I didn't know until today that a local person was responsible for putting the right game on. I had simply assumed that someone in a central location selected a bunch of feeds to get one game and a bunch to get the other.

If I had a nickel for every time there was a broadcast controversy involving ESPN and a no-hitter, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

@MarloSoBalJr

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To think Dr. Doofenshmirtz accidentally created an iconic quote 😂

I was playing in an adult softball league, so I heard the last few innings on the radio. I don't remember seeing the game on ESPN, but then again, I wasn't home. However, listening to it on the radio was far better and a TV broadcast was unnecessary. We got to hear Vin Scully call the game, and as the crowd was a deafening roar after the last out, Scully says, "If you have a sombrero, throw it to the sky!"

This is very similar to what happened 4 years earlier with ESPN & their first ever World Cup. Before I go further, I should point out that the 1986 World Cup was covered by two different broadcasters when it came to the English language rights in the US NBC (who mostly covered weekend matches) & ESPN (who basically covered everything else). In addition to the weekend matches, NBC also was given the rights to air both semifinal games & the final. However because they were contractually obligated to show not one but two different soap operas (Days of Our Lives & Another World) during the daytime weekday slate & because both semifinals took place on weekdays, NBC was unable to show the semifinals of the World Cup. FIFA was about to tell American viewers that the only way they could watch the World Cup semifinals was in Spanish but at the last minute, ESPN unprompted decided to show both semifinals on their network. Both NBC & FIFA were absolutely livid with ESPN, NBC especially so since ESPN used NBC's camera crews & announcers (which included NFL play by play man Charlie Jones) to do this without NBC's permission. Unlike this, ESPN stayed with the broadcast of both World Cup semifinals even when told to stop by FIFA. Because of this controversy, FIFA rightfully decided that for future World Cups one American broadcaster would have the rights for English & Spanish broadcasts. For those wondering how those semifinals turned out, Germany beat France 2-0 & Argentina (with Diego Mardona) beat Belgium by the same score.

@WaltGekko

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NBC could have pre-empted the soaps for two days to accommodate the World Cup semifinals. The problem was, doing so would have resulted in tons of angry calls from fans of the shows not understanding the importance of the World Cup and being selfish about it. Ironically, we NOW have seen CBS in recent years pre-empting daytime programming during the week for Champions league matches EXCEPT when such started at 4:00 PM ET (due to the period where the US is on daylight savings time but Europe is still on standard time) with the second legs due to the possibility of overtime and penalty kicks knocking out local and the CBS Evening news if such games went to penalty kicks.

@danielanderson4726

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@@WaltGekko Remember that NBC aired Another World before many LCS games going way back to 1973. So i'm sure that they could have gotten the World Cup semifinals moved to a 3pm start, like the MLB games.

@WaltGekko

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@@danielanderson4726 There is a thing called the west coast, where the noon editions of local news likely would have been pre-empted, so no. Today is much different.

@chriskay1449

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@@WaltGekko That is because CBS got rid of all of their soap opera's save "The Young and the Restless" and have gone with talk shows which get a far smaller and less rabid fanbase.

@chriskay1449

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@@danielanderson4726 You don't know FIFA. FIFA does not bend to anyone. It's their way or the highway. NBC did not have any sway with FIFA like they did MLB.

8 years after 1982 the Cardinals still beating the Brewers

I live 6 hours north of NYC, I am a Red Sox fan but when they play the Yankees, I don't get the game. Under MLB ridiculous black out rules I am blacked out from watching it on NESN, but I don't get YES, because they are not on any streaming platform I pay for.

In those days in the St Louis area we were served by three different cable providers. Where I live, we were not served by Cencom, so this was not even noticed by many.

@dgendvil

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Syndex rules too?

In 1990, New York Met games were on WOR (channel 9) and a cable channel (I think at the time it was called "Sportschannel".. but they changed cable channels in the 90's a few times. Pretty much it was half of the games were on channel 9 and half on the cable.. Same broadcast teams for both. But only channel 9 games got Kiner's Korner after the game 😀 Kiner was a LEGEND. Both on the field and in the broadcast booth. Hall of Fame player, one of the greatest home run hitters of all time.. Some of his mistakes in the broadcast booth were legendary! Like when he kept calling Gary Carter "Gary Cooper".. or calls like "It's a long drive deep to left.. it's going... going... and Mazzilli catches it in shallow left field." Just look up "Kinerisms".. He made watching Mets games (especially when they had a BAD team) fun! Someone compiled a 3 hour video kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z3um1diypJjeoNY.html

@8644mec

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Not exactly the same broadcast teams. Fran Healy would only do Sportschannel games and never WWOR

@WaltGekko

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When he was with the Philadelphia Inquirer, in his Sunday column Jayson Stark actually had a "Kinerisms of the Week" section where readers submitted theirs.

@dgendvil

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Is syndex & blackout rules the same? The syndex rules came in effect earlier in January of that year.

