There is a quality of better understanding when you see things done practicaly .

How much more fascinating is analog tech to your brain than digital, there’s something about seeing every piece instead of imagining it

@kingsman428

7 ай бұрын

Digital is analogue

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

Literal nuts and bolts kind of stuff.

Let's see if I'm not completely off. The temp of caesium gas is 400K, which gives an average speed of √(2RT/M) = √(2·8.315·400/133) = 22.4 10³ cm/s That gives a flight time within the mag field t = L/ = 12cm/22.4·10³ = 536μs. The transverse force in the mag field is F = μ gradient(B), therefore the transverse acceleration is μ gradB / m, and the transverse velocity at the exit of the field is v⟂ = acc × t The transverse deviation on the screen is then L*v⟂/ The peaks are separated by 3.7mm, so the deviation is half of that: 0.185cm Therefore v⟂ = 82.9 cm/s The acceleration = 155 10³ cm/s² (a posteriori we verify the small parabolic deviation within the mag field is 1/2 acc × t² = 0.022cm, which is negligible) Finally the magnetic momentum of the caesium atoms is acc×m/grad(B) = 155 10³×(133/6.022 10²³)/10000 = 3.4 10⁻²¹ erg/gauss. Close enough to the Bohr magneton 9.27 10⁻²¹ erg/gauss? (all calculations in CGS, because the year is 1967)

For you young folks out there (I do hope there are some young people watching this video), think for a moment how the plotting machine works. It uses all Analog electronics, which in the days of the making of this film was a relative breeze since they had the transistor available to them. Now think back to the days of Stern and Gerlach, coils of wire, mirrors and a stopwatch if they were lucky. Those guys really must have had their sh*t together, hey.

@komalsinghgurjar

7 ай бұрын

Current generation aren't putting that much affect that our ancestors used to ☹️

@coltersummers

7 ай бұрын

Engineering student here - ever heard of quantum computing?@@komalsinghgurjar

@LiborTinka

7 ай бұрын

Same with chemistry. I am constantly amazed from the sheer amount of human ingenuity put into preparations made available without all the fancy equipment. As an amateur, I have no other option than to learn from 50 year-old textbooks and use the obsolete methods, because only these are still available to non-professionals who don't have millions to acquire all the special reagents and machinery...

@Patrik6920

7 ай бұрын

...the vacume tube(thermoinic tube, flemming tube) was invented in 1904, some time after the phototube was invented, the phototube can be considerd as early versions of (by our standards now primetive) the CCD cell and Field effect transistor(think early mosfet 30cm big), the transistor was invented in 1947, and the 'Stern-Garlach' experiment was constructed by otto in 1921, and conducted by walter in 1922... (Otto Stern and Walter Garlach) ... and actually in comaprison the vacume tubes in 1910 was way faster than the early transistors (basicly the only limmiting factor was how fast the gates could be charged) making tubes that operated at 100Mhz+ easy, (not very practical for their size), and since oscilators circuits was mabe with coils the coil cores was the thing that was actually limiting thier speed... (Thechnically a tube can operate well beyond 20GHz) ...but back i the day the limit was at most a few MHz due to the control problem..

@KarelSeeuwen

7 ай бұрын

@@Patrik6920 Thanks for the technology and time line info Patrik. I was not trying to be detailed, just to question what may be happening to the human mind as time goes on.

Back to the days when introductions were blessedly short and backstories did not exist. Fantastic the way he got into it.

@wesKEVQJ

7 ай бұрын

Documenting anything on film in those days wasn't cheap.

@bookofrevelation4924

7 ай бұрын

Backstories? Similar to propaganda after assassination of President Kennedy?

The "old timers" really knew their stuff. I was very fortunate to have learned from them.

