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@arshnoorsran9191

28 күн бұрын

I haven’t seen the video yet (I will sit down later and watch the whole thing), but I already know what needs to be changed. Apologies if you already said this in the video. Genji relies on getting kills to weave in and out of combat. Harassing supports and off angle dps with his movement and burst potential. Now what happens when the character that relies on getting kills more than anyone else in the game faces supports that have invulnerabilities at a press of a button? What happens when when you put genji in a game where every hero and his mother has movement abilities to save himself from bad positions? You get the painful experience that is playing genji. Either remove abilities like suzu, lifegrip, and bap lamp, or give genji higher burst potential. Perhaps even his one shot combo back. I really don’t get how people can complain about one-shots so much but not one-saves (abilities like suzu that can save a person with a single button press). If you don’t want to get rid of invulnerabilities, then remove the amount of mobility in the game and stop adding mobility in newer characters. Genji will always feel bad if these 2 things are not addressed.

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

@@arshnoorsran9191 I purposefully didn't talk about these abilities too much because I alone just wanted to focus on his rise and fall but the more "interactions" based video will come sometime in the future.

@S3nCh4n

28 күн бұрын

would be cool to add more big deflect interactions... none of the new heroes have big skills/ultimates that can be deflected other than illari ultimate (unreliable since she can hold it) and soj rail maybe.. not being able to deflect sigma rock is kinda dumb too

@slade3361

28 күн бұрын

Personally if they gave him 29-30 shurikens, 140 blade, and a 6 sec dash, then I would be overjoyed. If people think thats OP its still less damage than pre season 9 because of health pools and other characters have more for less like sombra or moira with perma invis and 6 sec fade so I dont think its unfair at this point in the slightest.

@darkcat6530

28 күн бұрын

@@slade3361 bro genji is fine no need to give him so many buffs bruh

Fun fact: kriko head shot deals 120 damage

@BuffGenji

28 күн бұрын

I thought it dropped to 108 a few seasons ago, but they buffed the body shot damage, just so she couldn’t one shot combo tracer

@crack-man4071

28 күн бұрын

@@BuffGenji i searched it up and its 120 lol

@waterrr6332

28 күн бұрын

​@@crack-man4071It's not 120 anymore

@rockeater64

28 күн бұрын

112.5

@Niros11

28 күн бұрын

She does 112.5 tho

The weirdest part is that he is a really popular hero. If they did that to tracer, the other most popular dps, there would be war

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

Its because he's popular, thats their logic to ruining him.

@he.5865

17 күн бұрын

tracer is not popular, genji is popular bc hes easy

@filipesimoes1343

17 күн бұрын

And you are funny​@@he.5865

@user-cy6xl3vd3f

17 күн бұрын

​@@he.5865lmao you really made 2 points and none of them is true

@AbbyOW2

17 күн бұрын

@@he.5865 Bait used to be believable.

Abby doing video about my primary main becoming useless, and Samito doing video about my second main becoming useless What a day lmao

3:03 you did not have to do that to him😭

Thanks brother for this video you are the voice of all of us genji mains. This is the video I want blizzard to watch the most. God bless you brother.

I can relate to you - hanzo main

@yoku_UwU

28 күн бұрын

Now all that's left is to suddenly start hating kiriko and take away her headshot multiplier, and tp. And then we should really nerf her suzu. Then we will have successfully completed the shimada hate campaign... Who am I kidding, they actually like Kiri.

@Htiy

28 күн бұрын

@@yoku_UwU Lol I agree. Kiriko my like maybe 5-6th main And overwatch is sunshine and rainbows when you play her.. stuns, flanks, flyers, brawl, Literally none of that can bother you. Lol

@candy1049

28 күн бұрын

@@yoku_UwU Kiriko isn't a Shimada.

@yoku_UwU

28 күн бұрын

@@candy1049 oh wait, you’re right! nevermind, she’s safe from the nerf hammer

@crack-man4071

27 күн бұрын

@@candy1049 Nah mate you see, Blizzard is lazy, and they said to them selfs. HMMM genji is a fan favourite, let’s make a character that was never mentioned. The age does not make sense, they added a random ass fox, annoying voice acting but the most important thing is that shes attractive The concept is good, but they fumbled

Blizzard’s biggest problem with genji is nanoblade, has been for awhile. And while it is probably too strong, it still generates so much hype for the game with those speedy blades. But regardless, if blizzard wants to get rid of nanoblade, I can understand it. BUT, nanoblade held so much of genji’s value, so surely his neutral game and raw blade see some very strong buffs right? That didn’t happen, but here’s why I think would be a good state for genji: make genji’s blade no longer damage boost able (no mercy pocket or nano to change breakpoints), buff blade damage up to 140, so it can consistently kill 250 hp targets with 2 swings, 275 hp targets if they don’t get any healing and don’t use combat roll, heal from sym beam, LW’s dash heals, etc which pretty much all the 275 hp heroes have. That should put blade in a pretty good state. Then for his neutral, simply put shurikens up to 29 damage, that will bring back the combo on tracer, but it still won’t allow him to one shot combo 275 hp heroes, and won’t change the combo for 250 hp heroes, still 3 headshots dash and melee, but it should give him more consistent damage. Hopefully by doing this he won’t end up op at all, especially without nanoblade and the old dps passive, but will have a solid neutral and ultimate

@retro3856

28 күн бұрын

I hate that this has been something that’s a problem clearly it isn’t blade that’s the problem it’s dmg boosts. Genji shouldn’t be unplayable because another character is buffing him. I hated it in ow1 too they did the same thing genji would see so many nerfs because of nano blade or valk blade interactions which honestly sucks. He’s so RELIANT on supports pumping resource into him it removes any agency he has as a hero.

