Hey all; an error in audio mixing clipped the end of a couple words in this video - my apologies. What character or topic do you want to explore next?

@digitalbookworm5678

Ай бұрын

The only truly original character of the last 2 of Frank's books. Miles Teg

@tadbennet3087

Ай бұрын

Where exactly does it say that he grew up on Geidi Prime? That seems to be confused with Gurney or I'm simply missing something. I don't remember reading that anywhere. Any clarification would be appreciated

@mattiavelli

Ай бұрын

@@digitalbookworm5678 Miles Teg would be great, he truly is an amazing character -- but I think Siona was also pretty original, don't you?

@KUBLAIKHAN420

Ай бұрын

duncan idaho sounds so much like a spaghetti western cowboy name

@jondawkins8478

Ай бұрын

​@@tadbennet3087 in the expanded universe books that are prequels to the original dune. He lives in Harko city and after his family is killed he is taken to be hunted by Rabban because he likes hunting kids. He escapes and ends up on Caladan. But i don't remember a sister either.

Kind of funny how the ultimate protagonist and hero of the series dies early in the first book.

@srj607able

Ай бұрын

No worries he will come back for the third movie

@DonLoco3

Ай бұрын

And told after being essentially pimp slapped he was "just an older model."

@spencertherren6806

Ай бұрын

Ned Stark. 👌

@DeathBYDesign666

Ай бұрын

It's just the Jesus trope, it isn't that mysterious.

@iremembersleep3083

Ай бұрын

@@DeathBYDesign666 It's the Yeshua trope in the same way that a lobster shitting in the sea encompasses all Poseidon tropes.

Idaho is the sole human witness staying across the age-long dreams of the Atreides dinasty

@Yujifanik

Ай бұрын

He is the audience!

@mattiavelli

Ай бұрын

Except that whatever is the current Duncan is missing SOME of his memories, no? The Tleilax always had a spare ready to go...

@calvinsuu1949

Ай бұрын

The God Emperor knows all...even when Duncan took a fart

During his 1001st life Duncan opens his first donut shop and so began his quest for true freedom and financial wealth.

@martinmoylan9394

Ай бұрын

😂

@Narukosaki

Ай бұрын

And his first spare tire stomach​@@martinmoylan9394

@jhern083

Ай бұрын

America runs on Idaho

@weylandyutani9622

Ай бұрын

“Duncan Donuts” for real 😂

@andykapfenstein7032

Ай бұрын

Right next to his new best friend's shop, BOB'S BURGERS

Frank Herbert: Over reliance on resources and thinking machines will be the doom of human civilisation, only through the unparalleled humanity of Duncan Idaho can the species hope for a peaceful existence. Brian Herbert: What if he was a cyborg too? That sounds nice.

@ltvagabond

15 күн бұрын

Brian, the literary equivalent of a trust fund kid

@theflashgordon193

3 күн бұрын

😂

Duncan Idaho is so funny, it makes me think of the entire state of Idaho completely filled with Dunkin Donuts

@weylandyutani9622

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 can’t get that out of my mind now every time I hear Duncan Idaho

@KentuckyBrad

Ай бұрын

How childish

@realityisenough

Ай бұрын

I choked on my pepsi lmfao

@weylandyutani9622

Ай бұрын

@@KentuckyBrad goofy fish cat

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

Gee, that's a 'funny' thought...and so original!

Duncan’s story is of the triumph of morality over cruelty. He is tested again and again, through thousands of years and countless lifetimes, he never submitted to tyranny, never comprised his beliefs. And through through his boundless humanity he saves humanity.

@jayleefarley6912

Ай бұрын

He’s a warrior greater than a dozen Sardukar a man respected by Ferman

@SufferingSucotash

Ай бұрын

He's also, sadly, a slave.

@kevinburris6250

13 күн бұрын

He did get a bit whiney and immature in god emperor but made up for it in heretics lol. Sexual domination ehh I’m about to flip you over and turn the tables 😅

Came here to learn about the back story of Duncan Idaho…. Left absolutely fuckin mind blown.

