Warrior doesnt need a buff because it has a debuff that no other tanks have called Healer Strike

@Staineless84

21 күн бұрын

Based

@cormeaga

21 күн бұрын

I don't think Warrior mains care for something they don't need.

@airraid1266

21 күн бұрын

Counterpoint: The Balance.

@OceanPolaris_

20 күн бұрын

Lmfao

@OfficialDjTalksick

20 күн бұрын

Dude the healers not healing me can eat a fat one 😂

Crazy to me that people say viper does no damage for the “effort required” when it’s currently topping charts and takes minimal brain power

@beckham3533

21 күн бұрын

if u wanna min max viper then there are some optimizations u gotta do but for most players, you just hit the flashing skill ngl LMAO

@kirifps

21 күн бұрын

@@beckham3533 Opti is one thing true lol, but yea your average viper can hit what glows and still top charts. Class is fine where it’s at, if anything it should get harder not easier

@rickmel09

21 күн бұрын

but RPR, SAM, and arguably dragoon take equally as little brain power while also having lower APM and easier/fewer positionals

@richardwallis9374

21 күн бұрын

People always complain

@kirifps

21 күн бұрын

@@rickmel09 Viper is only fast under reawaken just like how reaper is only fast under enshroud. I’d argue viper is THE easiest melee in the entire game to pick up and do good damage with. Extremely high DPS floor with a good ceiling for the people that do wanna optimize. Plus all your skills can fit into 1 hotbar..

Giving Reaper like 2983042346 extra potency in their 2min window shot them up. Shocker.

@yoyomama99

19 күн бұрын

Isnt it just one extra button for RPR?

@TheArnoldification

19 күн бұрын

@@yoyomama99 they gave existing moves more potency, e.g. their 3rd hit has almost as much potency as stardiver on dragoon now lol

@voidtalongaming4637

19 күн бұрын

@@TheArnoldification Yep lets just consider even the most BASIC 1-2-3 combo... True Thrust (230) vs Slice (420) Lance Barrage (340) vs Waxing Slice (500) Heavens Thrust (440) vs Nightmare Slice (600) Total: 1010 vs 1520 Potency. Not counting Dragoon also has their secondary set True > Spiral > Chaotic Spring which is 830 + 360 (+45 per 3s ticks) for a total of 1,190 Potency dragged out over time. Both jobs have marginal raid DPS with Dragoon getting Battle Litany, which still only gives potential returns by skewing up critical spread... versus a flat +3% Raid Damage or 3 potency per 100 potency from everyone in the raid. I am no math wizard but for the sake of argument let's assume they are actually even and Litany is not the worse one. They are both 20 seconds long. Burst/Capstones: Dragonfire Dive + Rise of the Dragon + High Jump + Mirage Dive + Stardiver Starcross + x3 Nastronds, Wyrmwind and Giers = 4770 Potency versus Gluttony, Blood Stalk, x2 Executioners Gibbet and x2 Executioners Gallows, x2 Lemure Slice, Sancrificum and Perfectio even if we factor Void Reaping / Cross Reaping being 520 and not the 820 Executioner Versions... I will have to admit I do not have RPR at max level... 5,150 if my math is wrong or 5,750 if my math is somewhat right. So baseline 1-2-3 Reaper is almost 55% stronger Adding up all burst abilities it's 8% on low estimate and 18% on other math. So yeah... I guess if I want to contribute more to a raid. Reaper is what I have to play.

@TheArnoldification

18 күн бұрын

@@voidtalongaming4637 Yeah, the potencies right now are out of wack, like to the point you should hace known x was too much/little even without testing. Thankfully dragoon is still good, it could be worse like the travesty that is 7 0 black mage lol

@TheTerrorofDeath23

18 күн бұрын

I was so happy being a reaper main seeing the buffs

I can't wait for them to increase glare potency without increasing misery potency

I dont understand when people say a job is too hard for them. Just don't play the job. If a job is hard because you can't adjust to the playstyle, or the damage sucks, that's at least a matter of opinion. When you're actually fighting the game to get the job to play the way it's intended to be played, that's when it's a problem

Warrior does not need a buff, unless you buff it's dmg and nerf the shit out of it's sustain. DARK KNIGHT STILL NEEDS SUSTAIN

@ikecampbell2221

19 күн бұрын

Yeah somehow Abyssal Drain still sucks 💀

@HowlingDoom

18 күн бұрын

​@@ikecampbell2221 Please SE, make Abyssal drain good.

@ApexGale

17 күн бұрын

it's especially funny because in the FF games that's literally what DRK does - spend health to do damage, then recover that HP with spells. and yet it has like 1 sustain ogcd

@AzureRoxe

12 күн бұрын

@@ApexGale In many of the FF titles that Dark Knight exists, it's not a tank. So now it NEEDS that iconic sustain.....but somehow Yoshi P has looked at them and gone "nah".

@luminusprime

3 күн бұрын

@@ApexGale it's still suffering from the original design being a ripoff of WoW's Unholy Death Knight, back when all three DK specs could half ass tank. They should have fixed it in the rework, but DRK can't even get its mobility skill in MSQ roulette 😂

black mage in shambles. No but real talk I haven't played Picto yet since I am doing MSQ as tank, but I swear their burst damage is insane. I'm always getting aggro taken away from me by Pictos when I run between packs.

