Could you imagine having a Royal against Quads and only getting a call…I’d probably go full P helmuth

@cial67

6 ай бұрын

Seems normal. What would villain call a raise with? You have to fold a king here if you're villain. So quads has no reason to raise here

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

If V wanted max value, he should have just check-called turn, and gone for a big x/r on the river, or just donk-jammed 3x pot.

@anthonysteen56

6 ай бұрын

@@cial67yes it’s the right move but Id be pissed and respect them for not shoving

@JollyRogerProductions

22 күн бұрын

Im always jamming quads on all boards everytime. I will lose my house here and live on the street.

Highly Informative video as usual bart. Enjoyed the tangent about equity denial with flopped trips vs pocket pairs. I will say knowing how the hand will play out prior to even clicking the thumbnail is disappointing! Save the spoilers for a hand as wild as this one. Gives much more credibility in real time as a viewer to your A-grade analysis of river being just a call too.

“I dnt think it’s right but it’s probably what I would do” 😂😂😂

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

I like his self awareness. Most people think they act in real time the same way they would upon reflection.

The caller left out a detail about the Bellagio caps changing. They did leave the 2/5 game at 500 cap and raise 5/10 to 2500 cap, however, they added a 5/5 1K cap in between the 2/5 and 5/10 games.

@Javis586

6 ай бұрын

Yeah but the 5/5 goes like 3 times a week tops and breaks after a few hrs

@yanmingzhang420

6 ай бұрын

Also the 5/5 game caps at $3 rake, and it’s running more regularly now.

@jarheads0331

6 ай бұрын

3 dollar rake for 5/5!? That's amazing.

@kzkilla808

6 ай бұрын

Exactly this

@ticenits1926

5 ай бұрын

Having a 2/5 and a 5/5 game seems to really be segregating the pool.

I played plo professionally for a few years. C/shoved a royal flush draw on the flop, ran into top set AA and didnt really watch the hand after that because the turn paired the board and I was multitabling. Realized after a few moments that I had doubled up, than I looked at the hand history and saw that I had made a royal on the river against quad aces on the turn.

I lost with quad aces in the most surprising way. . Had AQ and the flop was AAA. I was in the big blind and villain was on the button. He raised preflop, I just called. When I make quads on the flop, I decided to lead out thinking he may have a high pair, and he calls. I bet every street for value. I never could have imagined he could show up with a royal flush as played since I did not slow play at all. Worst part was no bad beat because I didn’t use both cards for quads.

Checkraise river bluff with Jd Jx or Td Tx on the river would be such an awesome tale to tell, though

Not jamming a royal flush on the river when you’re ONLY getting called by quads is a HUGE mistake by the villain.

@Dexerion

6 ай бұрын

They had quite a bit behind. An A may find a fold given how few bluffs there were on the Turn once the A comes on the river.

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

Or, we can bet smaller, and get looked up by boats. We have to think about our opponent's entire range. KK/QQ aren't folding to every bet here. What if V pitches out $400? Are we really going to fold a boat? What about if V polarizes and over-bets pot? Jamming is repping exactly one hand, hoping to get called by exactly one hand.

@sneakkyz3696

6 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris it’s called getting the most ev possible. Getting stacks in once is better than 400 5 times. I forgot the exact amounts but you get my point

@Matzes

4 ай бұрын

Noone folding quads buddy. Never. In no scenario. ​@Dexerion

@adventurek6734

4 ай бұрын

@@Dexerion not in a million years

I've been beat twice with quads by straight flushes. I remember the first time I had quad aces, and was so shocked I had to reload the hand to check it out! Having had these experiences, I too would have been cautious, but great read on the situation hero! 😁👍😎✌🗽

This reminds me of a hand I played once. Its not really relevant, I just like the story. I don't remember the whole hand history but there are 3 Aces on the board on the river and I have the 4th ace in my hand and my opponent bets into me. I raise. He seems annoyed, but never considers folding and says "I guess we'll see who's pocket pair is bigger", as if he knows we both have a boat but its a anyone's guess who is ahead. So he calls, I flip over my hand and he says "Oh my God he has quad Aces!". Again, unrelated to this hand, but some people are really bad hand readers, lol. Go for value!

What a fun hand and fun video :D thanks!

