So to try and ease the potential backlash from those critical of the MCU interpretation of Spidey, I want to note that this video is not supposed to be a response to the circulating discourse. This essay is designed to be an independent holistic examination of the character, focused on the concepts of social connections and self-concept theory structured broadly with the monomyth. I've made other essays on the Raimi trilogy with an equal amount of attention, so yeah I'm not taking sides guys :) Harry's Journey: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6ubx66BXdGxgqw.html Peter's Journey: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hXeLqMeantG9YNY.html

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

@Spidemian And it will be presumeably more boring compared everyone else's videos, but yeah pretty much yeah :)

@TakaTheGamer

4 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best analysis ever

@captinchillin

4 жыл бұрын

This video is great but your use of language in it is a little whiplashy, like you reference fine scholarly works, but then in the next line you use slang(repeatedly) like "He wants to bang her" would it have been out of the question to just say because he's in love with her or he's attracted/infatuated with her? lol

@captinchillin

4 жыл бұрын

@Spidemian Just feels off to me, but shrug.

@katherinealvarez9216

4 жыл бұрын

I’m actually more of a fan of TASM. 😉

I also like how, in Homecoming, they made a point to show that Liz was crushing on Spider-Man, but MJ fell for Peter enough to realize he was Spider-Man

@rorisangpitswane3595

4 жыл бұрын

Sades Bieman underrated comment

@elishawilson1429

3 жыл бұрын

And MJ loved Peter as a person all along she was drawn to him it's why everywhere he was she seemed to always be there because she loved him so much and couldn't express it

@Cake-Goku

3 жыл бұрын

that means she could return as black cat

@ILikeSoda229

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cake-Goku MJ as Black Cat would be kinda weird, I think it would be better if the actual Felicia Hardy was Black Cat but at the end of the movie, Peter realizes who he truly loved the whole time, MJ

@Cake-Goku

2 жыл бұрын

@@ILikeSoda229 not mj, liz

I feel like the Black Dahlia necklace he buys for MJ is symbolic of the ideal perfection that you mentioned in your video. All throughout the film he keeps talking about this perfect plan to give MJ the necklace and tell her how he feels in the most romantic setting possible (the Eiffel Tower) But in the end the necklace gets broken and he ends up confessing his feelings on a bridge surrounded by wreckage from his fight with Mysterio. But he still ended up getting with MJ because she liked him for who he is, faults and all. He never had to be the perfect romantic partner. Case in point: Peter: I'm sorry it's broken. MJ: I actually like it better broken.

@tawelwchgaming8957

4 жыл бұрын

I want to like this comment..... but i also want to keep it at 666 likes..... but i love how insightful this is

@rainmaker2338

3 жыл бұрын

Damn well said

@TheUnderratedOrange

3 жыл бұрын

@@tawelwchgaming8957 wow so edgy

@FlipFilms7928

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUnderratedOrange you sure your not from the DC universe?

@turbotax7505

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

And this sums up why I will always defend MCU Spiderman against all detractors. Of all the live action versions, this one feels the most emotionally honest about the awkward struggles of growing up, which is as Spiderman as it gets in terms of theme.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, thanks!

@awesomesharkhand1876

4 жыл бұрын

I relate to this version of Peter more than any other Spider-Man put to film, except for Miles who is tied with MCU Peter.

@ariyatabassumabdullah1143

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Finally, someone who agrees with me.

@thatrandomfanpechette7060

4 жыл бұрын

100% agree

@thefreerepublicofadmiralpr2935

4 жыл бұрын

Johnathon Haney I too have a legitimate bone to pick with detractors/haters. I am glad someone too loves MCU Spider-Man.

8:39 That is clever. They positioned Mysterio similarly to how Iron-Man was positioned.

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

Which only makes sense, right? Quentin wanted to BE Tony to Peter and through him, the rest of the world. His reeking sense of entitlement made me hate his ass.

"When you're far from home, let the new frontier change you" Iv'e just moved cities and this hit me hard, but I needed it!

@dcmarvelcomicfans9458

4 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏

@benparrish672

4 жыл бұрын

Best of Luck in your new city

@jessecooper5900

4 жыл бұрын

@@benparrish672 thanks its going pretty well, pandemic aside

I really love this version of Spider-Man. He's not a perfect representation of the character but he nails the parts of Spider-Man that matter to me. Homecoming came out when I finished 6th grade and all I wanted to do back then was get out of Middle School, be an adult and drive into a more exciting life. Before Far From Home came out this summer, I was terrified of all the work and pressure I would face in high school. Peter's journey has helped me a lot in my life, teaching me about forging my identity. There's so much more I like about this version of Spidey, but I just like how when I see him, I feel like I'm looking in a mirror.

