Which Dune characters or topics do you want to explore next?

@Sometuy11A

Ай бұрын

Definitely more on the titans and Omnius.

@84knucks05

Ай бұрын

All of them!!! The honored matres, the mentat order, the buttlerian jihad!! You do a great job breaking them down!!!

@starhawk3657

Ай бұрын

Omnius as well Duncan Idaho

@JeffreyBernabe

Ай бұрын

GOD-Emperor

@user-dr8lh8br9r

Ай бұрын

Duncan the man Idaho legend sword master undieing the life eternal

Maybe the real Kwisatz Haderach was all the spice we snorted along the way? I mean the Fremen friends we made along the way. The Fremends.

@danielclark-hughes692

Ай бұрын

Desert Power aka Fremendly fire

@Sandux930

Ай бұрын

Blue cocaine 🙏❤️🙏

@nikolapetrovic87

Ай бұрын

When joe

@Neekaah

Ай бұрын

What? Lol

@benbutcher9672

Ай бұрын

The Fremends we snorted along the way?

Here after watching Dune Part 2. I'm absolutely enthralled by this universe, and I've been waiting for a video like this! Thank you so much!

@cernunnos_lives

Ай бұрын

I felt that way when I first saw the Lynch film decades ago.

@Emanon...

Ай бұрын

Be careful if you start reading the books. But if you do, welcome to the rabbit hole, brother.

@seanhewitt603

Ай бұрын

YOU HAVE TO READ THE BOOKS.(voice...in print)

@karenshort3880

Ай бұрын

You should read the books. They have so much more information about this.

@Beecher_Dikov

Ай бұрын

Ummm...you would really like the book then, because the movie only scratched the surface and changed some key facts. It completely ignored Paul's little sister Aliya, who was a powerful witch as a newborn and was the person who ultimately dispatched the baron. The fact Liet Kynes (a man, not a woman) was Chani's father. The relation of sandworms to spice. The savagery of the Freman. The weirding module that was the reason the Emperor wanted to wipe out the Atradies to begin with. The perversion of the Harkonen, notorious pedophiles and diseased homo sexuals.

"Kwisatz Haderach" in hebrew: קפיצת הדרך Is a saying that means "Moving quickly from place to place miraculously"

@13nash2mvp

Ай бұрын

Yeah. I waited for someone to notice it. It’s in Hebrew. A modern Hebrew

@Joe-xo4yg

Ай бұрын

Sure it is You sure you didn’t just Israeli it? Like Palestine? How about the fact that modern Hebrew exist by the grace of many words it lend from Arabic? Google it It’s true.

@ugi0909

Ай бұрын

​@@Joe-xo4yg Israel population is 20% Muslim, not to mention thousands of Druze and the fact almost half of the Jewish population spent thousands of years in Arabic countries, suffering lynches, pogroms and constant discrimination, before escaping to Israel as refuges in the 20th century (it's funny how you, nor anyone else, don't seem to care about these refuges from around the same time and about the same amount as the "Palestinians" refuges). So despite the propaganda you’ve been fed, Israel is one of the only places in the world where there’s real integration between the western world and the Arabic world, and not just Muslim ghettos or complete assimilation and loss of the Arabic culture. Most of our slang is from Arabic, some from Yiddish, just like our culture is a mish-mash of west and east, and that’s one of the things that makes Israel special and interesting. Nobody in here thinks about “you Israeli it”, it’s all nonsense pushed upon us by the Muslim dictators using the Arab population (in Israel, in Gaza, and all other the world) as a way to fight Israel and the west and to easily control their own population. Don’t be sheep, learn a bit more, maybe even come to Israel and see the truth for yourself.

@leonscott543

Ай бұрын

​​@@bloodaonadeline8346Native Americans never had "country or nation" either. Not being designated by Western empire as a "nation" is not a licence to colonize peoples generational motherland at will

@w0tnessZA

Ай бұрын

@@leonscott543you're trying to explain things to people who have no eyes to see and no ears to hear bro.

