So anyways, nerf genji

@ghoullyy

Сағат бұрын

I think tanks need a pretty substantial buff as well

Thank you, my two favorite heroes in a wheel chair right now and they’re unfun to play

@michaelmassari39

21 күн бұрын

It's actually terrible and justifying their state with win rates is asinine imo

@karmasmessenger3815

19 күн бұрын

@@michaelmassari39 genji doesn’t deserve this treatment and hanzo doesn’t either but it’s ok, junkrat torb and venture can run all games in low rank, sad thing is when I die to a genji a widow or a hanzo i understand I deserved to die.

@lukeaustin4465

16 күн бұрын

I can still pop off with hanzo but it's definitely harder for sure.

@sebastiangalvan6794

4 күн бұрын

I know bro, it took me a while to get good at genji and now when I start a game and I’m wrecking them enemy team immediately counters

@karmasmessenger3815

4 күн бұрын

@@sebastiangalvan6794 facts

u knew you had a hit naming the video "the shit-madas"

Genji is one of the most honest characters in this broken game. There is no good reason or good excuse for him to be at the abysmal state he is in now comparatively to the vast majority of the hero-pool. The fact that they buffed NONE of the damage in his kit when they changed the HP in season9 says everything you need to know about the balance team. Dash did 50, when HP was still 200. HP is now 250 and dash still does only 50. Tell me, would it really be THAT insane to ask for 60 damage on dash? Oh they buffed Moira's damage btw. Why? Your fuckin guess is as good as mine my friend. Just buff the easiest characters to play in the game for no good reason and then leave high skill floor characters in the dust, likewise for no good reason. ("Buffed" melee is a moot point btw. Genji is not the sole beneficiary of this change, he needs to be in enemy melee range to melee the enemy himself. This is by no means a QoL+ for cyborg ninja man. Dont gaslight yourself into accepting crumbs and bare minimums that help him barely stay above dogshit as "oh well at least they did that!!")

@michaelmassari39

20 күн бұрын

Melee damage is comparable to dash damage and that is the greatest sin the balance team has committed to Genji since goats I'm convinced

@chkensammich

18 күн бұрын

blame crossplay, if you buffed genji any more (pre season 9) he would take over console lobbies a game's balance should not be the same across platforms but here we are

@cindrblok7948

17 күн бұрын

the reason why the buffed moira is because shes a support, support players whine the loudest and blizzard listens to volume rather than whats actually the problem.

@tau-5794

16 күн бұрын

Before S9: Dash+Melee=80 dmg, or a little more than a third of the dmg needed to kill a 225 hp hero After: Dash+Melee=90 dmg, or less than a third of the dmg needed to kill a 275 hp hero Heck, let's make this simpler. With healthpools of the 200 hp heroes going up by 25% and the damage of non aim intensive abilities also going up to keep breakpoints the same, wouldn't it make sense for dash+melee to also have +25% damage as a combo, or 100?

@lukeaustin4465

16 күн бұрын

​@@chkensammichtrue, not sure why they don't have separate patches for different platforms.

Thank you Lars from tekken for taking the time to express your thoughts on Overwatch

@michaelmassari39

16 күн бұрын

@@lamparo7028 Kazuya must die...

dw guys, they buffed hanzo dragons to be faster last patch so now hes 100% better than widow and the other hitscans. other the fact that this "buff" is literally just a nerf because it does nothing, its so sad to see the heroes that made me install overwatch in the first place literally being the bottom of the role, its also frustrating how they had no excuse to nerf the brothers at all.

@GAVIN760101

17 күн бұрын

It's even narrow his zone out cablebility

To be honest they could give Genji 30 damage per shuriken, 120 damage per blade swing and 60 damage on dash, and he still wouldn't be overpowered. The inconsistency of landing shurikens and the million ways you can deny blade's value makes the whole hero feel like a wet noodle anyway

@thebigzan

Күн бұрын

All that he would definitely skyrocket to s tier

Damn I didn't think a Mishima played Overwatch.... instant sub as a Lars Main 💪🏿

@michaelmassari39

19 күн бұрын

Lars/Kazuya player BoogardMG's my boy too check his channel out I'm in his Lars guide actually