@other-terrestriallifeform1851

Ай бұрын

It's an addictive franchise truly. I know most of it but have yet to read the entirety, I swear I will though!

@theflashgordon193

3 күн бұрын

​@@other-terrestriallifeform1851Me too watch a ton of content on it 😅

Idaho in Dune: cool warrior gets drunk and ends killing like 20 "behind camera" Idaho in the rest of the books: fcking Neo in the 1000 cycle of Zion

@user-nz6dx2fj6h

19 күн бұрын

That makes no sense. We’re you writing in English?

@MathematicalSound

17 күн бұрын

It’s obviously English. Do you understand English?

Idaho was integral to letos golden path, his honor was attreides honor, and Leto felt this was the best for all humanity.

Duncan Idaho's point work with the Fremen before full Atreides arrival on Arrakis was kinda glossed over a bit in the first film.

@EbonySeraphim

Ай бұрын

Having not read the books, I could tell there was a lot there. Honestly, that kind of thing makes for a great spin-off / supplementary movie!

Jason Momoa is about to make so much money

@theamericandream5917

27 күн бұрын

I hope Denis doesn’t go down this route. It’d make the movie seem like it’s too much science fiction even for Dune

@KHfan0011

27 күн бұрын

@@theamericandream5917 Nope. Sorry. I hope he does. He hasn't had any chill so far. It would suck if he started at the movie where it's supposed to get batshit insane.

@greenbean4422

18 күн бұрын

​@theamericandream5917 what the fuck are you talking about You know what a gold navigator is? What the kwisatz haderach final form is? Genuinely, you don't have any idea of what you're talking about Bro is debating what is too science fiction while he doesn't even consume the media

@livingashtree1942

14 күн бұрын

I don't think momoa is reprising that role (His age)

So glad I found this channel. Y'all are up there with Alt Shift X, the Templin Institute, and Quinn's Ideas for my scifi fix. Keep it up!

@aaronmcpherson1297

Ай бұрын

right!

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

I appreciate it and am glad you enjoy the Dune content!

@user-gd4ku5se8h

Ай бұрын

If you're looking for quality Dune content check out Doc Sloan's Science Fiction Station channel. On it you'll find Doc's PHd thesis on Dune. It's themes, place in SciFi history, influences and character analysis. I really like his three part series which traces the Greek myth origins of the Curse of House Atradis. He also does a weekly book club. As of now we're on Messiah with intention to do all six original books. We'd love to see you there.

He didn't have 1000 lives, no one knows how many lives he had, he and Siona however had a 1000 sons. That's where GW got the idea for the thousand sons army.

Duncan was the true KH. It begs the question that in fact Duncan is the physical manifestation of free will. He's the only one that has in fact defied Prescience.

@Joce-bl7qi

26 күн бұрын

@IdgaradLyracant Ehhh, Idk the validity of saying “Duncan is the physical manifestation of free will” when he is cloned/resurrected/brought back so many times. It’s not like he chooses to do that on his own. That type of control over someone is the opposite of physical free will.

@IdgaradLyracant

26 күн бұрын

@@Joce-bl7qi Of all the characters, he's the only one that appears to have made an actual choice that wasn't bound by prescience.

@prathmeshlagdive4335

5 күн бұрын

​@@IdgaradLyracant that is not true at all tho. In God Emporer, Letho knew what role he played and he played exactly that role.

One of the Ducans led the remainder of the Sardukar in a rebellion...ironic considering how he died the first time.

''the Duncans'' will always crack me up.

Impressive summation of Idaho, catching the far reaching purpose of his reiterations, a concise self manifestation of the multi lives. Your work helped me pull together the path envisioned by the writer(s) from the beginning. Thanks.

Think of it in video game terms. Save the final one, the Gholas’ memories at “birth” all went right up until at the death of the original. So that was the base “safe file”. They wouldn’t remember the memories of the gholas that came before them, only that of the original. It wasn’t until the final ghola that he was able to remember ALL the memories of the gholas that came before.