You forgot to mention the Bene Tleilaxu admit to creating a Kwisatch Haderach before, and that he went mad and I believe ended his own life.

@dtly50

28 күн бұрын

He saw what was needed to complete the Golden path. Paul was strong enough to endure it, but only Leto II was strong enough to complete it.

@thomaswatson1420

28 күн бұрын

@@dtly50 Paul could not do an “evil” thing while knowing it was evil. Leto II being born fremen had the ability to choose between evil and thus could live with his fate.

@awakenow7147

26 күн бұрын

@@thomaswatson1420 "Paul could not do an "evil" thing while knowing it was evil". Perfectly described.

All these dune breakdowns are amazingly well done!!!! Please keep pumping them out!!!

The Kwizatz Haderach is Leto II, the person that could follow the Golden Path. Paul even admits to Jessica in the Fremen tent, while escaping the Harkonnens, that he was 'something else' when she asked if he was the Kwizats Haderach stating that 'he'd come too soon. Its also stated that the 'Kwizats Haderach was not what the Bene Gesserit had assume it to be.

@asceticblur

Ай бұрын

It's Leto Iv as Paul's Father is actually Leto II and Paul's first child murdered by the Harkonens is Leto III. Furthermore both are Kwisatz Haderach because both saw the Golden Path but Paul rejected it because of the absolute horror it entails. I won't spoil "God Emperor of Dune" here for those who've not read it but believe me when I say that Leto IV only chooses to walk that path because it was the only survival option for himself and his twin sister Ghanima. The results of that choice cost him everything.

@bobbobertbobberton1073

Ай бұрын

@@asceticblur Not to be a dick but can you re-write your comment it grammatically makes no sense. I'm desperate for a debate I love dune. From what I understand of your comment, only Paul and Leto !! say the golden path. What I am saying is that the Kwisatz Haderach is merely the ability to actualise the golden path. The reason why Paul couldn't stomach or brave the Golden path is because he wasn't meant to bare it, nor could he because he came to early. There is a reason why Leto II had to undo all that Paul did because Paul made himself a god and Leto II knew that he had to be the emperor god for the golden path so he had to destroy Pauls mythology and destroy the fact that Arakis thought he was a god because Leto II needed to be scene and be a god for the golden path. I'm drunk so I hope this makes sense, I'll check back tomorrow but I'm obscenely drunk and high on cocaine. If anything I have said here makes sense then I'm somehow a genius.

@andersj91

Ай бұрын

SPOLER ALERT: While Leto's oppression and the scattering put humanity on the golden path, Duncan secures it. Thus him being acknowledged as the ultimate KH at the end (yes those books were written by his son but they were written using Frank's notes... @rizzo1215 @@bobbobertbobberton1073

@hm02fly75

Ай бұрын

I've only read up to Children of Dune but as I understood how Leto described his situation made it sound like they were both KH. Leto described Paul's shortcomings as him being unable to make the necessary sacrifices despite being able to see the golden path because he was not raised as a Freman. It did not align with his own moral compass to make those sacrifices(sacrifices I'm not entirely sure of because i haven't read god emporer yet) for the greater good. So it sounds on a physiological level they both had the same potential unless I'm misunderstanding the end of Children of Dune.

@asceticblur

Ай бұрын

@@hm02fly75 couldn't sum it up better

Fantastic overview. Very much enjoyed listening to this.

I had no idea how intense dune gets!

This video is great. Thank you for the time and effort necessary to produce such quality.

I’m enjoying these more frequent uploads. thank you!

There is a Gnostic lore pertaining to Adamus described as a "super human" who when originated and expressed from the SOURCE was vested with the authority over all 1,000 elements in the "outer creation" which he uses as a "vehicle" of awesome power. Able to control both the atomic properties and the light quotients (angstrom components) meaning able to go anywhere, any conditions, in this entire creative paradyme at will.

@OwnedEpicStyle

Ай бұрын

Sounds gay

@docwhiskey996

Ай бұрын

​@@OwnedEpicStyleit's scrotumers gay. Its both gay and not gay. Right now its being gay with you.

