Finally I can have an opinion on street fighter 6 season 1

@a.gss7714

3 ай бұрын

Thank you Brian_fly

@toner01

3 ай бұрын

i was so close to forming my own....

@chad8813

3 ай бұрын

Looool

@SuperSilver7591

3 ай бұрын

After a year LMAO

@arpadszabo661

3 ай бұрын

But make sure to let everyone know that you’re so knowledgable that everyone else who tries to argue with you is wrong as soon as they start typing.

Shout-out to the guy in chat genuinely thinking that LUKE STREET FIGHTER 6 is F TIER

@raven7672

3 ай бұрын

thats cause that F stands for "FUCK YOU" tier

@rheawelsh4142

3 ай бұрын

F for memFis

@Ukemi_

3 ай бұрын

Now remember in the beta days and launch when people said he was bad

@Cezkarma

3 ай бұрын

@@Ukemi_ haha yup, proof that character strength should never be assessed in the first few weeks of a game launching. People also thought that Cammy was bad and that Manon was really good.

@lilbigpac5306

3 ай бұрын

‘F’ is for ‘Ffordable’

I can feel my braincells dying glancing through twitch chat during this.

@Eidlones

3 ай бұрын

Welcome to every twitch chat

@HawtDawg420

3 ай бұрын

I kept thinking "at least 90% of chat doesn't deserve to share their opinions" lol

@sandau44

3 ай бұрын

@@HawtDawg420 I think this applies to the internet as a whole tbh.

Brian F

@Jackenough

3 ай бұрын

Brian F

@JTOnline0919

3 ай бұрын

Brian F

@alekay2099

3 ай бұрын

bian😊

@chad8813

3 ай бұрын

Frian B

@-bemyvalentine-

3 ай бұрын

brain f

They know about the crouching medium kick on Deejay... I thought I was just a Silver 3 Deejay prodigy

It's crazy how viable so many of these characters feel for general play. I hope the S2 adjustments make the best characters need a little more risk and the worst characters a bit more fun to play.

@kaebrenwillis7442

3 ай бұрын

you're so right, I only have about 20 hours in the game but I have never felt like a character is too overwhelming at my level or super frustrating other than MAYBE JP? but I just need to play against more

Fully agree with the take on Honda. That character is so stupidly designed. I've peaked at 1900 MR and I still feel like he's one of the few characters where I can lose if I'm having a bad day or not 110% focused. You have to work so hard to counter him consistently meanwhile the Honda is just doing really simple stuff (yes even at higher MR his tools can be abused in smarter ways)

@nickkiller-0710

3 ай бұрын

Every time I won against a Honda in ranked it felt wrong, because I knew that if he just mashed headbutt and buttslam he would've won, but for some reason he tried to actually play the game and that allowed me to outplay him.

@HellecticMojo

3 ай бұрын

Conversely, you get one opponent that can perfect parry once a round, you are utterly hosed as a Honda player. There's no GG with this character. It's always just a stomp.

@0hkohn

3 ай бұрын

​@@HellecticMojo beating him feels like garbage, losing to him feels like garbage. Awful character design.

@han3wmanwukong125

3 ай бұрын

Honda is a great character design for street fighter 5.

@muckdriver

3 ай бұрын

It's good to hear the slam and headbutt are getting nerfs/changes while buffing his other moves. Hopefully that shifts his power in the right way that people can enjoy the match up more.

every character in this game feels terrifying to play against

@akilcharles3473

3 ай бұрын

this comment I can agree with.

@nickthegun

3 ай бұрын

I’ve lost to every character on that list and said ‘that’s some bullshit’. It’s amazingly well balanced

@HellecticMojo

3 ай бұрын

Game is low key stressful af

@muckdriver

3 ай бұрын

​@@HellecticMojofighters are generally like that once you start taking em more seriously. So much depth but that's what makes em fun.

@HellecticMojo

3 ай бұрын

@@muckdriver most fighters are not this micro management intensive. Resources are this volatile, defense is much harder, finicky conversions (season 2 seem to address this a bit) No other fighter is gonna get you killed because your offense went too hard like SF6.

I like this list a lot - I appreciated that you focused a lot on the characters’ strengths throughout the list. A lot of tier list videos I’ve seen tend to really only talk about strengths with higher tier characters and really only discuss weaknesses of lower tier characters

I enjoy your tier lists because it's actually just fun to talk about the characters sometimes. Tier lists give a good excuse to go in depth

One thing I think Marisa does well is she forces you to play her game. She has her weaknesses for sure, but you can never relax against her. A bad poke in neutral, a mistimed projectile, or god forbid she blocks your dp means she's going to turn you into paste. She is always scary and I think that's an incredible advantage to have in the mental game.

