This whole thing sounds like nothing less than absolute genius advertising on the part of Nike. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Nike had secretly lobbied to have these shoes banned.

@maruftim

Жыл бұрын

sounds like it yea

@knightsljx

Жыл бұрын

except they weren't banned. the rules were changed to VERY specifically allow Vaporflys

@NorroTaku

Жыл бұрын

bump 100% probability that its all marketing

@NorroTaku

Жыл бұрын

@@knightsljx makes it even more sus dont you think?

@Lollllllz

Жыл бұрын

Kinda like Dodge marketing the Demon as too fast for the NHRA(without installing safety equipment)

I think we should just split sports into two categories: One for the "purists" where all the athletes compete naked and without any gear that may give a technological advantage in any way One for the "hardcore" crowd where there are no rules. Instead of about athletics, it will basically be an engineering competition.

@hillppari

Жыл бұрын

back to ancient greece days when olympics were done naked

@vdd1001

Жыл бұрын

It will be a drugs competition too

@busslayer4790

Жыл бұрын

The all drug Olympics kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHWYqY-ihMzSh7g.html

@steindororngunnarsson3846

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it should be 2 games where one are done either naked or with bare minimum clothing and without any doping and the other are done with the best gear possible and allow shit like doping and blood transfusion and that type of deal

@CrunchyBaguette

Жыл бұрын

A drugs competition would potentially be grotesque but also interesting to see if we can find optimal human form for these sports.

Regulations state that the shoe "must not give athletes any unfair advantage or assistance". Yet *every* piece of athletic shoe marketing in the past 50 years claims to provide an unfair advantage. Is the Nike VaporFly the first time we weren't being lied to in shoe advertising, and the shoe actually conveyed benefit?

@B3Band

Жыл бұрын

Try running barefoot and then tell me about unfair assistance. Literally every shoe provides unfair assistance versus a human's natural ability.

@alfredofettuccine2397

Жыл бұрын

@G K ok sure barefoot shoes have some benefits but foot pain and shin splints won’t be nice after weeks of competition training

@Illianor123

Жыл бұрын

I guess the question is, if everyone has access to running shoes - is it an unfair advantage, or a fair advantage?

@gracefool

Жыл бұрын

Yup, if shoes give 65-85% energy return, just wear no shoes for 100% return! Yes I had lots of foot and knee issues, orthotics and fancy shoes only made it worse, instead I strengthened my feet and gradually transitioned to barefoot running. Pure win.

@john_smith_john

Жыл бұрын

@@gracefool that's not how math works lmao, the percentage is of the literal energy used in the motion, not a percent of what a bare foot would do.

The shoe that broke the 2 hr barrier was the Alphafly, a higher stacked version of the Vaporfly. While there are not a lot of details about that exact version Eliud wore, World Athletics then set 40 mm as the standard for the stack height, which both the Vaporfly and the Alphafly both have. They haven’t been banned from competition, everyone uses them lol.

@Teaisbest

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying this so I didn’t need to. Alphafly / Vaporfly are different Nike shoes.

@michaelpalmer3429

Жыл бұрын

And the only way I know of it not counting as a world record was because of how they switched pacers out the entire way...

@zachjohnson3370

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU 😭😭 I was going insane not seeing how anyone had mentioned that yet and I was too late to push a comment to the top lol

@bengreen2329

Жыл бұрын

Did you post that before watching the video?

@understitchYT

Жыл бұрын

So more evidence this was all a marketing scheme 🧐🧐🧐

I did a case study on the LZR Racers in first year college. The benefits of wearing multiple stacked and obviously they're difficult to put on, so it got to the point where races were delayed by athletes taking hours to put on 3 layers of the most skintight suits you can imagine. They stacked because not only did they affect hydrodynamics, they trapped a pocket of air that kept your legs higher in the water. This mean that the force you're generating with your legs can be directed at a shallower angle, meaning more propulsion forward and less force upward to maintain body position and floatation

@Whytfisthereahandle

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god

@placeholder3863

Жыл бұрын

so they took so long they banned them?

@eoghanmyers2330

Жыл бұрын

@@placeholder3863 that's one of the reasons. Also because it was seen as "technological doping" and giving bigger countries who can afford loads of suits an advantage.

@posthistoricdino422

Жыл бұрын

it's like that fallout 4 bug where the game thinks you're wearing several pairs of pants with a speed bonus. i can't believe video game logic ever actually worked in real life

@cart.l

11 ай бұрын

@@posthistoricdino422was not expecting to see that here but literally perfect tomatoanus reference

I’ve bought these Vaporfly shoes since they were released and they definitely feel as advertised. One thing I notice is I’m not as tired as I used to during my runs. I still buy the Vaporflys to this day

@FireAngelZero

Жыл бұрын

@time to leave earth that my friend is a good way to get into flavor country… many thanks!

@xirfan

Жыл бұрын

The point of running is to expend energy though.. 🤷🏽‍♂

@danparish1344

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if you’re racing it’s great. If you’re just trying to get cardio in, you’re getting less of a benefit if you’re running at the same pace as you were before.