@Lord_RFAS

Ай бұрын

@@OwnedEpicStyleWho knows? Maybe Adam was. It's no like god gave him any choice... 🤣🤣🤣

@natos2334

Ай бұрын

Sir, my colleague asked you, if you’ve used any drugs…

@Lord_RFAS

Ай бұрын

@@natos2334Only the best 👍🏿

A very well made video on the subject. I will not mention my opinions about the Expanded Universe, except for saying that you even present those parts with more credit than they really deserve. 🙂

@AllyrionWW

Ай бұрын

I would have liked there to be a disclaimer: Possibly not canon. But the video was extremely well made and scripted so little complaint.

Earned a sub with this video!!

amazing video!

I am reading through the books now and your videos are great refreshers! Thank you! Also more about Omnius would be awesome!

Amazing job

Paul wasn't unable to see the Golden Path. He saw it clearly. What it entailed and the sacrifice he would have been required to make, that Leto II did make, terrified him and he turned aside to become the Dune Messiah. At the end of Children of Dune, Leto II shares that his sister avoided abomination by not taking the water of life but Leto didn't. He was exposed to large doses of the water of life and due to his male Other-Memory, he needed to contact one of his ancestors and make an alliance with him to keep the multitude at bay. Nowhere in any of the original 3 books was it mentioned that Leto II was a "pre-born aware", like his aunt Alia. Where is that stated? Duncan Idaho was part of the original story depicted by Frank Herbert in all 6 stories written exclusively by him. He was NOT a creation of Frank Herbert's son and both he and Miles Teg are described as POTENTIAL Kwisatz Haderach's but both agree neither would ever risk it.

@OneEyedJack1970

Ай бұрын

TheT-probe agony broke Miles Teg over to the other side. At least, that's how it seemed to me.

@malachiXX

Ай бұрын

​@@OneEyedJack1970 That is correct although I don't recall it being 'agony'. I'll have to re-read it. It was a form of control that was 'learning' his responses so that it could eventually control him, since pain was almost useless as a tool against someone with his conditioning due to his mother's Bene Gesserit Training early on. But instead it ended up awakening his "new metabolism" that gave him enhanced speed like nothing anyone, sisterhood or honored matre, had ever encountered before. In the next book (Chapterhouse), Duncan and Miles are discussing how they have something similar to "Other Memory" and how the observers must now consider them at least potential Kwisatz Haderachs but they both say "Of course we would never risk it"

@qwerty81808

Ай бұрын

@@malachiXXin the T-probe scene Miles mentions the extraordinary pain many times, and even wonders if it is similar to what the Reverend Mothers go through in the spice agony. Also, Leto II and Ghanima were both definitely pre-born. It was due to their genes and the extraordinary amount of spice Chani took during her pregnancy to counteract the secret contraceptive that Irulan was feeding her. Other evidence for this can be seen in other places, for example Paul was in mental communication with Leto while he was still a newborn. Additionally he and his sister are described as delving into their ancestral memory as a game together where he would take on the memory ego of Paul, while his sister would embody Chani. There’s a scene in the book where Ghanima almost is possessed by this ego memory of her mother. And correct me if I’m wrong, but Leto didn’t endure the spice agony. He was just force fed a ton of melange (which he and his sister had carefully avoided their whole lives). Ghanima didn’t avoid possession because she avoided the agony, but as a side effect of the self-induced hypnosis she used to convince herself that Leto had been killed by the Laza Tigers

@qwerty81808

Ай бұрын

I’m also not sure what you mean by the “original” three books… Books 1 through 6 are all Frank Herbert originals

@qwerty81808

Ай бұрын

The ontological argument for why they were both pre-born is that both were at risk of possession, which is only a risk for the pre-born like Alia and the twins

Wow this is some very interesting dialogue !

The greatest benefit of the Kwisatz Haderach finaly arriving (for the Bene Gesserit mostly) was teaching a great lesson:NEVER AGAIN SUPERHUMAN MESIAHS! NEVER! Paul's son made sure the lesson lasted forever.

