As person raised in Florida, I found myself asking "but why would they build X in the middle of an inhospitable jungle?" almost daily.

@patrickmanasco8772

Жыл бұрын

Relatable especially spending so much time around Naples and Miami

@jakenh8264

Жыл бұрын

Cough cough Disney cough cough

@not_an_arg_

Жыл бұрын

Because it's Florida

@jorceshaman

Жыл бұрын

@@jakenh8264 Cheap land and running their own city.

@99certain45

Жыл бұрын

When you get rid of the inhospitable jungle, and you spray the mosquitoes with enough cancer causing chemicals, Florida is actually one of the most comfortable places in America.

I’m a commercial pilot (in progress) here in Florida and I remember going to this airport once while trining as a Private Pilot. It is so in the middle of nowhere that I passed by a turtle taking a sunbath in the middle of the taxiway while exiting the runway

@christopherbazaka1564

Жыл бұрын

thats so cool, what airline do you fly for?

@aiz3n0

Жыл бұрын

@whaaa t bruh

@marywegrzyn506

Жыл бұрын

Awwww, how cool was that that you got to experience that?! Something you will never forget !!!

@nicolasrios5736

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherbazaka1564 actually I’m just about to finish my commercial pilot training 😅

@derrickstorm6976

Жыл бұрын

What a weird example, "there was an animal on the runway so it must be a really remote area"

Despite not having the biggest airport, Florida still has the honour of one of the worlds longest runways, used to land the space shuttle. Despite being nearly 5km long, many astronauts have still complained about it being too short, which is understandable when you have to land from space while initially going almost 8km/s

@hitenshah821

Жыл бұрын

Yes jerry. Thank you for that nugget of wisdom

@Raptor747

Жыл бұрын

And also when the words "go around" are likely to evoke thoughts of going around the globe before re-entering the atmosphere...

@maxdona2452

Жыл бұрын

Also, the space shuttle was a flying brick with insanely high landing speed, so they couldn't slow down too much before touch down

@zaphod4245

Жыл бұрын

The vast majority of the 8km/s was bled off as it descended due to air resistance and re-entry, so that isn't really relevant. But most planes a) have large wings and are relatively light, so can land at relatively slow speeds, and b) use reverse thrust to slow themselves when they land, to assist the brakes to stop quickly. The space shuttle with all of it's ceramic heat shielding, was very heavy, and had small wings so as not to cause too much drag during launch, so had to fly at a much higher speed to maintain enough lift, meaning a higher approach speed. Plus, it's lack of any thrust when landing meant that the only things it had were its brakes and parachute, which aren't nearly as effective as reverse thrust. Hence the need for a very long runway. But there are long runways around the world for the space shuttle, which it never even used, while Cape Canaveral was almost always the planned landing site, should there be some problem, and the space shuttle goes off course, it could need to land anywhere, and with no engines it couldn't just glide all the way back to florida. Some examples of alternate landing sites include RAF Fairford in the UK, Bermuda airport (formerly an Air base), Diego Garcia and Edwards AFB.

@maxdona2452

Жыл бұрын

@@zaphod4245 yes, it's was basically the world worst glider when in re-entry phase xD I seem to remember more runways than that, with other countries cooperation (France come to mind), am I wrong ?

As a corporate pilot, I fly over this airport going all the time and I’ve always wondered why it’s there but I’ve always used it as my emergency landing plan if we need to land over the swamp lands out there. I appreciate its existence

@katiesiouxlamoureaux7757

Жыл бұрын

Well at least it wasn't a waste

@dieseldragon6756

4 ай бұрын

Thinking about the size of the Florida swamplands (Which have more area than my entire _country_ 🇬🇧) having a usable runway in the middle of it makes a lot of sense for emergency purposes, even if there's no possibility of a scheduled passenger service... ✈⚠👍

@cooltwittertag

Ай бұрын

​@@dieseldragon6756the florida wetlands are 1/40th of the size of the uk

@bertblue9683

Ай бұрын

As a = douchebag

@BronxBastard730

27 күн бұрын

"I fly over thos airport GOING all the time" Are you sure you're really a pilot and not an illiterate keyboard warrior?

I’m amazed that I happened to stumble across this video. My father, James Rudd, was ATC tower chief at this airport in the mid-70’s. I was in fifth grade at the time. He and I would go out here to go fishing together. He would often come home in the evening to share, “Found an alligator next to the tower today,” or, “Saw a bobcat on the runway today.” Very fun to see this video. It’s part of my childhood.

I did some training there. Really weird flying over miles of nothing then suddenly a massive runway appears in front of you.

@mrpw1402

Жыл бұрын

Almost like a mirage for pilots

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

If you think the 'Glades are "miles of nothing", you clearly didn't spend any time there outside of your cushy airplane. The 'Glades are probably Florida's greatest natural treasure.