@MrXxsnipesXx

17 күн бұрын

Man i thought i was going crazy. I was doing all i normally do and i STILL lost aggro lmao

@Zadka233

14 күн бұрын

Summoner can and did do that as well back in EW, I feel its less of the damage, and more that the burst is on demand at the start of their combos with no strings attached, though Picto is beating out melee DPS's, so its probably both their kit, and their dps.

Going off the latest update, they're probably just going to buff BLM. BLM should be at least doing as much damage as PCT is.

@relaxxed_

21 күн бұрын

I feel like BLM should do the most DPS if played optimally. It is a very tough job to play, and the limited movement should be rewarded with high dps

@waterscape8198

21 күн бұрын

should be doing more than PCT it's not even a question.

@waterscape8198

21 күн бұрын

@@relaxxed_ exactly one small mistake on blm and it's a huge dps loss , i don't think people understand how hard is it to play BLM correctly in difficult raid content. PCT shouldn't even come close to BLM dmg , they better fix that stuff asap or i'm raiding on RDM this whole expension

@DarrellMontrice

21 күн бұрын

@@waterscape8198 Truth is most of these "famous" blms are doing their videos months after progs over in full bis with a hundred kills in the fight and the entire thing mapped out. 90% of them are just detrimental dance partner chasing trash.

@soldierorsomething

20 күн бұрын

Maybe the BLM dmg sucks because they still havent done the fight 100 times as an black mage

BLM getting gutted hurts my soul. Why did they do that to it 😂😭🤣

@miniguylad2827

21 күн бұрын

Something I noticed is that most of the jobs got potency increases to several important damage skills but BLM only got increases to their dot and fire/blizzard 3 which isn't the most important for BLMs damage. My guess is that BLM had a decent gap in damage in Endwalker and they were scared about doing the same increases but now that the numbers are out they see they held back too much. BLM potency increases are coming in 7.05 so I think the damage output after that will likely be similar to picto

@Jay-mx5ky

21 күн бұрын

@miniguylad2827 it's because blm gets a universal buff via the Enochian trait. That's how they have worked for a couple expansions. The new enochian went from 23% buff in endwalker to 30% buff in Dawntrail. They likely are gonna just buff enochian and not touch most of the pure BLM potencies like they usually have done.

@miniguylad2827

21 күн бұрын

@@Jay-mx5ky the lodestone mentions they'll be making adjustments to "action potencies" so I don't think it'll just be an enochian change as enochian is a trait. Unless "action potencies" is code for enochian somehow. We'll have to wait and see

@Paandaas

21 күн бұрын

Yoshi P was too distracted playing Elden Ring DLC to make sure his favorite class is strong

@Some.Legend

20 күн бұрын

Because Yoshi-P switched to Pictomancer 🤣

Honestly? I want to see them buff things rather than nerf things.

@Forever18or21

20 күн бұрын

knwoing SE they gonna nerf it lol

@DanBurtonCodes

17 күн бұрын

So then they buff enemy hp bars too and it ends up being the equivalent of a nerf

They need to just decide on what DRK is, Is it the number one DPS burst Tank alongisde GNB or are they going to homogenize all the tanks and give DRK regen. I'm tired of them walking the tight rope and not giving DRK an identity.

@ryanrobby2

19 күн бұрын

Exactly this. DRK has been my fav tank since forever but it sucks to play it cause it's just been budget warrior for ages, without any of the actual healing abilities.

@neoh7939

19 күн бұрын

idk how to feel about drk to be honest, for hard content the mit is so good. but then you do a dungeon and you wanna jump off a cliff (delete LD)

@ZelosSama

18 күн бұрын

maybe having no identity is his identity lol

@esRaortiz

18 күн бұрын

@@ZelosSama at this point I believe it.

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

@@neoh7939 all tanks feel like garbage compared to warrior in dungeons, and thats fine. Dungeons are irrelevant content, it's not fun or challenging at all whatsoever, it just makes your healer heal you more instead of spamming aoe skills if you're playing anything other than warrior, it's not that big of a deal.

And now they're gonna dumb down Viper because it's "too busy" for some people. 😮‍💨

@the7blargs

21 күн бұрын

I played it throughout the whole story of DT and yeah it's easy, the only thing I can maybe see them doing is taking off the positionals for dreadwinder and hunters coil I guess

@troll5262

21 күн бұрын

While it is easy I do think it has a lot of weird redundancies going on it. Like they gave it extra buttons to compensate for the condensed combo buttons. It's not hard, just really weirdly done and all over the place.

@kirifps

21 күн бұрын

@@troll5262even with “extra” buttons the class only has 11 buttons

@JxzzCat

21 күн бұрын

It has 6 positionals. They will probably just remove the positionals from some of the skills.

@Deminese2

21 күн бұрын

@@JxzzCat the positionals are fine on the regular combos but they need to be removed from dreadwinger and coil. shits annoying.

This might sound weird but I wish healers had 1-2 more damage buttons, Sage excluded. If the people you're playing with don't face-tank random shit, it's just too much of spamming 1. Every healer has skills that are so situational that you rarely ever need to use them. Just swap those for a bit of DPS, maybe off GCD DPS and you're not even bloating the skill bar. Just my take though. I love healing, but sometimes you really feel like a bench member until people mess up.

@AzureRoxe

12 күн бұрын

Healers have been BEGGING for their damage stuff back pretty much since Yoshi P's team stupidly removed it from them.