@fascilime

Ай бұрын

Fans of Invincible would also be able to recognize this trope from a character who has exactly this happen to him, but his body is secretly an android with a bit of brain inside.

@SantomPh

Ай бұрын

Final Idaho was the only one with Kwiswatz Haderach powers,which give him access to all his ancestors ' memory

I confess I always mistake him with Gurney Halleck. Both are from Giedi Prime, both lost at least one family member because of the Harkonen, both want to kill Raban, and both are great swordfighters. I mean, appart of that, yes, they are totally different. ;)

@ugoeze7360

Ай бұрын

Was Gurney a SwordMaster too?

@user-lf2kk2rj8k

Ай бұрын

Yeah.. a big failure of story writing.

@thearmchairjournalist566

Ай бұрын

@@ugoeze7360No, not a trained sword master

@Emanon...

Ай бұрын

Gurney plays the baliset and has a scar. Big difference!

@airporttrucker8529

Ай бұрын

Gurney was the war master not the sword master. Perhaps some overlap in their roles. Gurney was more of an all rounder with skills encompassing military strategy and utilising lazgun.

I still think he should have been played by Sean Bean in the newer films. It’s the role he was born for.

@thearmchairjournalist566

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@irulan9161

Ай бұрын

Sean Bean is way too old for this part

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

Sean Bean is way too old and way too white...Jason Momoa fits the book description of Duncan Idaho perfectly imo (dark, curly haired, good looking, etc.)

@chrisa7905

Ай бұрын

@@koko40800pretty sure they were making a joke not an actual suggestion. The character continuously dies, just like 90% of Sean Bean’s roles.

@GZilla311

Ай бұрын

@@chrisa7905We're running out of living actors who are known for dying over and over.

Loved this entire vid. Well written and presented. I wish a longform was made into a kinda movie with a plus effects

One of the cruelest fates of about any character in fiction

@WyattDucar

Ай бұрын

Exactly, in fact being resurrected over and over again is far worse than death itself. At least Leto I and Paul were able to find peace. I do feel bad for Duncan as he watch everyone he knew and love die like files!

@mori_Jin.

Ай бұрын

"(Thinks of Guts & wonder's of this is true)"

@imnotacat5299

Ай бұрын

​@@WyattDucar He wasn't resurrected, he was cloned. They just have their past memories awakened. There is no resurrection in this series. Once you die, you die.

@DaddyLogan420

Ай бұрын

@@imnotacat5299eh semantics. He’s a clone with all his memories so he’s still the same person technically. Died and now he’s back. Resurrection

@ThePenitentSquirrel

Ай бұрын

@@imnotacat5299 Consider 'God Emeperor of Dune' , If you knew that you would be cloned (a Ghola) and each life you lived was essentially predestined to be killed by the person who keeps on cloning you and that you would eventually be nothing more than a curio from a bygone era I imagine that would be worse then death. Also, each of the Clones eventually does find out the truth and the person cloning you knows it as does his advisors. It's kind of the darkest inside joke ever.

I really enjoyed your combination of quotes and images to punctuate your analysis.

dude, this was really good

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Well done! That’s a great deal of work and well delivered

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

Appreciate it, glad you enjoyed

It took two releases 3 years apart to adapt the first book. I don't know the scale of the later books but even if they can cram in 1 book per movie, Jason Momoa is still going to need his own ghola to do them all.

Duncan was not unequal in sword fighting, Gurney Hallek was better, even Duncan admitted so saying Gurney would beat him 7/10 times.

@ScottSmith-jz8zv

Ай бұрын

I think that was more out of respect than truth

@bobbobertbobberton1073

Ай бұрын

@@ScottSmith-jz8zv No it wasn't.

@benjaminghazi787

Ай бұрын

Gurney is trash

@KyleErrington-bw2cl

Ай бұрын

@@bobbobertbobberton1073did you even watch the video? He says many times Gurney is better

@bobbobertbobberton1073

Ай бұрын

@@KyleErrington-bw2cl Didn't watch it all, but him being 'unequal in sword fighting' was enough for me to comment what I did.