@bookofrevelation4924

7 ай бұрын

They were the creators or generators, not the robbers of knowledge taken from others. British Royal Pharmaceutical Society was printing misinformation and personal insults of discoveries of Ludwig Brieger concerning PR3 Methyl Indole (Skatole), as an example, in their 1890s publishings. University of Michigan was starting to transfer knowledge from Berlin about the same time up to 1940s. My dad's mother is Anna Hahn that fled Germany in 1920s , a few years after my father's father, at age 24 in 1924, from the Brieger family to marry in Milwaukee and live in Detroit where Albert Einstein visited in 1930s-40s when my father was born the day Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor in 1941.

Amazing I don’t understand everything but I find it fascinating.

This film reminds me of the atmosphere in which I entered the Philips NatLab (physical research institute) in Eindhoven, the Netherlands, in 1989. We obviously used state-of-the-art equipment from the 1980's, but we also used analogue measurement devices, like box-car and lock-in amplifiers, in order to detect small signals from measurements. And, I clearly remember how my mentor taught me to handle analogue displacement registration, so that I could conduct beam measurements of our laser-diodes by using a potentiometer at the axis of an arm, on which a phototransistor was mounted. I knew these things already from my amateur-background, but applying several techniques like that for professional research, was quite intriguing. The computer power was furnished by our HP 9000 system, on which we used a Pascal operating system. I used it to calculate the Zernike polynomic coefficients from my measurements of the laser-beams. Furthermore, we used HP small computers with BASIC programs to operate some conditions on the experimental table. Nowadays, all of this seems from an old world, but we made the best out of it.

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

Ha. BASIC.

Fascinating!!! I was born 50 years too late. Love this old stuff that holds true today. Analog and drafting tables for me.

What a gorgeous demonstration! Sheer physicality of apparatus. Convincing experimental controls so we know what we’re seeing and what we’re not seeing. Modelling of the physics with coils and gyro/magnet gadgets. Transparency about doing the films in two halves filmed in opposite order. And use of CGS units! You could almost feel the excitement Stern and Gerlach must have felt as they watched their detector and saw the unfolding emergence of their original results. Beautiful!

@kalidilerious

6 ай бұрын

It's fake just like most of the garbage the physics department comes up with. You can see the strings that's moving the magnet. Is it some magical powers of physics? Or is a guy just pulling the string. Remember the simplest answer is usually the right answer.

You made my day with the demonstration of the precession of the bar magnet on the air bearing, starting at 19:06 and particularly 20:32. This is a fantastic film and I wish I was shown these things when I learned about atomic spin and NMR the first time.

Thank you very much for sharing this video. These are fantastic learning/teaching aids!

Professor Jerrold R. Zacharias has such a wonderful and casual way of explaining.

Best explanation so far. This was fascinating.

. I JUST LOVE HOW EVEN COMPLEX EXPERIMENTS OFTEN LOOK LIKE THEY WERE COBBLED TOGETHER IN SOMEONE'S GARAGE .

@PsRohrbaugh

7 ай бұрын

Using a car battery really helped that feel!

Its always amazing, how much more clear and logical old videos are.

Thanks for sharing this! Great demo

This is great presentation. It is amazing what people could do in years past with limited technology.

@GrandePunto8V

7 ай бұрын

They were more intelligent. Simple. Peak human kind IQ was in the 1940's-60's. Now it's a decline.

@nickmalone3143

7 ай бұрын

Analog thinking vs todays digital thinking

@nickmalone3143

7 ай бұрын

​​@@GrandePunto8Vthe real IQ at least technically was late 1800a and early 1900s

@quantumblur_3145

7 ай бұрын

​@@GrandePunto8Vlow-iq take

@jwadaow

7 ай бұрын

@@quantumblur_3145 It is supported by psychometric data from standardised tests.

Brilliant! Better than any other demonstration/explanation I've ever seen

Wow. This makes me want to design lab experiments and apparatus!

Good old, hard science. Thank you for sharing.

Neat. This is some real deal stuff fight here. A good old film like you'd see in science class. Remember those anyone?

Good old, hard science. Thank you for sharing.. Best explanation so far. This was fascinating..

Thank you for this. I have seen many a slick animated illustrations of the Stern-Gerlach experiment on YT, the real thing is SO much better! I swear i did not blink during the whole 26 minutes of this. Thank YOU!