@thestateofalaska

Жыл бұрын

@@SkunkApe407 Oh I’ve been there before. It’s quite lovely. Doesn’t change the fact that it all looks the same from a plane. And I think it’d be weirder if I was outside of my cushy airplane given the fact that I was doing airplane school, not everglades school. Time and place.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

@@thestateofalaska I spent quite a few years in the Navy, which entailed a good bit of schooling. I still managed to find time to explore the surrounding areas. If you were training there, you were most likely staying close by. Had you spent any time actually exploring the 'Glades, you'd know that there's actually quite a lot there.

@thejackbox

3 ай бұрын

@@SkunkApe407I spent years there in the navy. There’s nothing there bud

My father was lured into buying 10 acres of swamp land in the Everglades. He did finally recognize his mistake but who else would buy it? Than he was contacted (I'm not sure who it was) to sell his land(yippie) for this group building an airport. I always wondered what happened to that airport, and now I know. I am also happy that it gets some use.

@katiesiouxlamoureaux7757

Жыл бұрын

Nice backstory, thankyou

@Trevor-gu8bb

Жыл бұрын

It's more likely that land went to some tiny strip being built. The Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport covers an area of 24,960 acres.

@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958

Жыл бұрын

Glad your family was able to sell the swampland. Most Florida "land owners" are not so fortunate.

I'm a 17 year old private pilot, and my examiner actually made me do a few takeoffs and landings at this exact runway on my pilot test!

@1224chrisng

Жыл бұрын

I heard that Chuck Yeager got his pilot's license before his driving license, has other pilots done the same?

@nodical802

Жыл бұрын

@time to leave earth reported for spam

@andrew04207

Жыл бұрын

@@1224chrisng I am sure that plenty have. Need to be 17 to finish a pilot's license which is the same as a driver's license in many states. So, if somebody wanted to be a pilot but didn't rush to get their driver's license then it's totally possible

@paolo4277

Жыл бұрын

@@1224chrisng I actually don’t have a drivers license, but I am an instrument rated private pilot.

@christopherbazaka1564

Жыл бұрын

@@1224chrisng actually no, he was the best and nobody can beat him even today :O

Btw the everglades aren't really swamp lands or a jungle, they're wetlands or a marsh. Also the everglades is technically a large and very slow river. Though some coasts do have mangrove swamps.

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

It's also not in Orlando as his little map animation showed.

@Luckyleol

Жыл бұрын

@@wingracer1614 yea. But many people pointed that out already

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

@@wingracer1614 what do you expect? Most non-Floridians think that Orlando and Miami are the only two cities in Florida. Heck, most people think Florida is nothing more than a giant theme park. Every year, we have at least one person severely injured or killed by wildlife, and people inevitably ask why wild animals are allowed to be near humans. Like we're supposed to sterilize our entire state so that mashed potato looking Michiganders and frumpy, pale New Yorkers aren't scared by nature. Even the vast majority of "Florida Man" stories are about out-of-state transplants who come here thinking our state is a no rules free-for-all.

@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music

Жыл бұрын

And swamp lands are different from wetlands or a marsh because...

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

@@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music marshes tend to be filled with grasses and other herbaceous plants, whereas swamps tend to be home to woody plants like trees. Wetland is a general term that encompasses both marshes and swamps.

"Crocodile to human ratio" There are about a thousand crocodiles left in Florida, they are extremely endangered. There are 1.3 million alligators, however.

@SearTrip

Жыл бұрын

True, still, compared to the rest of the U.S., the area has an insanely high crocodile to human ratio.

@vacafuega

Жыл бұрын

Most important comment

@coyoteartist

Жыл бұрын

@@SearTrip Actually it's currently between 1,500 and 2,000 so you're more right then you were.

@User31129

Жыл бұрын

Really? I thought there were as many Crocodiles in Florida as there are penguins in Alaska.

@ClarinoI

Жыл бұрын

All alligators are crocodiles, not all crocodiles are alligators.

One of the most interesting things to come out of the "Supersonic" age of jet flight was Boeing jumping in with both feet so hard to build supersonic planes that when Seattle got their NBA franchise in 1967 they named them the SuperSonics shortly before the whole thing at Boeing got shut down because the FAA did testing over Oklahoma City that showed people didn't want Sonic Booms dooming Boeing's Supersonic planes. This led to the ultimate irony when the Seattle Supersonics left Seattle in 2006 because they were bought by a consortium to move them to, you guessed it, Oklahoma City.

@TreiPani

Жыл бұрын

99pi does a great episode on this

@richardjacques1731

Жыл бұрын

And Seattle got to keep the SuperSonics name, and OKC named their team....wait for it....THE THUNDER!

@kappaman1994

Жыл бұрын

Damn… great irony & great comment

@hkray

Жыл бұрын

Damn… great irony & great comment Yes, and so tangential to all the other great comments... from swamp land to thunder yet all connected to planes....

This was one reason Montreal's Mirabel airport was built. The airport would have been the 'eastern gateway' for super sonic jets entering Canada, feeding Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto with short-haul flights. (Another potential location for this airport was in Ontario, closer to Toronto, but Montreal got the airport because politics.)