Being a Genji/Hanzo player in OW2 is absolutely miserable right now they both feel so abysmal to play it's crazy to me both these characters have been left in this state for so long with no real changes

The problem with allowing Hanzo to one shot heroes like Genji would be that those heroes outside of that matchup would have the durability of wet paper elsewhere, the only possibly fair adjustment I could see is trading sheer HP for armor but even that might be situationally worse. As someone who plays both Genji and Hanzo frequently, Hanzo is very much a victim to 5v5 (less shields + less bulky targets = hanzo can shoot squishies more or just storm arrow HS the tank so people feel the one shot more often) and his problem mostly stems from the devs balancing him backwards. Hanzo would be perfectly fine if they nerfed the ever living hell out of storm arrow but let him have his one shot, that's what most of us want, or just scrapping storm arrow entirely for another utility arrow. But instead they're thinking of BUFFING storm arrow but still not letting him have his one shot. The nerfing of his projectile speed also ironically worsened the RNG effect because since it's slower it feels more random to hit for both the enemy and Hanzo. Genji on the other hand mostly just needs 28-29 damage shurikens and at LEAST 115 damage on blade (115 damage allows us to 2 swipe + dash 275hp targets while also giving us more leniency on 250hp heroes without bringing back the nanoblade combo they're scared to death about). There is absolutely no reason for Genji to have 27 damage shurikens which is the lowest he's had in OW history where every HP pool is larger than before.

@BuffGenji

17 күн бұрын

Def agree about the genji part, but I don’t think blizz is going to revert the one shot for hanzo on 250 heroes. They hate one shots for hanzo, even tho widow and hog both still have theirs for some reason. But the feeling of getting one shot by hanzo just is pretty bad, and the support player base was louder than the hanzos. Some possible ideas I have for him: let him keep arrow knocked after wall climb, increase projectile speed and reduce knocking speed, and then push him more into a utility identity with multiple arrows, 3 different arrows for utility (sonar, possibly anti and hinder, not so sure about the specifics) and then a damage slot (storm, scatter (used mostly to get kills on people you headshot and then clean up with a scatter quickly, not get kills on its own), and some other one)

The problem with these characters are doing fine stat wise, but they dont feel rewarding to play. On the other side if you are playing against these characters they can still feel very strong, Hanzo can delete tanks with the blink of an eye and that will win a teamfight instantly or genji can delete a support with the blink of an eye. They cant buff these characters because they are oppressive to other roles as they are, which is why they are still performing pretty good across the ranks (including gm). I have no idea how they should fix this rewarding feeling vs them becoming server admins, maybe a second tank could help them getting back their identity.

@tau-5794

16 күн бұрын

Bring back Hanzo's oneshot, or maybe remove all of his limiters (draw being reset on wall climb, draw slowing you down), then remove or rework storm arrows to something like an "EMP" arrow that only has very situational usage, like breaking barriers or doing more damage to overhealth, but has no extra dps and can't burst down tanks so easily.

I hate the "send arrows down a choke" like yeah, that can be said for a shit ton of DPS or even aim characters in general. You're eventually gonna get a kill or massive damage either way and it only makes up for (usually) a small percentage of the map. But if I can hit a headshot on smaller HP or other DPS characters from across the site or map, I think I deserve the kill, even closer as well. It's really not even a satisfying kill with storm arrow spam either. It's hard to hit shots with Hanzo so idk why people act like being one-shot across the site is 'lucky". Pretty sure they're just mad someone can aim with him. It still baffles me that people were salty over Hanzo one-shots on lesser HP characters or his damage output on characters in general. I can't really say much for Genji since I suck as him but some friends I had who mained him used to be annoyed as well. I imagine they'd be annoyed even more now. Moral of the story, don't let shit players override the actual flow and balance with bitching where there's no problem but only them. Or if you wanna counter Hanzo, just switch to more agro or annoying characters like Tracer, Sombra, Reaper, or even Genji ironically. Sorry for the rant but it's a good video man! Glad more people are pointing out the odd or bad decisions made to these two.

Thank you for making this video! Hope they can fix my favorite characters!

@michaelmassari39

21 күн бұрын

I hope so!