Learning more every video. Fantastic as always

Finally someone who has really taken a closer look at the source material. Emperor Paul Atredes Mentat Emperor or The known universe.

Very well done!

@TheLorebrarians

12 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Holy cow, had no idea. That’s a lot to take on after only knowing the films. 😮

@tdub6542

Ай бұрын

yeah the book will explain more in detail lol

No different than Neo in Matrix. You become the one when you integrate the anima ad animus. The masculine and feminine aspects of your energy/internal archetype. You can use your head and heart, logic and intuition to determine outcomes. It's transcendance of the ego.

Honestly, having read the books at this point - I get why they casted Jason Mamoa for the role of Duncan. :'D

@Mrfaixyy

Ай бұрын

Why ?

@AC-hj9tv

Ай бұрын

​@@Mrfaixyybc 🍆

@austenhead5303

Ай бұрын

Share with the class.

@nikkiberay4903

Ай бұрын

Cause he's a big oaf

@Blackvolttage

Ай бұрын

​@@Mrfaixyyobviously spoiler for later books (and likely for the third movie) although Duncan Idaho died in the invasion of dune his cells were collected to make some clones - "Ghoulas" - of him. And those clones have a huge part on the stories later on.

This was a great video

Problem I had with the movie was they didn’t really flesh out motivations. The Bene Gesserit purposefully bred Paul. Maybe he was a generation early, but why is that such a big deal. They created him and then wanted to control him. Paul did NOT want to become the Mahdi. Then he drank the water of life and did. The motivations for it all just aren’t explained well.

Literally just clicked on… but that thumbnail is fire

I read the expanded universe books but you must have read different books than I. That’s not at all how I remember Duncan resolving the human/machine conflict. The story I read was far more ridiculous and convoluted resulting in Omnius being exiled to another universe. With the yoke of Omnius removed the machines could finally know freedom and individuality in a way not experienced in many millenia. This made them more compatible with humans and open to peaceful coexistence.

I’m actually really interested to see if the BGs could control a KH if one came about within their plan. It shouldn’t be impossible to instill a KH with your philosophy and ensure he follows your will that way, but I’m not sure the BGs specifically could pull it off

@rizzo1215

Ай бұрын

In the books the KH could only see two outcomes survival through the golden path or stagnation and eventual extinction to whatever the HM fled outside the galaxy. Paul failed because of his fear and conscience. Leto2 being preborn was more mature than Paul could ever be. I think if any other person had become the KH they wouldn’t have been able to compete the golden path without becoming the worm. Kinda feels like Leto 2 was destined to become the true KH

@happyslapsgiving5421

Ай бұрын

Why would the Baldur's Gates control a Kingdom Hearts? 🤔

@andersj91

Ай бұрын

SPOLER ALERT: While Leto's oppression and the scattering put humanity on the golden path, Duncan secures it. Thus him being acknowledged as the ultimate KH at the end (yes those books were written by his son but they were written using Frank's notes...@@rizzo1215

@Orca_mammal

Ай бұрын

​@@rizzo1215ngl if I had I would be the most successful billionaire ever.

Id like to review Frank Herberts notes for Dune 7 to see how Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson got from point A to point B.

I'm so happy that we will get Dune Awakwning game soon

@Emanon...

Ай бұрын

I don't know man. A lot of these one-note MMOs tend to very quickly burn out once the novelty wears off. I'm for sure not buying shit until I've made sure it's not a buggy half-assed project on release like 90% of the so-called AAA games out there.

@aj5424

Ай бұрын

It will probrably be shite

@PaulAtreidees

Ай бұрын

@@aj5424 Wrong

The following comment might seem non-quizatz haderah-related, but could provide an interesting direction for general interpretation...: Harconnen= hara's cones (husks?), Corino= something about the heart, Atreid= descendant of Atreus (- father of Menelaus and Agamemnon, whose name is interpreted as "Fearless"...). Nice vid. 👍 Cheers!