Hi Bart. They’ve added in a 5/5 game at $1200 cap. So there’s still a middle ground between the 2/5 and 5/10 games at the new caps.

Hi Bart, question unrelated to this video. What percentage of your content at CLP is related to preflop? Considering getting a sub today before your sale is over but I'm really only interested in shoring up preflop play, I would rather study with my solver for post flop leaks.

I can see and understand why river should be a call. But in the moment knowing myself I’d definitely go all in. So massive credit to the caller to not get married to quads

A lone 10 dianonds or lone j diamonds are also cards that ppl can have here and could get repping those as bluffs

Which is more important flatting to keep the regs in or raising and keeping the pros out?

I saw a royal flush and straight flush hand once one person had the ace king the other had the 9 8 the queen Jack 10 on the board

@hottuna7

6 ай бұрын

Exact same thing happened to me. Trust me, it sucks.

@johnathanreynolds1108

6 ай бұрын

I mean it sucks , but if you are at a casino and they have a bad beat jackpot you just won back your money plus more typically

@hottuna7

6 ай бұрын

True enough, but it happened to me at the Potawatomi Casino in Milwaukee, WI, and, because their gaming contract with the state ensured they would have no competition, they never had any reason to offer a badbeat payoff. So, no "happy ending" for me. @@johnathanreynolds1108

@tommygunzgunz5986

6 ай бұрын

That same thing happened to me in a 1/2 game at derbylane. No bad beat jackpot either

Nicely played by hero. He lost the minimum. Doubtful JTdd is going to fold to a flop bet, so really nothing hero could have done differently here, other than fold the river, which just seems insane. Maybe he would have lost less if he bet 1/3 pot on flop, then checked-back on turn, but I wonder how V would have played the river. As V - no way I'm ever going to check river, the way this was played. I'm going huge, at least 1.5x pot. Hero has nothing but boats or better here, when V has JTdd. Very very few players are going to find a fold with those hands.

@tims2927

6 ай бұрын

If I'm villain in that spot I think I'm betting overpot to polarize having a royal, the likeliness of getting paid off on an overbet is huge in that spot with quad A's

I think the case where you have the Royal that this is everyone's dream hand. Although in my dreams this hand happens at the final table of the WSOP.

What is our sizing with the nuts here? Should we be polarizing?

It's quite funny how Bart predicted what would happen by checking the flop

This was a fascinating hand. One thought I have is to question whether this is very different at 1/3 or 2/5 than it is at 5/10. As Bart is fond of saying "I've seen some crazy stuff at small stakes". When the action heats up here, something in my mind is how strong does our hero look after checking flop & now betting very small on turn. Now we get a small sizing check-raise on turn. Is it BS or "button-clicking"? Maybe so. On the other hand, what it turned out to be is someone who does not want fold equity, only value. Which is why I questioned if we see this as a small stakes play. My point is that if I had real respect for the particular villain, this might just be a fold on turn. On the river I simply agree with Bart, I don't think we can fold quad aces but raising does not make much sense. Therefore; I do not see any turn play as a clear mistake, I think it's player dependent.

@trucanes99

6 ай бұрын

Fold on the turn? Lol, okay...

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

@@trucanes99 First, I never said the turn was a clear fold. Second I said it was player dependent. Now why would I say that? Because I cannot find any value hand hero is beating. Laugh all you want. The problem is that I'm a winning player and yet I say things all the time people seem to think are funny or outrageous, but they turn out to be correct.

@trucanes99

6 ай бұрын

@@EllieBanks333 sounds like your hedging your bets. And really? Turns out your correct? You might think so but we all get it wrong sometimes playing poker.