@ska042

Жыл бұрын

@@danparish1344 That's a weird way of looking at it. You get the same benefit by running 30 minutes with vaporflys as you would running 30 minutes with other shoes, but with the vaporflys you can run faster and therefore run a longer route, since you run more efficiently.

@hamza-chaudhry

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean you "still buy the Vaporflys to this day"? Don't you only need to buy them once?

This video would have been accurate 2 years ago. Now, almost brands have caught up, and you can get a supershoe from almost any major running shoe company, and actually research has shown that the different shoes work better for other runners too. Nike is not the only shoe getting podiums anymore. Adidas, ASICS, Puma, New Balance, Brooks, Saucony. And in the trail world Hoka still reigns supreme it looks like.

@kylestephens9593

Жыл бұрын

3 words: endorphin pro 3

@EdwardZhou_TJOL56

Жыл бұрын

@@kylestephens9593 what are competitor equivalents to the vapor fly?

@justinlawson3493

Жыл бұрын

@@kylestephens9593 the endorphin series is where it’s at…been using the whole lineup since they launched..

@Pvinini

Жыл бұрын

furry runner?!

@arandomcommenter412

Жыл бұрын

Yeah his antics are getting tiring.

It will come a day where Sam and his team proove to the world that they know the difference between > and

@dallasvanwyk

Жыл бұрын

^

@benlime1235

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this.

@heartache5742

Жыл бұрын

sam wants to go fast »»» woosh

@isaiahc8390

Жыл бұрын

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@MrSonnie99

Жыл бұрын

I came here for this comment

I’m a swimmer and the suits he was talking about were actually crazy fast. They just made the same suit and cut the legs off below the knee.

@user-_o

Жыл бұрын

What do those suits do that make swimmers crazy fast?

@bubba842

Жыл бұрын

@@user-_o cuts down drag. Water passing over the suit has a lot less resistance than crossing over your skin, which means more speed for the same amount of effort.

@Name-qj9ql

Жыл бұрын

@@bubba842 while true, they actually mostly compress your muscle so you have less surface area, therefore less drag. We usually call them tech suits bc lots of brands make them

@silvaskiproductions3937

Жыл бұрын

I always just wore a speedo, I didn't like the feeling of having a bunch of clothing on while being in the water

@TheBooban

Жыл бұрын

@@bubba842 they why did they “cut them off below the knee”? If they are so good, you want full body.

Ran a marathon "in under 2 hours" and "> 2 HOURS"?!?!? Those are some pretty good shoes.

@Choubani5

Жыл бұрын

dude, he did this 3 years ago.. You just found out?

@Ronaldo-eu1nz

Жыл бұрын

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@CarFreeSegnitz

Жыл бұрын

“> 2 hours” is pronounced “more than two hours”… so someone needs to review their grade-school math.

@neoxyte

Жыл бұрын

@@CarFreeSegnitz yep. The video made a mistake at 0:06

@meridian6042

Жыл бұрын

@@CarFreeSegnitz yeah that was the joke. The shoes would have to break the laws of time and space to finish under and over 2 hours at the same time.

That sub 2 hour run was also assisted by a rotating runners groups to run ahead of kipchoge to break the air around him. I forget at what frequency they would rotate, but that also helped him maintain pace.

@motoarch

Жыл бұрын

As well as pacers they had a pace car pointing lasers at the ground where each runner was supposed to be to maximize aero dynamics and to maintain the the minimum pace needed to set the record.

@TKOfromJohn

Жыл бұрын

@@motoarch that's just cheating. So sub 2 hours is impossible for humans then without assistance

@User31129

Жыл бұрын

And he ran like (I'm pulling numbers out of thin air but you get the gist) 8 laps of a 3.275 mi track that was completely devoid of elevation.

@tvre0

Жыл бұрын

@@TKOfromJohn the wr is 2:01:39 so if shoes improve enough maybe in a couple of years...

@fed3rd

Жыл бұрын

Also, runners ran in the old "flying wedge" formation, with "runners" bringing out hydration to him, instead of him going over to a table. But as long as everyone can get the shoe, it's a level field. PS Remember Pumas "Brush Spike" at the '68 Tahoe Olympic Trails?

Needs to be understood that what he ran was not an actual marathon, but a highly choreographed run with a LOT of help and equipment that would never be available in a real marathon. It's the reason why his "record" is not official.

@thelelanatorlol3978

Жыл бұрын

His record might not be official, but it is a very objective measurement that is way more valid than any other records that exist due to real marathons incorporating different height differences throughout the track, different conditions, different elevation. So many factors that make any records set pretty invalid for actual comparison.

Didn't know this was a thing, but also explains why I felt that my shoes almost encouraged me to step forward when I got my first pair of running shoes a year ago (i'm over 30) I've never had shoes like this before and it tooks a while to adjust to. Its still a noticeable sensation to run in them.