This old man, He played nice, He played knick-knack Stoned on Spice. With a Kwisatz Haderach Give a dog a bone: This old man rides Sand Worms home. 😉

Paul became the Quizrathastlebatt when he snorted too many lines of spice that turned his eyes blue. Its essentially the equivalent to Tony Montana sitting with a white nose and a white mound in front of him.

I do believe the original idea behind dunes great enemy is new thinking nano machines. The grey goo theory is what herbert would have been hearing his peers speak about when writing god emporor of dune

Thanks for the spoiler warning :D Im 200 p into the first book, but i look forward to return to this video 🏜

This is by far... The best interpretation of Frank Herbert.

Actually, the Gholas, Duncan Idaho appeared in Frank Herbert's Dune Novels, not the expanded Universe by his son, Brian Herbert. Other than that, thoroughly enjoyed your video. Thanks.

@TheLorebrarians

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear it! Duncan first appears yes, but doesn't embody the ultimate kwisatz until hunters and sandworms of dune

@roberthaseltine5977

Ай бұрын

@@TheLorebrarians Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

@jaywellgate8304

Ай бұрын

I thought that once the Ghola of Duncan had been created, Leto became aware the it was somehow important to his Golden Path. Didn't Leto have many many Gholas of Duncan made (and murdered many of them himself)? They were part of his own breeding program, which I think was to create the null gene that hides the one who possesses it from prescience. (Happens in God-Emperor)

Been fan since when it was only novels still hardky anyone likes it .but been a fan from the start . 10yr old me thankks my dad his dad for intro me to it all

I find it a bit naive to think putting humanity through 3000 years of oppression and fear will somehow persist and not be forgotten in couple generations.

@Livingeidolon

Ай бұрын

30000. And he did it for that long only because he had to make sure that there were enough people who had the special genes could pop up

@wills2379

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Livingeidolon it was actually 3,500 years. The no-gene is super important, as it shielded humanity from being scene by the use of prescience, but there is more to Leto’s Golden Peace than just that. The 3,500 years of enforced stagnation was also meant to imbue humanity with a desire to travel, adventure, and multiply, so as to increase the human population and spread them out to the point where their survival could never again be threatened. Additionally, because Leto with all of his memories was essentially the entirety of humanity’s past, his rule was meant to make humans stop turning towards some false ideal of past by giving them a past to run from, thus making them focus on creating something new and looking for new possibilities rather than falling into old habits and stagnation.

The more I know about Dune, the more im fascinated by it. Is science-fiction, but with the epic of fantasy novels like Lord of the Rings

“We’re going to breed a god.” “Then what?” “We’ll put a leash on him.” Brilliant strategy ladies…

So if the "great enemy" or future threat isn't just this vague "cold void of space," but instead the return of the conscious machines (and apparently, *not* from or because of the Ixians, but just of those that were routed after the Buttlerian Jihad), and the doom *they* represented, the good news is it does answer a question I've posed before to others, namely what was the threat. The only bad news is, it's a bit cliché and anticlimactic. After all, it's not like humanity or History had forgotten them! You'd think they'd be on the lookout for and even scoured the universe for any trace of them. Also, those with "vision" like Paul and Leto II should've been able to sus them out. It's not like the conscious machine society had the no-gene or no-ships to block prescience. How could they? They were out of touch with the whole idea of spice or its effects, much less how to block it. Oh well, it's better than having no good answer at all.

The "Shortening of the Way" is actually קפיצת הדרך (kfitzat haderech) in Hebrew. Cool.

@talibanairport1544

Ай бұрын

After you spurt it is known as the shortening of the willy.

The shortening of the way.

Geez and no wonder i was so comfused. I thought the entire time i was watching Harry Potter and chasing after the "Quidditch"!

Good video with many aspects but I am more than a bit irked by the constant abbreviation of "Kwisatz Harderach" to "Kwisatz" and similar with "Ersatz Haderach".

LETO THE 2ND IS THE BEST CHARACTER EVER WRITTEN

wait what ? isnt the movie he drank the worm poison and spring tear the awaken of kwisatx haderach ?