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

I agree there's an added volume of "random nonsense" at the lower stakes, and the lower you go, the more nonsense you see. In hero's spot, at these or any stakes, I think I'm just c-betting flop for 40% pot and checking back on turn, which of course sets up a potentially painful decision on the river, with this runout. If V check-called a flop c-bet, and the turn went check-check, it's going to be impossible for me to fold to a big river donk. C'est la vie. At low stakes, V is going to have more Kx, Qx, over-played flushes, and ridiculous bluffs with "random nonsense". There's also the "3 of a kind on board makes it less likely hero has quads" sort of spaz-tastic bluffs that get attempted at these stakes. As played, if this were low stakes, I think most players are going to sand-bag a little longer, and make their big move on the river. Imagine V just check-calling turn, then donk-leading river for a huge size. How could we ever fold a boat or quads? Most small stakes players aren't good enough hand readers to raise the turn here for value with the stone nuts. They're more likely to worry they'll scare hero away if they x/r after turning the nuts. They think AT/A5 and Kx are going to fold turn to a x/r. Here, at these stakes, I could see V x/r'ing with some Ax holdings we beat, mostly just AT or A5, only because we checked back on flop, in a multi-way pot, so our turn bet could just be a delayed c-bet / stab with Kx. But once we call the turn x/r, our hand is pretty face up, especially on the river. Only because there's a slim chance V might have slow-played KK, I don't think we could ever fold quads here, but if there was ever a spot to do it, this would be it.

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris I'm with you as far as C-betting goes. I'd likely continue here as well. That said, I don't see hero's flop check as a clear mistake. As to the turn play, it's the reason I mentioned the stakes. If this had been 1/3 there is so much room for crazy plays that I'd be less worried. Or if there was some mention of villain being a LAG. But here at 5/10 with a respectable villain, I'm having a hard time finding any hands that X/raise for value. Even the ones you suggested, which would not really be "for value", are just chops with us. Keep in mind hero just has a dry ace on the turn, his jack does not play. Finally, the comments on this one are a bit surprising to me. Mostly having to do with going broke here. Which I assume means jamming river. I find that insane. I cannot find any hand that calls us we would beat.

The big question is how much of an overbet do you fold to on the river if your opponent open rips it. For example of he rips his 3k stack into the 2k you have to call but not too happy about it. How much to consider the fold on the river to an open shove ?

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

As played, following the flop checking through and the small turn x/r, I don't see how we can fold. Hero could have KK here, and V could try to rep the case A by x/r'ing turn and leading river with Kx to push hero off a chop.

@burkhartlaw1

3 ай бұрын

I think it always a call. Sad but true.

I seen the same hand just like this at the WSOP event I think in 1998

What's the point betting (horrible) turn while checking the (favourable) flop?

I folded a two card straight flush in limit holdem. I had 8d 7d and the board ran out Kd Jd 9d Td. My hand was a two card straight flush, but I obviously lost to the bare Qd. Two players got into a raising war on the turn, so I bowed out with my baby straight flush. Obviously, one of them had the straight flush and the other one was a moron who overplayed the hell out of the Ad.

I've lost with quads against a straight flush exactly once and it felt like shit, primarily because it was online with a massive bad beat jackpot (like $40k was the bad beat hand share) but only quads made with pocket pairs qualified and mine wasn't.

@whirlingdervish69

6 ай бұрын

that’s some absolute BS if both your cards played and they still didn’t honor it. typically it’s if both cards in your hand play on the board you qualify

@evadecaptcha

6 ай бұрын

@@whirlingdervish69 It was online, so it was automatic with the rules already defined. It was written in the rules as quads have to be a pocket pair, though I agree that's kind of dumb and should just be both cards play. I recall I had QJ with quad Jack's (kicker played). The other player had Qd9d with a board of JJJdTd8d (not in that order)

I feel like players forget to factor in the added value of calling the river in spots like this is to see the opponent’s hand. It’s all valuable information.

@ticenits1926

5 ай бұрын

Please don’t tell me you’re the guy who calls with the nuts because “ he wasn’t gonna call or raise anyway!”

What's sick is that hand WOULDN'T qualify for a bad beat jackpot in most casinos.

@MrRupertpickering

2 ай бұрын

Why not?

@jackcooke2327

Ай бұрын

@@MrRupertpickering lots of times the jackpot is losing with quads, and you need to use both of your hole cards to qualify for the bad beat jackpot. hero loses with AAAAK which actually wouldn't count because he doesn't use the jack from his hand, the hero would need AK in hand. Could work other ways like hero AJ villain KhQh board J-J-J-h-10h-9h. Sometimes for quads to count they explicitly need to be a pocket pair which makes it even harder to hit the jackpot.