@quantumblur_3145

7 ай бұрын

Quantum physics' strongest warrior

@user-kg9jr9bw8o

7 ай бұрын

This.

Thank you so much for this video

Thank you for sharing this amazing video. Its good to see the clever mechanisms and techniques employed back then in action, before the widespread use of electrical automation and detective sensors in our modern era.

I remember well the PSSC books. Extremely well made for teaching.

One day, this will become a Television.

Classic old school presentation, watch and learn modern teachers who wish to engage with their pupils.

Thanks so much for the video!

Never heard of this experiment, but it's old-timey and science so I'll let it surprise me.

@beamshooter

7 ай бұрын

One of the top three most important experiments in QM for sure.

Americans that know what millimetres, centimetres and degrees kelvin are in 1967. Refreshing.

This is amazing thanks ☺️

Thanks to the detail explanation ❤❤

this movie was the first time someone decided that zooming and blurring were good things sometimes

@Zerpersande

7 ай бұрын

Are you aware of how old this clip actually is? And that at the time, this level of quality was state of the art. There also used to be lots of individuals that would make comments that they themselves thought were funny but actually were simply a good indicator of their stupidity. It was thought that the numbers of these people was steadily decreasing but the internet has demonstrated that any decrease is minimal at best.

@pleindespoir

7 ай бұрын

;)

@pvtglarson1

7 ай бұрын

poor bert cant look at words without being affected emotionally@@Zerpersande

@pluto9000

7 ай бұрын

When Classifying arguments, bert doesn't care about word order... Except when it matters. 😩

@blxtothis

7 ай бұрын

The video was most likely made by running a ciné film beamed by a projector onto a screen with a digital video camera pointing at the image, it looks like it was set to autofocus and was ‘hunting’ for focus, manual focussing on an image attached to the screen before running would have solved that.

Very good, there should be more of these videos with other experiments. Why don't they have quality in modern times?

@uploadJ

7 ай бұрын

Its easier, I think, to just reference a classic paper, do a few on-screen graphics, maybe invoke a thought experiment or a simulation and move on. Meanwhile, we get further and further away from the actual physics and the original hands-on experiment with all its nuances.

@zachreyhelmberger894

7 ай бұрын

Science has become a religion now. LHC is the modern day equivalent to the Egyptian pyramids with Egyptian priests who spout unintelligible/unrepeatable stuff or stuff so cryptic that only Egyptian priests can understand it. Citizen science is stifled and suppressed as "amateurish" or "irrelevant" since they have not sold their soul to the priesthood. I like this quote from Scott TInker: "When you remove doubt from science, science becomes a religion". -Scott Tinker

@timbeaton5045

7 ай бұрын

@@uploadJ I would guess it's not unlike Calculus. Once you get past the basics you never bother (need?) to differentiate from first principles again. You work on the assumption that that works so you move on to more complex calculations. Since this experiment showed in essence that QM correctly described what is going on, there is no need to simply repeat the same experiment. It has already been done, probably many times. And as others have pointed out, a conceptual approach becomes easier to understand. But I agree, this is an excellent movie, and fascinating to see QM at work!

@uploadJ

7 ай бұрын

@@timbeaton5045 Good observation. Calculus certainly need not be re-examined, but, for a purist it may be necessary to go back to see what spurred-on its "discovery" which was the relationship in nature between two or more observations of parameters/variables in nature's functioning. One sometimes needs to go back and look at why 'guardrails' were put up, like, why is the ground state of Hydrogen assumed to be immutable? I have seen studies to indicate that guardrail may not exist after all.

@clown134

7 ай бұрын

they do have quality in modern times. they even have high resolution video with colours! stop being such an ignorant moron

Very cool! I have not seen this experiment in a long time. To be more exact, I only saw it once in an undergrad experimental physics class and that was almost half a century ago. Having said that, I have done lots of nuclear magnetic resonance as a student, which is kind of equivalent, except that it's being done in the time domain.

great lab experiment

Was für ein schönes Experiment.