@GAVIN760101

17 күн бұрын

They can't, when they nerf his hanzo one shot not window I immediately give up this shit game. Now he is a hero with no identity and bad at everything.

Hanzo is just a storm arrow bot now that does nothing but shoot tank. Genji is way too reliant on his team to get anything done. You have to bait out all the support cooldowns to play because otherwise it’s impossible to kill them and god forbid you commit your dash because then you just die with no escape options. Cree DR and fan got gutted this patch for some reason so he’s literally just an M1 bot that can use his ult to get maybe one pick from someone with no CDs who is way way out of position. So all 3 of my top played characters are just insanely one dimensional and boring now and it’s sad. Blizz has completely tailored this game for casuals and it shows by them neglecting and ultimately killing OWL as well as them making the easiest heroes in the game the most broken.

@jarate5922

13 күн бұрын

Mcree is op

@RealNotASpy

13 күн бұрын

@@jarate5922 okay… still a 1 dimensional M1 bot

Genji main for life.

@user-cy6xl3vd3f

18 күн бұрын

Always 💪

@nuggetsan5577

17 күн бұрын

Forever

what i find funny is them saying "no more one shots" but widow still has it. widow will lose her identity if she doesnt one shot, thats what they did to my boy hanzo. man idk what theyre doing honestly man. dobt theyd buff his arrow by 5 damage so itll one shot again, theyll prob just bring health pools down lol

@michaelmassari39

16 күн бұрын

I don't think thats good faith since Widows whole identity is the one shot not that it's a well designed or even intuitive decision but with no one shot there is no Widow but there are ways to make a one shot less Hanzo work (i.e. only making it one shot specific matchups like they're intending on doing)

@frankmuller5071

16 күн бұрын

@@michaelmassari39 no yeah for sure, i probably didnt explain myself well. i just dont like oneshots in general but with theyre doing with hanzo is change his identity? tbh i dont know what it was before the nerfs lol

everything changed when the scatter arrow was replaced 😢

We need to make a counter meme movement called buff genji

i started to play OW2 in s9, and my theory is people were fine with nanoblade because you could counter it by for example: -mei shift -bap imor -support ults -or just solo ulting in general And if the player base didn’t complain about nano blade for the 6 years. I dont think it was a problem. They just didn’t care about genji during s9. They were too busy jerking off to kiriko and widow I main both of these characters and i alteady KNEW that the players who complained about hanzo were the trash new ones. And i am in gold(used to be in plat😭😭😭)

It’s so sad to see 2 of the most iconic and coolest characters be so bad and un fun to play. Hanzo and gengi animated short is literally what got me into the game at first

MADA MADA

I used to fucking love hanzo dude. They absolutely massacred him. I don’t know how annoying he might’ve been in the competitive side of things but at the end of the day he was really fun to play. If you ask me it all started when they removed scatter arrow, not bc hanzo couldn’t get one shot kills on the entire cast anymore, but because imo it marked the start of hanzo turning into an esports character (or at least getting out of the way for the esports characters) from just a fun character to play. I feel like if fun was still their goal then scatter would’ve gotten a minor rework at most, instead it got completely overhauled and removed. I reinstall overwatch every now and then out of sheer boredom and keep getting reminded whenever I try to play him like I did before how shit he is now. He can’t hold a point and he can’t support a team, neither of which are what he’s supposed to do, but it gets really sad when the dps character can’t kill at all. Flanking with hanzo used to be so fun, now he dies if you look at him funny and doesn’t have any damage to compensate. What a joke.

I miss when his sword actually damaged people

the funniest thing is, instead of buffing hanzo theyve decided to nerf genji by reducing his hp pool so that hanzo can 1 shot him again, how hard is it to just increase hanzos headshot multiplier

Yeah honestly I hope they give these two some love soon, especially Hanzo

Honestly I dont understand why they didnt keep scatter arrow and just made each consequtive hit on the same target to less damage.

Thank you for speaking on behalf of Hanzo mains. We've been shafted for the silliest of reasons.

As a Hanzo main, I endorse this message

It's sad because when you pop off as both characters, you're on top of the world. I know, as I have mained both in the past, but its so sad seeing them get brutally clobbered by even more unfun heroes.