I flopped Quad Queens and lost to Runner Runner Quad Kings. I had QQ the villain had AK. It was a Massive Tournament going into the final table for a Guaranteed 500K on PokerStars. Having this happen and NOT hit a Bad beat jackpot is one of the Worst things that has Ever happened to me. This hand just brings all that PTSD back. lol

@Trust_but_Verify

6 ай бұрын

AK qualifies for the quad (for bad beat) with 3 Kings on board?

@danielmeuler2877

6 ай бұрын

@@Trust_but_Verify for most casino poker room bad beat jack pots,,, no it probably wouldn't. But the Ace still does play. loosing with Quads is horrible if you Dont get a bad beat jackpot in general was more of my point.

So, on the turn, I think a bigger c/r is definitely a fold. The question on this raise is is there still enough there at 4:1 to call. Six QQ, six KK, 3 AK, 3 AQ, JdTd - 12 combos have 7 outs, 7 combos you're dead, or two outs to chop. Three combos to chop, and one of them can still beat you. Does he call all of those pf after a 3bet? Then what are his weak hands/bluffs with the c/r...KQ? Ac/Jd, Ac/Td? Does he c/r with those? JdJx? TdTx? JdTx? JxTd? any pair with a diamond? Anything? Nothing? Is he raise/calling utg+1 pf with JTo?? As villain, at least with JdJx, I block AJ, and know hero doesn't have the nut/royal flush...maybe I can make a K,Q or even AT fold? As far as the river, if I'm villain with JdJx, my only decision is whether I believe he has the ace. I can made a K or Q fold here. Doesn't JdJx, or maybe TdTx bet the same as JdTd on this river? (regardless of the C/R probability on the turn). As played, whether villain shoves or bets small, hero pukes in mouth and calls river (never raises)....but I think this can be folded on the turn when the c/r comes, even a small c/r. Drawing dead or way behind way too often...never way ahead.

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

It would be a tough fold on the turn at any stakes, but especially at lower stakes. Hero trapped himself by checking flop when he was way ahead, and betting turn when he's basically losing to everything in V's x/r range, except maybe JdJx/TdTx, which probably aren't x/r'ing often enough to compensate for all the straights and flushes V could have. Because he checked flop, I could see folding turn, if only because he can have so many boats in his range.

Barts got the dark side theme goin now! 💯

Would it be better for +1 to check raise the river?He knows you have a big hand.

Youll find the amount of players that fold quad aces on river check jam are perfectly balanced by the amount of players that would bluff jj w/diamond. Right? So fold and or bluff if you're in that .001%

The onky thing this video taught me was that im terrible and always will be. Im never not jamming here

@benjamintaylor8665

Ай бұрын

i would never not raise here..if thisis how i get stacked so be it. worse would be having the winner and losing value

@johnmaynard3463

Ай бұрын

@benjamintaylor8665 yup. This time he happened to be correct...but it's WAY more likely they don't have the royal flush. My biggest gripe is how sure they are that they have the hand ranges down perfectly. In the real world...people frequently take stupid or weird/unorthodox lines with all kinds of hands.

Pretty sick but he lost the minimum. I saw a straight flush over straight flush about 17 years ago at the Borgata in 10/25. The flop was 8/9/10 clubs. One guy had 6/7c one had J/Q c. Another guy had an over pair (I can’t remember the pair be he raised pre flop) and folded on the flop. I think this beat is worse. Obviously the lower straight flush got stacked.

As soon as the A hit the river, I went, “Whaaaat?!?!” in synch with Bart, and when the bet came, I was like pffffft fold?

Hero will just have to go all in - and do the same with just a K just to push the other K to fold (and get K to call with you have quads)

Played poker for 32 years and never had a royal flush

A single K can do this on River too, if Turn was a bluff check raise, i would just, iam almost at the end of Video, for me now comes hopefully a showdown :D ;) PS: nice hand

At Bellagio they added a 5/5 level with a 1k cap.

The ultimate "WTF can I do?" hand.

I was just screaming Royal on the turn. I wouldn't have wanted to call the $350 unless I had a specific "button clicker" read on the villain.

The 2/5 500 cap gets the tourists to play IMO

I really don’t get the logic in checking flop. You’ve got two fish that are cold calling 3-bets. If you bet small they’re not folding a Q, they’re certainly not folding a weak A, they’re not folding a flush draw. They’re probably not even folding some random gutshot. And if they’ve got nothing they’re not going to try and run a bluff.