@madisonm.4535

4 жыл бұрын

I feel the exactly the same way. I have pretty much the same story except Homecoming came out the Summer when I just finished 8th grade and I loved it and then I was seriously struggling and depressed and just wanted to fast forward to College and my career and escape all the toxic people (who were bullying me in the backhanded way of behind your back or next to you in the hallway to someone else and pretend you somehow can't here them but you did and you have the moment of "did they just say that?" and before you can say anything and think "they did say that!" and think of what to say the moment to say anything is gone. It was a lot of the same bullying you see Peter face in Homecoming). Homecoming kind of became my safe place. When I was really sad and depressed I would watch it and it would make me feel less alone and cheer me up. Anyway those were the feelings and my stort and the point that I'm trying to convey is that I totally see what you mean and empathize because the middle school, high school years are tough. For some people the rough points are in middle school and for others its high school. Its rough and I get it and Homecoming is essentially the best movie for people going through that who need to connect and relate with someone going through something similar.

@boshwa20

4 жыл бұрын

When I mentioned in a comment section about all the things I personally felt were relatable to me in Far From Home (coming up with subtle ways to sit next to someone on a trip, cringy school announcements, the stress of working without breaks), there were people who practically looked at my personal experiences and said: "No. You're wrong" and then went into detail about how MCU Peter wasn't relatable. Like....okay? Good to see my life experiences aren't a valid source for you.

@madisonm.4535

4 жыл бұрын

@@boshwa20 Yeah those people are probably a**holes who lack the empathy to relate to a character or people in general. Just kidding but those guys do sound rude and I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Cause I mean of course this version of Spidey's relatable. From my perspective watching MCU Spidey that's literally me, but a guy and minus Spider powers and some of the origin story. Okay the point is that is me in spirit. I embody the awkward geeky nerdy person and that is literally my high school experience (again minus the Spider powers and super hero stuff). So clearly if we all relate to it and get it there are people who relate to it making it relatable. I don't know what those guys were talking about. They just sound rude.

@madisonm.4535

4 жыл бұрын

@@boshwa20 Me realizing after rereading your comment I thought you said relate to the character of Spidey and Peter Parker but you just said the movie in general. I still relate completely I'm just a bit of an idiot sometimes and don't read close enough. What I said still applies for the movie as a whole though (apart from the me admitting I'm the outcast nerdy girl, you can forget that part and I can hold up the illusion that maybe I am cool 😎).

@boshwa20

4 жыл бұрын

@@madisonm.4535 Oh no, I meant I relate a lot to MCU Peter. I should've said that instead.

I like how in that focusing on Peter's journey from boy to man, your thesis evokes for me a realization that most of the major MCU heroes started out their character journeys as what many people like to call "man-children." It actually brings into focus a bittersweet, but alternatively satisfying closure to Tony's arc, in that Tony even told Peter in SMHC that he'd hoped Peter would be better than him. By Peter growing up in a timely, even early manner, it satisfies the paternal desires Tony had for him, and even gives Tony a legacy of, however directly or indirectly, making the reality of superheroism better for the next generation and in so doing possibly even reconciling some of Tony's mistakes even after he's gone.

@podperson1744

4 жыл бұрын

That's a good point! Tony's greatest fear was being unable to protect the world and the thungs/people he held dearly. In "raising" Peter, he has ensured that future heroes will become better - I see Spider-Man becoming the new Iron Man, because other heroes will see his faults and struggles, yet he still comes out better at the end. Spider-Man will become a new pillar of the MCU, as he always has been in the comics. But I also think that older heroes will look up to him as well. I can see a scene when the next Thanos comes along, and every hero is down. But then a battered Spider-Man, with a costume torn to shreds, stands up slowly in front of everyone else. And then they rise. Doctor Strange. Black Panther. I apologise if I completely lost your point (I think I did), but i get lost in tangents when talking about Spidey. He means so much to me, and seeing his growth and relationship with other heroes is just... amazing.

I think people who dislike mcu spider-man forget he is still a child and is still very new at being spider-man and not perfect

@highlion8998

4 жыл бұрын

every spiderman is like that bro, the problem is that he is too stupid

@Zaylio

4 жыл бұрын

HIGH LION You mean he’s gullible?

@highlion8998

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zaylio that too

@mr.ditkovich3672

3 жыл бұрын

HIGH LION He’s gullible, like any kid is.

@savageshot3723

3 жыл бұрын

I dislike MCU spiderman because he is a child

the relaxing aura of your video essays are addictive

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow thanks!

Thank you for understanding Spider-Man far from home

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow thanks, that's pretty high praise!