@kazzykaioken8873

3 ай бұрын

Proper horrible looking character tho. Like a strong jawed female face on a clearly male character model

@MansMan42069

3 ай бұрын

I like the idea that Marisa isn't difficult to deal with, so instead she forces you to always deal with it. You're preoccupied with playing around her that you can't do what _you_ want.

I think the issue with Ken is that he was almost fully fleshed out before Evo while every other character was still being figured out up until at least LCQ for the most part. This allowed other characters to run while Ken is basically jogging briskly.

Give blanka chan doll a scaling buff and extend his level 2 time limit by 30 minutes he needs it

@mikaela5938

3 ай бұрын

he doesn't but i do bc im dog awful at the game lel

@katchef7085

3 ай бұрын

@@mikaela5938 my uncle works at capcom, ill get him to roll out the changes for u boss

@miggy3561

3 ай бұрын

​@@mikaela5938real

@Glickstick

3 ай бұрын

make blanka chans mirror your inputs like a puppet character

@katchef7085

3 ай бұрын

@@Glickstick he might as well be allowed to have 2 of them up at the same time its only fair

I watched the whole discussion. This is a good, level-headed review of character strengths and weaknesses. There is always a 'hidden' strength of characters like grapplers, imo, and that is the psychological warfare aspect of this. Listening to dannypham talk about this really solidified the idea: gief is there to get in your head and win. His objective character tools may not have him at advantage, but the way he can dismantle you mentally makes up for those weaknesses imo (except for lariat not hitting behind, come on now capcom).

Cant wait to start playing/learning sf6 once akuma drops, ive been waiting since he was announced

@roadmann6803

3 ай бұрын

He's very difficult from what I've heard, dont be discouraged if you dont do well immediately, you got this 👍

@OMEN-999

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I’m glad the game will finally release. Spent way too long in beta.

@DerpyTC

3 ай бұрын

@@OMEN-999it was still in alpha, we are now in beta with akuma, the game will be released when Sean comes out

@leandrecook179

3 ай бұрын

@@roadmann6803really? Hopefully he isnt too hard to pick up and play at least. I’m all for a high skill ceilings though im just not used to sf6 (i played mk a lot and other fighting games a bit) I like his aggressive personality and playstyle, he seems like ryu with more nuance and potential but obviously riskier. And people say his combo structure is very open and nonlinear which is a big plus for me, I love combos 😈

@leandrecook179

3 ай бұрын

@@OMEN-999lmao yk what i meant 🤦‍♂️

DSP would disagree. Zang is low tier and everyone else is S rank

@SrCarlo20

3 ай бұрын

And if he plays Blanka, then Blanka is shit and everyone else abuses lag patterns 😅

@saltyluigi4011

3 ай бұрын

cammy would be ss tier

@tichyad213

3 ай бұрын

Dsp tier list is easy everything he plays f tier, all other characters s tier.

@alexandrumarin8981

3 ай бұрын

I would love to see Phil do this tier list. Ken is S tier to him and so is Cammy. Also Blanka a low tier even though people winning tournaments with him.

@michaelcarrig627

3 ай бұрын

No, Blanka is C tier and so technical that the Cannon brothers steal his inputs to make him lose.

As a geif main, I agree with his location. I cannot speak of any others, as all I know is that I am scared of them, and when I see geifs, we embrace eachother, knowing we finally have a fair fight.

@marlinmurrell620

3 ай бұрын

As a fellow Gief main, I also agree with the placement. However I'm not scared of all of them, and I'm addicted to the dopamine rush that happens after landing OD Borscht Dynamite.

@newphonewhodis7152

3 ай бұрын

​@@marlinmurrell620bruh, thats so true

@cosmic5665

3 ай бұрын

As a gief main, y'all love downplaying

@tilting_cat3344

3 ай бұрын

as a gief,i am more afraid of dhalsim than JP cause in platinum JP kept getting walking themselves into corner