@firecloud77

Жыл бұрын

@time to leave earth SCAMMER

@eetuthereindeer6671

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I changed from work shoes to running shoes and suddenly i felt like stopping was illegal

@justincarter7954

Жыл бұрын

Yeah funny enough after you get like 300 or so miles on the shoes, the foam breaks down enough that it doesn't provide that same kick anymore and that "feeling like you need to step forward" goes away. elite runners probably buy their shoes in bulk

@denisl2760

Жыл бұрын

​@@justincarter7954 Elite runners don't buy shoes, shoe companies pay them to wear their shoes.

@maksymtt

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never used a supershoe, but after buying the Ultraboost or the Nike Pegasus for daily use, I just can’t wear anything else. It’s so comfortable to walk, and whenever I need to make a quick run for the metro or something, it makes it so easy. ( Specialy love the Ultraboost in leather which makes it a nice shoe for the office)

in the discussion about human athletic ability vs having the best gear. It has always been the person with the best gear that won, this isn't something new. even if the shoe was the same as everyone else, the person with the better training equipment, the better coach. the more custom designed fitment, or the best quality meal plan and supplements. That is the person who wins. at the top level of athletics, its always been the person with the more money and time to train who wins. The guy who trains i the local pool twice a week around work is never going to beat the guy with their own pool at home who can train every day. That's the reality of any sport.

@Ronaldo-eu1nz

Жыл бұрын

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@risha5642

Жыл бұрын

I feel like with factoring genetics for a starting advantage; what you've stated is the only correct answer. I know a lot of people enjoy sports and want it to be as fair as possible, but unless we limit people to some degree of genetic variance, technology, money, time etc., there's always going to be this weird and arbitrary rules which imo, seem really trivial. (Why not just let everyone wear the shoe unless we go towards a naked Olympics for fairness?)

@lisagriffin8221

Жыл бұрын

Genetics play a very crucial role here! If anything, the example of Eliud Kipchoge is a crucial reason why you’re wrong - he doesn’t come from money, Kenya (my country) is not rich nor adequately provides for their athletes (money for him came after being noticed by Nike which took YEARS). He is a Kalenjin, a Kenyan tribe who are popularly known for their running ability. I would know, I’m one of them and I grew up running :)

@ska042

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agreed. Performance is always a product of many factors. It's time trained recently x time trained accumulated over the years x genetics x equipment x training type/efficiency x mental state x age/performance curve x many more factors. That's the reality of it.

@jacobyakus8620

Жыл бұрын

You know a lot of pro athletes grow up poor? Jackie Robinson?

It’s important to mention that the marathon record was also “broken” with a constant slipstream of pacemakers and hence does not count as an official record.

@saigesmart4167

Жыл бұрын

yeah the record was engineered to be possible in like a billion ways lol

@FutureCommentary1

Жыл бұрын

It might be like the mile though: once the 4 min mile was broken, the new record was broken within the same year. Although this race was done in perfect conditions that are impossible to replicate in a real race, maybe it will still spur people to run sub two hour marathons. But just like the under four minute mile, it will always be extremely rare.

@maxb4085

Жыл бұрын

Having pacemakers doesn't make it automatically not an official record. Anything from the 800m upwards to the marathon will have pacemakers for a record attempt. There are 4 reasons it's an unofficial record. 1) The shoes were illegal 2) The pacemakers were coming in and out of the race (so all pacemakers need to start at the same time as the actual athletes) 3) Kipchoge was the only runner doing the full distance (you need a set number of athletes racing for a record to be granted) 4) The drinks and energy gels were being handed out to Kipchoge by someone riding alongside him and not from a table on the side of the course. (Yes this is an actual rule in marathon running)

@saigesmart4167

Жыл бұрын

@@maxb4085 its not illegal, but the location was also picked and designed to be ideal elevation and totally flat, which isnt going to happen besides a track made somewhere at that same elevation, but even then a tracks turns are harder on your body compared to this ones slighter turns

@Eric-lx8hp

9 ай бұрын

​@@maxb4085except the olympics

Actually, running shoes midsole always revolves around EVA foam. Shoe companies just innovate the upper and the outsole and tinker with the formula for their EVA. It was until adidas came out with boost midsole that jolts the other shoe companies to think of introducing their own midsole material. Adidas boost was so revolutionary that it changed the midsole game forever. A few years after boost was introduced, nike came out with lunarfoam, react midsole, asics with flytfoam blast, skechers with hyperburst, New Balance with freshfoam, under armour with hovr (also pebax based). So all in all, we have adidas to thank for giving us cushy shoes with big energy returns.

@Anon.G

Жыл бұрын

Adidas did not come out with boost. Boost is a tpu made by basf

@albertteng1191

Жыл бұрын

@@Anon.G I know, it was also first offered to puma but somehow it was adidas who first introduced running shoes with boost midsole

@uglymug211

Жыл бұрын

@@Anon.G What shoes did BASF release with their TPU Boost midsole?

@Anon.G

Жыл бұрын

@@uglymug211 none, because BASF is a chemicals company, not a shoe company.