@BuffGenji

28 күн бұрын

@@retro3856for sure, but I doubt they’re going to be removing damage boosts altogether, so this is the best we can do

@retro3856

28 күн бұрын

@@BuffGenji just buff blade and genji as a whole and make dmg boosting irrelevant to blade it isn’t impossible

@BuffGenji

28 күн бұрын

@@retro3856exactly

@S3nCh4n

28 күн бұрын

reliable solution to nano blade used to be grav or shatter+charge but how you only have 1 tank and you dont want to use it to peel. you use tank ult to get trades. because the game has become deathmatch. i think genji absolutely should get rewarded for the nano blade because it's essentially 2 ultimates. the +50 to everyone's HP killed it.

Your English is great! I dont really remember any mistakes since ive been watching any of your videos. And definitely nothing that has prevented me from understanding you.

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

Thanks Yoku, I do my best!

i honestly believe that the dev team hate genji, he is the most interesting and fun hero to watch and play but they made him so bad with each hero they added and never compensate him for it

I do like the format of this video. An overview of the history of changes follow by some ideas on how to fix the hero could really be a nice format for a series and you could tackle other problems heroes like hanzo, sym, hog, etc

Yea a KZreadr known as Greed EU Spoke about this Very much It's sad Genji just doesn't do either and his design just isn't for 5v5

@joeschipper2593

27 күн бұрын

Honestly genji should be one of the biggest winners out of 5v5 but hes just so unbelievably useless because blizzard devs cant understand more ppl play genji than sym regardless of power level

@matheus_brunelli

26 күн бұрын

Genji actually fits 5v5. He was just nerfed while some others were buffed

It's been 7 years since Genji has had a Dash buff in which the skill's hitbox STRETCHES. If an Ana triggers sleep in the position that Genji started in, during the Dash, he is penalized. Meanwhile Cassidy rolls on the ground and reduces damage taken by 70%! A ninja turns into a RAY OF LIGHT and takes damage, now a normal guy rolls on the ground and has his damage taken reduced, in addition to recharging ALL his ammunition. Other than other characters who become invulnerable or intangible, without any punishment for their mobility abilities. Honestly, if Blizzard can't fix the bug, they MUST put a trade-off during the Dash: intangibility, damage reduction taken... whatever. It's not the player's fault for her incompetence, it's not fair for the character who is cool to be discarded like that... All characters gained a damage buff when their average HP went from 200 to 250, except Genji. Honestly, for Genji to fit into OW2 in a healthy way he needs: - Dash with reduced damage received or invulnerability DURING the use of the Skill to compensate for the bug. - Shurikens dealing 30 damage or Dash dealing 70 instead of 50 damage. - Blade deals 120 damage or no longer has damage variation. The Blade has a collision bug where sometimes, even with the cut making full impact, it causes 0~20 points of damage. I witnessed a Necros live once where he landed EIGHT CUTS straight on an Ashe and she survived them ALL. - So to resolve this, the blade should cause TOTAL damage even if grazed... It's an ultimate, from a 2 meter sword and MAGIC! Or ultra-tech, damn it! It's not an ordinary sword...

@artimist0315

23 күн бұрын

Personally I think that Ana being able to land a sleep dart during dash is fair, it implements counterplay in a matchup that is still very much genji favoured, and genji has deflect to use in the mindgame with her. The reason genji has always been seen as fair and well designed is because there has always been counterplay to what he does, even when he's strong, through good aim, healing, or some skillfull abilities. In general and though I'm myself a dive dps player, I've always been against the narrative that supports should be free targets for DPS heroes. DPS are still heavily favoured in most squishy duals in the game through having a lot of tools to dodge counterplay (deflect and cyber agility for genji, recall and blink for tracer, hack and translocator for sombra, flight for echo). Most importantly and what make DPS stand out from the other two roles is their ability to snowball and apply consistent pressure. When Ana gets an elimination on a genji, she used her sleep and maybe even her nade, and is now very vulnerable and powerless. She can get kills, but reactivity and after that she no longer has the ressources to snowball. When a genji gets a kill, he gets his dash back and is now in a very good position to kill another oponent in quick succession. In general, every DPS can get multiple kills in a row, and can do it out of nowhere. As much as people complain about Ana and Brig's ability to dual, they are static heroes and can't force LOS through mobility, and outside of their cool-down reliant comboes they have very long ttk.

@artimist0315

23 күн бұрын

However I'm actually in favour of applying both the damage buffs you mentioned. While Genji definitely benefits from the 250HP himself and the DPS passive, Genji's entire design is based around snowballing quickly going from one target to another in quick succession. For that he absolutely needs his time to kill remaining the same, and so to keep his breakpoints. Currently headshoting all 3 of his shurikens deals 161 damage which makes his one shot combo 251 damage, meaning that any instance of healing including Lucio and Brig passive completely deny the combo. Almost every single composition in competitive play use either Lucio or Brig aside from poke which uses Zen or Illari, both of them also having passively applied abilities that can heal you. Basically the existence of a main support makes Genji not able to one shot combo at all. And that's not mentioning brig, torb, cassidy and LW that are just immuned to it. Zen and Illari can also barely heal enough HP per second to allow both Mei and Reaper to survive a double triple headshot with shuriken (not that this interaction is relevant in comp but it's certainly in ranked). Finally Genji can't one shot tracer at all, with a triple shuriken headshot, as if it wasn't difficult enough to hit her. Comparing that to his pre-patch level, Genji used to be able to kill any squishy beside brig with Dash/triple headshot, and could also kill any non tank hero beside torb and Bastion with his one shot combo. He could also one shot tracer. Both could be easily prevented by any form of healing and the hero was still mediocre in the meta, but that was something. With a 30 damage/shuriken and a 70 damage dash, genji deals exactly 250 damage with a dash/driple headshot combo, and can kill any DPS beside Bastion, Mei and Reaper while comboing into melee. He can also one shot tracer with triple headshot. It basically brings him back to his pre-patch state, minus the ability to one shot mei and reaper. All of these interactions can still be prevented by Lucio song, inspire, Harmony orb, pylon or any other form of healing, and if they fail genji still needs to wait more than a second to primary fire again. I don't think it's fair to put his one shot combos in the same bucket as one shots. His one shot combo requires headshots with 3 projectiles at the same time and and a sequence of moves that can be interrupted by abilities or denied with healing. Genji's one shot combo is closer to impossible to react instances of damage, something most dps have even after the health buff. Furthermore needs to be up close to do it and needs to take riskier position than a roadhog for example. I think where this change may still cause problems is with the health increase, as genji now has more time after failing to combo to still finish the job. If practice shows that this is a problem, I think reducing his health back to 200 would be a good way to solve that issue while keeping his design and interactions intact. Genji is a ninja that already has multiple injuries inflicted upon him, I don't think him having below average health would be a stretch (btw I also think sombra should have her health lowered to be more punishable but that's another can of worm).