I never knew about the Jewish myth. I literally have been writing a book, and first wrote about it in the late 90’s, about the path of gold. How everything is like gold mining. Even in high school I saw reading and movie watching as gold mining like Joseph Campbell spun his pan of water dipped in humanity. ❤😳👍🏻

From Hebrew: K-Fi-TSat Ha-De-Rekh. Meaning, literally, jumping in one leap over a long way.

What's so special about a Kwisatz Haderach? I drive a Kwisatz Lincoln.

@funkoxen

Ай бұрын

I drive a Nissan Al gaib

Teacher of rightiousness ; James the Just

He is like a human quantum computer somehow

@rizzo1215

Ай бұрын

I think that’s a fairly accurate description. He wasn’t magical he was able to accurately predict the future based off the likelihood of a particular outcome based of a set of actions. So definitely like a super computer with all of human history as a reference.

@johngreene7130

Ай бұрын

His "Mentat" training 😊

The Bene gesserit always annoyed me after getting interested in dune recently. Like why do these super powerful and influential houses keep these women around? It seems so widely known that this supposedly secret order has their own intentions which include controlling blood lines. So why would you risk the power of your house getting involved with these women? I understand they're powerful assets, the only woman that it makes sense for is Jessica, she genuinely loves Leto and did not stay with him entirely for the sake of the bene gesserit, even if that was her intention originally. And yeah, they wish to bring about this ultra powerful being that they know will have complete prescience, yet think they can control him with sex or mommy issues? A demi-god being controlled over his emotional issues just never makes sense to me. I love the universe but it really baffles me how these houses became so powerful for so long. It took more than 80 years, and to be entirely removed from control of Arakkis for the harkonnens to realise that classic artillery is effective against the fremen cause they don't have shields. Logic behind the tactics around shields also bugged me. Shields attract the worm, but orthocopter shields don't? And if the spice harvesters are attracting the worm simply by harvesting, why not have a shield protect it anyway, same logic for any troops you have on the ground. Worm hears the massive harvester you're next to, your personal shield isn't making a difference surely....

@avengedhotfuzz7499

Ай бұрын

The orthocopter is in the air…. Should be pretty obvious why it’s shield isn’t attracting the worms

@Emanon...

Ай бұрын

The movie simply doesn't have the time to address all these things. It makes sense when you read the books. However you can always poke holes in the sci-fi worldbuilding...

@sentimentist

Ай бұрын

I don’t think they intended to control kwisatz haderach per se. he’d have the access to the female ancestral memories/knowledge of BG, so I think the assumption was he’d be a willing participant of implementing their plans for the future, that he’d be one of them. the ones they controlled with sex/mommy issues were the men they needed for their breeding plan.

@lancelaurel3828

Ай бұрын

@@sentimentistexactly. Even though the bene gesserit seeded many religious beliefs of a savior, they ended up being blinded by religious fervor and never realized that the kwizats haderach is gonn do whatever he wants to do

@MsTammi125

Ай бұрын

You should study statement analysis. Deception detective is the best on KZread. Even the best story tellers have flaws. Nice catch. Never stop learning.

💯

I've never read the books so maybe this is addressed there but did the Bene Geserete know that the Kwisatz would be able to see both male and female lines of genetic memory? If so, how? If the make side of genetic memory was an abyss to them, why would the female side not be the same for a male?

@wolfer67

7 күн бұрын

Probably linked to chromosomes. Women are XX so only see the female half. Men are XY so can see both. Seems to tie into the genetic themes of the story as well, though I'm only one book in to the original books. I read the Legends of Dune first by chance years ago and didn't follow up on the story until recently with the movies coming out. Glad I did, Brian Herbert is a decent author but his father was a STORYTELLER.

Bene Gesserit: "We need thousands of years of selective breeding to produce a superbeing that can access both sides of the genetic memory and unlock super-powers!" Me: Reverse-parks in one move. Bene Gesserite: "Sheeeitt!"

whats crazy it took so long for someone to take the remake a dune movie

Dune has the most secular lore ever. Islamic, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism. So inclusive.