@-_pi_-

Жыл бұрын

@@Anon.G He clearly writes «came out with the boost midsole» if you’re going to nitpick, double check. Adidas did do that no matter who produced the material. By your logic the first person who made alloy steel, is to thank for every dumptruck and digger on the planet.

Hey, great video as always. But you may want to add a correction: at the beginning when you show a picture of Eliud running the sub 2 hour marathon in Vienna, it’s NOT the Vaporfly. Those are the Alphafly. They’re significantly different (the Alphafly have an air pod). Might want to correct that!

@Sullian_dF

Жыл бұрын

Oh so the Alphafly can play music, got it

@nathangamble125

Жыл бұрын

@@Sullian_dF The vaporfly can play music as well, but only vaporwave.

@adamrasmussen3521

Жыл бұрын

He also misgendered him at 00:04

@Numbabu

Жыл бұрын

@@adamrasmussen3521 heurana marathon

@janorajmond

Жыл бұрын

Also, under 2 hours should be " 2 hrs". Hope we make it in the annual corrections video, guys! 😁

I think sports attire should be standardised for competitions like this. That way it’s guaranteed to be fair.

@titaniumwo1f390

Жыл бұрын

YES! If every runner can wear Nike Vaporfly without buying and sponsorship, everyone will have to relies on his/her running performance, thus make a competition fair.

@vincentwong1127

Жыл бұрын

fair and without sponsor

@DrDanda3

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but no. Imagine two tennis players prefering two different rackets (or likes it a little more stiff for example), how do you choose the standard and why one other the other?

@iMadrid11

Жыл бұрын

Innovation would stop. If sports equipment are all standardized. The competition among different brands on who could make the best shoe for each sport discipline. Is what drives the arms race. Who could develop the best shoe for athletes to gain a marginal advantage. When you are competing at the highest level. Almost everyone at the top of your sport are equally strong. So any marginal gains you can get from your equipment (shoes for runners) could mean winning or losing a few milliseconds.

@danparish1344

Жыл бұрын

Nah… this is a bad idea. People have differently shaped feet and bodies, people should wear gear they prefer and feel the most comfortable in. Also, many are sponsored and have a stake in different companies that they want to promote, they shouldn’t be forced to wear a rival company’s product that they’re not used to wearing and that could potentially hurt the company they want to promote. A better solution is for athletes to submit what they are going to wear ahead of time in a transparent way to other athletes any time new tech or a new product will be used. From there, all of the athletes can choose to wear what they said they would or switch to the gear of a competitor - as long is it’s in the new list or has been used in past Olympics, it’s fair to use.

I'd say that any 'passive' sports gear for running and swimming should be legal, as you're just using the athlete's body and power more efficiently. Passive means no additional energy so no motors.

@Fractured_Unity

Жыл бұрын

So springs in shoes are ok? That’s essentially what this is. The athlete should have to focus on retaining as much energy as possible with correct form, rather than just externalizing all their need for retention

@RW-jz9xf

Жыл бұрын

The biggest issue is accessibility. It's OK for runners to be faster than they were historically due to equipment, but everyone in the same race should have access to the same gear. In this race anyone who wasn't on team Nike lost by default.

@SteveDice21

Жыл бұрын

I'd say fuck it, let's go back to the Greek roots of e Olympics and have them compete naked.

@nathangamble125

Жыл бұрын

This sounds sensible at first, but it's obviously stupid if you think about it for more than 10 seconds. A bicycle is powered by the athlete's body. Should marathon runners be allowed to use a bicycle? Roller blades, perhaps?

@iguana272

Жыл бұрын

In which case the actual marathon world record is 56:49, more than an hour quicker than Kipchoge, set by Belgian rollerblader Bart Swings in 2015. It fits your criteria, after all.

The shoes he wore are not the vaporflys, the shoes he wore in his sub 2 hour marathon was a prototype alphafly

kipchoge didn't wear vaporflys in his sub 2 hour run, he wore alphaflys, the improved version of vaporflys

@peter7371

Жыл бұрын

Lol ya this is all wrong lol and they are both allowed

'less than 2' is expressed as '2'

Even with the very best shoes, its still just your own two legs, training, nutrition and race strategy. Being able to maintain 4:35 pace for 1:59:42 is superhuman. Honestly, try it. Put the treadmill at your gym up to the very highest it will go and see how long you can sustain that speed for. Hate when people question the legitimacy of Kipchoges achievement (it wasn't an official record anyway because it wasn't real race conditions, I get that bit). Also side-note, MOST olympic marathon runners now wear the vaporfly, next % or other super shoe.

@denisl2760

Жыл бұрын

4:35 / mile pace for 26 miles is freaking unreal. I'm in pretty good physical shape, and I'm struggling to get a 6 minute mile. And a 1:09 400m is pretty much my top speed for 1 lap, this dude can do that for 104 laps!