@verbimu

3 жыл бұрын

this is honestly the perfect compliment to give... ditto ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

Yes! Finally, someone was able to put my thoughts into words. Whenever someone asks me why I love MCU Spider-Man so much I try to say something similar to this essay, but I always fail to. From now on whenever someone asks me that question I'll show them this great video essay. Well done bud, well done!

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow thanks! I'm really flattered to hear that I was able to add value to the conversation!

@melodramatic7904

4 жыл бұрын

I realized a long time ago that people tend to make up their minds about what they think a film should be and get really upset when a film is something different. I went into these films with no expectations and heard the message loud and clear (i do that with every movie really). However, since most "fans" were too busy looking for the film they wanted to see, they missed the message entirely. It's a real shame.

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

@@melodramatic7904 That actually might explain why the Raimi cultists have such a hate boner against MCU Spidey, which is completely undeserved.

@awesomesharkhand1876

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnathonhaney8291 It's exactly why they hate these movies. They yell about what they don't see but ignore what these movies offer. There are fair complaints about MCU Spidey (like the lack of mentioning Uncle Ben), but the Raimi cultists are married to the image of Spider-Man that reflects what Raimi introduced to them.

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

@@awesomesharkhand1876 I'm wondering if the subject of Uncle Ben will come up in the next MCU Spidey movie. It'd be the right time for it, similar to how Tony's pre-MCU past caught up with him in Iron Man 3.

Finally some guy who gets it! I’ve seen ppl say he doesn’t grow or iron man jr. He is having character development etc!

@SpFlash1523

3 жыл бұрын

Totally I know this is going to sound conversial, but IDC, I must say it. I believe Tom Holland's Spider-Man is the true, ideal Spider-Man that we all love, root, cheer for, the one we all can relate to, and the one we look up to. You can see it in every way Leo explains it. Stan Lee even said so himself about Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Yes, I do believe that Tom Holland's Spider-Man is the best there is.

I feel like people need to get over that this isn’t a direct comic book Spider-Man. This is a different version and I tbh I really like the new take. We will always have the spectacular Spider-Man show or Sam raimi movies. But we also have the mcu Spider-Man. They r telling a different story. I think we should just watch to the end to really judge it

@robl0xgamer258

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Another great video. Though, I feel like Liz noticed Peter in homecoming and suspect she crushed on him throughout the movie. But her main focus was on the decathlon and other regular school stuff. Peter just didn't notice it over his own emotions. The most telling scene for this was after he asks her to prom. You can barely see her reaction to it in the background. She kind of just stands there, frozen for a bit, before excitedly exciting the scene.

@awesomesharkhand1876

4 жыл бұрын

As a 14 year old boy who has never had a girl like him, I thought that Liz appeared to be flattered that such a nice person like Peter had such an adorable crush on her that she though it wouldn't be harmful to go to the dance with him.

@suntzupup

4 жыл бұрын

@@awesomesharkhand1876 That could be true. I'm just feel it in my bones that she was waiting for him to ask her. She admitted to knowing he liked her the entire time.

@chinuaalibatya7345

4 жыл бұрын

@@suntzupup. I mean let's be honest, Peter isnt that subtle at times

Overall, this is a film I nitpick quite a bit for eye rolly stuff (the scene where he’s photographed by Brad for instance), but I think is overall fantastic. You really feel Peter grow throughout it, and I think that Mysterio is honestly among the best MCU villains. Fantastic job as always!

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@MatthewFutrell

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously the two final 'fights', when Peter thinks he's telling Nick Fury about Mysterio's plans and the actual final fight, was one of the best MCU fights I've seen.

@b.amadeus1713

4 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewFutrell unpopular opinion: those are way better than Endgame's final battle

Don't you just love it when someone says something about someone and you actually saw that thing in the past and not just stuff being said to characterize someone that's the main character needs to live up to? Man, I love the MCU!

@arobarbie

4 жыл бұрын

i can’t for the life of me figure out what you’re trying to say here

@briantimkennedy357

4 жыл бұрын

holtz agreed, this paragraph doesn’t make any sense

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

@@arobarbie Simple...in most movies, when those kind of comments about somebody being such and such, we never see them and they can, in fact, be contradicted by that somebody's behavior. But in the MCU, you usually have one or more films where you can see how what's being said is the truth. Makes better sense?

@AnalyticalMenace

4 жыл бұрын

@@arobarbie Right?! I honestly don't get how this got so many likes.

@arobarbie

4 жыл бұрын

Johnathon Haney it does actually, thank you

Two things, first, I LOVED the video (fr great job) second, who else has seen that little deleted scene of him and MJ on the plane??? It was so cute and realistic and it lowkey pisses me off they cut it because it was great

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And yeah looking back, I totally wish I used that deleted scene in one of the black and white piano segments, cuz it's such a sincere little moment!

