that could be assembled on short notice quickly at one point in the timeline.

Proud to be a KTH graduate!

@HistoricWings

7 ай бұрын

I imagine you visited the underground area a few times!

@kazomazo6646

7 ай бұрын

@@HistoricWings yes l did. I would visit it again too. Sweden should have never abandoned it's nuclear weapons program.

Ikea bomb (not a plushie)

@HistoricWings

9 ай бұрын

Shipped disassembled; all you need is this cute little tool to put it together! Hahaha

6:40 The primary post war bomber would not be the Saab 17 but the twin engine Saab 18; more in line with the B-25 or the Ju-88 and developed during the war.

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment -- that is also true, the Saab 18 is another older design that dated from the Second World War. it featuring twin reciprocating engines (propeller-driven) and had a typical high cruise speed of only 300 knots. It remained in service until the 1950s. The overall point is that Sweden did not have a frontline bomber capable of penetrating Soviet air defense. That point remains valid. More details on the outdated Saab 18: It could carry up to 1,400 kg of mixed bombs and rockets. The actual maximum load on the two center-mounted hard points was just 600 kg (at maximum load, it carried two 600 kg bombs, then the rest of the load was in wing-mounted rockets), which fell short of the 800 kg projected requirement for the Bomb. Bottom line -- it couldn't carry the bomb that was being developed either and, even if it could be modified to do so, would have been an easy target for Soviet jets.

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

And I so appreciate the knowledge that you bring to the discussion; contributions from well-informed subscribers are absolutely wonderful! Keep it coming! Thank you!

Great work!

@HistoricWings

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! These two videos required almost a month of in depth research, double checking facts, and validating all of the findings. It is timely to share the actual picture of what Sweden did -- and can (and probably is going to soon) do again.

Great video! Thanks

@HistoricWings

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! It is very extensively researched and every claim made is validated based on the historical record.

Sweden would have been a lot cooler if they did

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure whether Sweden would have "cooler" or not, but it is a really great country to live in.

To call it a "basement" is to belittle it, if that's your intention you've succeeded. It's called Reaktorhallen = Reactor-Hall, and it is 25 meter below ground at the "KTH" Royal Technical Highschool (correctly translated) side note/, they themselves have translated it to, "Royal Institute of Technology" which is a little weird, since the acronym would be RIT or RIOT (the latter would be funny)

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Again, not an insult.

@JH-lo9ut

Жыл бұрын

The reactor hall is impressive, 25 meters down into the granite bedrock and it is more or less right below the KTH, under an adjacent building across the street. Considering it's a frickin' nuclear reactor, it is a small facility. I mean, the subway stations in that part of town are also blasted out of solid rock, and those are huge by comparison. They managed to build and operate a working nuclear reactor in a cavity under some student's cafeteria or whatever is in that building. The entry from the street to the facility is literally an unconspicious staircase down to a basement where you find two huge elevators that lead down to the underground. It is like a secret bat cave. -with a nuclear reactor. I've been to the Ågesta nuclear reactor too before they dismantled it. That would be the other cold war-era, secret Underground reactor in Stockholm (because of course there was) That whole facility is also blasted into the bedrock. Ågesta is many times larger than R1 When I was there in the 90's, everything was left as it was when they shut down the reactor. It was awesome! Today, all equipment have been dismantled in R1. They use it for plays and concerts and art exhibitions. R1 now houses the famous Wurlitzer film theatre organ from the old "Skandia" movie palace. The organ is a marvel of electro-mechanical engineering and has a full set of mechanical sound effects to be played with silent movies.

@RaXXha

7 ай бұрын

Royal Technical College, not high school. 😅High school is for teenagers, what we in Sweden call Gymnasium.

@thelastswedishviking

7 ай бұрын

@@RaXXha KTH ! i didn't name it ! just translated !!

@RaXXha

7 ай бұрын

@@thelastswedishviking That's what I'm saying, you translated it incorrectly. Högskola translates to college, not high school. 🙂

ah yes, the blue and yellow painted "500 kg brandbomb m/58"-incendiary bomb

@HistoricWings

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it is from the display that the museum set up at Linköping -- I am aware that it is not the actual bomb as is the museum itself.

I'm not 100 % sure but I think you exaggerate the role of the R1 reactor in the Swedish nuclear weapons program. As far as I've read, the burn out rate of the fuel in R1 was too high to make weapon's grade plutonium. It produced plutonium for sure but I don't think it was usable in a nuclear bomb. The fuel from R3 in Ågesta on the other hand would have been more suitable for that.

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the process was developed there and then improved generations of reactors were designed and built to produce the necessary volume of plutonium. I hadn't realized that I didn't make the entirely clear. Thanks for pointing it out.

We should have gone through with this, but it was most likely replaced with some agreement with the US..