@nawdude4292

Жыл бұрын

you kinda contradict yourself at the end there. "it's still just your own two legs..." and "most olympic marathon runners..." now wear the same shoe speaks a lot to it not just being your own two legs when the shoes can mean the difference between winning and losing

@epicgamer496

Жыл бұрын

i can only maintain 4:35 pace for 50 minutes 😭

@J_bixby

Жыл бұрын

@@nawdude4292 still your own two legs and ability, super shoe or no super shoe. That was my point.

@denisl2760

Жыл бұрын

@@epicgamer496 Seriously? This guy might want to hire you as a pacer.

The shoes that he was wearing were the “Nike Air Zoom Alphafly Next%” which are the vaporflys newer bigger sister in case any of you runners wanted to try them out

I personally think shoes give an unfair advantage, so no shoes, hell clothes are an unfair advantage, no clothes, make the Olympics fun, but seriously, make the most advantage you can, that won't adversely hurt the athlete

@ypatel1070

Жыл бұрын

The type of person who wouldn't mind if everyone is juiced in the Olympics just to see the craze records and results 😝

@felipea1399

Жыл бұрын

lets go back to the ancient Greek olympics where everyone was naked

@bramsou1311

Жыл бұрын

athlets were naked in ancient olympics maybe we should bring that back

@JatPhenshllem

Жыл бұрын

@ Yeah, let's not bring that bit back. And I'm not sure, but maybe women would like something to hold their breasts in place. I'm not sure ladies'd appreciate that bounce competing with the rest of the body.

@msd7544

Жыл бұрын

Way to miss the point.

It's a shame they've banned any further innovation on this tech. Wonder what it could have led to.

@Ronaldo-eu1nz

Жыл бұрын

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@jakobmeibeyer

Жыл бұрын

There is still a lot of innovation going on in this field

@FitzChivalryFarseer2

Жыл бұрын

Jack shit good in this context. Lot of so called broken records are just by a bunch of losers with better gear that would have no chance in hell beating some records in the same stuff that people wore when the records were made

@skyfeelan

Жыл бұрын

they may be banned on olympics, but casual runner will still buy it

@David_Box

Жыл бұрын

@@FitzChivalryFarseer2 why not just give everyone good gear then?

The problem isnt the fancy shoes, its access to the fancy shoes. They should ban patented shoes. Unless every company can make whatever its banned. You want your shoes in the olympics open the patent.

0:05 Should be

That moment when Nike created shoes so good that running became pay2win sport

@B3Band

Жыл бұрын

Not really. By your logic every new advance in sport is pay2win. They cost the same as any other high level running shoe, so anyone who runs competitively has access to them. By your logic Formula 1 and Nascar are pay2win, because different car manufacturers have different approaches, and one might be better than the other.

@alfredofettuccine2397

Жыл бұрын

Nah if you run with a team you’ll notice that shoes don’t deviate much with performance, it’s all about what that runner feels best in

@xynyde0

Жыл бұрын

@@B3Band why not use regular running shoes. Not even high level shoes. Afterall, the competition is between humans, not shoes!

0:15 Can’t wait for HAI to mention this in HAI mistakes pt 5

@neoxyte

Жыл бұрын

Probably done on purpose to encourage comments in the video and help the algorithm.

“These are the Nike vaporfly’s” *shows a pair of alphaflys*

To be fair, going forwards every other major shoe company has caught up in shoe design so unless Nike makes another technological leap by Paris it should be an even enough playing ground.

Imagine if they were allowed to run barefoot.

Sounds to me like the *real* sponsor of this video is Nike

I run 30-40 second per Km faster on carbon plated shoe than my traditional daily trainer. As a recreational runner I support this technology and it makes my race day feel really special. After all, we also have to keep training to ensure that our body can handle faster pace with super shoes.

I have never tried the Vaporfly, but I have run my last 5 marathons, and however many halves and 5Ks I've done this year, in the Nike Alphafly, and I am about to run another marathon in them on Wednesday. The Alphafly is pretty much the same thing, but better for folks who have super high arches. I did not notice a performance increase over my previous Hoka shoes, but I did notice a massive reduction in impact on my forefoot. I was able to continue racing with minimal pain, in spite of an injury. In almost every race over the past year, the vast majority of runners around me have been wearing the Vaporfly or the Alphafly. Nike is raking in zillions from us.

@ska042

Жыл бұрын

I mean, for a top athlete 4% is a lot, for most regular amateur runners, it's probably close to within the bounds of their own form variation, so it may be hard to tell. Although it should be pretty noticeable if you ran the same course at the same point in your training in similar conditions (probably a few times each, to average over)

my phone is so good in exams, that the school declared it cheating 😔 relatable huh

@Demixz.

Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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@Sichrono

Жыл бұрын

The amount of bots lmao

@isaiahc8390

Жыл бұрын

This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!

for small scale athletic events, like the olympics, they should just standardize what the athletes wear, a la formula 1. marathons should be free for all imo, until they make some bionic suit or shoes with wheels.

@ska042

Жыл бұрын

That's pretty funny, considering how much money every F1 team spends on developing and optimizing their car. Did you think they all ran the same one? There are regulations in F1 that specify the bounds in which teams can develop... Just like the regulations that Nike and other shoe manufacturers now have to follow about sole height, blades, etc.