At that time in 1990 Mets games were shown on Sportschannel NY and WWOR

@Musicradio77Network

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And also the Yankees were on WPIX-TV (channel 11) and on MSG Network due to the same blackout rules.

I remember that day. Me and my family went to Ontario CA to spend the day and I saw the A's/Jays at my cousin but it was early and we played Nintendo. Then we got home and my dad put on ESPN and there it was in bonus coverage Cardinals/Dodgers

@runrafarunthebestintheworld

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I still remember seeing the Walmart corporation office in Ontario. It's huge. Ontario has nice mountains.

Love the videos man keep it up.

Both Dave Stewart and Fernando Valenzuela wore #34 for their teams and both got their numbers retired by their teams (though neither team harly ever retires numbers of non Hall of Famers)

If ESPN wasn’t supposed to broadcast this game. Why would they have a camera crew at the game?

@jaguargator7

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The whole country got this game. It’s just that St. Louis was supposed to be blacked out

"Mariners and Brewers fans in St. Louis"... what, all 12 of them? :D

Introducing, JaguarGator7! Baseball!

1990 was the first year that ESPN televised MLB games.

Another factoid about this pair of no-hitters that night, Dave Stewart and Fernando Valenzuela were briefly teammates with the Dodgers, until Stewart was traded to Texas in 1983. What I'm trying to get is this also the first time one-time teammates pitched no-hitters on the same day .

I remember watching the Stewart no-hitter and staying up for the Cards-Dodgers because it was summer and 11-year-old me thought maybe something else cool would happen. Great random memory.

If I remember only time ESPN would aired local team is if the local channel of the road team not airing the game

KPLR TV Channel 11 St Louis The ones to watch

Too bad you couldn't find KPLR's footage of this game given what you discussed here. This seems to be a headend issue and those still happen to this day from time to time. RSNs with multiple feeds sometimes show a game to a zone it's not supposed to go to.

I live in south alabama on the florida border. I have watched the braves play before the florida marlins were ever a thought. I am in the braves blackout area. After the marlins and rays became expansion team things got weird. If the braves were on espn the local broadcast did not show the game. Because i was in the braves blackout area espn would show the alternate game. We were supposed to get the home broadcast but got nothing, this went on for several years and hopefully is resolved now.

You could do a video about Kerry Wood’s 20 strikeout game 25 years ago today

What's funny is that ESPN's practice at the time was to do only 2 feeds when they had non-exclusive doubleheaders... the Primary Feed, which had the main games, and the Alternate feed, regardless if your home game was at 7:30 ET or 10:30 ET. To have this incident happen meant one of two things. One was Cencom dropping the ball, and aired the wrong game at 6:30 (which would've been Red-Mets, when they should've aired OAK-TOR), and no one realized it, since either Reds-Mets or A's-Blue Jays can air in St. Louis no problems. OR 2) Once ESPN realized that Dave Stewart was on track for a no-hitter, they switched everyone outside of Oakland to OAK-TOR on Both feeds, and Cencom didn't realize ESPN consolidated the feed, since they got OAK-TOR from the start.

@brianoneill7186

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If you had the alternate feed for one game, you had it for both. Reds-Mets should have aired in St. Louis.

@ElFuego35

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Go to 9:28. That listing that JaguarGator showed that St. Louis was supposed to have gotten OAK-TOR, which along with MIL-SEA was the alternate game. That's why I speculated that either the headend or ESPN screwed up, and picked up the primary feed by mistake, or that once ESPN saw that a potential no-hitter was happening in Toronto, they switched everyone outside of the Bay Area to OAK-TOR, and the local headend didn't know until they got the phone calls about it.

@brianoneill7186

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@@ElFuego35 That's not how ESPN did things in the 90s. They had separate feeds for 'A' and 'B' games, and, except for cut-ins when someone was going for a no-hitter or a record, there was not supposed to be any switching between feeds. St. Louis should have had Reds-Mets early, not A's-Jays.

one of the last games managed by the white rat...hey do a deep dive into the Whitey Herzog fallout with the red birds around this time, its pretty layered from the little ive read, that dam white rat always giving the semi juggernaut mid 80s Mets fits, id remember Straw saying if he managed em instead of Davey Johnson theyd be winning 120 a year..SNUBBB...one of the coal mine canaries of the 80's to 90 transition..the decline of STL

As a dodgers and a St Louis Cardinals fan I always loved watching how Fernando pitched especially when had one of the best screwball pitches that he could ever do

1990 Dodgers started bad but picked it up in 2nd half finishing 2nd in the NL West and would've had a shot had the Reds not lead the division by 45 games

I wonder what people in Iowa and NW Illinois got to watch that night as both the Cardinals and Brewers are blacked out.

@WaltGekko

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I think in that situation ESPN was allowed to bring one of the two feeds in.

@WaltGekko

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Also the blackout areas were different then and have undergone adjustments over time.

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