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Hero trapped himself by checking flop, when he was way ahead, in a spot where there are almost no safe run-outs. I wouldn't even bet small on the flop. I might over-bet pot. The turn should be a check-back, when every logical draw gets there.

Bellagio needs to raise the 2-5 to $1k cap. They already have a 1-3 game for peeps that want to play a lower buyin.

@stevenundisclosed6091

6 ай бұрын

Bellagio is the worst poker room in Vegas, IMO.

@adamcopley8466

6 ай бұрын

At the same time they raised the 5/10 cap to 2.5k they also brought in a new 5/5 1k cap game, however I don't think it was very popular, not sure it ran often or if it did it broke fairly quickly.

I would have snap-shoved the river with the Royal, cause Quads will never fold and K or Q will never call. Betting 800 into 1000 is more of a loss than a win.

Like the idea of check raising river as villian, but I think I'd just jam for 3x pot. Is anyone really going to fold quad Aces? Maybe they should but I'd like to see them do it.

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

Jamming is repping exactly one hand, hoping to get called by exactly one hand. KK/QQ aren't calling a jam. A smaller bet is going to get called down lighter than a 3x pot jam.

@andya7964

6 ай бұрын

​@1vailchris of course a smaller bet should get called down more, the question is how much more? If you bet 3X the pot, and you get called 1/3 as often you're coming out ahead. My guess is you'd get called possibly much more than 1/3 as often. Jamming is targeting one hand (in the sense that it's targeting quad Aces) but it's really targeting any A-X the the hero 3 bets. There's a lot of combos of quads here.

JJ might 4bet pre too when there are two 3bet cold callers

There was a ton of value lost on the river by villain imo. Turned royal, your opponent called your CR so you know there’s a good chance he has an ace or a boat. River ace, I’m jamming all day because it’s just insane for anyone to make quads and fold, even if it is to a 3x pot bet. As the hero im calling and if he has the royal he’s taking all my money. Idk could be wrong, maybe a good player will find the fold in that spot. not me lol

@MikeJones-zu7cq

6 ай бұрын

I’m with you. Waking out broke but ok with it

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

If V just check-called turn, I could see a 3x pot donk-jam on the river. But after hero calls turn, the case A is actually a terrible card for V to jam. What would V's bluffs be, and what would V be betting for value? Other than Ax, what else can hero have that will call? Hero can't call a 3x jam with Qx, and maybe not even Kx. Sure, it's "polar", but V would be repping exactly 1 combo in a spot where he has almost no bluffs, hoping to get called by exactly one hand. Seems like V's bet size was intended to get crying calls from Kx/Qx, and possibly induce a jam from Ax.

@noamrothman6412

3 ай бұрын

Just check-jam the river. If they have quads they never check back.

At the turn could the villain not still have had some jack ten suited other than diamonds? And then at the river turn it into a bluff?

@tezztheseeker

6 ай бұрын

Not really because the call on the turn by the hero usually means he has an ace or a full house so probably wouldn't fold to the river bet when there are fulls and quads all over.. attempting to bluff EXACTLY 1 hand is kinda hard

When you say "bad for the game" do you mean for pros or armatures?

@skelthouser2730

6 ай бұрын

"Armature!" Lol.

I Folded quad 9's with 99 in the hole... $10-20... Stardard play- I raise $60 on the button, just BB calls. Flop K K 9... he checks I bet $90 into $130, he calls... Turn 9, I make quad 9's... he checks, I bet $200 into $250, he min raises to $400... His hand to me is very very polarizing (King where he is gonna show river 100%) after I make the call, pot is $1050... We both have around $1100... (this was on Party Poker 2006ish) River is K... Board is K K 9 9 K, I have 99 for quads... He jams his $1100... I type in chat, you won't believe this I have quad 9's, will you show??... I deliberate for the 20-30 seconds... Gotta fold right? I folded... There is no other hand I can put him on... When I call the min check raise on turn, he has to put me on a huge hand! Even though I have quads, it was a hand played like a 4 flush and the villian has Ace and you have King... Its like he isn't playing this way with Queen... Everybody I told says "you can't fold quads, I could never fold quads there!" But I say, the quads there is actually irrelevant, It'd be the exact same as AA,QQ... He either has the King or its a Pure Bluff! my turn call is telling him I have a king... The question I ask is "Can he really check min raise turn, and then jam river with a pure bluff? Any of his value hands here would have raised preflop.