@fuzzwork

Жыл бұрын

Mirabel was supposed to replace both YUL and YOW with a 4 lane expressway and a high speed rail line running between the downtowns. Expressway got sort of half built, train didn't get built a all, leaving YMQ in the middle of nowhere between the two cities

@thezackast2752

Жыл бұрын

@@fuzzwork I'm sorry to sound uneducated, but could you tell me what all the stuff starting with Ys are? I am rather confused

@ethanleclerc4879

Жыл бұрын

@@thezackast2752 airports codes. YUL is Montreal's Pierre-Elliott-Trudeau airport.

@thezackast2752

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanleclerc4879 ok, thanks for the clarification

@michaela6156

Жыл бұрын

Along with the Big “O(we)”, Montreal has a bit of a reputation for expensive white elephants

To this day, nobody has crossed an alligator picket line.

I gave elder care to Bob Sampson, the former airport commander (yes , that was his official title) of KTNT (the airports FAA designation). Bob has passed away now but it was interesting to hear you tell the story which is more or less they way he told it to me.

My favorite part of this is the fact that they were going to build a huge airport in the middle of the swamp and then someone asked "Wait, would that hurt the swamp?" like there was any doubt. And yeah, I know the real reason for the study was probably just to have it officially written down, but still

@gogglez.

Жыл бұрын

Its literally a National park and they were like “yeah let’s put a airport in here for super sonic jets that totally would be fine”

@marvindebot3264

Жыл бұрын

@@gogglez. Quite, I'm sure even gators don't like sonic booms much.

@MotorolaTriumphUser

Жыл бұрын

@@marvindebot3264 the gators don’t mind as long as they are underwater I’m pretty sure. I think it’s one of the reasons we launch space shuttles from an island and not the mainland

@marvindebot3264

Жыл бұрын

@@MotorolaTriumphUser You realise sound travels thru water faster and better than it does thru air, right?

@MatthijsvanDuin

Жыл бұрын

@@marvindebot3264 But they transfer very very poorly across a water-air interface, sound waves coming from the air will just bounce off the water instead of being conducted into it.

Looking forward to seeing this on the annual HAI mistakes video since the marked location of the Everglades @2:49 was about 250 miles north of its actual location. Love the videos and I am subscribed to Nebula!

@jojbenedoot7459

Жыл бұрын

As someone from Orlando it was very weird to see my city listed as the Everglades lol

@Uneedhelp91

Жыл бұрын

As someone who lives in central Florida, I was awestruck to see that the everglades went above lake Okeechobee.

@Uneedhelp91

Жыл бұрын

That dot is basically Lakeland....some 300miles north of the everglades.

@tonymagona334

Жыл бұрын

@@Uneedhelp91 300?! Nah man Lakeland is at most 100 miles from Lake Okeechobee (starting point of the Everglades). 300 miles is more like the distance between Miami and St. Augustine.

Pretty sure that your map with the Everglades annotated is about 300 miles too far north of the actual Everglades.

@soundscape26

Жыл бұрын

It definitely is.

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Everglades is not in Orlando.

@5roundsrapid263

Жыл бұрын

They got the Everglades and the Magic Kingdom mixed up!

@steves186

25 күн бұрын

If you start fact checking this video, you're going to be busy.

2:48 - that label is about 200 miles from the actual location. The everglades are down at the south tip of the state alongside Miami.

@5roundsrapid263

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the dot is up around Orlando.

The question is would the generic weird traveller have been able to get drunk on local liquor in those expensive bars?

@czechslovakian

Жыл бұрын

They would gamble their money away by betting on 17

@ole0510

Жыл бұрын

@@czechslovakian that sounds about right

@FelixGraye

Жыл бұрын

Would they have a good time while doing so?

@joermnyc

Жыл бұрын

And could they catch a fish nearby?

@ravinmarokef

Жыл бұрын

Would they be able to eat at a local Michelin-star restaurant as well?

Fun fact there is a big triangle shaped runway in the middle of a swamp about 100 miles north, it is used by lockheed martin to test missiles and radar devices.

@firstlast9731

Жыл бұрын

actually is about 50 miles south and i think was abandoned after the cold war

@seanthesheep

Жыл бұрын

Illuminati... confirmed??

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

That's been gone for almost 30 years, bud. Even their Dynamic Testing Range in Orlando is gone. Actually, Universal Studios bought the DTR, and is in the process of turning it into a new resort called Epic Universe. I did the initial survey work, as well as following an EOD crew to help locate, map, and destroy any unexploded ordinance prior to construction. Sometimes I love my job.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

@@seanthesheep nope, just simple flight logistics. Multiple runways allows you to launch and recover aircraft simultaneously. Also, a triangular layout would allow pilots to mitigate wind direction and the sun in their eyes during launches and landings.