Thanks. They couldn't have had all the Idaho ghola cells, yet he had all those memories. Never explained. Also, Daniel & Marty were NOT robots, they were face dancers who'd become independent. tavi.

In the new version Duncan Idaho is by far my favorite character

This is awesome! I found this channel from being a lover of lore and MTG helped my find you. I kinda ghosted MTG and D&D content about a year ago due to the foul taste the company left me with. However always loved your content and im glad to see i have a reason to come back with some other lore i love. ❤

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

Appreciate and so glad you enjoy the Dune content! MTG has also lifted in my eye, which is why I'm branching out even though I still enjoy its old stories. Any content suggestions worth exploring?

Duncan was always the KH, but the BG never factored a Ghola into the equation 😂

That was fascinating!

I haven't finished reading the original works through yet to look at expanded universe material. I plan to fully embrace the entire course of collective work with my whole heart. DUNE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST 👌 😊 👍

The duncan homophobia mini-arc is always hilarious to me🤣

Fantastic video 👌

greg doucette, i wish i saw this video sooner. Coming out of a semi toxic relationship seeing your video makes me feel less bad about breaking up.

@adamm2091

Ай бұрын

There're plenty of fish in the sea! Good luck!

“You’ll die Duncan.” “Never stopped me before.”

So Gurnie and Duncan have the same backstory? Slaves to the Harconans, and their sisters murdered.

Did you mix Duncan up with Gurney and his sister?

"Dun" in Dune is the acronym for Duncan

I love that we get to see most of this played out on screen. If u haven't seen the old sci-fi channels presentation of Dune & children of dune. U must find and watch! They were mini series not movies. Simply incredible! Bad effects and budget. But the story progression and the actors make it more than watchable.

I love your videos! What is the name of the beginning background music you guys use? It sounds so epic and majestic.

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! It is a unique composition made for the channel by a personal friend

@avalontheeldritchwhorror8212

Ай бұрын

@@TheLorebrarians You guys got me into liking Magic! My favorite by you guys are the Guilds of Ravnica and the deep dive of my favorite Magic character Lilliana Vess.

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

@@avalontheeldritchwhorror8212 love to hear it! Magic has so many unique worlds and stories to explore, plus a great game to play

nice one dude

20:30 I think it speaks very well to the humanity of Idaho himself.

I have read that Brian Herbert found his father's old notes (locked in a safe), which outlined the storyline found in thge remaining 2 books.....& completed the Frank's Dune story of fiction.

Imagine being so good at what you do that even after you die, you're not allowed to stay dead. That's why everyone should embrace the mid! Haha

@AbhayPeshin

Ай бұрын

KZread asked me to give a feedback on your comment

@TheChronozoan

Ай бұрын

What does that mean

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

@@TheChronozoan meditate on it bra

Where can i find some of the artwork shown in the video? It is quite pleasing

while a lot of people don't considered Brian's books cannon, I rather like the way he tied the story up

Dune: aka generational curses the epic

Duncan Idaho keeps going & going & going.

I think this channel should get into the 3 bodies problem

@TheChronozoan

Ай бұрын

Just watch Quinns Ideas for 3BP

The witches suspected we didn’t even go to the “same” universe when we folded space. I doubt frank went to all that trouble to get Duncan out there like that just too turn around. Those new books are not good things

I'm gonna watch the rest of the video but I have to say, very easy to mix up gurney halecks early life and Duncan Idaho's 😂

Can’t wait till u guys meet Miles Teg..

Think about making a never ending TV series about Duncan Idaho I would be like some old TV series with over a 1000 episodes

Every young guys secret dream is to get into a badass sword fight. This dude just lived it.