@Tengokuchi

11 күн бұрын

Only if they give my damaging skills healing utility. I'm a healer, not a DPS. I like it on Sage because I'm healing while I'm DPSing. White mage has it ass backwards because they literally have to burn lilies in order to get DPS. The way this game treats healers is retarded.

If all tanks damage should be the same then all tanks sustain should be cranked to warrior levels

@devxved

20 күн бұрын

I dont see why thats a crazy idea either. Im all for it.

@TheAsj97

20 күн бұрын

Sure, then you'd get a million whiners on the forum complaining they're homogenizing the jobs even more.

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

@@TheAsj97 You already get whiners as it is, you'll get complaints no matter what SE does. What they should actually do is bring back tank identity for high end content with the old aggro system and leave the homogenized version of tanks to casual content, that way we can all be happy.

@magikazam8430

17 күн бұрын

@@TheAsj97 I mean, right now the issue is that Warrior is kind of the favorite child when it come to tank. They keep asking and gettign stuff that were unique to other tanks, but when other tank ask for thing like sustain, they complain that Homogenization is a thing. Like, SE just need to stop playing favorite and just choose a side. Either homogenise completly or make it so every class can keep their unique stuff.

@FirewynnTV

15 күн бұрын

I personally believe Paladin should be the HIGHEST sustainability since in final fantasy games like 5 and 3 they are the tanks that almost never die thanks to always healing as well. Gunbreaker having lowest Sustain with highest DPS and Paladin with Highest Sustain and lowest DPS makes the most sense class identity wise. Warrior and Dark Knight have gimmick windows that give them their own identity as well already. But Paladin lost a LOT of its identity as just THE TANK of the game

I still find it absurd that the tank with an actual fucking shield feels the most squishy out of all the tanks.

@AkudamaEXE

19 күн бұрын

Why do you need a shield when you got a gun? 😎🎉🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🎆🎆🎆

@CrimsonPrince-b5w

18 күн бұрын

You must be doing something wrong then

@83917Michael

16 күн бұрын

Only feels squishy compared to WAR's insanity maybe. Change ConfiteorCombo and holy circle to proc their heal per target hit like Bloodwhetting and the gap would close. Could also change Sheltron/Intervention to heal when hit. While we're at it, can we replace Cover with something completely different that isn't useless 99.99% of the time?

@CrimsonPrince-b5w

16 күн бұрын

@83917Michael squishy means you lose health fast. Pld mits higher than war. War is squishy. You just don't feel it bc of how much you're healing

Who would've thought. Taking away the extra mana regen with blood weapon would drop DRK to 3rd.

@janekgaganek3871

20 күн бұрын

Also plunge damage vanished, they should have increased 123 dmg on respecitve level

@Yokai_Yuri

20 күн бұрын

DRK is utter shit. All they did was to change the animations for attacks to the "upgraded version". Too away their MP sustain skill and the class as always feels squishy and unfun to play.

@jg2096

20 күн бұрын

​@@Yokai_Yuri This! This right here. My tanks have the same exact gear same stats and yet DRK recieves more damage than my pld or gnb. TBN is near worthless now and we still have dead buttons for the most part. The "upgraded versions" only adds 20 potency more than the extra attack you got from the 5 stacks of blood weapon but you lose out on the regeneration by I think 1100 mana (if my calcs are correct). The living shadow with no resource use is nice but, not enough. Make edge and flood cost less but DON'T nerf potency. 2000 mana would be a godsend and increase my dps a lot. Maybe add something to tbn to mitigate more. The other tanks got that. Honestly it feels like we're the red headed step child of the tanks where WAR and GNB are the favorite.

@noahsmith865

20 күн бұрын

​@jg2096 tbn is nowhere near useless nor is drk squishy, learn to play the job correctly

@jg2096

20 күн бұрын

@@noahsmith865 "learn to play the job" nevermind that I've taken DRK through EX and savage (no ult so I can't claim that). When doing dungeon it's airways TBN plus 1 mit to get the save result as the other tanks. PLD gets mana regeneration with less cost to it's mana abilities and it's signature cooldown gives life gain too. Just because I point out the flaws of my main job doesn't mean I don't know how to play it. Try that with someone else.

whatever happen to this game i don't care, but WAR definitely doesn't need a buff.

War doesn’t need buffs lmfao

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

All warrior needs is a complete rework, preferably a reverse summoner rework to make the class actually interesting.

@captainziggy82

17 күн бұрын

@@jin6186 agreed, job is a snooze fest

Being PLD is suffering

@BlitzkriegOmega

19 күн бұрын

Yeah. You are made of mitigation, but it doesn't matter if you can't hit those DPS checks.

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

@@BlitzkriegOmega The only time where paladin was unviable was during the first two weeks of p8s, after that and for the rest of the tiers including p4s the job was fine, there were literally no tight dps checks in any raid of endwalker besides the unbalanced version of p8s, literally no one cares if you play paladin with the exception of maybe hardcore week 1 groups.

@83917Michael

16 күн бұрын

Only tank i haven't leveled to 100 so far is DRK, but in dungeons PLD feels better than GNB to me. Less of a difference than between WAR and PLD, but I can carry a dead party through a boss fight easier on PLD than GNB. On GNB I may not even be able to do some than PLD could. I suppose that's just one way of looking at things. But yeah, more dps please. Preferably up the potency on the confiteor combo, that's what feels the most fun, so why not give it more punch?