Card room has a bad beat jackpot but only for the 1/3 game so this wouldn’t qualify. I rivered quads and lost to flopped quads but it was in a tournament so that also didn’t qualify. I call it a REALLY bad beat since I couldn’t claim the jackpot.

Well... at least he would hit the "bad beat" jackpot. 😂😂

Never block river in oppo's shoes either check or ob

Have to consider bad beat if that's a thing at the casino...

if they had JTdd, wouldn't they just want to jam river to target Ax?

I hope they had a huge bad beat jackpot.

Didnt happen.

@cardsharks5580

2 ай бұрын

You heard it here first, everyone. This guy says it didn't happen because reasons, so it didn't happen. Case closed.

please tell me there’s a bad beat jackpot!!!

I'm going broke in this spot. Given the turn action by V, I would never think a royal would check raise.

@ahaaha8462

6 ай бұрын

He really fucked up by that cr sizing

@trucanes99

6 ай бұрын

@@ahaaha8462 how so?

@timothyburke6949

6 ай бұрын

The entire discussion by Bart is bull. Of course you go broke and so would Bart. It's nonsense he didn't know the result ahead of time.

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

The flop checked through & hero's turn sizing is very small & villain is OOP. This is 5/10. Villain is trying to get $ in the pot. It makes perfect sense..

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

@@timothyburke6949 I did not know the result & the only thing Bart said here that I thought was even questionable was regarding the villains sizing on turn raise. I also thought caller/hero played the hand quite well. Only question I see is if we could ever fold turn. Perhaps you can enlighten me; how should I or Bart or the caller go broke here? Are you thinking you'd jam the river? To get called by what exactly?

It's baffling that such a small raise is still seen as "BS". I'm my experience, it's always a "dear God, please put more money in bet."

Lol when quads is a bluff catcher lol

The opponent is such a fish for not jamming or x/r the river

How much did they get paid by the bad beat jackpot?

9 10 d bluff

I was pretty sure the villain had a royal or nothing here so I thought a river overbet jam was coming 100%. that would be a much more interesting spot for the caller here. betting 800 is kinda nonsense imo

This is the first video where I learned absolutely nothing. Because my brain refuses to consider this hand is something that could ever happen to me. Ive just accepted that I'm gonna lose all my money if this ever happened.

would have won 10k at my local casino by losing this hand...i was real close last year lost aces full of kings to royal, need quads to lose to qualify for it

I'm calling massive BS on this video, first that Bart didn't know the result and second that he ever flats that river. Why are we assuming that the villain plays perfectly so all the combinations he could have aren't there or he isn't spewing.

@EfficientRVer

6 ай бұрын

There are situations where I'd say something like you're saying. This is not one of them. It doesn't require villain to be playing perfectly, or playing GTO, or playing any specific way. It just requires villain to not be a moron committing poker suicide on multiple streets. At 5-10, few people are that terrible, and when you find one who is, the first thing the caller would have said is "Villain is a moron who was throwing money away all night". People don't play decent poker at 5-10, and then pick the scariest board in the world, with both quad aces and a royal out there by the turn, to bluff checkraise the turn. And then bluff lead the river when the absolute death card, third ace, hits the river.

@Gibraltariano

6 ай бұрын

I could be wrong but I think someone else reviews the submitted hands for Bart to review live on calls.

@JohnSmith-nx7zj

5 ай бұрын

Villain can have other combos which is why it’s a call (and not a fold). But which of those other combos do you think are calling a raise?

the bad beat was hit at my caSINO for over a million in a situation like this.

quads is never just a call bart. idgaf im all in

Drink every time Bart says “some euro”

24:06 - If he had Jd-X and wanted to bluff, check-raising the turn makes sense. But the River has to be a shove to be a bluff. 99.9% of players with As-X will call $800 to win a $1.9K pot on the river.

@qazzaqstan

6 ай бұрын

I mean I feel the bluffs are made flushes on turn (with the Jd or Td) that then try turning their hand into a bluff when any connection to the board boats up. I agree with you that it feels like it would be a crazy play though because HJ range should have more AX than Ks and Qs combined and you aren't getting an A to fold.