@VermillionMonk

3 ай бұрын

@@cosmic5665 Also as a Gief main, I will never downplay the potential that Gief has. Many people conflate placing him as one of the weakest characters in the game with being genuinely "weak". No one in this game is so weak as to be unplayable, it's just that Gief has a lot more inconsistency in his toolset/lacks access to tools and properties that other characters have that make for strong characters in SF6, and THAT is what makes him "bottom tier". He doesn't have very good corner carry, he has limited access to decent Oki (which makes sense, as when you DO get it, the opponent then has to guess for a third of their life), he doesn't have access to c.MK > DR shenanigans, Lariat can be a bit inconsistent as an anti-air, his Lvl 1 is so slow to startup it can straight-up whiff in situations it doesn't look or feel like it should, he has no reversal option before lvl3, he builds less meter on average, he constantly has to burn Drive Gauge to get decent combo damage or maintain pressure etc. All these things culminate in a character that often has to do, risk and or spend more for the same or less as a lot of other characters. That all being said, Gief can still absolutely blow people up and delete health bars in 3-4 interactions, or as little as two with some hard reads. He might lack some of the tools that make for good characters within the systems of SF6, but through those same systems he has enough of what he needs to find success if what he *does* have is used properly. Overall, I'm super keen for the Season 2 patch. Just from what we've seen and heard, Gief is already eating good, and there may be even more that we don't even know about. I don't think he'll ever be anywhere close to top-tier, nor should he ever be. He could even linger as among the "worst" characters in the game for the rest of its life cycle for all I care. He'll still always be an absolute blast to play, and the more options they give him and the more they fix up his inconsistencies, the better he'll feel to play.

i think Cammy has the same issue Chun does that people downplay her constantly bc of waifu bias, she's stupid good

@HellecticMojo

3 ай бұрын

Bias wouldn't bother me if it was just simping, looking at all Juri players, but Cammy mains complain the most about others being gorilla which is the Pot/Kettle situation.

@TheGreektrojan

3 ай бұрын

TBF there's good empirical data to support Cammy merely being A. Outside of Punk, there's precious few Cammy players at the pro level and given her general popularity, I find it unlikely that every merely dislikes the SF6 version. There are comparatively way more high level Chun players. I think Cammy is in Juri tier where she's good, just not quite good enough to play over the tier above. That said, anyone saying she's mid or below is straight downplaying.

@muckdriver

3 ай бұрын

​@@HellecticMojoI think the only downplay for juri I see and even I give is "she's not top 3/5/S tier" but all us juri players still admit her buttons are good and her game plan is simple af. Cammy and chun idk what they smoking to say they have bad buttons, maybe their controllers if they can't pilot them lul. Sure chun and cammy need some labbing but so does JP and everyone even JP players say he's top(or at least until recent changes).

@Cezkarma

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but in Chun's case it's more severe. Character is arguably top 3 but her general playerbase behaves like she's D tier. Of all the Cammy players I've interacted with, most of them actually agree that she's strong.

@itstaeday

3 ай бұрын

Cammy seems to lack damage and she’s too honest.

The look on his face at 19:15… 🤣 bro had the “if you were right next to me I would literally choke you right now” look.

Tier lists are very important and accurately represent the state of the game

@CrystalMang0

3 ай бұрын

The thing is what tier lists are more accurate

@JCintheBCC

3 ай бұрын

Now and forever.

@neves2493

2 ай бұрын

@CrystalMang0 Well, those that are contrary to all the others If it exists, right? I come to the conclusion that it seems that the true tierlist will be something around five people will know/be correct. Maybe 2 people among this 300 thousand people making a tierlist will have the correct result. Professional players are full of nonsense and mistakes, when they don't advertise by minimizing their main goal, as they do now. The true tierlist will be absurd in the eyes of the majority and will be left aside.

Stache making a comeback, you love to see it.

I respect the hell out of this tier list. I really like how you really went into detail about Guile. People like to down play him because they don't want to see him nerfed in any kind of way, but they know he's easily one of the strongest and most annoying character's in the game. The fact that Capcom but a boxer in the game where his jabs are the worse tells it all. It sound's like to me we need a *REAL BOXER* in this game and that's Dudley. 👀

Nah don't tell anyone AKI is good, I'm gettin mad Kudos because everyone thinks I'm the underdog.

Prior before this the big 3 were JP, Luke & Ken according to many players but after a while now and some changes its now Luke, Chun-li & Dee Jay which I can totally agree.

Ryu being the middest of mid tiers is how it should be.

People that don't play the grapplers constantly overhype them. Nah bro, they're bad.

@Cinderkin

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. There's no way Manon is better than Dhalsim and Honda.