If picto were paladin, it would’ve been nerfed in a hotfix during early access.

I am so sad as a drk main like we used to have good damage but less sustainability which i found ok now it does lower dmg and has bad sustainability compared to other tanks. The biggest tell that they dgaf is that the new drk gapcloser doesnt even have a sound effect xddTree

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

@@GoatOfWar lets not forget that its also the easiest class in the game to play. Just hard press your ogcds and spam 1-2-3 > fell cleave and you'll easily get high purples or oranges on warrior. Now that normal gcds don't use inner release stacks you literally can't even overcap gauge, so the only way to mess up your rotation is by not resetting your storms eye buff, if a warrior is doing bad damage then they're beyond incompetent at the game.

@magikazam8430

17 күн бұрын

@@jin6186 Now now, Your underestimating how hard Clown axe are to play, they aint the easiest class in the game, That would be SMN...

bootdk monks rising up to the challenge

@Jay-mx5ky

21 күн бұрын

Nah yall getting removed next patch.

@KrazyBean14

21 күн бұрын

Let's enjoy it while we can lol.

I was on 25k opener on my gunbreak at 700ilv He feels so good when rng is with you

Xeno just forgot Monk existed in this video.

@HeavyMetalLink05

20 күн бұрын

Most people forgot monk existed ;_;

@MainUkraine

20 күн бұрын

@@HeavyMetalLink05 ever since hitting lvl 100 I've been sweating my balls off just to pull average dps on Monk...

@ApexGale

17 күн бұрын

​@@MainUkraine the rotation feels like cheeks man. like if they wanted to get rid of having to manage uptimes whatever, but now i have to undo my 2 2 3 muscle memory and it feels awful

I like to imagine that there is just a giant ascii futa hydra every time the chat gets blurred.

Did he say GNB 2.1? Is it possible to learn this power?

@Yokai_Yuri

20 күн бұрын

Not from a Warrior.

@Saterienne

16 күн бұрын

He means 2.41

PLD (my main) always at the bottom. What's new?

@TheGreektrojan

21 күн бұрын

I mean PLDs have extra 'utility' so I guess its fair *buffs WAR and gives them another heal for zero reason*

@Skjoldolfr

21 күн бұрын

theres nothing wrong with paladin, will it be top of tank fflogs for damage? No. Is it completely viable in all content and absolutely fine otherwise considering the raid utility? Yes. We have to stop judging jobs based on damage when the lowest denominator is confirmed more than enough

@dragoncrashhero12

21 күн бұрын

Gotta take advantage of its utility more, Clemency, Wings, buffed Intervention, and *sigh* even cover can make up for the lack of damage when used efficiently

@soldierorsomething

20 күн бұрын

Let them remove that fancy shield of yours and see what happens, less survivability but higher dmg, its time to choose

@Kurainuz

20 күн бұрын

@@Skjoldolfr Meanwhile drk not having utility, worse "invul", worse self healing, no option to heal others, and only slightly better than pld, again 😢

they better fing fix blm

@user-pi6hp9yh1h

17 күн бұрын

Hell yes

Picto i think for materia might benfit for crit materia with its hammer

Missed me? GUNMODE

@AkudamaEXE

19 күн бұрын

Live by the gun die by the gun

like how even here in the comments, no one really talks about rpr, they just be vibin, chillin.

@Gillian_FFXIV

20 күн бұрын

I too discovered that this is somehow ALWAYS the case with Reapers 😂

@The_vataru_guy

20 күн бұрын

Pretty simple. Our job is in a good spot, fun to play and got cool nice things from the developers. We’re just enjoying our time.

@Lemon_Force

18 күн бұрын

chillin...killin

@ArchieGamez

12 күн бұрын

We just reapin our benefits hehe

Ninja buffs mentioned!

@Nydoggg

15 күн бұрын

Required and wanted :)

@Tashiro64

13 күн бұрын

really ? because I felt like it's great to play again, they didnt break it, but compared to a picto with ACT my god I was inexistant... So since it's a melee dps, it would need to be... FIRST FOR SURE ! give love to ninja god dammitttt! XD

@StriderZessei

13 күн бұрын

@Tashiro64 honestly, I think the more complex Jobs deserve to be more potent. The fact that RPR and VPR are the top melee DPS while also being the easiest is a major issue. MNK and NIN deserve the top spots, imo.

So my Jobs are all trash D: Paladin, Whitemage and Sumoner

@joshkary5040

20 күн бұрын

Unfortunately you play the easiest jobs of each role so yeah they get tanked earlier in expansions and have to be buffed typically to be good

@Workplaylister

20 күн бұрын

@@joshkary5040 Yea I am horrible at the game so I have to play the easiest jobs but I'd argue warrior is not much harder than any of those

@Preshiro

20 күн бұрын

This is me too!! Kind of sad :(

@SPB___

19 күн бұрын

​@@joshkary5040"get good" like any of you are truly min/maxing and pushing content at a level where it matters what job you play

@joshkary5040

19 күн бұрын

@@SPB___ literally no one here said get good

As a Warrior main I really appreciate that they gave us two more whole fell cleave buttons

maining vpr an mnk with plans to start leveling dcr and pld. ik parces arent everything and i should play what i want but are they atleast fun?