@listedcherry

21 күн бұрын

@@artimist0315I’m pretty sure they’re gonna to adjust the health pools of evasive Hero’s in the next patch or season. I just have to disagree with the last part though, decreasing genjis health to 200 is a little too harsh because he takes the most risk out of all the evasive characters, especially due to the fact he has to get right in front of their faces. I commonly get instantly deleted as genji at 250 so imagine 200. It’s not hard to headshot a genji right in front of your face, which usually instantly puts him at a disadvantage on top of being at his original health pool. Otherwise, I’d agree with everything you’ve said. Well thought out 👍.

@artimist0315

21 күн бұрын

@@listedcherry The 200 HP thing is only if he's too strong and it would just put him right back where he was pre patch.

@user-cy6xl3vd3f

17 күн бұрын

While I don't fully agree with the numbers changes you gave I wholeheartedly agree with your overall point. Blizzard gutted this character, never properly fixed his bugs and constantly favored other heroes. I'm personally in favor of increasing shuriken damage to 29 and blade damage to 120. I think adding a 70 damage dash would be busted, maybe they could try with 60. Lastly, I'm firmly against any type of immortality/intangibility in the game so I would prefer if the devs just fixed the bug/ coding of the ability so the hitbox no longer freaking extends while dashing 🤦‍♂️

Genji is by far the coolest hero in the game. Sad to see my boi being done dirty. Idk how I would feel about him getting reworked honestly. But if the where either give his dash the bleed effect or give him two dash cooldowns and just make the dash 25 dmg, and also instead of a making dash be available after every kill. Make it to were after every kill it gives him an accelerated cooldown on his dash. Honestly I feel he should be more mobile than a tracer at least because he’s a freaking cyber ninja !!! Like come on blizzard!

@teazbeatslab9729

27 күн бұрын

100% also a soldier can just run and genji cannot reach him. This make no sens. Same for his reload time, it's a freaking ninja wtf..

@llllIlllIllI

21 күн бұрын

if they make his melee do more damage thats enough for me to be happy

@firellio070

21 күн бұрын

"cyborg" ninja

@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286

13 күн бұрын

@@teazbeatslab9729 Soldier 76 is a super soldier. Both Genji and Soldier 76 are strong.

@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286

13 күн бұрын

@@teazbeatslab9729 Soldier 76 is a super soldier. Both Genji and Soldier 76 are strong.

Genji main here, they will never make genji as rewarding as it is risky to play him. Move on about it, that's the situation for YEARS now

@user-sx2on5bh7b

28 күн бұрын

Nah

@gwynbleidd8723

28 күн бұрын

@@user-sx2on5bh7b I mean it's literally copium believing otherwise

@crack-man4071

27 күн бұрын

I started to play ow2 in season 9, and i was shocked that supports used to complain about being flanked. You know, the job that few dps have. I swear these ow2 support mains would not stand playing medic in TF2. In that game you are rewarded for skill

@gwynbleidd8723

27 күн бұрын

@@crack-man4071 honestly the main issue as genji is having to play extremely close to PERFECTLY to have a mere impact against supports which all have immortality or some sort of absurd sustain and mobility. Bonus point for kiriko having one of the thinnest hitbox in the game, especially upper part of body and the best spells for sustain and mobility in the game and a very impactful ultimate. I mean her hitbox is so thin, even pro players tend to shoot at her legs than her upper body and for a long time she had a arm covering her head in her idle pose preventing her being headshot

@crack-man4071

27 күн бұрын

@@gwynbleidd8723 this really relevant, but shes meta in death match lol. Every time when she throws suzu i run away

I can see the work you put into this video. My hat is off to you, sir! Really would love to see a video in this format for my other favorite hero, Hanzo!

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

Feel like lots of other Hanzo content creators covered him pretty well tbh

Really well made video Abby definitely worth the wait, having a shuriken damage buff would already help Genji a ton (although I feel like his kit as a whole has to be tweaked to account the current character rooster of the game, and for the love of god, fix dash's hitbox size), I only know 2 Genji content creators that actually said something about the current state of genji, one of them was hiku. I feel like we should try to push this video to get blizzard's attention, maybe even get some bigger content creators to react to it, but who am I kidding, it's not like blizzard actually listens to their community. But hey, we can try

I saw a comment in one of Flat's videos that said "The only consistency in Overwatch is suffering". I don't think I could describe the game any better the way it is right now.

When you can play as genii to deal 110 dmg per swing in limited range ,why don’t play as sojourn to deal 195 headshot in long range and still shot projectile at same time?

@thegipper1215

28 күн бұрын

Souj can’t take off angles as aggressively and also is far more vulnerable to being ran over.

@ghoulbuster1

28 күн бұрын

Souljorn is just better that most other DPS even with the nerfs. Souljorn, phara and widow are the only viable picks unless you hard onetrick the others.