@sarcasticsuperjerk18

2 ай бұрын

You have no idea. I tried playing Gief, got perfected in two sets, and decided to make an exception for my “play the low tiers” policy 😭

"you can jab ken out of dragonlash" Laughs in fully charged light gladius

@juice6521

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, commit that mental stack to one move the whole match! Woo

@numa2k147

3 ай бұрын

Light punch will put him in a forced knockdown and you'll get waaaayy more damage and oki 🤤🤤🤤🤤

@elfpi55-bigB0O85

3 ай бұрын

Marisa mains don't know abt Oki lol ​@@numa2k147

@JG-tr8ph

3 ай бұрын

Marisa user not thinking? Nooo, never(!)

@PillzmansFox

3 ай бұрын

Y'all don't know what a joke is at all, y'all have to be butthurt from losing to a Marisa lol

I dont care about tiers, ill play my main gief forever. You think im d tier? How about i grab you. Hes just a fun, funny goofy guy with potential, im sticking with him.

@cosmic5665

3 ай бұрын

Dw bro, gief mains and others are insane gief downplayers

Brian you forgot to talk about SF5 Zangief. I see him in your thumbnail. How will he affect the meta?

No shot Ed is under Ryu. He literally turns off most character's fireball game off and can beat it. Midscreen he is a menace with flicker moves and spamming ex flicker grab for a free 50/50 is crazy. His close range isn't as bad as people think. Honestly I think people are yet to crack his gameplan and place him way too low than what he really is.

thank you Brian_Fightinggames

That Akuma rank was hilarious. Well played sir.

I love the idea of this kind of tier list more than early/mid season tier lists

A pretty good tier list, and I still belive this is one of the best balances for a launch for an fg. These lists have gone back and forth so much, I think Capcom knew full well what they were doing with less updates. Many updates feel in the end like reaction changes, before we even get to settle in a game they are changing things. They gave enough room for peoole to properly learn the game and as a result would you look at that? These tier lists have changed as much as with more frequent balance changes. Also goes to show how deep they have gone with this game. I still believe this is the best sf ever. Played them all since day 1, this here is by far my favourite

ed downplay is fuckiiinnnnnnnnnnnn crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

i came straight to the comments after hearing the leshar chun comments and seeing how many people are downplaying chun in this comments section is insane to me. just because all you watched is capcom cup doesnt mean leshar is the ONLY chun. moke was a real threat to every single tournament in japan highly considered one of the best players out right now but because he wasnt in CC he doesnt exist? HAITANI GOT 6TH AT EVO VEGAS WITH MODERN CHUN GUYS THERES A REASON JAPAN PUTS HER AT TOP 5 IN THE TIER LIST

Honestly, excellent tier list. Agreed with 90% of this

lol the akuma overview got me 😅😂😂

Love to see my boy Blanka up in the big wigs after he was trash tier in SFV. Hopefully wake-up DR doesn’t mess him up too much next patch.

I will not downplay Chun but I will say there's no way she's a whole tier above Guile or Rashid. I'm gonna be honest I think putting her in a different tier from JP is downplay on JP but at least JP got nerfed, so I can be open to that. And for effort -> reward she's easily below Ken or Dee Jay but maybe you're not factoring that in as heavily. Or the biggest reason to put Chun lower: Where are the Chuns? Where are the new chuns especially. People have swapped to Dee Jay or Blanka, but for Chun Li it's the opposite, Leshar is playing more Luke nowadays and Valmaster picked up Kim and Blanka. Shine upgraded from Kimberly, that's the only one I can think of. Not a whole lot of Chuns making waves.

@Jonfgc

3 ай бұрын

I do think Jp being beneif is odd and I guess she does have to work harder than a lot of characters

Will always be a strive fan but still interesting. I don’t think it’s a balance thing, but it’s the fact that footsies puts a huge bottleneck on the character design. Like some characters seemed redundant or obsolete. Having bad neutral against a character with better neutral was super frustrating, whether the matchup was possible or not. Some characters just lost so much agency against specific characters and to win it felt like you weren’t playing your character but against the other character

HEY NEW BRINE EFF VID LETS GOOOOO

As a Gief main who dabbles in the other two grabblers, putting him below Lily feels wild to me. Zangief has very good potential for mind games, and I see the "trickiness" Brian mentioned as one of his strengths. Lily, on the other hand, feels like she's way too reliant on the Wind Stock mechanic, and her gameplan is a bit too simple even when she does have stocks.

@cosmic5665

3 ай бұрын

Gief is honestly the best grappler Manon is kinda bad as well

@munchatize_me

3 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. Both have the basic grappler guessing game gimmick, but Gief's kit actually has a decent variety of tools and only relies on drive meter. Lily needs meter and stocks, and even when she has both her gameplan is so simple it's boring to play as and against. I understand Brine's point that Lily is more straightforward and Gief is riskier/more volatile, but her simplicity is really a detriment in a game like SF6 I think. She has some miserable matchups and DI wrecks her. Gief is fun to play at the very least.