I wish my life was back in these days so much. Seems like such a great time to be alive. Nobody has any idea what a social media influencer is, and experiments are all analog and the results get plotted on an etch-a-sketch. What could be better?

@guytech7310

7 ай бұрын

1967: Vietnam war, LSD, Cold war. 1968 even worse with assassinations of RFK & MLK. Mass Protests over Vietnam war, etc. Late 1960s & early 1970s just as chaotic as today.

@JeffMTX

7 ай бұрын

Having to go to the university library to read about physics lol

@PowerScissor

7 ай бұрын

@@guytech7310 Yep, those were the times. I think I'd be right at home in a war.

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

Etch a Sketch. Funny.

"All the bugs that always beset every experiment" lol.

@iamme9138

6 ай бұрын

Lol, how many weeks did take to "debug" that device?😆

Glad to see in the comments that I'm not the only one gawking at the needle mysteriously going up and down and finding that particular analog-driven invention equally interesting as the cesium atoms ablating somewhere and passing through a split, through a magnetic field and hitting a not further explained detector to make said needle move. It's just voltages and resistances fed into an amplifier, being driven by natural unseen forces that make meticulously set up matter function like an analog graph maker even more enigmatic in its function until one looks at the graphs and takes a few semesters in College/University to even know which courses to take to learn more about it. Our ancestors gave us the tools we took for granted.

Half way through I understood the point of the experiment and shifted to the right in my seat.

Who calibrated that plotter, 1 sq = 1.35mm, scaled to the source. , good Y range, no clipping. The machine at 1:10 might have been my first view of a TV screen, I think ive felt a desire to create one ever since. and i did make a ring motor with helmolts coils just recently , and videoed it. That machine is so, lets do it 2023. Pulley driven vacuum pump, , diff stack , speed frame angle plate structure, and all the beautiful ones on top, That is an astounding instrument, at any time. Physics is such a beautiful science.

Terrific I learn a lot here. 👍

The audio is pretty clean despite the video getting pretty dirty at times. Since the audio on film is read optically, it's surprising that the audio isn't clicking and popping when the video is full of artifacts.

Please continue sharing those films, you're doing God's work

@BoneTime

8 ай бұрын

WTF does your delusional god have to do with it.

Great hobby !

I see that this was a important discovery that lead to the Cesium Atomic clock!

It's wonderful to see that the US had embraced SI units by the 1960s. No doubt full national metric conversion soon followed?

@PsRohrbaugh

7 ай бұрын

Only for drugs, guns, and soda.

@guytech7310

7 ай бұрын

Americans will be all for it, if you Europeans pay for all the costs to retool & relabel everything. Send us a check for $100B Euros so we can get started!

@georgesheffield1580

7 ай бұрын

Yes we did then the corporate types and anti sciences types turned it around back to the dark ages .

@georgesheffield1580

7 ай бұрын

​@@PsRohrbaughwent back to English stuff for drugs except with law

@pyropulseIXXI

7 ай бұрын

Academia has always used metric units in the US, you oaf. Is this the only home you low IQ types know?

Just everyday home DIY experiments for kids playing in the garage with Dad's Physics gear from work.

Wonder if this is how Earl Strickland learn to spin a pool ball . . . Excellent series

mass spectromety principe... awesome...

A closer look into what cannot be seen with the naked eye.

Second part? Where they study only one side of the split beam? Can’t find the video anywhere online.

purely electromechanical _badass_

Cool Vid 😎

20:57 this must be the behavior that MRI machines look for when they are imaging

Groovy! Slick! Cool Beans!

So how expensive would it be to make magnetically sorted metals, and how could it be used? What metal might yield best quality permanent magnets I wonder...

I argue that that parallel/anti-parallel dipoles get pulled into "temporal-phase" with the relative "now" moment. Perpendicular dipoles are shifted temporally out-of-phase with the now moment. I.e. the magnetic field enforces dipole orientation via selective temporal phases.

Need more videos

I used to have that exact same ion gauge controller.