2:50 you put the everglades in the wrong place; it’s in South Florida not Central Florida

@the_ratmeister

Жыл бұрын

It's about where Orlando is on the map in the video

@joon3900

Жыл бұрын

yep

You showed. Red dot in the middle of Florida that says everglades. I grew up where that dot is it is not the glades. The glades are at the south western "tip" of Florida

@joon3900

Жыл бұрын

yeah

@RocTroller

Жыл бұрын

Non Floridians too lazy to look up where the glades are smh

@PFBM86

Жыл бұрын

He did it on purpose so that a bunch of rubes would rush to the comment section to correct him, thereby increasing the video's engagement metrics and making the Almighty Algorithm more likely to recommend it.

Today's fact: Like humans, plants recognize their siblings and give them preferential treatment.

@indecipherable22

Жыл бұрын

Amogus

@tetoterritory

Жыл бұрын

among us

@hiramsicles5580

Жыл бұрын

Guys he’s a bot I saw him on the penguinz0 video posted like 5 minutes ago

@tetoterritory

Жыл бұрын

@@hiramsicles5580 it’s a good bot 1. informative 2. doesn’t spam every comment 3. isn’t offensive

@hiramsicles5580

Жыл бұрын

@@tetoterritory I know I was just saying

"Emergency space shuttle landing site." Imagine the runway gets infested with alligators and all four staff have to try to scare them away so the shuttle can land safely?

@DoABarrelRol1l

Жыл бұрын

I can see the sequel to Sully now… ‘Houston, we have a problem’ >4 hicks Out there with brooms ‘Go on get! Damn gators’

@F-Man

Жыл бұрын

The Shuttle Landing Facility at Kennedy Space Center often had to deal with wildlife on the runway - gators included!

@johnp139

Жыл бұрын

Like a hundred miles (away from KSC) will really matter.

@ronaldharris6569

Жыл бұрын

That is what the crocodiles are for they have the instincts for herding alligators like an Australian Shepard. All airports in Florida hire them

@classifiedad1

Жыл бұрын

A Soviet Cosmonaut had the lovely experience of landing in the middle of Siberia several days away from civilization in a half-functioning capsule and a hungry bear outside. Now cosmonauts are indeed armed for such occasions, except the weapon he had was a 9mm Makarov pistol, a small handgun with 8 shots firing a less powerful round than standard 9mm Parabellum. And 9mm Parabellum works against people, but not a bear five times bigger, stronger, considerably hungrier, and has things like claws and sharp teeth. Naturally he stayed inside and waited several days for rescuers in a helicopter, who had proper guns, to arrive. They were able to scare off the bear with rifle shots.

On the graphic around 2:55, the location for the Everglades is incorrect. It’s south of lake Okeechobee, not north of it

@bitterbuick

Жыл бұрын

I came to say the same. Video mentions Everglades then puts a map pin on freaking Orlando basically.

@jimdennis2451

Жыл бұрын

@@bitterbuick Which is a swamp of a different sort.

@mgriff39

Жыл бұрын

That pin is basically where Walt Disney World is…

02:47 that is not where the Everglades are. It’s MUCH further south

@gilonkravatsky458

Жыл бұрын

Yeah lol, off by 150 miles or so.

@paul9299

Жыл бұрын

Yup, caught that too, last time I checked the everglades are not in the Orlando area

@Luckyleol

Жыл бұрын

Well before urbanization, most of Florida was wetlands or the everglades. Which is technically a big slow river. But iirc that starts on lake Okeechobee.

hello there, I am a student pilot in miami. I have landed here plenty of times. this runway, while never being used for its original intention, is awesome these days. love the huge length that allows me to freely practice here.

There are a number of airports that have overbuilt runways that exist for weather situations, aircraft emergencies, and diversions. I had always heard that this was one of those. I had no idea that there was more planned.

I think you confused alligators and crocodiles. There are over a million gators in Florida (with an estimate 200,000 in the evergaldes) relative to maybe a few thousand crocodiles in the entire state. You also made a comment calling the everglades a jungle, it's actually considered a very large, slow moving river.

@koboldparty4708

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he meant to say “crocodilians?” He did correctly refer to them as alligators later.

@Luckyleol

Жыл бұрын

We do have crocs but those are footwear. Jk, lol. But yea our crocs are salt water crocs. So they are on the coast or the keys iirc.

@michaelcampbell6820

Жыл бұрын

He also showed 7 or 8 different airplanes when describing "Supersonic airplanes" but only 3 of them are actually capable of supersonic flight. Why let technical accuracy ruin a perfectly good story?

@j-train13

Жыл бұрын

@@Luckyleol there are actually a couple thousand crocs in the Everglades though, just not nearly as many as many as crocodiles (The Everglades actually being the only place in the world where both exist)

@ArtStoneUS

27 күн бұрын

80% of his videos should not be taken literally

I drive past this airport when heading to the west coast all the time, and it's truly in the middle of nowhere. Even with a monorail it's a good 40-45 minutes from Miami's city center.

@zacharytracy3797

Жыл бұрын

Wait that monorail ACTUALLY RUNS?