The Black Sabbath song? You're more Peter than Peter.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Errr yeah...that was totally planned! (Tbh it was a total mess up cuz I wrote that section last minute when I realised I still had iron man footage in final cut, but looking back on it I'm really shocked that it was timed well enough to sound to sound like a joke, so I'm just going to pretend it was intentional) ;)

10:54 Aaaah, I see what you did there.

@dupin9251

4 жыл бұрын

I admit that i thought he said that unironically for a second.

@thevagabond1314

4 жыл бұрын

Turbo Nerdo I don’t get it

@turbonerdo6838

4 жыл бұрын

@@thevagabond1314 Peter says 'Back in Black' was made by "Led zeppelin". IP said it was "Black Sabbath". The answer is neither of those, cause IP's referencing Peter not getting it and mixing up his Australian Rock bands.

@thevagabond1314

4 жыл бұрын

Turbo Nerdo ooooohhhhhhh I’m disappointed I didn’t get it sooner lol

👏🏼. I already loved these films but you helped me see them in a new way which made me love them even more! As someone whose always dealt with insecurity, I connect with the MCU Peter so much. I’ve also lost people close to me that I looked up to so the aspect of living in someone else’s shadow speaks to me as well. Seeing Tom’s Spider-Man constantly reevaluating himself and finding his place in this super hero world that is way bigger than him, and realizing that he indeed has the potential to be just as tall as the proverbial giants around him is such a beautiful thing to behold. Your point about him losing the connection to his ideal self by learning to internalize that view was great and I think really nails home the central theme of these movies. I for one can’t wait for the third film! Also I love how he beats Mysterio by learning to hone in his spider sense, something wholly unique to him, thus looking inside of himself. Small details like that are why I love the MCU.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's incredibly flattering and also thanks for sharing your connection with the character! :)

Mysterio: Uses CGI to use CGI HiTops: Wait, that's illegal.

@vikramprasanna8908

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh HiTops, the bastard who can't move on with nostalgia.

@fearingvirus4156

4 жыл бұрын

Mysterio: I use drones to make CGI stuff, that's literally my power! HiTops: yeah, the Mysterio scenes were cool but too much CGI Me: ...how do you still have credibility as a reviewer/analyst?

@dingkong5034

4 жыл бұрын

Mysterio: *I used the CGI to destroy the CGI*

@Whateveridksomething

3 жыл бұрын

@@fearingvirus4156 he does have some great videos, but he's just overrated and doesn't diserve that much subs, he doesn't dive too deep, even his great videos are about things that are obviously baf or good

@raymondmagtanong

3 жыл бұрын

hes not referring to just but to every action set piece in the film is just a cgi fest,pretty sure thats what made hobbit not so good

Another thing I also found interesting was why Parker didn't want to take his suit to Europe. He feels he needs a break, he wants to be a kid on his vacation and taking the suit just reminds him of his responsibilities, which also ties in with Stark. Stark gave Peter the suit with all these precautions and tech because Stark knows it's his responsibility to watch over Peter. The suit reminds him of his responsibility, it reminds him of what it means to be a man (that man being tony) and he doesn't want to be that, he wants to savor his youth and get the girl of his dreams(it might also be he's scared of dying, which is what happened to Stark he lived up to being Iron Man and he died being a hero). But he knows deep down he can't that's why he has that hesitation when packing. But outside forces are telling him he needs to grow up and that pressure takes a toll on him which is why he hands his responsibilities to Beck who he believes is more capable because he sees a hero in him...a man, but it bites Peter in the ass. So now after the grand finale, he realizes he needs to grow into the man he is afraid of becoming a Spider-Man. Loved this video man you earned a sub.

KZread reccomended me this randomly. Prepare for influx of a million views

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up! Although that's a scary thought though since I still haven't gotten over getting 20 views per view :o

Tom holland be like: yes. That’s exactly what i was going for

@MrJole777

4 жыл бұрын

Frulp lmao exactly, like it's not that deep

@lordtachancka509

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrJole777 well that's the beauty about films and symbols, they only have as much depth as you give them and there isn't a cap on that.

@johans3164

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrJole777 just because you think its not that deep, doesnt mean its a fact. whether something is deep or not, it all depends on the individual. if you dont find it deep, its cool. as long as you are aware that its just an opinion, not facts

@rainmaker2338

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrJole777 just because you dont understand it, doesnt mean we dont :)

Why is this video not more popular? This is literally *THE* best MCU Spider-Man Video Essay, and should be viewed by everyone who despises this character.

Great video! Some toxic Raimi fans and people that are obsessed with comic accuracy constantly bash this version for what isn't there, instead of acknowledging the pros of this iteration too.