@guytech7310

7 ай бұрын

I own the same model roughing Pump used "Welch 1402"

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

Really?

Well MIT knew how to build stuff back then for sure.

For several years I have on and off searched for a replication of the SGE, and finally, hit gold when finding this video! Thank you for posting it.

Am I just too slow for modern day, or was the pacing a lot better back then?

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

No,it was better.

In those days, the video presenters did not ask the audience to like and subscribe by clicking on buttons 😁

Was that an HP pen plotter? I used a version made ten years later and found some unfortunate quirks of non linearity.

There is an error in the narration at 25:18: "The oven temperature is about 400 DEGREES [sic] kelvin." The SI unit of temperature called the kelvin is not called a degree.

@karhukivi

7 ай бұрын

True, but it sounds ridiculous to most physicists' ears., so we say "degrees Kelvin" if we think the audience doesn't understand. Never a mistake when thigs are clarified.

@MrCuddlyable

7 ай бұрын

@@karhukivi So you proudly "defend" ignorance, even maligning other physicists. Dumbing things down doesn't make you smart.

@kalidilerious

6 ай бұрын

25 minutes on the process of a profound physics experiment and and one of the best explained experiments that's on youtube. And your hung up on degrees kelvin. Congratulations you found a way to dumb it down. You did it!

@MrCuddlyable

6 ай бұрын

@@kalidilerious In English the words YOU'RE and YOUR are spelled differently because they mean different things.

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

Oops

Now do that using the dreaded double slit apparatus

jenius

What moves the magnet back into the centre after the single coil is switched off?

@dominicesteban3174

6 ай бұрын

Gravity is doing its thing throughout, right? And so, when the electromagnetic magnetic force (generated by the electric current in the coil) is switched off, the swing/bar magnet just returns to equilibrium?

12:58 Bugs were already a thing in 1967.

@beamshooter

7 ай бұрын

The term was even used by Thomas Edison.

I have no idea what I just watched. Very interesting, but if I were to make prediction it would be that guy died of cesium related causes.

Could somebody explain why the magnetic gyros would lead to a symmetric distribution if normal bar magnets would not? I didn't get it from the video.

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

Because they are in thermodynamic equilibrium with their environment, which means that we are expecting a classical thermal distribution for the orientations. Imagine a classical pendulum that is randomly exited: the amplitude can take an entire range of values. Here the measurement reveals that individual atomic spins are either parallel or antiparallel to the field gradient, but they can't be "in the middle" for instance. The "deeper" explanation comes from quantum field theory: when the atoms interact with the magnetic field, they can only exchange two kinds of photons with the field, one with left-handed and the other one with right-handed helicity (polarization), i.e. an atom can only flip from one direction to the other, but it can never get to the middle.

When a list of bureaucracies is considered more important THAN ACTUALLY POSTING THE TOPIC OF THE FILM. This must be important since it looks deliberately buried...

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

The topic of the film is to show experimental evidence for spin quantization. It's important... if you are a physicist. If not... then why do you care? Mankind has been around for 300,000 years without knowing about it. We did, of course, not have MRI scanners, either, for the longest time. ;-)

Could these experiments/demonstrations be used to explain the reasons behind the earths magnetic pole movement?😮

2:37 Does a compass really point to "North" or "to a South"?

@DeShark88

10 ай бұрын

The compass points North, but it points towards a "South" magnetic field. The north pole has a south magnetisation.

@MadScientist267

10 ай бұрын

​@@DeShark88Yes, to clarify, it was designated as the direction the magnet pole is attracted to. So you need a south magnetic pole on the red side of the compass needle for it to point north.

@uploadJ

7 ай бұрын

Full answer: Both. By convention, the 'red' end a compass needle which points north is actually a "south" pole (since, opposites attract) and vice versa.

@SuperMagnetizer

7 ай бұрын

The North-seeking pole of a bar magnet or compass needle refers to the geographic direction in which it points. In fact, that pole is attracted to the South magnetic pole of separate magnet as shown in the film. Thdd we Earth’s South magnetic pole is located near (not at) the Earth’s North geographic pole, explaining why the North seeking pole of all bar magnets point north.