@thegipper1215

28 күн бұрын

@@ghoulbuster1 bro said Pharah and Widow

@partypha

27 күн бұрын

noooo, why would I play a boring ass call of duty character who is just a better soldier when I can play a fun, satisfying, badass, and cool hero that is a cyborg ninja who needs more skill to play then a hero who just aims and shots. that also goes for phara and widow.

@meeeeeedic

27 күн бұрын

@@partypha fun and satisfying. The problems is genji’s status too low compared tracer and sojourn.

U and samito did the ult combo lol with the double genji rant video releases.

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

He did hanzo but yeah it was hilarious!

@Akoththejudge

27 күн бұрын

@@AbbyOW2 oop mb i meant to say shimada brothers was a bit tired when i commented

You and Samito releasing videos about how each of the shimada brothers have been done dirty on the same day? Awesome, these two are in desperate need of buffs. I would make genji's double jump less clunky, and increase his double jump height and distance. I played Team Fortress 2, and the Scout's double jump felt more smooth and higher than genji's. Give him the bleed passive for when he does his melee or swift strike just like in the beta.

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

I know he adores hanzo and i love genji, i think its just a funny coincedence we did it at the same time haha

Genji didn't lose his identity, his identity has always been being bad, and blizzard is adamant on keeping it like that.

@crack-man4071

27 күн бұрын

They chose to buff echo over him lmao😂

@partypha

27 күн бұрын

no, what are you talking about you clearly don't know anything about the hero gameplay or you're just one of those overwatch players that plays cheese characters and then call you're self good when you kill a character that actually need skill to play well.

@crack-man4071

27 күн бұрын

@@partypha ?

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

REAL

@kpkazan

26 күн бұрын

​@crack-man4071 dupe was kinda mid depending who was on the enemy team, like I get buffing an already good hero is stupid but it was a QoL buff to stop her ult being a second life most of the time and more playmaking

He was one of the first heroes I played when I first picked up overwatch and it's sad to see how he is nowadays and would love to see buffs for him. Excellent video Abby, been following for a bit and really happy you got that shoutout. Much deserved 👍

Idk why blizzard just has a boner for making heros that require a lot of skill just trash. Their design philosophy is just completely backwards. Heros like genji, ball, or doomfist that are really hard to get good value from are constantly getting the shaft so they just arnt worth learning for new players. While heros like moira, bap, kiriko, or junkrat keep getting buffs or just slaps on the wrist. Like kiriko literally has no weaknesses unlike genji which has tons, yet the biggest nerf she got was a 2 second cooldown increase to suzu.

@Crispy_DAWG

27 күн бұрын

The new dev team has trash ideas regarding what is fun and balanced. It’s why i stopped playing after they ruined my main Genji.

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

Their philosophy is bring down certain high skill power heroes down in power and then buff up low skill hero up to that level to try and create an 'even' playing field.

@voidfields5065

27 күн бұрын

Ball deserves to be bad

@pikazilla6405

27 күн бұрын

I would disagree that junkrat is a low skill character, his floor is pretty low but he has a lot of play making potential that most players simply aren't aware of or don't even bother with. Junkrats with the confidence to mine jump to duel pharras and echos are simply built different but it's far easier to spam from safety and eventually everyone convinced themselves that's all he can do.

@KOL0125

26 күн бұрын

Yeh moira is up there lol, it’s crazy that a hero with lowest skill floor can get that much value.

*Shuriken damage* increased from 27 ---> 29 *Secondary fire* spread increased from 9 ---> 12. *Shuriken hitbox* reduced from 0.175m ---> 0.15m or 0.125m Essentially, raise the skill floor for landing all 3 shurikens and doing his combos consistently, but increase the impact of his skill ceiling.

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

Perfect!

@crack-man4071

27 күн бұрын

They gotta buff my dragon blade 😭😭

@JayJeeJay

27 күн бұрын

I dont know, increasing the spread and reducing the hitbox combined seems too much as a trade-off--maybe if spread was from 9->10/11. Praying for that 29 dmg shuriken though 🙏🙏

@SpiritedFalcon

27 күн бұрын

@@JayJeeJay original Genji had a 0.1m shuriken hitbox with 12 degrees spread.

@Artseltzer

26 күн бұрын

I was thinking of higher melee damage to compensate for the new HP pool, but this sounds better.

Not having two tanks has indirectly nerfed Genji. With two tanks you needed someone to attack the back line and escape with a kill, since there was so much mitigation. Now with a Tank gone you don't need to go into the back line to get kills as there is one less tank to mitigate damage. That's why Widow has gotten stronger and other hitscans like Sojurn have been better since OW2 regardless of buffs and nerfs. Having another tank would actually help the DPS as they'd have to have skill and teamwork to get in and out.

Keep doin what you’re doin, brother. Your English is perfect and your enthusiasm for the game comes through

If you ask me, I think 28 dmg shurikens like you said and buff up his blade to 130-140 dmg, while also remove blades ability to be damage boosted, it makes nanoblade a lot weaker and makes it more dependent on the player on how they execute blade rather than hoping your supports buff up your ult. 28 damage shurikens are the bare minimum he needs in order to actually live out his hero fantasy, lets him combo more effectively and makes the characters more engaging when he has enough damage to actually get a dash reset. I’ve lost all faith in the balance team throughout ow2 tho (esp given that they refuse to acknowledge the format discussion happening) so my guess is that they’re gonna try to fix the problem in the worst way possible again.

idk about all these identity videos but i can assure you kiriko IS the LITERAL embodiment of ""my overwatch oc dont steal" -easy to play/get into -CRAZY good kit -pretty -waifu -colored hair -non logical chronologic connections with 2 super popular characters (genji and hanzo) -quirky -literally never gets a nerf that pushes away from the spotlight oh i forgot to add -a support

great vid man!