@bio0link

3 ай бұрын

Because in Masters Zangief has no consistency at all. What ever mind games you have in mind almost certainly don't matter in the skill bracket Brian plays in. I'm in masters and have been a gief main since SF2 and this is the most inconsistent gief has ever been. Most of his shit doesn't work, and the stuff he does have doesn't work half the time. He has the worst defense in the game, the worst and most inconsistent anti airs in the game, almost no good hit confirms, and some of the most useless moves in the game. He has the worst matchups in the game, with almost no winning ones, hes the worst character in the game.

@munchatize_me

3 ай бұрын

​@@bio0link "b-but what about Snake Eyez?" You're right, but I don't want you to be, lol. Still, I'd rather lose as Gief than win as Lily. I just think it's weird to put Lily that high on the list, because besides being boring, she's not very good or consistent, and the only matchups she doesn't totally suffer against are the other grapplers and Marissa (haven't paid much attention to her since ED, so idk about him). It's hard for me to believe those four characters are better than Gief, but that much worse than Lily. I'm biased, but the brapplers in SF6 feel like they need their own tier on the bottom (tho is that really an SF6 thing, or just a grappler thing?)

@bio0link

3 ай бұрын

@@munchatize_me Its a grappler thing to be near the bottom in most fighting games but its for different reasons than it used to be. In the past grapplers struggled because of how polarizing their match ups were often outright losing to a lot of characters so badly that the match up was over after the first interaction. Their mobility and neutral tools tended to be really really awful and their only saving grace tended to be the fact that once they got in which was really hard, they tended to stay in with powerful okizeme and usually vortex. In SF6 grapplers are shit because they lack oki and pressure tools in a game basically defined by these things. It doesn't matter if they have good damage on their command grabs or better neutral tools and mobility than they did in older games. They just currently can't get to a position where they can run their offence effectively and 9 times out of 10 any interaction they do win ends up resetting to neutral which is awful in SF6 because everyone and their mother can start and maintain their offence because of drive rush. This is only made worst by the fact that they have really bad defensive options in SF6 so they get mauled if they lose neutral once. You can win neutral as gief 6 times in a row but because he has awful hit confirms you usually only get that button and slowly walking them into the corner. But then you get clipped by a crouching medium kick and then all of a sudden those 6 wins in neutral are completely undone and then some and now your on the ground eating a meaty with no agency at all. This is why gief is the worst in the game because he really has no way to stay in, no way to defend himself, and can't use the drive mechanics very effectively. Lily and Manon may have some worst tools in their kit than gief but they aren't as suspectable to the game defining mechanics that SF6 are built around so they aren't as feast or famine as he is. Like Lily's oki isn't that great but at least she has some neutral skips that force the opponent to deal with her and when she does reset to neutral she has something she can do with wind stocks. Oh I forgot to mention Gief is tied with the slowest back dash in the game with Marisa so he can't actually back dash meaty throws and punish them like other characters which is really bad because throws are really good, so one of his only options against normal throws is heavily gimped.

I think its wishful thinking, as a Jamie main, but i can appreciate everyone acknowledging his current underdog status and being wary of him for future updates. He really does have such potential.

I hope they revert some of the damage scaling on Jamie’s command grab. Not all of it but like half maybe. Not a lot of reason to use it right now.

I disagree with part of this. Fighting Cammy with Ed is a cake-walk since a bunch of her abilities lock her in the air so you can bet on using heavy flicker more often than not. Ed also isn't a projectile character so Cammy running around his fireballs isn't that big of a deal either.

Manon was my favorite character and most played when I first start playing i think an issue w Manon is how her two main gameplay mechanics are strong but kinda work against each other , her footsie / ballet side wants to keep them at a medium - long range while her throw/judo side wants to be close and the stock mechanic can make u play riskier early on they did kind of attempt to bridge the two with her suction /pull in moves but they aren’t strong enough and there is enough space after the pull in for them to react and since they know what your trying to do can prevent it easily, I think buffing those moves and maybe adding one more would really help her as well

Great job Brian. Don't worry, there are some sane people out there that don't take tier lists too seriously.

I don't think I'm good enough with Chun to make the most out of her tools even though I can tell how strong she can be in the right hands. The whole reason I picked her was because I wanted to learn how to hold space since my last character was all rushdown all the time, so I guess I'm still working on it.