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Most likely, yes. And certainly now. Even before the formal accession of Sweden into NATO, the organization has extended the defensive umbrella to include the country in the alliance.

I guess you forgot about the SAAB B18, a larger two-engined bomber. It was more suitable for a bomb.

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning that -- yes, I did leave that out of the video. Thanks for pointing it out! Nonetheless, it would have been too slow to "get the job done".

I'd say you have pretty good prounanciation, atleast compared to others 😂❤

@HistoricWings

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Well, we got the American nuclear umbrella in exchange. So its on the up and up..

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

It was a good trade at the time, one that stood the test of time.

Tage Erlander was PM until 1969 and his successor was Olof (not Olaf) Palme.

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Thank you -- yes, concur on both points. The subtitle spellings were also correctly spelling his name. It is likely that my American pronunciation is off, however.

@Wannes_

Жыл бұрын

​@@HistoricWings Why would carrying a nuke externally be a thermal problem ? Obviously, it reduces range. But so does flying around Mach 2 - and going that fast with bulky external stores is doubtful. US tactical nukes have been, and are carried externally to this day on the F-16 and on the F-104 before that. They don't cook-off.

Interesting. I had no idea.

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Most Swedes don't even know the details of this -- or that Olof Palme was essentially the "Father of the Sweden Bomb". That puts a whole new spin on his as yet unsolved murder.

@JonathanLundkvist

3 жыл бұрын

@@HistoricWings They did claim to solve it last year actually. The entire thing put a new meaning to the word "anti-climatic"

@frida507

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonathanLundkvist Yes, anticlimax is a huge understatement...

Imponerande Thomas

@HistoricWings

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, good sir!

@frida507

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistoricWings Är du svensk?

@tordj2508

2 жыл бұрын

Svensk? Borde ju höras uttav uttalet att döma?? KTH = Kow Teh How 😂😂

@frida507

2 жыл бұрын

​@@tordj2508 ;D Den stavningen ser ut som skånska alternativt en asiatisk kampsport. En engelsman tex borde väl säga Kei tee heitsch. No offense till vieoskaparen - mycket bra video och engelska!

Omg hope Sweden will find its way back :(

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I understand the comment, though I will add that Sweden considered restarting its nuclear weapons program, but the cost was very daunting and the timeline was long -- at least a decade of work would be required. An easier path forward (and one with less controversy) was to join NATO, which would place Sweden under the combined NATO nuclear umbrella, thus eliminating any need for Sweden to have its own retaliatory response.

@kristofferhellstrom

Жыл бұрын

Sweden didn't finish their nuclear program.

@johanmetreus1268

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricWings according to Wilhelm Agrell, Sweden ended up under USA's nuclear umbrella anyway, as Washington wasn't too keen on nuclear proliferation in Europe among countries not part of NATO or WP, as that was seen as a risk for nuclear war unrelated to NATO spreading into NATO territory and thus triggering a major war. It should also be noted that the Atomic bomber preceded 37 Viggen, though the latter drew experience from the former.

Could the free peoples movement channel add something to the pot?

@larryotter6790

2 жыл бұрын

I can add Lise Meitner and the town of Ljungaverk close to Sundsvall where nobody wants to live anymore....

@HistoricWings

2 жыл бұрын

There are costs to nuclear power, nuclear weapons development, and nuclear... pretty much everything nuclear.

We test blowed some nukes Here in the 60ys.

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Sweden's secret past always fascinates us all! So much done, but in a very Swedish way always very quietly.

@kjelllindberg6987

Жыл бұрын

We did do some practical nuke simulations in the field with conventional explosives. That is a rather different thing. No nukes has be detonated on any purpose related to Sweden or Swedens nuclear weapon program. So, I you still insisted - give us the proof thereof.

@pernykvist3442

Жыл бұрын

@@kjelllindberg6987 Det finns en sjö där uppe vid det gamla Anriktning platsen. Den fanns inte där några veckor innan!

@skunkjobb

Жыл бұрын

@@pernykvist3442 The lake Foajaure yes but that was created by exploding a massive amount of conventional explosives to study the blast effects. It was not a nuclear bomb.

@pernykvist3442

Жыл бұрын

@@skunkjobb Vi uppnådde den kritiska massan så jovisst var det.

I dont like it you are filling the video with a range of common aircraft that has nothing to do with nuclear delivery If your nuclear program has not progressed far enough towards miniturize the warhead so fighter can carry it you really need an ICMB to get one over to enemy territory if you do not have ICMBs you need a really good bomber and sweden had not mastered making the nuke miniature so it could be carried by fighters they definitely had no bomber they definitely had no ICBMs they simply had no carrier and the scale that sweden went about it would probably only yielded one single digit of bombs so they sobered up and got peece loving anyways this is in the wake of WWII FRESH in everyones mind. it might have affected their mind why they were even begining to try make one. the era 50s 60s the nuclear scientists were crazy, they proposed putting nuclear plants everywhere. What do you think ? How about a nuclear plant in your city right in your neighbourhood fueling you with cheap electricity. is it not fantastic to have one so close?