Frank Herbert: omniscient rulers bad question everything maybe take them out even? Yeah His kid: HEY LOOK A COOL GODKING HAHAHA

Duncan Idaho, THE Swordmaster of Ginaz? Yeah, na, yeah: he was trained by the Swordmasters of the Ginaz and thus could be considered A Swordmaster of the Ginaz but not THE.

in Gaelic Duncan means tanned/brown warrior, I think Frank Herbert might of know this when creating the character

18:15 "why keep an idaho ghola" to ensure the atreides line never strays too far from human and has "Atreides loyalty" constantly bred back in. Its like breeding dogs and every so mamy generations readding wolf to the line

You're alive? "The Dark Side of the sand is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." - Duncan Idaho

I would only imagine Jason Momoa as Duncan resurrected many times. It's getting really weird by the moment. Lol 😆

Duncan Idaho moved to Texas and started playing basketball in the mid 90's and changed his name to Tim Duncan.

Duncan Idaho is the Kenny of the Dune universe....😂😂😂

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

'You killed Duncan! Again!"

There is one mistake and that's when you said Leto orchestrated his death. He purposefully avoided looking at his death, and states it multiple times in the book. He states that it is the ultimate surprise whic he reserves for himself

I believe I heard there will be a third “Dune” movie.since Duncan Idaho is reborn again and again, I hope this means we get to see David Momoa again.

@fuckoffgoogle1657

25 күн бұрын

Jason…? 😅

If you're new to dune. Meaning you've only seen the new ones, but loved em. And you haven't read Frank Herbert's beloved books. Then you simply must watch the sci-fi presentations of Dune and Children of dune. So much more detail. Both are 3dics long so you get alot of the stuff you missed from the books.

Interesting. I'm unsure how it's more advantageous to have memory access to all of your own cloned lives (across a few millenia), over how Reverend Mothers have access to all other people in their position (across tens of millenia)? Surely the later is much more divergant and has increased wealth to draw from?

Indeed

We can stop watching @29:00.

@rookregent5623

Ай бұрын

Exactly where im paused homie aint no reason to go further lol

I have to ask : should you pronounce Matres “M-ah-ter”, like “Mother” in latin?

@thearmchairjournalist566

Ай бұрын

I thought it was pronounced Mate’ers

@Emanon...

Ай бұрын

Plural: Matres

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

Great question. Pronunciation in Dune is always a divisive topic. As there are few instances of "this is definitely how it's pronounced" I leave it to this: I'll pronounce them how I will, and you will pronounce them how you will.

I want a whole movie that revolves around the sardukar those guys F.

To my mind the books started to falter the further they moved from the Atreides. The whole thing with Duncan being the "ultimate" Kwisatz Haderach killed if for me. Herbert's son, who cowrote the later books said they were working from Frank Herbert's notes but I like many fans have called bullshit over the years.

I love your content, truly, but please invest in a high quality pop filter or something. Getting some rough peaking on "s" and "f"

It's kind of a surprise that Herbert's sons didn't work Paul and Leto II into the dna mix of the eventual final Duncan...

Guess he really knew how to use his blade with Alia

They need to do a Duncan Idaho movie ... They could do the fremin years with him 1st at arakis finding the fremin and flash backs and other the options are infinite but it needs done . 😎🤟Allways been my all time Fave character

@thearmchairjournalist566

Ай бұрын

Fremen - sorry but as I worship the books I couldn’t help myself 😂

@danielestevao5

Ай бұрын

Dumb

@Fireflash83

Ай бұрын

@@thearmchairjournalist566 I know I know as a book audio worshiper I'm apauled at my grammar 🤣

@Fireflash83

Ай бұрын

@@danielestevao5 that's reply is dumb melt 🫠

Final book gives such a disservice to the core theme of Frank Herbert's books. Thousands of pages on how we can't trust heroes and supreme rulers, just to get übermensch Idaho merged with supreme AI to create eternal ruler of the known universe. Disgusting

@rookregent5623

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the warning. Thats unfortunate. Frank would be disappointed. I sure am. :(

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

No, because he also represents the ultimate attainment for humanity...if he is an 'eternal ruler' he is an eternal benevolent despot...as close to God as Man can get

@Artuditu123

Ай бұрын

@@koko40800 It's literally "Yeah, he's a despot. but THIS TIME he's truly perfected and will be ideal for ruling all humanity, trust me bro". I don't see how this doesn't go against core message of Frank's books.