Blizzard needs to fix their balancing logic. I know you said it in the video; but a popular hero doesn’t make them good. Genji is a hero, who no other hero has a similar identity. He is by far the most fun hero I’ve ever played, and I have given up on him. I don’t think anyone tries to represent the Genji community like Skiesti with mercy, because we ALWAYS get immediately shut down, and told to shut up. It blows my mind how a hero can take such an immense amount of time, skill, to even get to half of the heroes potential, and them still be weak at their full potential. I really do wish they’d do something to help him; but I don’t see it happening any time soon

Really good video, very informative. My duo who is a Genji main always complain about the state of the character but I never thought it had so many layers. As a Mercy main I kinda understand how it feels having the popular hero treatment, hope this creates some noise in the devs in both the writing team and the balance team.

@AbbyOW2

14 күн бұрын

Trying my best to do Mercy justice too if I can get the time for her!

Genji was the reason i even got into overwatch I spent most of time learning and playing this hero. To see him get so gutted hurts cause I want to play him more and more I havent found a game that can give me the same feeling as Genji I hope he gets something to bring him back to that useful state.

this hero has been hit in every way possible worst damage numbers ever while everyone having a bigger health pools which hurt him a lot with the resets but the devs couldnt give the slightest damn to even buff him the slighest so he will become mid minus... they just dont care the biggest hit for me is that genji was the one to focus on the targets he got advantage against or if they got their defenses down for example ow1 zen, ana after she used her cooldowns etc... in ow2 no one have their defenses down ever, every meta/pickable hero got the most insane options possible to survive, the lowest cd's and the craziest mobility and Genji was a risky hero already so before going for those big plays and inasne picks was tough but now its just stupid you cant do that big play by yourself no more you just follow your team like a hoping to get the smallest chances for some kills there are so many example its just TOO MUCH to type I am sure most Genji players are already aware of most of them and I am also sure that even if they did buff him (what a dumb idea am I right?😏) it wont be the same experience as it used to be and it probably wont ever be

another Genji main through and through here till i die. The best way I've heard playing genji be described is: "You guys are playing overwatch, I'm playing dark souls." Play perfectly, get pocketed, or die, there is no in-between.

Great video! He really needs something thanks for spreading the word

if they maybe give his shuriken a very minimal bleed effect, that could really boost his effectiveness but not lower the skill ceiling. Sure it's kind of junker queen's thing, but I think it works with his character.

@AbbyOW2

26 күн бұрын

He had bleed on dash in OW1 beta!

I completely agree with all the points you made in this video. Genji is also my favorite character in this game, and it is saddening to see him in his current state. I sincerely hope that your video reaches Blizzard, and they finally address the problems he has.( English is not my first lenguage so i apologize in advance, good video keep it up!)

Fantastic video!

I feel like genji has so many counter picks rn , use blade=suzu,dash=hard focus,breathe=death

also i will be making a video as well on this kind of thing and i will most definitely mention your channel and this video for sure, im not a big channel but u are definitely a good source for getting genjis name out there

Your English is great man, don't even worry about it

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

thanks boss!

Sigh, as a certified Genji hater I have to agree that he needs help. Hot Take: Though he takes skill to play, I think most people see him as the DPS equivalent of Moira in metal ranks. At least in terms of feeling oppressed. That being said, he's been hurting for a long time now. To start, buff Blade damage enough to secure kills in the new health pools. Shiruken going back up to 29 is fine IF you slightly nerf the attack speed or recovery. Which ever that would correlate to him building Blade quicker. Again, slight nerf just to see the frequency of Blade built under an average player. Him having agency to secure his own kills/cleanups more reliably is the goal. While having Blade being rewarded again. Good video Abby.

@avadanocum6495

28 күн бұрын

Most casuals hate jenji bc of his one shot combos And it is exaggerated by duoing with mercy smurfs, when i play with my gold dps friends( i am tank) i cant do anything to stop him, and he can just oneshot them with shift+rmb in the head If we lower his highest dmg but up his lowest(rework rmb) Also f sombra remove her

@retro3856

28 күн бұрын

The reason why genji gatekeeping metal ranks is their lack of skill and knowledge. Once you realize how easy it is to shoot him and how weak he is without deflect you just win every engagement. That and the movement in the lower ranks isn’t good so hitting shurikens isn’t hard. Thing is every hero is meta in metal ranks so it’s kinda of irrelevant take imo.

@retro3856

28 күн бұрын

@@avadanocum6495as a tank play DVa or winston and just look at him

@connor.chan.jazzman

28 күн бұрын

​@retro3856 Yeah, that and Genji also mainly finishes people off or punishes people who are out of position. In the case of metal ranks, almost everyone is constantly out of position, is less skilled with. movement for escape, or aim to track him down. In higher ranks he cannot go in unless he has his tank dive the backline usually

this was a cool vid i really like your commentary on the current state of the game

High quality and well constructed video ! As a non native speaker I think your English is great :) here are my thoughts upon buffing and fixing Genji : -increase shuriken damage from 27 to 29 •dragon blade : -increase the damage from 110 to 120. -probably reduce the cost by like 10% -if the devs want to lean into 3 swings necessary instead of 2 to kill a squishy, speed up the swing rate even more or make it so Genji delivers 3 quick swings combos before recovery time. - option 2 : if the devs wanna get rid of nanoblade, do as another comment said. Make so blade cannot be damage boosted and increase base damage to 140 per swing. •dash : -fix the camera bug -fix the hitbox bug / make it so the hitbox no longer gets extended during use. There is such a big potential for Genji changes and one can find so many crazy ideas such as giving him a second dash, or making so dragon blade gives him a second dash charge. We could improve his wall climb too by increasing the max duration, the number of areas where he can climb, fixing the randomness of the ability, adding back the double jump reset after wall climbing (!) or even bringing back a tuned down version of the old edge boost...so many things that we can do with this amazing character. We just want to be heard !