Is it just me or you called Tracer Soldier a few times during the video.

Idek why people hate on nano blade so much. Yeah it’s a potential team wipe but it’s a 2 ult investment. Before season 11 soujourn could wipe your entire team with just 1 ult.

W video you should post more content like this :D

My idea to balance Hanzo is to rework him so that both hi elo sand low elo can use him , instead of storm arrow he should get a stance , he will switch from storm bow to sky shatterer bow . The sky shatterer will be a long bow this bow will take longer to reload and longer to charge the shot but it will be able to one shot many characters I think making it do 140 just so he can 1 shot 275 HP characters should be sufficient . In this stance he can use sonic arrow as usual and will get a new arrow in which enemies in direct LOS of the arrow (which will be a breakable ) will take 25% more damage, the arrow will only have 100 HP that ca be tuned down . Now back to storm bow in here Hanzo will get nerfed storm bow will only do 100 damage an arrow but he will have a faster reload and charge time so that his damage is more consistent and storm arrow will remain with 75 dmg a shot and 5 arrows . Leap will be retain on storm bow stance but lost on sky shatterer bow stance . There will be a 25 second CD between switching on either stance .My idea isn’t perfect and probably makes Hanzo busted but this gives people both the one shot potential and consistent dmg the numbers can be adjusted as necessary.

@michaelmassari39

21 күн бұрын

Interesting ideas! I think making his new E a quasi ult that can one shot is a cool idea, definitely a step away from his shield break spam playstyle

@MefoWho

20 күн бұрын

it was sad when i cant kill a teleporting reaper by timing the shot, then they just make it for every heroes. TBH i dont think you need to do that much rework, imo just let him charge abit longer for that 1shot.

@RealNotASpy

18 күн бұрын

@@michaelmassari39they should bare minimum make his sonar arrow do more damage so you can use it aggressively if you want for a one shot kill

@michaelmassari39

18 күн бұрын

@@RealNotASpy actually not a terrible idea cause then the RNG argument is invalid you have to be decisive and kind of know your shot will headshot otherwise you lose the uptime and prob don't get as much value out of the raw sonic effect

@RealNotASpy

18 күн бұрын

@@michaelmassari39 exactly. And the CD is so long anyways it’s still way worse than sojourns old railgun lol. It’s basically “I need to kill this guy NOW” so you’re using a long CD for the one shot potential

3/4 of the reason I want to play OW is to play the shimada bros, they are very unique characters whos playstyle isn't in other games. Making them boring removed my will to play entirely.

Great video! Subbed😁

this is a great argument as a lucio main, hanzo used to be my worst match up bc of tha one shot n storm arrow but now hes crazy easy n predictable

=former Genji 1 trick talking, old dragonblade was the most satisfying and skill base ult in the game. took me months to master the slash dash combo and figure it out. and a fat blade to win a fight had me and my buddies going bananas. the change to the damage is awful and was unnecessary. to hanzo mains idek what to say but im sorry

I would like to watch the video but with that quality i can only really listen

Even if genji is broken some random gold player can't just pick him up and win. Genji requires a lot of skin and game knowledge and in the right hands he can br broken

Genji is the reason I got into OW at all and I knew they were wrong ever since they reduced his DMG to 27 which made absolutely no sense and now I find it hard to find a reason to even play the game. If I can't have fun playing who I want then what's the point.

Like hanzo rn doesnt feel the same, sure the projectile is easy to hit, but what does it really give you? Its just makes one of his abilities (storm arrow) an insta-press in any close-mid range scenario and the rest being called "unbalanced" because of it, while he really isnt even that good. The whole hanzo is just the storm arrow now, and its the main reason why for example i switched my main. It doesnt even feel the same to hit that lucky headshot on a flying enemy, cuz it doesnt evem get rid of them anymore, making them even more of a hardcounter. Maybe i am whining cuz headshots dont one shot anymore, but if widow can just insta kill u with one click, why hanzo cant? Maybe just make his arrow damage at least 250 to the head (maybe 270? Idk what do you think) and make the projectile a bit smaller, just so it doesnt qualify as log anymore, it would make him more fun tbh.