@DrumBum561

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharytracy3797 no, but the initial plans had wanted one. And even driving around 75 mph still takes about 40 minutes, but if you factor in the stops they would have inserted it would take longer.

@zacharytracy3797

Жыл бұрын

@@DrumBum561 ah got it. Thanks Spence.

Dade Collier Training and Transition (KTNT) had a period of time when it absolutely had flight per minute use. Following the familure of the domestic SST program, TNT found a new purpose as a training center for pilots transitioning to larger aircraft. Prior to the advent of modern full-motion flight simulators, pilots gained transition training in the actual aircraft on which they were transitioning, hence the airport's name. Historically done in the US southwest due to sparse population centers and hospitable flying weather year-round, TNT provided that for airlines based on the US East Coast as well as European and South American carriers.

I did my Commercial check ride at this airport. It's the best airport for practicing every maneuver. Nice to see you give it some attention.

Why is this a question? It’s obviously for people to drive their Alligators on

@trimeta

Жыл бұрын

South Florida already has an Alligator Alley. (That's the common name for the highway running through the Everglades.)

@syxepop

Жыл бұрын

@@trimeta - wonder if a large plane can land on US-27.... 🤔🤔🤔

I love this guy’s videos. You’ll forget whatever useful information he told you the next day but the way it’s presented it’s so entertaining I usually save to watch them when going to sleep or when pooping :)

Alligators-to-humans ratio is much higher than crocodiles-to-humans and the location of the airport is much further South than it looks to shown at 2:50.

@thokim84

Жыл бұрын

How about crocodilians?

@WITCEAS

Жыл бұрын

As a new resident of Florida, I can confirm that there isn't swamp right outside my door when I leave Tampa.

Love the video however, to add to the things we got wrong video at the end of the year, at 2:48 the Everglades are in south florida between Naples and Miami, not in orlando, where you show it on the graphic.

I knew this was KTNT before even opening it up! Learning to fly in south Florida, we flew in here a bunch for landing pratace and generalized flight training. Even saw a gator off of one of the taxiways there. Really cool to hear the true story why this strange massive runway popped up in the middle of the Everglades!

Has that airfield been used for....nefarious purposes, you know Miami has a history of....import and export

@bullzebub

Жыл бұрын

my first thought!

@chevychase3103

Жыл бұрын

You mean the monkey pox?

@blackopscw7913

Жыл бұрын

@@chevychase3103 Drugs...

@mistywolf312

Жыл бұрын

They tend to use boats and submarines for that in this area.

@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza

Жыл бұрын

@@chevychase3103 no cocaine and drugs, drug trafficking routes

I started out as a controller at TMB in 1975, when it was one of busiest GA airports in the US. TMB also staffed TNT on an "as needed basis" when the airlines at that time did not have sims to checkout pilots. We worked out of an old Air Force temporary tower about 30 feet up. It was fun working a pattern of 3 Eastern Air Lines baby 9's & TriStars and 4 National Air Lines DC10's & B727's doing T&G's and instrument approaches. No radar, no tape recorders, just "plane" fun.

I used to do some training out at this airport. My flight instructor and I flew there when I was 12 years old and we practiced landings. My father is an airline pilot, and when he got his first airline job for Caribbean Express in the 1980s, they flew around this airport giving trainings on how to land the plane and fly instrument approaches. My dad has still got an aerial photo of his plane on final approach for the runway. I, personally, believe this airport is the site of some current military activity. Last time I landed there, there were Army trucks on the apron.

This reminds me of the Mirabel airport in Montreal which was going to be Canadas largest airport and also had a monorail connecting to downtown Montreal

The location given at 2:50 is REALLY wrong. The video shows it almost up to Orlando while the actual airport is way down on the southern tip just west of Miami.

There is one guy at this airport who always asks for your tail number and he sounds like he hates his job. “ Dade- colliieeerrrr traffiicccc” is how he begins his transmission

2:49 I see the Everglades have been moved Orlando... that's news to this Floridian.

I flew into this quite a bit in FSX because I liked how big the airport was compared to most places in south Florida, I always thought huh this is just a big airport in the middle of nowhere and didn’t think anything of it

The sentiment behind this video is great, but so much of the information is flawed or misspoken. The Everglades are not a jungle. They are wetlands. Also, several of the graphics depict the Everglades being smack dab in the middle of Florida, around Lake okeechobee? I’ve lived in Florida the majority of my life, I’m not sure if you made these graphics or if somebody else did but they are horribly misinformed. Aside from all of that, awesome video!

Great video! Can’t wait for the follow up about how cinderblocks will fix it, or we’re used for it, or should’ve been used for it? Idk, I just know you been working on this cinderblock video for awhile now and it’s gonna be good

As a native Floridian, I can also remember the idea of building a canal across the central Florida area to facilitate shipping. It ran into the same environmental issues. There is a partially constructed bridge on 441 between Leesburg and Ocala that still stands today.