@divicarpe1844

Жыл бұрын

Shoes with wheels already exists, they are called rollerblades

@evanlovesbacongames161

Жыл бұрын

@@divicarpe1844 I think they are thinking of Heeleys the shoes that act like normal shoes until you tip your foot back 45 degrees and then you can roll

@Thermophobe

Жыл бұрын

@@ska042 think tyres and shoes.

None of the Vaporfly shoes are banned. Neither are the Alphafly.

You could just say that no proprietary designs are allowed. If a company wants their shoes to but used in professional competitions, they can’t be a copyrighted design

@Peterh165

Жыл бұрын

The rule now is that they have to be commercially available. So prototypes are banned, but if it has been sold in stores it can be used (if it meets the stack height/plate rules)

I got a pair. They’re all right. I care more about the foam. They perform like a running shoe, but have the endurance of a marathon shoe. The plate just compensates for the extra foam. I feel just as fast in my paper thin running shoes, but I can run every day in these while those are once a week.

This is pretty old news by this point. Kipchoge's 2 hour event happened in 2019. These days many other brands have their own carbon plated running shoes which have caught up or in some cases arguably surpassed Nike's shoes. ASICS, for example, launched its MetaSpeed line for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

@Peterh165

Жыл бұрын

Yup. This video basically has 2020 info, and ignores the Metaspeeds, the Adios Adizero Pro (with the carbon tubes instead of plate), the Endorphin Pro and the New Balance carbon racer. Even the 4% bit is old news as there is the NEXT% and NEXT% 2 which are supposedly a bit better, and no discussion of difference between vaperfly and alphafly

@lxndrlbr

Жыл бұрын

@@Peterh165 That's why we read the comments! To have additional info about the topic in the video. I am sure you will get pinned or liked by @halfasinteresting

@mxchump

Жыл бұрын

Feels like Nike is still king because they had a head start but Asics, Sacouny, and even Hoka definitely are closing the gap

@isaiahc8390

Жыл бұрын

This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!

Man, great research. Skillful explanation of the relevant data. Good job!

I love your narration. The sharpe joke at the end was very good.

Kipchoge was actually wearing a prototype version of the Alphafly, not the Vaporfly.

@joelamburn

Жыл бұрын

You can clearly see that they are alphaflys too

@themadrunningitalian

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly.

Fun fact: The guy had a spine injury before the race and he actually cant run, but the shoes actually do 120% of the running and since 2019 hes still running... he cant stop...the shoes control his life now.

@Skyisgoingbacktopluto

Жыл бұрын

They've now rooted to his feet and are anchored up to the knee. No hope for his legs at this point

that compliance and resilience joke was hilarious! lol nice one!

Other brands are catching up, example is ASICS meta speed sky + which is pretty close now percentage return wise but still not same weight or comfort. Also FYI to people thinking to buy these for jogging: they last barely lover the length of a marathon before dropping off. It’s a shoe you buy to run the race in; and is not for you unless your technique is perfect. Also you need to put a lot of force into carbon plates

@aliasgharkhoyee9501

4 ай бұрын

You're generally right but going too far. The shoes actually benefit people with slightly imperfect form more.

Just wanted to point out the following: 1. Eliud Kipchoge was wearing the Nike Alpha Fly Next% when he ran the Ineos event in under two hours. 2. The symbol ">" means "more than" and "

@JayQwery

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the run time was in superposition it was both under and over 2 hours, trully some incredible shoes to break the fabric of reality.

I once was cheated by a shoe, and the Olympics declared it was good.

@groundedgaming

Жыл бұрын

@SIiркnоt 🅥 what’s here? My refund for the shoe I was scammed of?

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Жыл бұрын

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@KJ4EZJ

Жыл бұрын

The sub-comment spam has gotten out of control.

@stellviahohenheim

Жыл бұрын

@@KJ4EZJ I'm very curious where the links go through can you take one for the team and click on it then tell me?

@ralphvelthuis2359

Жыл бұрын

@@stellviahohenheim i put them on my watch list. The first one seems to have something to do with cows. The second one is about making potato wedges in a air fryer. The last one seems to be about goofy games.

extremities was fantastic, I'm glad to hear you guys were able to bring it back

As a former Nike Employee it was so cool to work for them when the shoe was being released, glad this video was made and explains it in such a good way

Congrats on getting a video clip on Last Week Tonight on HBO about carbon offsets. When the clip started playing, I said, "Hey, I know that voice! That's a HAI video!" Really cool.

So, we are back to "Is it the shoes?" all over again. Kipchoge is the reason the Vaporflys ran for that record.

fun fact this whole debate is why the ancient greeks ran naked, they didnt want anyone wearing vaporwaves

"technological doping" sounds like the name of a super trippy electronic album lol

Eliud Kipchoge comes from the Kalenjin tribe in Kenya (which I’m part of - Yamune 👋🏾) who are popularly known for winning running competitions internationally. Running is in our DNA because we’ve been doing it for centuries and our body types are fit for long-distance running (look it up) Eluid’s success is not just from his shoes

@stellviahohenheim

Жыл бұрын

Did you even watch the video? His win is solely because of the shoes that Nike have to him

@justin.booth.