On top of that, DRK also has MP issues now and it feels so bad in terms of gameplay. I really hope they give some more self sustain and fix the MP issue.

as someone that plays WHM take, glare 4 off of presence of mind and make it ogcd.

@MrJammers

16 күн бұрын

Ye Im so confused about that, like ye I can weave more now but like no, it feels weird to just stand there. Or make lillies ogcd. Glare 4 should also give stacks of blood lilly/ or a new dps button that cosumes stacks for dmg when you don't need the heals.

@eyelesscrow69

16 күн бұрын

​@@MrJammers After i made this comment i went and complained with friends about this and realized that just how much worse glare 4 actually is seeing how its not just 3 stacks you get out of presence but the stacks are on a 30 sec cd, on top of the 15 sec that you have to use presence of mind and they are counting down simultaneously which makes it just not fun to use. I'm fairly sure that WHM got the worse end of the stick when it came to changes this xpac where as you said they should have done something with the lily stuff but they just said, here's dps button that sucks, an extra tetra, 25 POT increase to medica 2 and a 400 hp shield with a regen at the end of it on a 2 min CD have fun. the class is built for Trails and Raids where outside of that content you just cycle the abilities cause you can not because you need to.

Black mage need to get back ice paradox man :/

@devxved

20 күн бұрын

Cant tell you how many Blizzard 3s into fire 1s ive done forgetting ice paradox is gone.

@user-pi6hp9yh1h

17 күн бұрын

Ruining my job man

DRG is sick. Needs nore buffs

As someone who recently fell in love with RPR and VPR. I am happy.

So the harder to play classes are, the less they dps ? (mnk/nin .....)

viper plays incredibly well i am in love with this class. my favorite dps class my new main, and i hated dps i mained tank an healer through the whole game except i also loved the caster summoner

Picto is Blackmage on Tren

I main blm and I died and rolled in my grave when I saw this chart. Then again, I'm still out damaging the vipers and pictos in my parties, so at least that's something.

@cattysplat

21 күн бұрын

Most vipers and pictos have absolutely no idea what they are doing and I guess that's OK because new job and all. But eventually they will learn.

@spetsu1

21 күн бұрын

@cattysplat I know I'm just hoping they buff blm by the time they learn. When someone actually knows what they're doing, I'm 3rd on agro, and that kills me since I'm not used to seeing that unless I'm with a Sam or unless I'm in a full party raid. It makes me feel like I'm not playing my class correctly.

@soldierorsomething

20 күн бұрын

I kinda feel the same but as a monk, people say that its not doing dmg but if you just keep hitting buttons you still somehow end up on top?!?

@CanisMythson

20 күн бұрын

Meanwhile me on Viper in a full Fate chain with no tank anywhere among like 30 people: Haha... I'm in danger!

@spetsu1

20 күн бұрын

@@CanisMythson just pop second wind and blood bath, I'm sure that'll help lol.

As a DRK, RPR and SGE main, at least two of my jobs are good rn. I wish they would just decide on what they want DRK to be.

I'll be collecting my bronze medal now

We should put rez caster and non-rez caster into different category now.

@joshkary5040

20 күн бұрын

Why? Res is relevant almost never except in extremes and SOME savage, rdm and smn should not be weaker because of that

@AlvaroAmor

19 күн бұрын

Especially when they're already losing damage if they need to res somebody.

@Lemon_Force

18 күн бұрын

@@joshkary5040 its extremely relevant in prog. you wouldnt replace the caster rez slot with a higher dps caster unless u hit a dps check that was super tight

@joshkary5040

18 күн бұрын

@@Lemon_Force in most content where it matters, a death is a wipe. P12s for instance, if you die basically during any mech there’s no time to res, you just instantly wipe

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

@@joshkary5040 That's assuming the next tier will have body checks, if it doesn't then res is definitely pretty strong.

I'm probably entirely wrong about this but I always understood that the 'vision' for balance was always a pure damage vs damage with utility (like a samurai, that has no utility or party buffs, should do more damage then like, another dps job that has raid buffs and such). Always felt like tanks had something similar, where Gnb and Drk were the "Do more damage" tanks, while paladin and warrior were the, more 'defensive' tanks with self heals and such. Always felt like gnb and drk should be the highest of the 4 in terms of dps

@michielmanders9766

20 күн бұрын

You're mostly right, however as Xeno mentions in this video DPS is by far the most important thing in this game. Fights aren't so difficult that the extra defensive utility is worth the tradeoff. And in actually difficult fights, if you mess up you're most likely dead instantly and no def ulility will do anything to save you.

@FabledEnigma

20 күн бұрын

@@michielmanders9766 yeah thats fair, I've been maining gnb and pld for awhile and im used to pld being lowest on dps, always kinda attested it to the fact they have a lot of self healing and a some solid group mits, obviously it dosnt matter as much in raid content but I know doing dungeons feels do different between those two. Paladin and warrior barely needing to be healed always feels so different compared to running dungeons as a gnb

@Ranziel1

20 күн бұрын

GNB has self healing. But yes, that's the idea, however it's not how the game actually works, so it shouldn't be a consideration for balance.

@michielmanders9766

20 күн бұрын

@@GoatOfWar FFXIV is famous for never nerfing jobs, instead buffing others instead. I don't play either of those jobs so I'll take your word for it, I'm not saying SE is perfect, far from it. No need to be so rude, this isn't politics its a fucking videogame.