@douglasjaramillo3151

4 жыл бұрын

People who are obsessed with comic accuracy and hate on the MCU, are much likely to have never read a spider-man comicbook in their lifes.

@horaciosi

3 жыл бұрын

*"iRoN bOy jR!!!"* 🙄

@backup-qg6nb

3 жыл бұрын

@@horaciosi Exactly what happens.

To think we almost lost him. Now I know why Tony couldn't let him go. This was a wonderful video.

I cannot thank you enough for making these positive MCU Spider-Man videos on the internet yet you aren't biased on it (i.e. the conclusion part of your video where you stated your opinion on Jon Watts.) Not to mention your voice isn't too high pitched or depressed, and with the calming bgms in the video really helps to soothe the feeling that this is calming af. Great job, massive applause to you.

In Homecoming Peter couldn't get a hold of his powers like his Spider sense he was scared to swing on skyscrapers he was afraid of hights in Far From Home he got a hold of his powers and so they had a final swinging scene he trusted his Spider sense so much so he has a phone while swinging great character progression

I’m a massive Spidey fan(played all the games, watched all the movies and all of the animated series even the ass new one but I’m on and off)and the MCU Spider-Man is my all time favorite Spider-Man adaptation, because it’s doing its own thing and not limiting the story to its source material or lore. People need to understand the comics aren’t always right lol they were written in like the 60’s, sometimes a change in narrative with the change in times is important. For example Tobey’s Spider-Man was a direct representation for the millennials at that time, heck let’s be honest Andrew’s Spider-Man was also a representation of the current millennials at that time, Tom’s Spider-Man is literally following the same pattern in representing youth AT THIS POINT IN TIME(a mixture with millennials but mostly focusing on gen Z). The reason why some people “can’t relate” or relate more with Tobey is because Tobey represents a whole different set of struggles that Tom represents, both portray youth in two different time frames and two different New York’s. For example, my older sister is a millennial and I’m a gen z and we had ENTIRELY different struggle(for some context I’m 18 and she’s 23). A loose example here(I’m trying to some it up so it won’t be as accurate):with millennials money is involved meaning getting a job and being successful etc-basically the physical adversity which causes the mental adversity(Tobey’s Spider-Man dealt with issues like this e.g. being poor etc), with gen z it’s legit about dealing with low self esteems, social isolation etc, it’s not to say we don’t want to be successful but success is second to mental heath and happiness-so basically the mental adversity affecting the physical adversity. Like Imma be honest when my sister was in high school most high schoolers wanted to be successful in medicine, business, law, politics, in my generation that pool of people is decreasing and more people are focused on the creative side of things, but mainly because we can afford to think that way, in the past you couldn’t. Long story short, as someone who was the same age as Peter when his tenure in the MCU started, and a year ahead of Peter at FFH, Peter relates 100% to the kids and youth of my generation, essentially we are all ‘Iron boy JR’ and initially a lot of us usually want to “be” like someone instead of wanting to be someone that people look up to, but eventually we find who we really are and do our own thing. Even the Flash Thompson is portrayed accurately, a lot of times rich kids are popular, not because they are athletes but because they have money and they “want to fit in” so they create an image for their self of what people or media thinks is cool rather than being themselves leading to them not having any true intimate relationships as all are pretty superficial-some have already realized this and others realize this later which is something the upcoming Flash arc is touching up apon. My school(like many others)has a ton of rich kids so I can confirm. The Peter and MJ relationship is honestly the TRUE portrayal of ‘nerd’ couples, it’s being so realistic, nerds honestly don’t give a damn about looks or status, they literally just want someone who like them for them(I’m affiliated with the nerds-I’m more like a jack of all trades so I’m affiliated with everyone but not in one certain social clique), the ideation of everyone wanting the “pretty girl” died a looooooong time ago and this isn’t only for the nerds, most people nowadays go for girls that are well rounded, not just admirable in one aspect. Again Ned is a true interpretation of how bro’s be nowadays. This entire team from the cast to how the school portrays itself is literally a almost uncanny representation of high school now. To end all this off, it’s ok to dislike the new Spider-Man but try to understand it within this generation and context and I guarantee you’ll see it in a different light, especially when you try to also understand the past Spider-Man in their different contexts and time frames and you’ll then have a broader understanding of the symbol of Spider-Man in general. Within each time period, Spider-Man will highlight on societal issues at that point in time.

I subscribed after this video. Not because it helped me get a link to send Tom-haters to, but because I was starting to hate him to. The similarities to Miles, the missed opportunities of Marc Webb, the larger connections Peter made to big heroes who have slowly become more irrelevant to other Spider-Man stories; I didn't know if "Summer before 9th Grade" me was just ignorant. Then I started watching all of these videos. The dissection of Andrew's/Marc's accuracy to Peter Parker, the literal nostalgia-bait of the Raimi's films (though good nostalgia-bait, ngl), Tom's/Jon's love of everything Spider-Man being reinterpreted for a modern audience. I've seen most of Implicitly Pretentious' Spider-Man videos now and I can't help but feel humbled. I don't really hate anything about Spider-Man now, I'm just invested in how else I can view him.