@robertmonad1731

Ай бұрын

Is that what secular means?

@robertmonad1731

Ай бұрын

Had to look it up. denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.

@SweetSourPickle

Ай бұрын

@@robertmonad1731 my bad. English isn't my first language. I thought secular meant something else. Like combining religions.

@nzingahoney

Ай бұрын

​@SweetSourPickle love your humility

@robertmonad1731

Ай бұрын

@@johnmckiernan2176 I wasn’t trying to be mean. I think you were thinking of another word is all.

So Paul was not the KH? Or was he? I mean he drank the poison and survived, he gained visions so.. I’m confused.

@calebvincent8759

9 күн бұрын

He was but its not something where theres only one chosen one. There can be multiple but he was the only lisan al gaib, because he liberated fremen.

A jacket you wear in north florida between February and June... its one color on the inside and another on the outside... has big pockets for concealed carry or fifths of henn and small pockets for bugga sugga, small knives and condoms you will never use. Can be folded into a pouch bag when the day starts at 35degrees and ends in the mid 80s...

@Legostiks

Ай бұрын

Lihsan Al gaib! 🙏

Woman at 13:46?

Nts 0:01

The story of the messiah ( lisan Al Gaib) was planted by the Bene Gesserit

It literally means “the leap” in Hebrew

@ye4864

Ай бұрын

@@emalinepeeler9946I thought it was about the spice girls, thank you for clearing that up

Was Paul seen as a betrayal to the Bene Gesserit because the Kwisatz Haderach is a firstborn thing? I don't see why Lady Jessica couldn't have had both a son and daughter to satisfy both the Bene Gesserit and Duke Atreides, which is what happened anyway. I'm new to this lore btw

@zulhilmi5787

17 күн бұрын

Bene gesserit didn't allow for a son to be born within their bloodline. That's the issue. It's not about having a woman for political marriage only. Kwizath hederach is a man supposed to be born from a very selective progeny that they decided. The plan is to have kwizath hederach born from Lady Jessica's daughter and the harkonnen. Yes Paul should be female and supposed to be married to his cousin

@Re.Configured

16 күн бұрын

@@zulhilmi5787 That makes sense, especially since the most powerful among them can only access their maternal ancestor's memories I think. Any male in this bloodline could pose an unknown variable and so only when the time is right would a boy be allowed.

I grew up near Tacoma so I should know ...this is a true story. ... you're welcome.

So basically the Kwisatz Haderach = Dr. Strange. Got it

Spoiner for Dune Messiah: If the Bene Geserit survivors of the Spice Agony can only access the memories of their female ancestors, how is it that Alia remembers, and is untimately taken over by, the Baron Harkonnen? Yes, she's pre-born, but otherwise wouldn't she be just like the Sisterhood in terms of available memories?

@thomasboyles9773

Ай бұрын

Abomination has no self to combat the imposition and imprinting of OM upon the naked mind.

@fbl902

Ай бұрын

@@thomasboyles9773 Yes but, how did she have his memories in the first place?

@thomasboyles9773

Ай бұрын

@@fbl902 Women HAVE the male half available, but are repulsed by it to such an extent that they cannot unlock the potential and remain sane. Well, start from nothing and sanity doesn't matter. Preborn are inhuman, not because of OM specifically, but because they are molded by OM without a self to reflect on it. without a self to be repulsed by the Baron's influence Alia succumbs, rather than references it as a resource.

@jaywellgate8304

Ай бұрын

iirc both Alia and Leto had the same potential/could access both sides of the other memory.

@Tusspot1

Ай бұрын

@@fbl902 kinda spoiler-y stuff. even though she doesn’t have access to the male side of her memories, those memories can still effect her. The whole point of BG training is to be able to withstand being taken over by the other memories. Since Alia is the first pre born to ever live; because all others in the past were killed on the spot by the BG, she doesn’t have any defense.

Idaho merged with Erasmus not omnius.

If only memory of past lives was preserved in the DNA helix…but it’s not.