@Jonfgc

3 ай бұрын

I main her and she’s awesome! I do think she needs a nerf on her meter gain tho but other than that she’s a very solid character with a lot of tech. She felt like a lot of pain and misery when I was learning her but it’s awesome when you learn everything.

Fair analysis Brian. At the moment im still getting clipped by Ed's long reach jump ins. Also his DRC range is ludacris. I worry about getting clipped and dying long range more than ken and luke. Specifically at a mid to long range which is typically where i like to engage and control neutral with my playstyle.

As a Kim player.. I like the way she's balanced. She has messed up mixups and vortex but it all costs meter and ALOT of meter for the messed up ones and in those ones there's multiple interactions to guess right. So she puts you in the slot machine but if you guess right she's probably near burnout. Like take OD tk tatsu for example. Yes it's a tricky crossup and can be hard to react to, but it can be ducked, she can only link a 5f from it if it's just a regular hit so you don't punished that bad for not blocking it, and if she wants to extend the damage it's going to cost a total of 5 bars minimum (2 for OD, 3 for DRC). And with no defensive options, she's on a very thin tight rope if the opponent swings momentum and she gets burned out. But it feels fair.

I play Juri, JP and AKI mostly and I gotta say I think you're spot on with all of them. I would've definitely said JP is second best in the game pre nerfs but now A tier is definitely a good place for him, same with Juri. I thought AKI was absolutely terrible for the first few months she was out but as I started to learn how she was actually supposed to be playing I was able to hit Master with her, she's definitely better than was originally thought.

how does ken go from top 1 or 2 they slap him on the wrist by putting him a little bit farther from the corner after throw (still has throw loop pressure) and is now top 10 barely top 5 be for fucking real man.

I think better tier names to hammer that first point home woulda been S, S-, A, A-, and B+ I'm genuinely extremely impressed at how balanced it ended up being for the first season of a SF game

I used Dhalsim to climb to the master level. He is fun to play, but he is not really strong, especially at the master level. Once you're knocked into a corner, you'll face a constant throw loop and find it difficult to escape. Dhalsim lacks invincibility skills, and his SA2 is also unreliable, making him very weak against tough matchups such as Cammy, Ken, or Juri Just like this : You often spend most of your time trying to zone them out, but one mistake lets them jump in, and then it's almost game over when they start their combo, taking away 50-70% of your HP, pushing you into the corner, and you'll face a constant throw loop and find it difficult to escape.

@bwnnn

3 ай бұрын

This is my experience, too. You can knowledge check your way through diamond pretty easily, but one you're going against players who are better versed in the matchup, Sim's lack of defensive options really starts to drag you down. That's why I hope recovery drive reversal will be a game changer for him. I'm not saying my boy needs an invincible OD reversal or even an invincible SA1, zoners are supposed to be weak once you get in on them. Just that an SA2 that whiffs on crouchers and a slow SA3 are not viable defensive options in this game. Tbh, I'd absolutely trade his current SA2 for one that's just a normal invuln attack and not a charged projectile. I can count the number of rounds I've won using SA2 in a checkmate chip sequence on one hand. Big damage from fully charged SA2 stun combos is nice to have. But the utility of a consistent SA2 reversal would easily outweigh those benefits, IMO. I don't think that's too much to ask.

There's a very real timeline where season 2 Luke will end up being better than Akuma lol the ending is accurate.

Like how the Editor Played Alex's Theme during E. Honda segment. Because those two characters do in fact have some commonalities LOL. take care Brian!

Jamie should've gone lower. As a Jamie main, not only is it difficult to get drinks in, in some cases it becomes impossible. In a fireball war his anti projectile, bukkai (236K), is barely AP. You're only options are flying kick and drive rush, which get easily punished even on reaction. It becomes a ridiculous fight to close the gap and get a drink cause you don't even have that options until you get one in. Jamie has all the tools he needs, but none of the means or power to get them reasonably without major risk.

I would put Ken on S tier, but this tierlist is pretty accurate ngl. Good job, Frine_B.

I've never thought JP was even a bad matchup as a Guile player especially post patch. Just like in SF5, his matchup spread is EXTREMELY even, where he's slightly winning or even against most of the cast. I do think he has a losing matchup into Luke though, which is something I don't see people talk about. That said, I think people slightly overplay his winning matchups. Aside from that... eh I think Guile should be S. This version just lacks weaknesses.

For what it's worth I completely agree with you about Jamie. Top of C tier. He's the best of the low tiers.