I freaking love the MCU spidey, my favourite by far. I don’t care what everyone says

Its funny how people complain that they want something new to their spiderman movies, but when the movies do something unique, its always terrible to them

@marlongarytan8595

4 жыл бұрын

They want something new that agrees with what they want it to be.

Damn right! I'm so glad someone's able to articulate why I love John Watt's Spider-Man movies even more than the Raimi movies. Screw you, Movie Bob! :-D

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

The Raimi films, good as they were, never felt right to me. It was hitting most of the expected story beats but it always felt like something was missing. It took the Watts version to make me see what that was. And yeah, on this one, hell with MovieBob.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow thanks!

@awesomesharkhand1876

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnathonhaney8291 I like both equally.

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

@@awesomesharkhand1876 No hate for that view. But Bob Chipman has gone WAY out of his way, mainly out of misguided nostalgia, to bash this version. I like him most of the time but that one is a bridge too far.

@johnsonjohnson3261

4 жыл бұрын

@Krillindude Dude... I thought I made it pretty clear. This video summed it up for me. I was never able to articulate my thoughts until this video. Just watch the video again if you still don't understand.

"bUt HE's jUsT IrOn MaN Jr!!!!!"

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

Christ but I get tired of that one. Yes, there is a moment in FFH where he's spouting techno-babble and the look on everyone's face is "OMG, he's mini-Tony". But this is the first live action version of Spiderman to actually depict him as a kid who keeps paying for his mistakes.

@nope5657

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnathonhaney8291 Calling MCU Spidey Iron Man Jr. is just so reductive. It utterly ignores the obvious character development and nuance of the films. I'm looking at you, HiTop. "Oh no Spidey has a mentor in Tony Stark! Out of character! Out of character!" Sorry, but if ya'll loved Spidey as much as you claim, you'd know he has ALWAYS admired his peers, sought their respect, and in many cases fanboyed all over them. In his first ever #1, he tries to join the FF for crying out loud. I think Marvel has done far better than I ever would have expected them to with Spidey. He can't exist in a vacuum in the MCU. And for all the crying about him not being in the MCU, you people get your wish only to bitch about it later? I think using Spidey to show how a fledging hero finds his identity in a world of gods, monsters, and super-geniuses in robot armor was a very simply and elegant solution for introducing his so late in the game. A big part of Ultimate Spider,-Man (a comic many fans adore btw) is this very aspect - Peter is brash and naive in those books. He's thrust into a world he doesn't know how to navigate and is always learning shit the hard way. MCU Spidey captures this aspect of the comics amazingly well imo. The entire point of his arc is that he's not Iron Man or any other hero. He has to learn to find himself and take pride in the fact he's his own hero and not worry about living up to expectations he feels he needs to. This is a wonderful play on "with great power, comes great responsibility."

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

@@nope5657 Well said...there's another aspect of the Tony/Peter relationship that gets overlooked. One thing folks forget is how Peter was Spiderman for six months before Tony found him. Uncle Ben had been in the ground for a very short amount of time and then here comes his personal idol into his life. Much like an incident with another Peter with the last name of Quill, it filled a gap in his psychology, only to lose it all over again when Tony died. It's what made him prone to Quentin Beck's manipulations because he was trying to repeat what had worked the first time.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Got me there

@nope5657

4 жыл бұрын

@Snehil Shrey Nah. It really didn't.

I've been getting pretty stressed out this morning, until this popped up in my notifications :)

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Aww well I uploaded it in the afternoon here in the UK, so I'm really flattered to hear that it had a positive impact on your day! :)

I Understand Your Point Of Peter Changing His Love-Interest But... WHY BANG?!

@patoloquend0

3 жыл бұрын

Because he wants to do that.

I really love your editing. It’s so unique, professional and refreshing.

What the heck, the best video essay I've seen all year. It's been a long time- thank you for saying what I could feel and giving me another gut-punch in the process.

this is such a great video. The editing was so great especially the clips of peter in black and white and the different fonts that highlighted key words. just an amazing video put the whole movie in a new perspective

It’s all an illusion... and that’s where we get to mysterio/ damn that was one hell of a transition

Everything in this vid makes absolute perfect sense. I love how in depth it is!

This is such a brilliant essay of Spider man far from home buddy! Same goes to your Spider man homecoming essay video! You sir really got mad skills at essay videos! I love the marvel studios spider man movies, but this and the Homecoming essay video, you really gotten deeper into the movies and I love it even more the best.