@magikazam8430

17 күн бұрын

@@GoatOfWar WAR still allowed to do more dps cause it SE favorite Tank. He allowed to canibalise other tank speciality but if other tank try the same then suddently it homogenization

I don't get the "viper is too busy, or complicated" thing. The combos are so easy it's like I'm actually good at the game. 😂

I wonder if more people don't know how to play PLD? Or is it just a lot of it's moves are weak? I've been surprised when multiple hits of on my Con combo crit for like 65,000+. Or do the other tanks really just do much more? Though, I guess I shouldn't worry about it so I can just get a buff. Lol.

2.5 it is then Thank you my liege

Is the bard trash?

Bootdk bringing back those stormblood memories except it was DkBoot 😂

Its weird because I've never felt stronger as a paladin as right now and still bottom of tanks lol.

@cattysplat

21 күн бұрын

Confitti combo nerfs were dumb so get ready for them to be buffed.

They need to revert all the black mage nerfs and give us ice paradox back. It is so awkward in the opener now too, thunder procs oit the ass but they do so little damage, flare star or whatever the 100 skills named does laughable potencies im tempted to skip it if no swift cast.

@zadayaz

15 күн бұрын

the thunder changes are so ass (among several of the other changes) i cannot understand why it just refreshes the dot now instead of doing the entire dot damage + refresh. used to never have to worry about keeping thunder up but now i have to be like “well my dot timer is still pretty high so i’ll hold it” and then lose the thunderhead timer because you cant just cast thunder whenever now. so many odd decisions this expansion with this class. wish they just gave us endwalker blm with 3rd polygot + retrace and called it a day

when was the last time bard was at the top:(

Warrior doesn't need a buff. It's the only tank that doesn't need a heal like, almost ever. Even Paladin , the job designed as the ultimate defense, can't hold as long as a Warrior can.

Dark knight always on top because he has the edgiest coolest armor

Picto is just a tad over tuned. I been playing Warrior and it feels so good.

Im not understanding a thing this mans said n those numbers mean nothing to me, i feel so glad

Funny how things work out now that we've had time for parses to come in %85 of the leader boards are Warrior the rest split up between dark knight and paladin with GNB no where on the top boards what so ever

Aren’t you supposed to look at aDPS for Tanks?

@darrellbruh1335

20 күн бұрын

No.

@joshkary5040

20 күн бұрын

@@darrellbruh1335why are you saying no, adps IS the norm for looking at tanks

@gasparguruoftime5475

20 күн бұрын

@@darrellbruh1335 Why not? Tanks don’t provide any raid buff DPS which is what rDPS tracks. aDPS is damage done including damage you put *into* raid buffs which is what Tanks do.

@DanBurtonCodes

17 күн бұрын

adps is reliant on party comp. rdps attempts to measure your DPS contribution regardless of party comp. No single measurement is gonna be perfect; it's best to look at them both.

@gasparguruoftime5475

17 күн бұрын

@@DanBurtonCodes That makes sense. Also, now that every Tank light bursts at 1 minute and hard bursts at 2 minutes I suppose rDPS is a bit more reliable right? In EW, old PLD looked like it did good DPS but that was just rDPS and its burst kinda sucked so aDPS was bad even in good comps. But now that they all burst I suppose it makes sense that rDPS works better for comparing all of them.

This game doesn't do balancing very good. Paladin is cool being lowest dps but needs to be tankier than Warrior in exchange as Paladin is the most defensive tank in combat. Black Mage needs to be the biggest damage dealer because it has no team utility at all and is very difficult to sustain rotation in difficult flights.

@nightmare8602

13 күн бұрын

They keep paladin down cause the job have alot of useless party mitigation tools, like cover, pld oblation and the wings

just confirms to me that Disesteem should be either made oGCD or receive a huge potency buff (and/or recover MP). I didn't expect PLD to be "so bad" though

@carlobertolini7833

20 күн бұрын

it's fine as a GCD, it needs more potency, currently 800 and should be at least 1k. also shadowbringer and CaS should recive a potency buff ( GNB got like.. 8k potency in few secs )

I know the pros say 2.5 but my brain is small guys what is the number in game my skill speed on my GB is 778 atm without melds so whats the actual number i have to get it to? Any explanation would help

@airraid1266

21 күн бұрын

Look at your Recast time, 2.5 means the base GCD of 2.5s

@michielmanders9766

20 күн бұрын

Is 2.5 not the default speed? SP is only useful up to a specific breakpoint, it's useless before or after you've reached it. What that numbers is currently I haven't a clue, maybe that information is already out there but the YT comment section isn't where you're gonna find it.

Excellent analysis, my liege.

Drk back to being bottom half of tank dps rip

@kcmccray5686

21 күн бұрын

TBN still no changes and now DPS is ass .They love to see DRK suffer.Pali dps is still bad now both tanks I play is near the bottom.

@aTypicalMushroom

21 күн бұрын

@@kcmccray5686pld atleast has utility Drk is still mid but the heal changes (the new veil and rampart) makes it a lil less mid? In my eyes

@soldierorsomething

20 күн бұрын

@@kcmccray5686 TBN, the only shield that wont break from a tank buster when you stack defensive buffs with max tenacity, gotta love seeing that 0 dmg taken

@Bingogogo721

20 күн бұрын

give me increased parry rate on dark mind :)

@Xero-rr2ol

20 күн бұрын

Should be top dps and not close.