I like the Danganronpa OST in the background as well

game takes no skill which is why i switched to league an actual hard game that rewards skill & outplay. whenever i lose in league i genuinely feel like i made a mistake and could have played better, whenever i lose in overwatch i don't feel like i'm getting outplayed when heals outheal damage and supports and tanks do just as much damage if not more than me as a genji one trick. they either need to buff the health of damage champs to balance that out or nerf the damage output that healers and tanks do. the game requires no brain to play at all

FIREEEEEEEE THATS MY BOYYY🔥🔥🔥

sojourn is still top pick as dps but iv noticed iv had more fun in the role as genji or learning how to play honzo to get all of those glorious times kills but now everyone thats not hit scan is dogshit worthless because why pick anything else but hit scan iv defaulted to cass to get Ws instead of playing a fun hero like junk rat or genji wheres every kill is earned randomly and takes actual skill instead of point and click adventures where it feels more handed to you not earned

A tekken and Overwatch Enjoyer? Gotta sub for that

This video looks awful on my 4k tv 😭

I love the vid, but why the flats hate?

@michaelmassari39

21 күн бұрын

Not entirely his fault I just think his viewerbase parrot the whole tank RPS narrative a bit too much and use it to justify them being bad on the role

@user-cy6xl3vd3f

18 күн бұрын

Flats himself is a good guy, but I swear I've seen some atrocious negative IQ takes in his chat

13:04 "bad rap"

Lowkey they need to rework more like how doom was in ow1. Give him more melee abilities to combo with. Feels way more in line with the character as opposed to someone who is throwing stars HOPING they hit more than 3/4ths the time and maybe swinging the sword occasionally, assuming he had an Ana lmao

Enjoyed the vid.

it's ironic.. people bitch about hanzo spamming logs and easy to hit.. and when shots arent being hit.. hanzo switch.. hanzo's aim takes some skill.. pisses me off that they took away the one shot and getting dove by moiras that i need two shots to kill

Edits wwas to was The downfall started when kiriko was introduced. Fuck the lore behind the characters I guess.

Whenever the Shimada brother suffer, I rejoy... MuAhhahWhaHahWhhah

Oh no man, please please PLEASE change it from Genji/Hanzo to Genji and Hanzo. I implore you, as a part of fandom culture, that it gives off a rather different impression.

@idontknow5038

16 күн бұрын

LMAOOOO i didnt even notice 💀💀💀

@bichitomax

15 күн бұрын

I don't get it

@fairlywren3664

15 күн бұрын

@@bichitomax So in fandoms, often in the fanart and fanfiction category, we use a / between two names to indicate a sexual or romantic relationship between those characters. So Genji/Hanzo implies a VERY unsavoury relationship between the two.

Great video kept it real with all opinions! in convinced a 4 yo could have done better job with this game than blizz. Ending is gold.

Lol Shit-madas 😂😂😂

update after patch nothing changed typical blizzard

The game is only ever good when the things that are hardest to play at a baseline are the strongest. It’s not even about pro meta, although they are also more fun to watch, but about how it feels for the average player. Bottom line is that balance never matters. What matters is perception. If the average player feels that there is a fair exchange between the effort needed to play something and how strong it is in game, they will have a good time. And over 2/3 of the playerbase will always be roughly in that average range. Which is why the creation of brig and other characters like her in an overt attempt to control top meta, at the clear expense of those average players, killed the game.

They made everyone special

are you that lars

Heh nice title

I enjoy playing genji, up until theres a beam hero on the enemy team, other than that hes fun (not saying hes at all viablr)

I LOVE THE VIDEO BUT THE MIC MY EARS

They keep buffing 0 skill heroes like mercy who do nothing but RUIN the game. The good old days of OW are long gone, they have killed it.

@nerdstorma8427

18 күн бұрын

The game is so decentralized from what it used to be and fights that actually take place within reasonable distances that prioritized the point. I'm in a similar place as a Reaper main, The balancing in this game is so atrocious that not even a third of the roster is viable. They keep adding and buffing BRAINDEAD Characters that are NOT designed for the game. Who get free value without engaging with the objective in this objective based game. Sojourn is such a hilariously insane example of power-creep that went unfixed for months. But she's NOT DESIGNED for PVP. You can't move of peek anywhere because there's so many snipers and you can't play proactively because plenty Characters have get out of jail free cards.