Man I wish HiTop would stop putting in his personal gripes into his essays, you point out stuff without injecting your own biases in.

This is unrelated to the content but damn bro your voice is soothing

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow thanks, I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe my voice as that 😂

i'm really glad and appreciative and just straight up thankful that ya created this space of mcu spidey lovers.... that by making this video about ffh, ya managed to make a space, this comment section, for people who actually love mcu spidey... to be able to safely gush about him & his journey, story, & films with fellow fans who care and like him for who he is as well...

your essays always are inspiring because you see things in movies i don't mental see as explicitly but I tend to get the undertones of it. you happen to put it into words and thats what i like about it because i don't generally know i know that until you say it.

This is a lovely video, I teared up. Thank you for making video essays, I love them.

This video gave me so much more insight into Spider-Man than I ever thought possible. Thanks for these videos!

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for watching! :)

I was tempted to subscribe to you at first when I randomly got recommended your Iron Man trilogy video (which I really enjoyed). But after seeing more of your videos and this one, you just earned yourself another subscriber good sir. Keep up the good work!

Watching your videos bring a sense of tranquility while listening to the main points

I love how you take films that I really really love and make me love them even more

nobody: implicitly pretentious: *snorts a line of coke* IDENTITY

Happy: You're a super hero. Peter: I'm a 16 year old kid.

@wholelottastairway8

4 жыл бұрын

"When you can do the things I can...but you don't...and then the bad things happen...they happen because of you." Peter Parker age 15 in Civil War

@bobpolo2964

4 жыл бұрын

@@wholelottastairway8 Yeah, he's an inconsistent character

@sofian1029

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobpolo2964 yeah he is a teenager

@MrJole777

4 жыл бұрын

Sofia N doesn't mean that it should throw this tiny character growth away. Sometimes i think watts didn't even watch civil war to begin with.

@MrJole777

4 жыл бұрын

Damaged Heroes But yet everyone defends this writing because , well i don't even know...

Honestly really good video, I really enjoyed your view on the MCU spiderman. This is the first video ive seen of yours and now it will be the first of many, thank you for getting me threw this couple of weeks.

I just discovered you and I have to say you make beautiful videos. Specially I love the black and white moments and the essence of art you give. You have taken all this underlying splits of the movie, which I think most people oversee because its a mainstream movie. You have taken the thoughts and words I experienced when I first watched the movie.

Thanks, I cried. It's absolutely marvelous to see videos intend on explore the movies without being a direct "critic" of all the things they didn't like. I like the movies, but usually I don't have the enough knowledge to explain why and it makes me feel... stupid. But there is a reason, even if I don't understand it, and seeing the videos that exalt the themes and visions, is one of the best things ever. Again, thank you for this. (Also, it's a great study to me as a storyteller.)

"The black sabbath song?" Dude. It's Back in Black. That's AC/DC.

@X420Blyss

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm watching this on my tv and pulled it up on my phone just to make this comment.

@Tandor97

4 жыл бұрын

@@candlejumper3617 if that's the case, his delivery was awful

@Kbark3265

4 жыл бұрын

I know it doesn’t really matter but he corrects himself in the description

dude i subscribed to you cause of your actual understanding of MCU spidey and how you analyze it is really great. thanks for this video. you are awesome. keep doing this

I really, really, really appreciate your video essay on Spider-Man: Far From Home. Keep going, bro! I'm cheering you on. Oh, and thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and analysis upon this film.

Keep up the hard work! Thanks for the frequent video output!

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And don't worry, I'm not going anywhere!

I just recently discovered this channel (and why do we call them "channels?") But that aside, I have absorbed your essays on the Avengers Quadrilogy (Tetralogy) and the Captain America trilogy, and I have to say I am amazed at the level of thematic insight and contextual understanding you display in these videos. You have done NO less, here. Cap, Spidey, and the Avengers themselves have been favorites of mine for decades. I so greatly appreciate your lucid explanation of what makes the MCU version of these characters so great. Thanks for helping me to see the depths of what has been achieved in these films.

Finally another persine who understands thr MCU Spider-Man movies and it's iteration of Peter's character arc,development and his story,this video peferectly describes what MCU Spider-Man really is about.

Unpopular Opinion: Far From Home is the best Spider-Man movie. It just barely squeaked by Spider-Man 2 for me.

@marlongarytan8595

4 жыл бұрын

Is that an unpopular opinion though? It's certainly controversial but I've seen a couple of people put it as their number one spidey film.

10:54 This better be a joke like in the film

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Errr yeah.... (Tbh it was a total mess up cuz I wrote that section last minute when I realised I still had iron man footage in final cut, but looking back on it I'm really shocked that it was timed well enough to sound to sound like a joke, so I'm just going to pretend it was intentional) ;)

Duuude your editing skills are out of this world. You make me feel stuff man...