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments -- however, the characterization that I am "filling the video with a range of common aircraft that has nothing to do with nuclear delivery" is incorrect. In fact, Sweden worked hard to develop delivery systems and these very aircraft were part of that -- on this, the record is absolutely clear. For instance, the Saab 32 Lansen was specifically designed to carry the SAAB "Robot-Byrån (RB) 04", or RB-04. While you may conclude that the RB-04 never carried nuclear warheads, you are probably unaware that it was initially designed specifically as an air-launched delivery system for tactical nuclear weapons. Concurrently, Sweden was working on its own variant of US Army nuclear artillery shells, which were designed to fit on the missile. That miniaturization work was not as successful as hoped, however. Ultimately, the RB-04 never carried a nuclear weapon as a result. If you watch the second video in this series, you will see more about Sweden's efforts to develop a delivery system. Ultimately, it wasn't until the early 1970s when Sweden finally had a delivery system in place, but at that time the bomb program was wound down and ultimately put on hold.

@MajSolo

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricWings maybe but you have to test that weapon to know you built it right. where are you going to do that? and what yields are we talking about here? and what could possibly be a suitable target? Leningrad? All other nations tested their designs. I doubt sweden could skip several steps, succeding with minaturization in one go, and have a working bomb without testing.

@MajSolo

Жыл бұрын

another suitable target could be an invasion fleet

@MajSolo

Жыл бұрын

BTW sweden is 3000 kilometers long so and a landing from sea is risky so sweden assumed the russians take the north route UNLESS the soviet marine forces in the baltic had nothing better to do then they might try a marine landing. the geography makes it absolute necessary to increase every fighters combat range if they going to be able to help out up north. and accedentally it also means leningrad is in range.

@MajSolo

Жыл бұрын

sweden idientified some possible landing areas. when sweden conscript army was the biggest we had like 4 armored brigades and then possibly 1/2 one also. The armored brigade I was in was going to mobilize around town Skövde and then move to a for the enemy >great Our brigade was the one on the move. Was another one in "Skåne" but it was pretty much fixed in position cause of great landing oppurtunities there. I am old now so I am not able to account for what the remaining 2 armored brigades was supposed to do or where they were.

Dust it off and aim it East, only thing that stops a genocidal tyrant...

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

I think that there are many ways to end a tyranny short of resorting to nuclear weapons, but having nuclear weapons does tend to give tyrants pause in their genocidal plans.

"It isn't a member of NATO" ... fyfan.

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Not yet anyway.

@sandercohen5543

Жыл бұрын

Att gå med i NATO innebär bara att sätta plåster på den vidöppna halspulsåder som är sveriges militär idag... Militära allianser av den här skalan är sällan effektiva, eller ens nödvändiga. Om ett fullskaligt krig skulle utbryta finns det ingen chans för nato att försvara samtliga gränser mot deras fiender, men ockuperade områden ska säkert bombas till småbitar, såsom britterna gjorde, när de "räddade" danmark från nazisterna. Om nu landet har fallit i fiendens händer, vilket man räknar med i branschen - så att säga - ja, vad gör det då för skillnad om vi är med i NATO eller inte? Striden mot fienden fortsätter i det ockuperade området, som om inget har hänt, för det faktum att det är ockuperat innebär just att vi inte är änderas fränder: Alltså har vi en gemensam fiende. Gemensamma fiender har alltid trumfat allianser, när allt kommer omkring. Särskilt om man kollar på historien. Något som man ofta gör i militären, vad jag förstår. Nä, att gå med i NATO ser jag bara nackdelar med. Att begränsa möjligheter för traditionell diplomati - sådan där som amerikanarna inte verkar förstå sig på. Det kanske är europeisk tradition, vad vet jag? Men ska man begå massmord här, då ska man iallafall ha casus belli, och ALLTID lämna dörren öppen för förhandling. Att gå med i NATO och låta amerikanarna ställa ryssland inför ett ultimatum låter som en jävligt dålig ide, och det tror jag att de som tar beslutetet är väl medvetna om. Tyvvär styrs dessa förhoppningsvis rationella yrkesmän av ytterligare en högre auktoritet; jubelidioterna vi kallar politiker, som bara är intresserade av valfläsk. Hurra för sverige! ...och rösta blankt, är du snäll ;)

There are not so much 'Sweden' left to defend. In a decade or so the majority of the people here will be other nationalities with different loyalties. Swedes voted for this development...

@HistoricWings

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment. These are deeply political discussions and I will focus my work in this channel on aviation history.

@danielfrisk925

23 күн бұрын

Snowflake racist