@nerdstorma8427

18 күн бұрын

The game is no longer for people with any sense of movement or urgency or anyone who wants to lock down a point and mobilize. It's for people who want to look over a corner and delete Characters a whole two maps away.

@tamooz6649

18 күн бұрын

When has Mercy been buffed recently lol

@sakareeh

18 күн бұрын

Bruh mercy is shit rn :P

@user-cy6xl3vd3f

18 күн бұрын

Mercy hasn't received any buff lately, you had more than 20 valid options and you somehow got the wrong one

Love genji, hate hanzo. Honestly love that he basically can’t be played simply because he is a gimmick widow alt. Also saying that aiming at the ground infront of the largest targets in the game and doing more than a pulse bombs worth of dmg with a 12-ish sec cooldown is crazy. Storm arrow at least forces you to know how to aim with the hero. Honestly just give storm arrow more up time and 2 or 3 extra shots and a shorter cool down on leap and i think hanzo will see more play time. Genji just needs a shrunken dmg up to like 28-29, and maybe a blade re-work.

Honestly I hate hanzo and I always have since the storm arrow changes. As a tank player nothing is more frustrating then having to completely rely on your own dps to kill the hanzo since he just shreds tanks and doesn’t have any weaknesses like reapers range you can exploit. Literally the worst case scenario is playing tank on a sniper map with double snipers who are better than my dps. I can’t support the with shields because hanzo does so much damage so quickly. I can’t close the distance because then they pick off the dps and leave me stranded. Thats why i quit overwatch

Tekken player cooking.

12:33 this clip right here is why I hate the game. Mercy gets free value out of being nearly unhittable in the sky and holding down her mouse. Blizzard is making characters too tanky and not adjusting damage to compensate for it.

13:20 fucking based 💀

Genji feel like a high skill low reward hero. Hanzo feels ok but still underpowered.

Venture is harder then genji

This video is a nice joke. Genji currently has the highest pickrate in GM/T500 and y'all wanna pretend he's this incapable hero that's always at the bottom of the roster. Maybe... maybe, you just don't know how to use him? Same goes for Hanzo, busted ass hero that needs reworks.

Bro thinks you have to lead ur arrows lmao you didn't Lead ur shots kn any of thoses clips 😂😂

This video screams "skill issue"

I know hanzo players hate the one shot change. But getting hacked by a sombra and needing to 2 shot with a headshot or THREE SHOT with all body shots is disgusting. At least let me 2 shot body shot squishy characters if you remove one shot headshot.

Overall the video is good but the way you say it sounds like a nervous kid giving a presentation but good video though

Being a genji main and accepting this games horrible balance decisions and deciding to stop playing overwatch is one of the most sad yet amazing feelings ever. Sad because he's one of the most fun and risky characters to get value on. Amazing because you will genuinely never regret your decision. Seriously, this character has never been decent to play ever since all the bullshit supports were added that grant players free value. If you've ever thought about quitting the game, do it. Honestly, just do it. Don't hold out hope for this character or anyone you may find fun unless they provide easy value.

100% agree with the take on Hanzo. Even back when he was good he has never been broken(post-scattter arrow) or really meta defining but I feel like many in the OW community gaslight themselves into believing he’s nothing but a RNG luck hero that takes no skill just because they have walked into a few random Hanzo arrows and deserves to be in the gutter. It’s sad that a character I’ve spent so many hours on is reduced to spam and every other character can just do it better. I’m praying whatever they have planned for him works out

genji is a good hero rn btw

@twenty4689

17 күн бұрын

“””””good”””””

The two coolest characters in the game get nerfed to nothing and the worst least skilled characters in the game get hyper buffed and have the entire meta revolve around them.

@michaelmassari39

16 күн бұрын

At least with Mauga there are skillful elements with him in higher levels of play i.e. playing against hard Sigma poke w lucio hybrid comps that just take you down to 200 hp before you can rotate... That being said Cardiac really needs to go or a full rework cause it's the only reason he's seeing any playtime it's unironically more cancer than Queen shout pre patch