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The trick is to use sad piano music ;)

Amazing video, made artistically and with great explanations and analysis of the movie, well done!

This is a beautiful video. ❤ Love all the work put in. :)

This is an absolutely great video! Good job man!

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for enjoying it!

You are my new favorite video essayist. Your work is on par with Lindsay Ellis and Patrick H Willems, and I hope your (rebooted?) YT channel blows up accordingly. Your scripts are poetic on top of being informative. On my next opportunity I'll be patreoning you for sure.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's really high praise! And I'm incredibly flattered that you noticed that I had rebooted my channel secretly :)

Amazing video as always fellow webhead 👊🏻 love this movie age how you talk about spidey films my hero and yours

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! And hell yeah! Respects! 👊

Beautiful video man congrats!

This MCU Spider-Man is still a kid rising to become a hero

Thank you for an enjoyable video. Your insight is poignant and thought-provoking. Thanks for sharing 😄

Well done, you did justice to my fav spiderman movie ever

Oh man I adore this presentation!

Beautiful video man; as always

i kinda love this optimistic take

This is awesome. Thanks for making this happen

Spider-Man homecoming and into the spiderverse are my favourite Spider-Man movies but this one was also good . Re watching your video because your videos are really good man

3:41 "If you were to ignore Mid credit scene entirely... Then Peter Parker's journey is works" That's what I wanted to hear!!

Your Background score For some scenes works so well! Even better than Original scene!

jeez your videos stun me every single time

10:54 Did you intentionally say Black Sabbath instead of AC/DC or did you just pull a Peter Parker and totally mess up?

@johnathonhaney8291

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh, I missed that! Good catch! On a side note, isn't it remarkable how much classic rock is being incorporated into the MCU? Yes, everyone points to GOTG but Ironman 1 and 2 got there first with AC/DC, Black Sabbath and The Clash.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh it was a total mess up cuz I wrote that section last minute when I realised I still had iron man footage in final cut, but looking back on it I'm really shocked that it was timed well enough to sound to sound like a joke, so I'm just going to pretend it was intentional ;)

I needed this.

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to provide it then! :)

@zaidnava3728

4 жыл бұрын

Implicitly Pretentious well this is a surprise. I didn’t think you’d see this comment.

😭😭😭 I’m sobbing. This is beautiful!!!!! I knew I loved Spider-Man!!

Hello I've been watching a few of ur mcu videos and I 100% agree. People should watch more of ur vids because ppl are saying the mcu is just a generic mediocre franchise when yet it's more than that. I love how u see these films in a deeper way. Keep it up 😊

Wow! That was incredibly deep!

I have been reading Spider-Man comics ever since I was a kid. This is Spider-Man. My favorite Spider-Man movie is Far From Home. Also, yes, I grew up with the Raimi trilogy but I am not bias from nostalgia like hightopfilms.

I love you... The things you say always make me cry and I love it...

His self image seem to be expressed on his costume as well. His first costume, the simple matte sipderman costume is used predominately throughout the movie over the shiny metallic one he used in endgame. He reverted back to the hero he was when he first started. Like you said, he was recycling his old image, something that doesn't really fit him anymore. It's really amazing how many layers this idea fits into the movie.

Nice. You’re videos are always great 👍 :)

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for enjoying them! :)

I really really enjoy these

"when you're far from home, let the frontier change you"

This was like nice summer breeze beautiful and relaxing

Uncle Ben And Tony Stark liked this video.

Love the depth you were able to find in this movie. My main problem with it is its all too subtle and implicit. There is so much going on, so many jokes and crazy visuals, that we never get the chance to really notice and process this contrast and development you point out. With every other live action spider-man film, even including the amazing spider-man 2 and homecoming, there are times that really slow the pace so you can ingest the themes. But this movie speeds right by them, making it almost feel like the themes aren't that crucial or even intentional. Even though it has the makings of a deep coming of age movie, the pace and over-stimulation of the film make it feel shallower than any that came before it.

@chengkuoklee5734

2 жыл бұрын

Too subtle? Nah! Compared with Christopher Nolan's, this is open book.

@dppool456

2 жыл бұрын

@@chengkuoklee5734 Christopher Nolan knows how to slow things down to encourage reflection. He also doesn't make the basic theme hidden, just the further details. The 'Why do we fall Bruce?' line pretty clearly indicates that courage is a core theme of Batman Begins

Thank you for making such an amazing review on Spider-man and not shadowing Tom Holland's Spidey with Tobey Maguire as most reviewers do :)

Another great vid!

@ImplicitlyPretentious

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!