Picto isnt overtuned the other classes like blm just need a buff and warrior needs a nerf

I think it is worth considering that black Mage and picto are currently a little bit skewed. Not just in terms of their performance but in terms of the people who are playing them. All of the "passionate" black mage players that would do their non-standard shenangians for like 1% gains jumped over to picto when they made the Black Mage changes, so the median and mean black mage skill levels both went down. Meanwhile theyre all playing Picto. So like while Picto is jusy mathematically great right now, it also has arguably the most skilled player base. I'd support that argument by saying that picto currently has the highest disparity between the average DPS and the max (about 5k, compared to 2~3k) for other jobs. Even then, I'd say black mage still has a couple holdouts just based on the fact that it's Average-to-Max variance is on the higher side

warrior needing BUfF?? being THE easiest job in the entire game and is doing just a littel less damage than GBK the most difficualt and busy tank? seriusly?😅😅😅😅

@jin6186

17 күн бұрын

Every tank is very easy to play, it's not like gnb is much more difficult than warrior. But i get what you're saying, warrior should definitely not get any buffs.

I really do wonder what the fuck Square Enix does to gauge numbers, because I feel like in a game as homogenized as this it shouldn't be hard to make numbers within like 1% of each other.

@rickmel09

21 күн бұрын

i'm tempted to say they don't, but apparently this expansion just has a few outliners that should be easy to fix

@COA5T

21 күн бұрын

Is it Squeenix's generally balancing philosophy to make every job in each class do the exact same damage, or is their overall toolkit weighted? Genuine question. Obviously I recognize this cannot possibly 100% be the case because of classes like Dancer, foregoing personal DPS for buffing a party member. If they really wanted everything to personally be within 1% then Dancer would also have the same damage as everything else so that can't be the case.

@bassisku

21 күн бұрын

Fights with heavy or no downtime and job differences between those makes a huge difference though. If every job had the same burst then yes, but you also need to balance for fights with more or less downtime. Picto is just busted though.

@stabegabe

21 күн бұрын

@@COA5T Raid buffs are weighted and tracked via the rdps chart. that chart takes into account the damage buffs you apply to other ppl by adding that extra damage they are dealing as a result of your buffs to your rdps. So perfect "balance" would be every class having extremely close rdps margins. Square does consider overall toolkits by balancing around raid buffs and a few other things like raise, or justifying higher melee dps due to having to having to maintain uptime. Its agreed upon that classes like rdm or smn should be doing less rdps than blm for example, because they bring an extra raise to the group. If the jobs were less homogenized, the same logic could apply perfectly fine to other utilities and abilities, and maybe the dps chart in this video wouldn't seem as ridiculous

@COA5T

21 күн бұрын

@@stabegabe Just to be clear, because I genuinely don't understand, are you saying that where DNC is shows it's total contribution to the raid, including the buffs it gives to partner?

ninjabros...

I hope viper gets changed tbh. It's just Samurai but the rotation literally carries you like you're on a honeymoon after getting married

Machinist needs a mad buff, why is it the lowest ranged damage hahaha

Dragon get nice rework like it.

Influence abuse here so yoshi gonna conced

If you look at the higher end of parses picto is on top. It gets worse on fights with any amount of forced downtime as well.

As a MCH main, all I know from the MCH community is that we are begging to have just Wildfire have the CHANCE to crit and/or direct hit (not a guaranteed, but just a chance to). That's all we want and we'd be good.

@michielmanders9766

20 күн бұрын

I think it should either crit 100% like SAM skills, or not at all. Otherwise the job becomes extremely rng dependant, no?

@ValkeersYT

20 күн бұрын

Feeling you bro. I'm supposed to be the phys range in my static. As it stands i dont really see why you would take a phys range with you at all.... if id go picto instead, going 2 melee, 2 caster i could be much more beneficial to the group. Even if you take into account missing group buff, LB generation and stuff... picto has tons of utility too.

@Egolithz

20 күн бұрын

@@michielmanders9766 no, the damage would then be waaaaay too high that they would have to nerf something else. It's better to have it rng without nerfing and then our stat prio would be crit > DH > Det, instead of Crit > Det > DH right now (cause everything scales off det, but if WF was able to DH we'd swap)

@Egolithz

20 күн бұрын

@@ValkeersYT I'd personally disagree just cause phys range has stuff to offer, even MCH. Dismantle and Tactician are extremely solid mits and you get the full 5% party bonus. We'll likely see a potential double caster meta imo with 1 melee potentially, or the standard. But phys range is important (any of the 3)

@michielmanders9766

20 күн бұрын

@@Egolithz Obvieously they could lower the potency to compensate. An intern could do that in 20 minutes. Also, skills that guaranteed crit still benefit from crit rate, it just gets converted into extra damage.

how do u hate gnb when you play pld? its the same fuckin job

looks like im watching a video from last exp this shit is never done right

SCH doesn't need a potency buff; Chain Strat and spreadlo alone make them meta. WHM deserves the potency buff and I say this as a SCH main. The only thing SCH needs is similar to DRK which is an actual identity.

you didnt see their post about upcoming changes yet? Mr.Happy did a video on it already. basically everything is getting a buff apart from picto.