Genji was the reason why i got overwatch bcs i like cyborgs and robots and its sad to see him end up like this…. Im absolutely believing that these new overwatch devs dont actually do anything at the studio to make great changes.

genji is a ninja, his thing is to be able to take duels, win them fast and either leave or go to a next target, so some buffs that could make him to that again would be -30 damage shuriken -less spread on the secondary fire -120 damage blade (or even 130 tbh) -fixing the dash bugs and the hitbox, or giving him damage reduction or invulnerability during the dash -ik it sounds bad but fix flappymaxxing(that one bug where you could attach to the same wall over and over by putting jump on scroll wheel) and making it an actual tech, or something that works like that the shuriken damage and spread are so you can kills things more consistently, especially through heals the balde buff is 120 so in nanoblade the old slash dash combo works again and 130 for raw blade to two tap and the wall climb bug being a feature is more so you can play on long maps (like havana) and tbh for genji to have this ability to drop in someones head, kill them and get away but that one its not completely necessary

Honestly I feel like the best thing to do is to just make it to where genji will have an automatic deflect every time he slashes with his ult. That and also his deflect should do damage when up close to an enemy since he's literally slicing with his short sword

Finally some right words, im OTP Genji since OW release, played nonstop, got 3 acc perma for flaming at afks/trolls in rank. The hero feels the worst since OW2 launch. Before ow2 I was lurking around 3800 SR wich was high master I belive, now I struggle even in diamond. The immortalitiles, the crazy healing, hero tankiness, movility to escape genji.. all these new aditions made the hero feel like shit. Playing Genji rn feels misserable and IDK why I force myself into it sinceI can go into Tracer/Samba for easy gameplay and better results..fuck

I used to play OW back on console PS4 and I played genji on there back then felt like genji could easily duel any roster, coming back to ow2 on pc, picking up genji, I struggle dueling because of my lack of damage, he definitely needs some buffs.

He didn't lose his identity; his identity lost its place in Overwatch.

I think what annoys me is how skill based he is despite how fun he is and when you finally do good as him a random support starts draining his life and now he it goes from hard to unfair

@Radio_cult

20 күн бұрын

You know whom I refer too

It is insane what they made to our boy, even players like Necros who has 10.000 hours on Genji started to play other heroes. I started a break from the game, because being a Genji OTP in this game feels like being slapped on your butt with a burning whip. I hope something will change in the future but I doubt it. He is been played a lot in the OWCS right now, that does not mean that he became a good character, he is good for certain comps, that's it, but because he is a pick in the top tier OWCS teams, he won't get any buffs soon, because Blizzard thinks he is in an good state right now. Very good Video, I enjoyed watching it and 100% agree with everything.

If Genji gets properly balanced, we, that are hardcore Genji mains and are used to keep playing against all the play denying and counters in this game, will become lobby destroyers if the hero gets good. We are obligated to play 101% perfect with perfect aim, perfect timing, decision making to not get killed. All of that for only maybe, kill one enemy.

@it0myun

28 күн бұрын

I agree fully, pay every step precisely only to get a few of them low or get like one kill 😔

this video was super necessary, good job dude, let's hope blizz give us a feedback 🙏

They first need to fix all the bugs with him, the dash bug, reflect not working right, etc. But a buff I can think of is speeding up the projectile speed of the primary & less spread on secondary

For a guy learning English your pronunciation and grammar is phenomenal and easy to understand

It would be cool to see a buff to his melee damage! Now that venture has a different melee, applying it to other characters would make sense.

I feel like there could've been a line for Mei "How does the cold feel now, Mei?"

I dont get the feeling genji is as bad as the playerbase imposes, but it is disappointing that hes never above the botty dps. I think a good buff for genji is just that deflect shouldnt be penetrated by beam type weapons. It is a really poor polarity switch in his gameplay, because someone 'didnt have that gun' deletes one of his abilities. I would extend this really to all beam type characteristics, with conpensation buffs/nerfs. Also @Abbyow . I think an important part of calling something a buff/nerf is really owning it; "The faster blade swing is a nerf. I *would* prefer the old version" "These shurikens feel smaller, and im comfortable taking the bet on Id prefer the old size" Im not saying you, i just think this would be a good tool for the ow playerbase to disable players from hedging their bets on potentially empty claims. It often seems like players are trying to sneak in "oh, the characters still weak, we need more" when this occurs.

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

Can you restructure your point, I didn't understand it the best here sorry?

Hiku is planning to make a rant video on reasons why not to play Genji if he doesn't get buffs start of next season. Hopefully that video does something but at the same time, there are people who think Genji is op like this one GM dude was whining on Twitter about him and others like Flats thinks he's a solid B tier, doesn't need much buffs, season is just not for him (which has been mostly every season for the past years)

@retro3856

28 күн бұрын

I hate flats specifically for this. His tier lists are mid. Putting genji in the middle of the pack is comical he is actually genuinely hot garbage and people swear that he is so good because he’s being played still “popularity doesn’t equal strength all the time”. And then the devs GASLIGHTING the playerbase constantly with we think he’s fine like no he isn’t you don’t even play your own game.

@S3nCh4n

28 күн бұрын

@@retro3856 his tier list is for metal ranks i bet

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

Yeah I am aware he spoke about wanting to make a rant vid on Genji but i've had this one in the works for a while now with a new editor and trying to involve members more in the process as well .

genji lost his identify mf overwatch lost its identify!

Genji isn't the only character either. Genji, Symmetra and (to some extent) Sombra all feel like they lack identity with Symmetra having it worst.