I don’t think there can be a conclusion made that spin is “quantum”. The rational given is that the axis or angular momentum will precess in the magnetic field and the angle of that will be based on the orientation when entering the magnetic field. The only issue with this is that the particle is charged. As the particle precesses, it should experience a force. Surely that force will eventually cause the particle to completely align with the magnetic field. This would also explain why measuring spin a second time from a different orientation will have a 50/50 chance of being spin aligned or anti-aligned.

@deadmeat14711

Ай бұрын

This part is explained in the asymetric field, as explained at 20:00; if you increased the field you wouldnt increase the dieflection of the beam symmetrically, it would favor the stronger field of the two differenty inhomogenous fields, leaning on direction. However it doesnt do this, it either goes all left or all right, showing that there is a type of angular momentum which is being unaccounted for which has two values(two peaks) which is called spin. If they used a homogenous field where both magnets are the same strength and shape, I think you would have a very good point.

19:07 how do you know they are randomly oriented? Theres a big magnet in the middle of the room for the experiment

could have added a velocity selector fairly easily to sharpen the peaks...??

Interesting 🤔

🎵….Our whole universe was in a hot dense state and nearly 14,000,000,000 years ago….

18:54 The peaks don't get sharper as you turn up the magnetic field... How on earth could you conclude quantization of spin from this?

@xephyr417

Ай бұрын

21:20 the beam IS spread symmetrically... Something goofy happened when they turned the b-field higher. It coupled back to the oven.

Gripping conclusion.

I thought I had an ant or something crawling in and out of my laptops bottom bezel at 2:51

Omg they didn't shield the oven...

This would be great if the audio could be cleaned up

Are the atoms leaving the oven ionised?

@nr7000000001

5 ай бұрын

these are the kind of questions

@deadmeat14711

Ай бұрын

I would expect not for the most part, they were only evaporated iirc

Interesting. Is this the principle behind mass spectrometry?

@andrewalcock461

7 ай бұрын

Actually, no, but there are similarities. The differences are 1. The atoms in a MS are ionised and are thus moving electric charges. In Stern-Gerlach they are neutral atoms 2. The magnetic field in a MS is uniform and at right angles to the ion stream. Moving electric charge in a magnetic field experiences a force which deflects the ions in a curve to the detector. In Stern-Gerlach, a non-uniform field is used

@proteusnz99

7 ай бұрын

@@andrewalcock461 Thank you for the prompt response Andrew, that’s very clear and helpful. Very much in keeping with this old movie. Cheers and Best Wishes.

Now imagine if they could measure this not in 2d but in 3d.

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

It has been measured in 3d and even 4d. ;-)

" over half the atoms in the periodic table are as magnetic as Iron " Who knew that ?

@onkcuf

6 ай бұрын

Not I.

is this what I missed when i ditched physics in high-school? well now I don't feel so bad about wasting all that time in the bathroom smoking weed...

Big MRI

I have a severe headache.....

EVERYONE COMES FROM THE TESTED TUBES

7:15

_Anyone fancy a pint?_ (It's going on a bit)

Or just becouse of wery strong magnetic fileld , beam become so wide that atoms collide with magnets and they go reflected to two beams.

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like something one would have to prevent with proper collimation, does it not? ;-)

@marcin4xm

3 ай бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 Did they ? Does not look like , becouse there are two beams coming out .

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

@@marcin4xm Yes, they did. Two beams are coming out. ;-)

@marcin4xm

3 ай бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 But there was one beam out and incrising power to magnets make the beam wider until it becomes so wide that collide of the side of magnets , that creates two beams .

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

@@marcin4xm Yes, that happened in your imagination. You need to reduce your drug consumption and then these hallucinations will go away. ;-)

Fantasyland vocabulary explains everything, where is mechanical model?

@lepidoptera9337

3 ай бұрын

There is no mechanical model for this. This is a purely quantum mechanical effect. ;-)