Im here to downplay my main, they're too high

"luke is still better" DOWN TO MEMPHIS BOI OVER SPICY DEMON MAN

One box to leave you messed up and fractured Block these uppercuts, they made me the captured May the best fighter win, and win again Battle to the top, until his life ends But if his life ends, and he starts to decay Maybe one of his street soldiers can finish things I see ya talking to the game, couldn't be talking to me I got enough to beat, and more soldiers to bury You know, we just clicked in and made you realize This game is twice as hard, You see that with your own eyes You're on the way to choose the kind of life cause ya gotta I tell you from now, which fighter will be the hotter I don't think you've won this one, just practice Just challenge me when your ready, weight your tactics High punches, spin-kicks, watch the back-split I see you in the air when I make you back flip

As a Marisa main, I feel like you put her in the perfect spot

Finally someone with a well balanced opinion about dragonlash. I see people cry about that move still and im like bruh, perfect parry, DI or stand jab its not without a risk

Two differences in our tier lists. Guile and Cammy are top tier and Honda is at the bottom. But you have confirmed by biases, so you win.

Have you ever considered doing an Ed guide, Mr.F? I underatand alot of things with ed like combos, oki, frametraps. I just really struggle with understanding how to approach nuetral with him. Any opponent i face who has some idea how defence works i just feel stuck and start making stupid decisions. Thank you in advance if you happen to read this!!!

I can see this take for Ken. I’d say he’s around 5th-7th, probably not top 3 anymore but definitely the easiest top tier besides maybe Luke. That meant a lot more at the beginning of the game when people just didn’t know how to beat stuff like Jinrai, but I think as people realize how much of Ken’s pressure is fake, his results are gonna take a hit, especially if the people claiming Ken TC can’t be staggered anymore are right and he’s losing some of his REAL pressure

Honestly this is the perfect ed placement, character with good highs but getting into the highs takes a bit of risk which the characters above him dont have to do as much.

Brian, I don’t know if you’re gonna see this, but I think your videos would be greatly improved if you looked at the camera instead of the monitor. Just a better feeling overrall for the videos. Keep up the good work!

@user-et3xn2jm1u

3 ай бұрын

Disagree personally. Don't need Brian staring into my soul for 50 minutes.

@henryduttweiler

3 ай бұрын

@@user-et3xn2jm1u Basically every other youtuber looks at the camera bro, Brian is one of the only ones I can think of that looks like he’s in a podcast for the entire video

@user-et3xn2jm1u

3 ай бұрын

@@henryduttweiler and if every other youtuber jumped off a bridge should Brian too?

@Switcheroo4542

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-et3xn2jm1uare you, by any chance, a school teacher

@bwnnn

3 ай бұрын

Remember during the Road to Warlord and RE4 era when he messed around with the Nvidia AI eye contact filter? That shit was nightmare fuel

Honestly I knew Gief was gonna be down that low because he’s a struggle to use when you don’t have that groove… Chun Li being that high up isn’t a surprise neither, I should use her more often.

@MrDubayoo

3 ай бұрын

U bronze?

Does anyone know where I can check like character matchups? I haven’t played SF6 since last September and I’m not sure what are the matchups for Cammy anymore.

*You can definitely lose to a Marisa player that just wants to party* Lord ain’t that the truth 😂😅

dont know why so many people still thinking ken is next to luke. i even seen someone in the chat saying his dragon lash goes through fireballs lol. once you get into masters, his med jinrai will get punished more than half the time and doesnt have many safe ways to just keep throwing out pressure like other characters above him. luke has so many safe attacks on block. while ken has punishable ones that you can react to. if you get constantly pressured by ken its your fault for staying still. only time hes safe with jinrai is if you dont punish him after the first hit or if he lands the heavy jinrai that you can punish before it lands but still leaves him negative on block. i think his only plus frame attack on block without DR is H dragonlash. even his S.HK is punishable if its not at max range while most others are plus or safe. he might have alot of tools but the balance is that they are react able and punishable.

I like how every single decision on this tierlist has multiple people in chat pissed

All things considered, this game has a pretty narrow top end and bottom end when it comes to power differentials. The only character I feel bad for is Gief, and that's because my main is Chun and I'm pretty confident I can win against most Giefs I'll ever run into. Now, just because the game is pretty well balanced does that mean it is fair? Absolutely not, there's all kinds of degeneracy in this game across all tiers; look at what Honda can do. I also think that this game is so deep that Season 1 hasn't even been fully solved or developed, see opinions on Dhalsim. That said any new changes coming up to give the game a refresh is really appreciated.