Yes bro thank you for this, only you and Hiku are speaking up

I really want Genji to be more of a close quarters menace, at this point I really wish they'd experiment bringing his old "Meele Dash" cancel and maybe even buffing said Melee dmg. Granted he's already a pain in the ass when he gets close, so buffing melee dmg may be overkill, but I really don't think giving back his melee cancel would be that insane at this point

Your English was pretty damn good in this video in my opinion. Keep up the quality videos 👍

the fact kiriko headshot is more damage than a swing from blade

The 50 damage dash for genji is just pitiful like 10 more damage than a melee does nothing i want his gameplay to change not his ultimate his ultimate is bad but if everything is hell until you get the ultimate then i don’t think thats any better i just think buffing his burst ability by buffing the dash in any damaging way is great

Glad someone is finally talking about this. Genji has been slammed patch after patch, and the fact that Genji mains don’t speak out because they know better is quite irritating. It’s about time we spoke out about our frustrations with the character. Good on you man.

W video man. btw ur english is great!

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

Thanks boss!

Great video man

I feel like his dueling potencial is supposed to be lower than the other flankers, He's one of the few Heroes that got a reset on kill, and all his skills can effectively hit all the enemy team, but that just goes out the window when Overwatch 2 is such a solo game, the fantasy Genji had of being a one-man menace because of his team wiping capabilities is still there, but now he depends way too much of the others in his team to wittle down so he just goes to finish them off and solo DB rn is just pain, its basically a "lemme ult to pop the healers cd's" and thats it It also really doesn't help that the current dps passive rewards constant dps to apply it, or coordination so the whole team focuses down a target with him, cuz without that, the team with Genji always looses the attrition war(as they should) With all that heing said, I feel like he's more of a brawler now, but his only real "brawl" potencial is using reflect to cover for the tanks cooldowns for a brief window, and finishing off people that the team is going in, its weird but I can see where they are going, even though I don't like it.

I am a total Junker Queen one trick, but even just SEEING Genji's in matches always looks painful to watch.

Totally agree with you, genjio has been and will be my main and I've been maining him since season 1 so I've been there in the good and the bad, I belief that the devs don't know when to recognize skill and OP character, when they buff him, really good players dominate with him BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD AT THE GAME and the CHARACTER HAS VERY GOOD ABILITIES TO GO AGAINST MOST OF THE HERO ROSTER and blizzard thinks that because he is doing good he is OP and nerfs him there is a limit of TAKING NO SKILL AND DOMINATE AND BEING REALLY GOOD AND DOMINATE, at least that's my POV THNX FOR BEING THE VOICE OF US GENJI MAINS, WE'VE BEEN LET DOWN COUNTLESS AND COUNTLESS TIMES

great vid man , would u consider coaching me on genji since u seem so good on him. i started ow2 and cant go above diamond 5

Well if Genji was meta people would be complaining that a Hero can now dash in, get a kill, find another target dash in get a kill find another target dash in and get a kill. Lethality and Elusively on 1 character is a dangerous thing to make meta so I can understand some of their apprehension. Instead of more power, we first need to push for more consistency, which could end up being an indirect buff to the character. Personally, I'd tighten the spread on shuriken fan. Then let him store 2 dashes, while restricting the dash reset passive to his Ult. I'd take steps to ensure dash + swing + swing killed, or make it take 3 swings. This would give us a version of Genji that could reveal what a consistent Genji gameplay loop can do at all levels

genji requires so much skillful execution to be effective but it can all be instantly negated by a lw using one autolocking primary heal or a kiriko pressing "e" or whatever button cleanse is

I rly hope they will buff him 😢

we live in world where genji’s ultimate is basically rein’s hammer for 6 seconds

He's always been annoying, and continues to be annoying, so at least that identity is intact.

When it come to Winston cass genji Hanzo they were ruined in 5v5 they get way less value

@koko00083

26 күн бұрын

Cass is pretty strong rn

@kpkazan

26 күн бұрын

​@koko00083 Because he can 2 tap to the head, as soon as they change his damage in any way for the worse he's dogwater again

@astral9807

24 күн бұрын

@@kpkazan also because hes tanky asf and has hinder. all on top of the fact hes hs and can two tap

The move to 5v5 has ironically been a massive nerf for flanker dps in general, more space on the map means hit scans have easier access to value, the loss of the off tank meant that supports had to be stronger otherwise they would get completely run over and now the skill required to duel a support on something like a genji or tracer doesn't nearly equal the skill required to sit up on high ground as soldier and rain hell fire from above. When I say tracer, I'm talking about pre dps passive and global self healing, those passives (global/role passives are stupid) had a really big effect on tracer and had no effect on other heroes (which is why they're stupid). But I was just thinking whilst watching this video, ults were actually scary in overwatch 1. You would track ults like blade and grav, if your zen wasted his ult then it was gg for the next fight. Now someone pressed Q and it just feels like a little bit of extra pressure, back up a bit and wait out the ult. If you are already backing up then it can probably get a kill, but ults are space makers now it's mental. When Genji used to blade ana would shoot a sleep at him and if that was deflected (yes you could actually interact with the abilities that were used to fuck you over) or missed then fuck... gg if he plays his blade right he's getting 3 or 4. You would save ults like trans and beat just to retaliate to big ults whereas now a genji blades, jumps onto someone, slashes, they immortality fielded, which takes like 2 swings to break, by that point they're full health again, suzu comes in, which heals like 80 or something like that, so it takes another swing, ult is over and you might have killed one squishy if in that amount of time you hadn't just died. That's a universal shift in the way that overwatch plays though, near enough all ults are incredibly weak compared to what they used to be, not because they themselves are worse, they're better in most cases, but just because the normal abilities on most character's kits are so much stronger.