Жыл бұрын

@@stellviahohenheim Well I mean he's also a ridiculously amazing runner, other people had the shoe too Edit: I just saw that pun xD

@ohjahohfrick9837

Жыл бұрын

More like scores of millennia. The origins of humanity were in Kenya, and the one thing that differentiated us from the rest of the animal kingdom was our ability to run long distances. The niche of all humans up until 10,000 years ago was chasing down prey until they collapsed from exhaustion. The reason Kenyans specifically are the best runners is because their prey co-evolved with them and were given the chance to compete with this strategy whereas in all other places humans were an invasive species that quickly and easily wiped out all of the mega fauna wherever we went. After wiping out all of the easy food sources we were forced to rely more on our sociability and intelligence to survive. While in Kenya they were forced to rely more on their long distance running to continue to be able to catch up to their evermore evasive prey.

0:06 it should be 2h

@groundedgaming

Жыл бұрын

wow thats a mistake already

@PaulJeffrey

Жыл бұрын

Was hoping somebody spotted it 😅

@pallasproserpina4118

Жыл бұрын

no doubt we'll see it in this year's mistakes video

@CarFreeSegnitz

Жыл бұрын

no, it’s correct. These shoes are so good they warp reality enough so a runner can run both under 2 hours AND over 2 hours simultaneously. Schrodinger shoes.

0:15 I don't get how people can confuse . It's so intuitive... small < large - as the sign implies - where the sign is larger, the larger number goes. So if you want to say "less than 2 hours" you should say "

0:12 In the ineos marathon, kipchoge had alphafly shoes on, the pace runners had vapor fly shoes but eliud had a prototype pair of alphafly shoes

Looks like Nike is at it again with the secret sponsorships. This is the third video about these shoes released today from the people I follow.

Its not unfair, its literally just a good shoe that anyone can buy.

I like how people don't credit the runner and just treat the Vaporfly like an overpowered RPG boot that the devs forgot to nerf.

There is an interesting video by Knowing Better about this subject. The interesting part that this video left out is that shoes like the vapor flys benefit heel striking, since thats where you impart most energy into the shoe to be returned to you as the runner. The thing is, a lot of runners are forefoot strikers, who benefit from minimal padding on the shoes, so vaporflys don't actually help them much.

I run for a club sponsored by Adidas and let me tell you the few years between Nike having a carbon fiber shoe and Adidas getting out their own version was frustrating. Also, the shoes improve efficiency by different levels in different people which makes the impact feel.... cheaty? Like if you order 10 runners by performance level and then put all 10 in the shoes they would need to be reranked even though everything else was constant. Sucks to be a low adapter who was on the fringe of making an olympic team and suddenly 20 more people are ahead of you.

@DoubleThePie

Жыл бұрын

I work in footwear manufacturing, and I can tell you that the reason for the gap was because Nike patented the carbon fibre plate which was effective for 5 years. As soon as the patent expired around 2020, every other major running brand started introducing their own carbon plated midsoles but if they did so earlier they would've been sued to high hell and back. Adidas is a great brand but Nike owns around 40% of the footwear market share and have a lot of money to throw at R&D (and lawyers). Adidas is really not bad at all but in terms of size and research capabilities, they don't even come close.

Basically me when i have new shoes and flex on my classmates

TLDR, The original olympics in ancient greece had it right doing everything butt naked.

I was never interested in nebula, but I loved loved loved every episode of extremities on KZread and was saddened when you didn’t make new ones. Nebula just turned itself a new paying customer.

Let’s ban underwear and bras too. Can’t have an unfair competitive advantage by increasing agility and comfort. 🤡 These shoes are awesome. How about we also ban water bottles? In the real marathon thousands of years ago, you didn’t have easy access to water either. Technology bad.

@noobatredstone3001

Жыл бұрын

A pretty bad comparison. The other things mentioned just keep you more comfortable, while the shoes actually increase your physical ability.

@thelelanatorlol3978

Жыл бұрын

@@noobatredstone3001 No, the shoes allow you to be more efficient in your physical ability. Should we ban running tracks that more short distance runners use because they provide more energy return than dirt? Fuck no. Technology to improve athlete efficiency is and always be a crucial part of sports. You wouldn't remove the lubrication from formula 1 cars to reduce their max operating speed because some car might have better lubricant. You wouldn't remove the dimples on a golf ball to reduce their accuracy and range because smooth golf balls were always used. Same principle here, human bodies are machines, you want to improve efficiency to eek out more performance from the same base stats.