As a (mostly) human being raised in somewhere, I highly appreciate the increasing levels of sardonic humor in your infotainment videos. Keep it up.

i have heard the stories of sonic booms breaking glass and other fragile items but this was the first time i heard that they killed any animals. poor things, its not actually a surprise i can only imagine the terror they must have felt.

@2:49 your map showing the Everglades is a couple of hundred miles North of where it is. The Everglades starts under Lake Okeechobee.

My father went through flight school back in the late 60's and early 70's in south Florida and used to shot touch and go's on that runway right after they shut down the project. He told me about another abandoned WW2 field further south that was used as a bomber training base and was completely abandoned, not even a road able to access it, where he and his buddies would go out over and do some really crazy flying. One such time, about 6 of them got together one Sat because they were going to have a competition of who could do the most spins in a Cesena 150. They all flew out there, he and his room mate, who oddly enough was afraid of heights (he was crop duster pilot and wanted to expand his certs but would get nervous whenever they would climb above 500 feet), went up to 12,000 ft, the highest they could get to, and put it into a spin directly above the abandoned strip, he said he counted 18 before they started to pull out and when they got out of the spin, they were less than 150 feet above the ground. They both decided they were done for the day and flew back to the school. When they got out of the plane they notice the wings were bent in an upward angle by about 5 degrees.needless to say they had some explaining to do, they convinced the school director that they were caught in a downdraft further north and he believed it, the plane had to be written off by the ins company bc the wing spar and all the control rods were damaged and it would have cost more to fix than the plane had been worth brand new. Seeing as how the school had over 200 planes, it didn't interrupt operations at all. He had several other wild stories about flying in school, especially when his primary instructor woukd take him up, the instructor was an old WW2 8th AirForce B17 pilot with 62 missions plus another career as a TWA pilot.

now tbf I've heard of much dumber places to put an airport in. at least a swamp is guaranteed to be mostly flat. and the alligators are such convenient speedbumps, airlines would save billions on brakes!

I used to fish those lakes around the runway 20 years ago! A bit of a walk from where we had to park (gated) but extremely good fishing for bass and oscars. We did have to mind the many gators tho

2:50 The map pin there is pretty much near Orlando and the Everglades is almost 200 miles south. Good stuff though!

Let's not forget about the whole supersonic boom thing not just being a single boom, but continuous booms as it goes by..

In that particular location, you are more likely to encounter alligators than crocs. In either case, neither of the two species is naturally aggressive toward humans and attacks are quite rare.

Concise format is choice!

I remember when the Concord used to land at MIA… Everglades Airport? Private pilots can practice touch-and-gos or an emergency strip when needed…. Better yet, for drag racing Teslas!

I remember living under a daily Concorde flight path in the 90s. Even at subsonic, over land speeds, it sounded like a fighter jet crashing. It is hard to describe how loud it was

Not really a jungle, a swamp.

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

Technically, the everglades is not a swamp

Florida man builds a runway in the middle of a swamp

Turns out there still a important need for that landing strip. And it's remote location great for practicing as there almost no one to crash into.

The everglades have a crocodile population of roughly 2,000 and depending on what you consider the everglades a human population between 500-200,000, therefore, having a low crocodile-to-people ratio

When I saw the title, "There’s a Massive Runway in the Middle of Florida’s Swamplands", I though: "PABLO ESCOBAR!". It's Miami, it's Florida, draw your own conclusions.

Supersonic trans ocean travel would not bother many, if you hit that sound barrier 30,000’ over ocean waters, but the Concorde had its run, and I think was deemed just too expensive to be profitable. Or something like that. One thing I’d worry about on that Everglades runway would be to hit a gator on takeoff or landing!

@syxepop

Жыл бұрын

Actually, the last 5-7 years of Concorde were PROFITABLE for BA and AF (the TAXPAYERS of both countries were the ones to "RECEIVE THE BOOM") when they found how much to raise the rates to make it profitable.

@User31129

Жыл бұрын

The Concorde couldn't spread it's ridiculous fuel costs over 400 people like the 747 could. I think the Concorde max seating was like 180. They had to keep the cabin thin for minimizing heat creation while moving at 1,000 MPH. So cheap tickets on it were like $3,000 a seat, upwards to over $10,000 a seat I hear. More and more seats started going empty because people were like "screw that. I can travel at half the speed for a quarter of the price."

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

There are gators in literally every body of fresh water in Florida. We have several international airports in the state already, and gators have never been a problem. They wouldn't have been an issue at this airport either. You see, we Floridians have spent our entire lives around these lizards, and we really don't mind them. We'd simply move the big sonofagun, just like we do all the others. And if it is too big or ornery to move, we'll eat 'em. Trust me, the only people in Florida that worry about gators are tourists.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

@@syxepop if it was profitable, it wouldn't have been scrapped. The tickets were well over $1000 for a one way trip, the seats sucked, and there was really nothing to justify the cost. Most Concorde flights never sold out seating, meaning virtually every flight resulted in lost revenue. It was a gimmick that lost its appeal once you looked past the flashy "go-fast" coat of paint.