@ValkeersYT

20 күн бұрын

Have you read them? I see nothing about phys range. The rdm thing isnt a buff, but a small QOL thing, to bring manafication more in line with how it works compared to mch's new barrel stabilizer (i play both jobs) It helps timing out manafication usage, but it probably wont be a dmg increase at all. As it stands atm i should really ponder if i relinquish phys range slot (i'd be the mch in my static) and just switch to picto instead, so that we run a 2 melee 2 caster comb... missing full group bonus and LB gain cant really make up for the difference in DPS and Utility a Picto could bring.

@beecees410

20 күн бұрын

@@ValkeersYT read how i said "basically everything".

dont eat on the mic bud

Its still early to say, but gap between melee and ranged dps is something to think about. Picto is exception, well because its new job and has to be overpowered so babies feel good about new toy. There is alot of movement needed at boss fights, but that shouldnt affect physical ranged as much as magical, even if SMN or RDM shouldnt be affected that much either.

I've never played FFXIV in my life, not sure how I ended up here. That being said, looks like I need to leave WoW and ESO and come play FFXIV because all your melee classes are not left to die in obscurity like in WoW!

Rip big hat main

I should have known Summoner would be towards the bottom. I'm rather surprised WHM is too. Glad I'm leveling PCT to be my main DPS as SMN isn't particularly fun but I love the idea of it so I'll keep hope alive for 8.0.

Wassup its me, ya boy, wont main anything but blm, see ya'll next xpac /salute

Want picto to stay where it is. It feels sooo good. BLM needs a huge buff for me to play it again. Feels slow, weak, and stiff...stiffer than normal.

Excellent asmr milord

I have mixed feelings about DRG. It does a lot of damage and I am glad to see Dragonsight gone, as well as being able to just activate LotD at will. HOWEVER, Jump and Mirage Dive are basically pointless extra buttons now, and instead of making the job less frantic it's actually more hectic than ever during Burst Windows because there are simply too oGCDs you have to weave in now it's actually insane. I got a damned blister from my controller trying to get a feel for the rotation, as you're practically triple weaving now. It's not as big of a priority as some of the other stuff perhaps, but they should look into it because right now it feels like I'm trying to play professional StarCraft 2 as a DRG in terms of APM.

@UltimegaSeven

21 күн бұрын

THANK YOU. Mirage dive does like...nothing man. its just there.

@samuraiflash95

21 күн бұрын

DRG has the exact same number of OGCDs in their burst. They lost 2 charges of spineshatter (-2) and gained Starcross and Rise of the Dragon (+2) for a total net neutral on OGCDs

@kumoko3728

20 күн бұрын

Sounds like a SKILL ISSUE to me

@joshkary5040

20 күн бұрын

Yeah this is a hard skill issue - DRG barely changed in overall apm

@Yokai_Yuri

20 күн бұрын

​@@joshkary5040Not skill issue if many times the ping does not let you weave properly. While the class maintains it's core gameplay, it heavily relies on burst now. Even so I consider DRG a balanced class, unlike baby mode reaper or Picto

1:05 what every black mage main needs to hear 😂

@user-pi6hp9yh1h

17 күн бұрын

Pleb

Its only 1 weak out, and they have charts?

Why does Machinist need a slight buff? I'm not very good at reading data like this and it seems like it's on par with Bard and better then Dancer no?

@RazAnime

21 күн бұрын

Bard and Dancer buff DPS of your best players which is a significant boon that MCH doesnt have MCH is one of the only purely selfish jobs that cannot benefit any other players in the party in any way. For a long time their dps was gimped despite this, because they are "easier to play than most jobs due to being able to move so much while DPSing" but that is something that became less and less true every single expansion with most other caster jobs getting more and more opportunities to increase their mobility and reduce their downtimes, while boss hitboxes kept increasing, making 100% uptime for melee easier every single expansion (although Dawntrail has finally corrected backwards in that regard) You are left with a job that overall is on a similar difficulty level than other jobs above it on dps, cannot give any benefits to any other partymembers (that is unique to MCH; the other ranged dps also have the party mit cd) and despite all this still does no fking damage and never gets buffed funnily enough multiple times in the past, Yoshi-P has called out that MCH needed buffs, and then MCH would get buffed by like 1% and not even rise in the dps rankings At this point I dont think they will ever make MCH a good job because they have no idea how much damage the job should even be allowed to do

@rickmel09

21 күн бұрын

@@RazAnime isn't that accounted for with ADPS?

@RazAnime

21 күн бұрын

@@rickmel09 even on adps MCH is 5th from the bottom

@rickmel09

21 күн бұрын

@@RazAnime i meant to say RDPS, sorry but doing a quick check at the logs for valigarmanda, MCH and BRD have pratically the same ceiling in RDPS, and DNC is far down and in ADPS, it's beating all the other ranged (phys and magical) except picto (and kinda tied with BLM, which says a lot about society)

Amazing m'lord

I farted right at 3:42 and got scared fro a second.

YoshiP did say BLM is getting a buff, but probably later than sooner. BLM is in a weird spot, im at 98 right now, and i find most complaints besides damage to be really silly. You have way more flexibility in Fire now, that the need for it in Non-Standard doesnt exist, which was the main benefit and goal. I imagine Flare Star is VERY punishing though, and i think Thunder should do more damage to targets with the DoT already on.

How in the FUCK is balance this bad when every job plays the damn same. There could literally be a single healer if they really wanted to do that.

Delete Black Mage.

Stopped tye video when i started hearing chewing.