Deejay's cr.mk being a slide, a knockdown, an anti-air, and safe is absolutely bonkers to me.

No way you became a Ken downplayer. Sad to see your heros fall.

Loved the end of the video with Akuma 😂

very important question that def is not off topic. What kind of music do you like to shred on guitar?

I think it's mostly fair. I do think of Blanka as higher in my head, but then I see who's above him and I'm like "Yeah, that makes sense." I do think Juri and Marisa may be in the same spot, but called "B Tier" , though I could see Ryu post-buff being a little ahead of Marisa. I also think Lily is more C. And I definitely think "basically same position" but Honda is D tier. People just get butthurt about buttslam, but he's pretty predictable and really Blanka makes it so Honda has no place in this game. He does everything but better. I say all this as an Ed main who struggled through Marisa, Honda and JP during Season 1 just waiting for Ed to come out cause he was my main in SF5 after switching off Bison. Even now Ed's changes from SF5 make me think I should just start playing Luke instead since he's got similar, but better, gameplay. Anyway, fun tier-list. As always, appreciate your content.

I wanna talk about lvl2s. Gimme the tier list

Isn’t akuma part of season 1 or is this the before first balance patch tier list

Have they released another balance patch recently.... last time I played Lily was pretty much ass and you barely saw anyone playing her online... did she get buffed?

I think SFV gave a bad look for SF in general when it comes to Buffs and Nerfs because now people think if a character is strong or bad in the game then it means they only need a buff or a nerf with no level of subtlety. from what we've seen im hopeful that we will see balance changes throughout the cast to let them all shine and give more variety to what characters can do rather then just mindlessly buffing or nerfing characters. Last thing we need is Capcom artificially moving characters all around the tier lists just for an illusion of top tier variety and screwing over anyone who happened to enjoy a character who was considered strong.

Chun-li over Juri is wild. One is a popular character that won a million follar tournament and the other has won nothing and 3 people play and nobody uses as a secondary. Chun gets boosted because nobody downplays her becasue almost nobody plays her, if she is s tier people would play her. There is no proof she is that good where are the top player numbers? Where are the tournament results? People don't actually analyze her play they just parrot what they hear and it's stuck becasue nobody challenges it. Brian should actually form his own opinion.

Cammy is absolutely underrated.

I think there are two types of tier lists for this game. A general one and one at the very top level. Take DJ, at almost every level he's S tier,he's amazing.he very very rarely appears in major top 8s or 16s. At that level the players have basically 1 desicion tree for charecter selection. At other levels though the variety is more important. I think this is by far and away the most balanced fighting game at release I've ever seen and I'm really glad campcom didn't balance patch ot for a year, I hope they go that long again.

The Bird brothers always downplaying Ken, saying he isn't top tier, and that Ed might be better. Why aren't more people calling them out on that absolute BS?

My million dollar character is not even top 8. I am satisfied.

Introduction unclear, basing all future life decisions on tierlists EDIT: Non-joke part of comment - as a Chun Li Upplayer she is definitely S, the main thing for her is I feel like she has a higher barrier of entry than the other top tiers like Luke, Ken, Deejay, etc. and as a result you don't see a lot of elite tourney wins for her. She is a little too good at everything but I hope they don't make her stuff worse overall, just harder to coast on

@user-et3xn2jm1u

3 ай бұрын

Her stuff is already hard to coast on though. There are so few Chun pros making waves, compared to Dee Jay pros even though on paper they're similarly technical, and obviously nowhere near what Ken or Luke are putting up numbers-wise.

@BHS289

3 ай бұрын

@@user-et3xn2jm1u Yeah, on paper it feels like she has everything but in bracket it's harder (relatively) to be consistent with her

Idc if Ryu a B he still my boy since this is my first SF game

@doctordice2doctordice210

3 ай бұрын

Honestly being around high mid to low high tier is his default You being a jack of all traits and a master of none

I absolutely hate Luke not not calling him S tier is brain rot

>palm is underrated I knew I should have been spamming it more

Thank you for feeding my Zangief downplay. Mr. F

I main Aki, I'd probably put her in the top of C tier....which is only 2 characters down from where Brian F puts her, but still I find she's got a decent amount of jank in her kit, and her matchups are generally not in her favor.

LESGO BRINE

As a master ranked Marisa, she loses a lot to characters with multi hit special moves too

ANGRY COMMENT ABOUT SOL

@DEADSTARZ

3 ай бұрын

Circle jerk anime squad

@babalovesyou

3 ай бұрын

Sol Badguy!