@flybyairplane3528

Жыл бұрын

@@User31129 hello, my brother &I left LONDON - DULLES ONE WAY, So that was so long ago, BEFORE they were allowed into JFK,THE SEATS WERE QUITE COMFORTABLE, AND FOOD WAS EXCELLENT,but you needed a cab to WASHINGTON NATIONAL, TO NEWARK, picked up my car from long time parking,,drove home, close to EWR, ,,,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Great vid! 👌 but also other than alligators the Miccosukee Tribe of Florida does also occupy that area of the Everglades. As do the Seminoles a little more north.

I never would have imagined a Skunk Ape reference in a Half As Interesting video.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

What about me?

Huh…I didn’t know the Everglades were all the way up there in Winter Haven instead of 300 miles south like I always thought it was. Guess all those crocodiles in Florida must be confused.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

Well, I'd be happy if they could bring Sanibel a little closer, too. Sometimes I really want to go to my beach house, but the drive from Orlando to Sanibel is a drag.

while yes the sonic booms were a problem, its sort of incorrect. Concord almost never flew supersonic over land and the actual sound that could be heard was not much louder than a conversation in a crowded area. most sonic boom complaints were on military aircraft as they trained over land more often. Simon Whistler talked about it on this Concord MegaProjects video

@I-Teee

Жыл бұрын

Likely correct, but I saw a Concord jet take off from London-Heathrow way back and that thing shook the glass exterior walls of the terminal. Some people ran for cover. It was wild.

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

@@I-Teee Yes it was EXTREMELY load on takeoff but that is not a sonic boom. That's just really load engines at full throttle.

@I-Teee

Жыл бұрын

@@wingracer1614 I know. You’re talking about breaking the sound barrier. This dude said the Concord was never “much louder than a conversation”. That’s completely wrong.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

Fact Boi did an amazing video on the Concorde! Simon's writing staff is easily one of the best on this platform.

When I was stationed at USCG AIRSTA Miami (99-03) we used to go there to practice dropping stuff out of the plane. We would land and leave one crew member (New Guy) on the ramp area, and the plane would take off and drop rescue gear to the infield. The call sign for the guy on the ground was Gator-Bait, they don’t mention that part beforehand it’s not until they take off and ask for comms check over the handheld radio. 😂

Dade Collier (KTNT) is nowadays a commonly used training airport for new pilots, I remember doing up to 4 touch and goes in a 172 lol. I wonder if this airport could make a comeback now that supersonic transports might be a thing once again.

Well, it could _have_ landed the Space Shuttle in an emergency -- past tense emphasized. The Space Shuttle program ended over a decade ago.

So, when someone says "I have some swamp land in Florida to sell", there are people with some serious money who fall for it?

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

Why do you think there are so many New Yorkers in South Florida? Ain't a single Floridian gonna pay a million dollars for a patch of sinkholes and quicksand.

@wertiaaudit5746

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't spend serious money on it but if it's cheap

I have a camp out by there, the conservation club I’m in helps cut and spray melaleuca trees in the airport and sometimes help the military with airdrop search practice and picking up paratroopers

The idea wasn't too bad. Speaking of Florida airports; the location of Miami Airport is very unfortunate since they want to build skyskrapers in downtown, which just so happens to be right in the flightpath.

Because FLORIDA.

@jiya6531

Жыл бұрын

LOL that is funny. BTW just checked your channel, subscribed.

The average Florida man would definitely make that airport into a hangout while the planes are landing and taking off

@christopherbazaka1564

Жыл бұрын

youre pretty much describing what the airport attendant actually does here all day lol

Most of those complaints about sonic booms came from the Oklahoma City tests in the 1960s - where they generated 8 sonic booms at lower altitudes every day for 6 months. The class action lawsuit that that created and the politics involved are why Concorde and super-sonic flight over land was killed.

@gladitsnotme

Жыл бұрын

Concorde was ended bc of unfounded safety concerns and lack of profit.

"concorde hitting the scene with backing from British and French companies". It was a state-funded though an agreement between the British and French governments. But you generally don't let facts get in your way of your flimsly research.

How does this man still find interesting plane-related topics to talk about

Related fun fact for most who think it's crazy to build an airport in the middle of the swamp.... In the late 1800's and early 1900's the plan was to drain all the everglades for farmland, urban development, and petroleum/resource extraction. Fortunately (due to WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII) this was only partially realized. From satellite images you can still see abandoned development sites and canals. Collier petroleum companies still own the mineral rights under several federal and state protected wilderness preserves and are actively drilling for oil and gas. Today, only 50 percent of the everglades remain.

The faster that you fly the more fuel you must burn just to compensate for the increased friction. Supersonic travel gives no free lunches. It gets vastly more exoensive getting there fast.

...why wouldn't you build one there? If there ever was a place to want to escape from by plane, this is it.