The fact that this video had to be done is insane

Good to know the only only genii can reflect the ults from Hanzo, Mei, and Zarya and no one else

I loved genji since 2016. Ow became my favorite game by far because of him. I recently put in soo much time and effort to get really good at him, to the point to actually play against and keep up with necros, but I now have a love hate relationship with him. As genji you have to put in 120% effort at all times to be somewhat useful and at the same time he still has so many bugs making him one of the worst characters in regards to stupid deaths. Genji is what keeps me playing ow but at the same time I actually get sad everytime I do play because of the way they slaughtered my boy...and we can't forget about the "nerf genji" meme THE most popular ow meme everyone writes into every comment section, which means the possibility of him actually getting the service he deserves is basically 0

Wow your english is really good Abby! Genji and tracer are the characters that got me into OW and it has sad how far genji has fallen. Blade is such a bad ult now. 😂

You know what really ruined me as a genji main was realizing that i get more value with blade if i just stand close to the enemy and use blade for "burst" damage on something tanky than going for a "big blade". I still try out of habit, i know i wont get it but its always fun to see if itll happen this time lol

I've been trying to tell people for months that Genji has been a C tier hero riding the waves of everyone else's buff/nerfs since s3. Genji is so unbalanced that on tier lists he can jump anywhere from A (occasionally S tier) all the way down to D tier despite no direct changes. Tracer, for example, is such a well designed character that she's basically always just as good unless you directly nerf her. Genji might even need a slight rework. Dont get me wrong I love his design as is, but he needs something to make him stand on his own. Ideas for buffs I've had: Buff Shuriken damage to 29 or 28. Buff Swift Strike damage during Ult to 65 (always felt it was weird it didn't do more when the Odachi is out). Buff Dragon Blade back to 120, Nerf Nano damage multiplier on ults so people stop using Nano blade as the sole excuse why he cant be buffed **This should not all be at once**, these are just general buffs I've thought would help him. Rework Idea: Overcharge - Genji can build ult charge past 100%, capping at 200%. Deflecting damage builds overcharge faster. For every 25% overcharge one of his swings will send out a ranged slash/**or** inflict Slow, **OR** instead of his swings it gives a small speed buff capping at 10% (so 2% for every 20% over cap). It's an idea I got from a different game, sounds busted in theory but fun. Numbers could easily be adjusted, my only concern is bloating him with mechanics and him becoming an ult bot again. I honestly would love them to do anything that makes his skill expression worth it again. Its honestly entertaining seeing how much people think Genji shifts every single patch despite getting no changes whatsoever. I could get into his win rate problems across ranks, platforms, and Blizzards bad balance philosophy around them, but I don't want to write more than this.

I have 200h on genji and since the blade nerf i just use it for a single pick like a cas ult

I think if they want to nerf nanoblade or mercy boost combos they should just decrease damage but add stacking bleed that doesnt scales from dmg boosts and mb give some extra time to realize stacking

i wish i played Genji during ow1 period cus he's so much more fun then widow or hanzo which i main, Genji in higher elo is so bad, so many times i lost games where i thought we could've won on any other character Then Genji.

Make his projectile speed slightly faster, make his shurikens deal slightly more damage, give his dash 2 charges but take the damage down to 35 per dash, keep his deflect the same, and finally, buff his blade to 125 per swing

The season 9 health changes and its consequences.

As someone that has mostly played support throughout the entirety of the game's lifespan I used to be really annoyed by Genji getting in my face and reflecting or dashing or slicing me into pieces. However, I think it was pretty important to learn the hard way from his constant presence to use my cool downs better, aim better, and felt so amazing sleeping him about to blade into my team or nanoing my own to see him rampage the enemy team. Weird how I got a sense of respect for seeing him and it kinda grew on me. Really hope he gets a slight buff on shuriken damage, maybe a slight ult decrease cost, and drastically improve the sheathing/unsheathing animation to make both transitions smoother for him.

@AbbyOW2

28 күн бұрын

This is a really great outlook on it boss.

Laying it all out like this actually makes it even more depressing :')

@AbbyOW2

27 күн бұрын

hug :(

Genji needs a rework. Remove dragon blade, don't make it an ult because it does not feel like one anymore. Make dragonblade an 30 second cool down where you can swing once or twice. Doing the normal damge it would do. Make his ult an install like mercy It reduces cooldown of all his abilities. So it feel like you ARE in an ult state. And his new dragon blade goes from 30 sec to 5 second and reset on kills. So you still get that old ult feeling but dont don't have to be in their face to do anything.

I’ve been playing Genji for the past year, but the one thing that I don’t like about his kit is the projectile speed, and spread of his secondary fire. It’s that his damage isn’t consistent, and much worse at longer ranges. meaning he has to goin the enemy team to gain value from dash and his secondary fire. His damage isn’t the issue, rather it is the delivery in which and finding the perfect range to gain that value. What I would change is the decrease the spread of his secondary fire and increase the fire rate of his primary fire so it matches the same fire rate as is secondary. Also, the last thing to change is his swing speed so it’s constant throughout his whole ultimate. Making the swings have no delay. This would make his good at close and middle ranges. Also that fact that is double jump makes noise is very frustrating. It’s so loud that going on a flake will fall. For “Ninja” he makes way to much noise, I believe both his foot steps and is double jump should be silent. With out effecting his damage in anyway. I believe leaning into the ninja that he is supposed to be would give him that advantage. A crazy idea would be give him another dash, but with having two he would only get one back after earning an elimination. They would both be on separate cooldowns. And would only recharge one when popping blade but also recharges is deflect too. Like I said is a bit crazy. That being said there’s a lot that can help Genji but for some reason no one is talking about it. So thank you for doing so first.

As someone with over 200 hours on Genji he has become blizzard’s worst joke since I first started to play him, turns out you can’t even kill a 250hp hero if you don’t have dash and a Moira is actually healing and using a healing orb on them smh, thanks for the great video and I hope it reaches blizzard

good video,as a genji i agree,you need to play perfect against other heroes,but the other ones don't so not fair

all they have to do is inc his burst fire rate so that his shurikens fly very close to each other to get more consistent dps like any normal 3 round burst rifle in fps games and make his ult 2 hit kill squishes.