@eaglesclaws8

Ай бұрын

Look up epigenetics.

It's Duncan. That is all. 🤷‍♂️🧐

Sorry, if it didn't happen in a Frank Herbert book, it didn't happen. Duncan and "Omnius" merging? 🙄

The witch's accidentally made a bunch of guys who are the main characters in their life's work and stories then got ass mad when they balled the fuck out, pretty on point behaviour for feds that's very funny

Its in Hebrew... It means jumping the road ..it does not have a literal meaning..but youcan attribute it evolution or elevation...in the sense of overcoming a trial

I cannot find an answer to this online. It has to be a male so he can access the entirety of his male lineage. Makes perfect sense. If the women cant see their patrilineal line beyond the darkness why the QH able to see the matrilineal line? Why is he able to have both?

@benjaminghazi787

Ай бұрын

He cannot see either as he is. He has so be able to survive the sandworm poison

@diago951

Ай бұрын

Because he is a man.

@KayeHalliwell

Ай бұрын

@@benjaminghazi787 not until he becomes the QH after the Water of Life. But then why can he see the matrilineal memories when he is a man of the BG cant see the Patrilineal because they are female?

@radjen2001

Ай бұрын

I haven't seen any mention of it but I personally would assume it has to do with XY and XX chromosomes, since the Y chromosome can only be passed down along to a song.

The fact that there is more than one makes the story convoluted.

In short, a bad idea. I understand why many of their contemporaries hate the BG... Creating an omniscient superhuman is a very, VERY bad idea

Duncan Idaho was the kwisatz he was more pure than Paul .

I know I know. It's a very hard word to pronounce.

When paul embraced his fate he trapped himself inside of it and became a slave to it even though eventually it will end up killing him in my opinion you always have an option and can and should make your own choices

@benjaminghazi787

Ай бұрын

Wait what are you talking about?? He does have an option…. And he takes it. He doesn’t follow the golden path. He chooses to exile himself because he doesn’t want to go down that path. Instead he lets his son Leto II do it.

Paul is a complete psychopath.

@The-Anti-Zionist

Ай бұрын

He heard that

I'm triggered by your inclusion of Brian Herbert's books

Duncan Idaho

@happyslapsgiving5421

Ай бұрын

Yup. That's definitely the name of a character in the story.

@koo-hip9406

Ай бұрын

Not to be confused with his cousin, Chuck Utah.

If the kwitzar haderach holds power over Destiny,i hope he destroys and get rid of the Eververse...😉😂

You gave a warning about spoilers. You forgot the warning about the fact that this is half fan fiction :-/

Alia was supposed to be the chosen one. And marry feyd for political reasons. Feyd was just a physcitic putz. So, what did Alia do?

@Imperial_Cosmonaut

14 күн бұрын

No. Jessica was supposed to have had *a* daughter, who would marry lovely Feyd..and then have a son who would be *him* You missed the part about it having to be a man

I’ve been sitting on like 4 grams of DMT for years now. I’m gonna try to become this shit this weekend.

The Nick-nack Paddywack will lead us to paradise 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

The arrogance of man to make his own christ.

uh...this is super awkward, but uh...Hi? it's me. I am the Kwisatz Hadderach

Eren jaeger

FYI Kwisatz Haderach is a straight out plagiarism from Kabbalistic Concept also named 'Shortening of the Way'

@JAG457

Ай бұрын

lol shut ya basic ass up. none of it is real …. want a cookie

@Der_Z0nK

Ай бұрын

Plagiarism... 😂

@CarnivalGrotesque

Ай бұрын

Drawing inspiration from an occult/religious concept is…not plagiarism.

The word is actually Hebrew - kovets (compression) , haderech (the way)

Not the extended Dune lore, that’s ass

קפיצת הדרך Look it up

@zeroronaldo9313

Ай бұрын

It is based in islam more and fermen are based in middle eastern people not European settlers

By all the respect,they are 2 hebrew words,translate as hopping the road.in origin,come to the true way to god or the light,faster.kfisat ha derekh. God blesses upon you.