@arcadion448

6 ай бұрын

@@qazzaqstan, it would have to be some sick reverse psychology to ever get quads to fold $800 on the river into a $1.9K pot.

@qazzaqstan

6 ай бұрын

@@arcadion448 agreed, truthfully even jamming as a bluff is an absolutely sicko move

Its not even a bad beat jackpot in most casinos either

Agree with this being a just call on the river.

What do we do if he overshoves river? 😂 Is there a bad beat jackpot?

Bad beat jackpot?

@bdo3043

6 ай бұрын

No because he doesn't hold pocket aces.

@speakinfaxonly21

6 ай бұрын

​@@bdo3043he just needs to hold AK here to qualify for a bad beat.

@Trust_but_Verify

6 ай бұрын

@@speakinfaxonly21 It still qualifies when K is on-board?

This seems like a very strange situation where the exact board runout narrows villian's value range to basically one hand. Maybe you can even fold this river? The small bet size behavior is one of those weird things that players do with incredibly strong hands.

@wiselettuce8715

6 ай бұрын

I agree with you, and i would fold any of my hands until that Ace came though. I don't think i could ever fold a quads, and you can callthat a leak.

@noahvanderven4686

6 ай бұрын

I agree as well. If hero doesn't think villain is finding the bluffs (which could be any pair with a diamond or even small flushes which realize they are no good by the river), and villain can't possibly have a K as played (only logical turn check raise with a K would be KK which also can be eliminated from preflop). This can just be a fold.

@1vailchris

6 ай бұрын

The way hero played this, it could look like hero has KK. V could be betting Kx here, maybe KQ, to push hero off a chop, trying to rep the case A. The small x/r sizing usually screams super-thick value, but could also just be V trying to find efficient bet sizing with a non-nutted hand. I don't think there's any way hero could play this hand and fold river. Even if he c-bet flop and checked-back on turn, V could donk-lead river, and we're still calling.

Got fooled by the both cards must play to get BBJP

Always bet your hand when you think you have the best hand.

Unfortunately it doesn’t qualify for a Badbeat Jackpot

I probably click river back to get calls from a non believing king. I think I get called enough by a king to make up for the rare j10dd.

nice, most people would have jammed. i think it´s just a call too....

On the turn he could have had a lower ace (A, 4 suited) and was no longer worried about the kicker w/ the K and Q on the board, and those hands beating him anyway.

That turn cr is reeking of value. I havent played at these stakes, but on that board the small cr screams of wanting value but fearing a fold.

$7 per 1/2 hour

Hope there was a bad beat

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

Jackpots typically require that both cards play

Fish story.

Somehow you lost the min. Crazy line by both.

No bad beat, just beat bad 😞

You give me quad Aces and buddy you're getting all my money or I'm getting all yours either way it's going in!!😂😂 Seriously though how often are quads really beat That's why they have bad beats like it doesn't happen very often It's very strong hand You should be trying to get all the money out of those quads every time you get them on the off chance that you get a bad beat well that's poker

@jdh219

6 ай бұрын

most bad beats dont include quads made without a pocket pair iirc

@AlbinoMutant

6 ай бұрын

I've made so many strong hands using a single hole card that ended up coolered that I am very gun shy about getting it all in in these situations.

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

But you have to get called by something right?

This is such an easy fold on the turn.

@nuklearwinter2892

6 ай бұрын

Ridiculously easy fold, I’m shocked to see a bet/call line on the turn even being considered.

This hand didn't happen

call and win the bad beat jackpot! you will win something either way.

To say this never happens is ridiculous, I have seen this exact scenario twice.. quad A's losing to a royal, and Quad J's also losing to royal... both times the quads had pkt pair. Me on the other hand, I have lost with Quads 3 times in my poker career. Hard to believe, but true. Don't ever think this doesn't happen. It's a long shot, but definitely happens.

This didn't happen.

@EllieBanks333

6 ай бұрын

Why not?

i don’t understand why people even call into this guy lol

I feel like the opponent could have hands like KJ, K10, KQ, and 10j not diamonds here. The raise on the turn could be sort of seeing where he is at.