@noobatredstone3001

Жыл бұрын

@@thelelanatorlol3978 if two people race on a running track, they are only limited by their abilities. If two people race on dirt, the same is true. If one races on a track and the other doesn’t however, the competition is no longer fair. The shoes can be compared to turning dirt into a track for the individual, giving them an advantage unrelated to physical ability. The other examples you mentioned don’t work at all. For the car: we don’t break the runners’ legs either. As for golf, everyone uses the same balls, it’s the same as the running track.

@mxchump

Жыл бұрын

This is a logical extreme, there does have to be a line somewhere or else we’ll be seeing shoes with absurd features on them eventually and the sport should be about the running more than the gear. The current middle ground is really good, we’re allowed to keep the main technology innovation while still leaving room where every year since they vaporflys came out we can see smaller but still good innovation on the new shoes coming out.

@reamick

Жыл бұрын

There was no marathon in the Greek Olympics. The race is a modern invention.

This video is proof that people will watch very long ads as long as they seem interesting

Perspirational worm chase. Haha, that got me.

0:42 If those are modern day shoes, what was before those😂

This is the ultimate flex

@SnarkNSass

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

To make any competition fair every athlete should wear same shoes and gears, that’s how u can assess athletes individual abilities easily, but due to different body structure, types of foot, ankle problems, and different endorsement, i dont think it can be made possible nowadays, back in 1900’s sure not a lot of sports companies in the market.

Tom Scott next year: Running a marathon in these special shoes

That Alphafly never had 3 carbon plates. That one is a complete myth

Putting a spring in the shoe seems like a pretty obvious idea. I'm surprised it took them so long to figure it out. You adjust the stiffness for the specific use case and boom. A shoe.

@alfredofettuccine2397

Жыл бұрын

I think upon studying how shoes work with efficiency you’d be soon to find out it isn’t that simple

Polymer material is what made those suits super fast. Not only did FINA outlaw the full length, they more importantly instated that the material had to be a milled textile garmet.

We’ll see this video during your mistakes recap for the year.

How can a massive channel make a video that’s entirely wrong but speak with such confidence

The solution to the "unfair advantage" issue is for Nike to strike its sponsorship deals with the race sponsors, not the athletes, and they will provide shoes to everyone. Anyone who wants a Vaporfly or whatever comes next, can have it.

@SuperPathfinder10

Жыл бұрын

Very bad idea. They are so gready charging over 300$ for them. Running is one of the very few sports the poorest could exel. No more the drove the prices for shoes to the roof. I'm so fed up with them i changed to other brands.

Interesting! I’ve never thought about running shoes this way! Nike is really pushing the envelope.

@Zxv975

Жыл бұрын

Envelope? Lol

@tickthatboxx

Жыл бұрын

@@Zxv975 yes! Thanks for the correction!

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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@bubba842

Жыл бұрын

6 years ago they were. Nike Vaporfly shoes are not even ranked in the top running shoes today. All the competitors have overtaken them as of today. The regulations on mid sole were not their just for Nike but everyone. Up to this every running shoe manufacturer was pushing the limit so some thing had to be done. All high end running shoes now conform to this regulation, most have carbon plates and 40mm of foam as standard. If you look at any modern shoe you will see alot of cushioning has creeped in over the last 5 years. They look completely different to shoes from 10 years ago.

I was literally thinking about this whole saga a couple of days ago

There should be some sort of Olympic engineering competition.

They are the Nike ZoomX Alphafly Next%, not the Vaporfly

5:00 IDK. If it's really about "not giving athletes an unfair technical advantage", the organizer should just specify an exact model of shoe.

@Minette203

Жыл бұрын

but then the company will release the same shoe under a new name and the slightest variaton, that's why there's no point in banning only a specific model

@0xEmmy

Жыл бұрын

@@Minette203 Not "you can't use this shoe", but "you can ONLY use this shoe".

The end joke got you a thumbs up. Lmfao I'm laughing hard.

imagine car racing was like this. "you cant drive that car because its faster than mine"

You forgot that now almost every running shoe company has there own super shoe that is comparable or even better then vaporflys

So one company figured out the next revolution in sports equipment, and they were banned because other companies couldn't use their own R&D departments to compete effectively. Got it. Maybe we should ban low drag swimsuits too then.

@Junya01

Жыл бұрын

And then they did ban low drag swimsuits

"Or a Sharpie" 💥

Wearing this shoe gives you +5 Speed +3 Comfort +3 Stability -1 Drip

Might I say These shoes are on STEROIDS? 😂

*THIS VIDEO WAS SPONSORED BY NIKE*

Q: " What makes the vaporfly so good?" A: Child slave labor.

For the year end error recap: At 5 sec & again at 14 sec, you said "under 2 hours", but the graphic on screen was ">2 hours" which is the symbol for "greater than".

“Under two hours” and “> 2 hours” are not the same thing. This better go in the mistakes video.

I mean they’d ant blame him for having the best running shoes there’s nothing stopping the other runners from getting them

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Жыл бұрын

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Very talented, probably work real hard. Really enjoy your stuff.

For non-runners, would these shoes help you in any way when just doing every day stuff? Like help your joints or allow you to cover more ground with less energy?