Chuck Yeager didn't have diddly to do with designing or constructing the X-1. He just flew it. (The design was stolen as well, but that's another story). I appreciate that it's hyperbole for storytelling purposes, but that kind of statement can, and does, get taken out of context and becomes 'internet fact'. And that is a bad thing.

00:34 300 seat Jets (showing an shorthaul aircraft)

Nobody tell Sam that commercial jets still go around 500 mph.

Why, when speaking of supersonic flights, does nobody ever point out the obvious in relation to airports? Namely that you slow down to well below Mach 1 for the landing phase. Having transatlantic supersonic flights from this airport wouldn't have involved any over land supersonic flights, therefore no sonic booms over residential areas. Mind you, the same could be said for Miami International Airport.

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

Very true but there is another problem, at least for Concorde. It was extremely effing LOUD on takeoff and landing despite being subsonic. It couldn't fly into a lot of airports just for that reason. So an airport near the coast but in the middle of nowhere kinda makes sense.

@ClarinoI

Жыл бұрын

@@wingracer1614 Concorde may have been loud, but so are most other jets. The engines in Concorde were Rolls Royce Olympus engines which were developed in the 1950s. Engines developed later are more powerful and far quieter. It's not beyond our current technology to have engines which are capable of powering a supersonic aircraft without causing significant noise pollution at ground level.

4:38 I love how Half as Interesting and Wendover Productions always like to tease each other in their videos. I'm starting to think Sam might have a fetish for auto-humiliation.

Ay Sam, it’s alligators in FL, Crocs are invasive.

@matthewwelsh294

Жыл бұрын

There is a native species, the American Crocodile

I found the Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport on Google Maps. Just 15 miles southeast of the airport is the AirJet Flight 592 Memorial.

I know this isn't the reason this project failed but why do futurists like monorails so much? The most obvious reason is that it looks cool to have rails in the skyline. On a more practical note, sometimes the obvious underground option doesn't work. But... can't you just make an elevated viaduct for a light rail if you want an above ground line?

@samiraperi467

Жыл бұрын

Some European cities apparently have elevated light rail.

@Decipher13

Жыл бұрын

Quite a few North American cities have elevated light rail as well.

@nunya___

Жыл бұрын

They've been around almost 100 years. Monorails are very quite and have a smoother ride but can't switch tracks as easily as traditional rail so, perfect for dedicated low speed loops.

@alex_zetsu

Жыл бұрын

@@samiraperi467 So from an empirical point of view, do elevated light rail or monorails work when you need to be above ground? I think a strong case can be made monorails don't offer much over viaducts unless you want to minimize noise. And to be honest, in a city your rails aren't even going to be the biggest source of noise anyways.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

Now, take a moment to think about those things called hurricanes, and ask that question again. I appreciate the thought, but as a Floridian, a flying boxcar is the last thing I want to add to the list of "Ways to Die in Florida". Thanks anyway!

Friendly reminder that a thumbnail with the sentence "This was a mistake" pointing to a runway in Florida is also a thumbnail with the sentence "This was a mistake" pointing to Florida.

@SkunkApe407

Жыл бұрын

The only mistake in Florida history was allowing non-Floridians to settle here. I'm sick and tired of hearing how things are done in New York and Michigan. If northern states are so much better, the borders are open, and we have two interstates aimed in that direction. I'd be so much happier if my beaches weren't packed with amorphous flesh blobs that smell like pastrami and suntan lotion.

My mom used to work near the Toronto airport when the Concorde would come through… she tells me stories about how they’d get notified ahead of time before takeoff and landing, as they were unable to hear their own phones, inside their office!

@marvindebot3264

Жыл бұрын

I only ever saw one once, the loudest takeoff I've ever heard but then I never got to see a Vulcan.

0:04 "10,500ft RUNWAY" as he shows a picture of Everglades airpark which is one of the shortest runways in Florida lol

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

I was saw a quite large plane land there once. Not sure exactly what it was but some sort of WWII vintage cargo plane looking thing. That poor pilot literally made a dozen attempts and wave offs before finally putting it down and just barely getting it stopped in time.

You can still remove the Runway and still the whole was a mistake

2:50 it ain’t the Everglades but Lakeland is a pretty close second 🤷🏼‍♀️

i watched this on nebula i love you sam the penguin man

2:50 The everglades are not located in Orlando.

2:38 the everglades, just like the rest of the US, does not naturally have crocodiles, it has alligators

@trimeta

Жыл бұрын

Actually, the Everglades does have crocodiles, in addition to alligators. In fact, it's the only place with both (or at least, both the American Alligator and the American Crocodile).

@BrilliantDesignOnline

Жыл бұрын

Science Tip: you can tell the difference between alligators and crocodiles by whether they see you later or after a while.

@wingracer1614

Жыл бұрын

@@trimeta Yes indeed though the crocs wouldn't be anywhere near the airport. That's freshwater that far inland. The crocs will be in the saltwater at the coast.