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

@@Artuditu123 Because one of the core message of the Dune books is, Human Evolution. Duncan Idaho reached the pinnacle of human evolution, even surpassing Paul and Leto II....Because he was not a tyrant, and he did not inspire bloody jihads...He was the ultimate KH, even surpassing what the Bene Gesserit envisioned, because he could learn from his own past lives...not just from the lives of male ancestors or previous Reverend Mothers...He was the KH who would peacefully and benevolently lead man to a better future, without tyranny

@Artuditu123

Ай бұрын

@@koko40800 Again "this guy is cool, unlike all the other tyrants" IS absolutely going against Frank's message. Clou isn't "we have to try with tyrants until we'll find a good benevolent ruler". It's some weird reactionary view of the Brian implanted into series being all about power corrupting good people and hidden strenght of diverse, self-governing population.

May be you should read the House of Atrades again

The majority of duncans deaths was just leto rolling over

"You fought in the clone wars?"

Is Duncan who inspired GRRM's Duncan the tall?

What judge is he talking about that lost their husband?

Someone missed an opportunity to name a character "Duncan Dune Nut"

Train your heart to failure harder than last time.

The ultimate Yarmulka Kreplach

So in the end duncan created the borg?

Is Jason Mamoa the best Cast decission for Duncan Idaho? I rather had visualized a John Wick like guy than Kal Drogo!

So Duncan Idaho= Jango Fett?

Guy literally becomes an anime character.

Every time you say matres wrong a part of my soul dies.

I disagree with your assessment of Paul not noticing the plot against him. I always felt like he knew all along but chose to do nothing because 1. he knew the way and his removal was seemingly part of it and 2. he was so ashamed of himself for being responsible for the death of billions that he kinda wanted to end his mental suffering.

Paul knew what the face dancers were up to all along. He knew Duncan would make the right choice in the end. He was playing the long game. "Moves & counter moves"

I hope Denis chooses not to go down this route in Dune 3. Going down resurrection of Idaho I believe would be too confusing and too fantastical even for the Dune series. I think it would do more harm than good in the eyes of the average moviegoer. Even if this is canon and part of the book that doesn’t always mean it’ll work for movies.

Prescient?

One question: Does Jason Mamoa know of this?

@rookregent5623

Ай бұрын

Actors generally read the source material before they do the roles, yes.

@ZeelofTheMarty

Ай бұрын

Unless asked to they do not read source material.​@@rookregent5623

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

@@ZeelofTheMarty On what planet do actors not read the source material, to better understand their characters? Unless they're illiterate (?)....Certainly not any professional actor working a major feature film

@ZeelofTheMarty

Ай бұрын

@@koko40800 Just got look at The Witcher they did not read any of the source material and were in fact proud of that. Same for a lot of the recent Marvel productions. So yes the planet you are looking for is this one you are on called Earth at least in English it is. In fact there are KZreadrs with mil + subs dedicated to calling out people who ignore the source material.

@koko40800

Ай бұрын

@@ZeelofTheMarty Who needs to read a Marvel comic to understand a one dimensional MCU character?? A simple Fan Wiki summary will do for that crap....but I guarantee you a professional actor working a big budget film based on a complex epic like 'Dune', would certainly read the book...Again unless they're illiterate....which wouldn't be much of a surprise b/c illiteracy seems to be increasing these days...I can't count how many people complained online about how difficult a read 'Dune' was....I'm like JC people, I tore through that book in days (b/c I literally couldn't put it down) when I was 15 or 16 years old

Idaho is Samurai, neh?

I love all the Hindu/Buddhist concepts of awakening & reincarnation but scifi in Dune. Genetic memories, clones...Duncan is space Siddhartha

It seems man will always struggle against its own creations ..