The most impressive thing John Kramer did was stay still on a bathroom floor in an uncomfortable position for 6 hours

@Ohsomikaylaaa

8 ай бұрын

He put a muscle relaxer in his blood so that his heart rate would slow, basically putting him to sleep

@j.krollin1307

8 ай бұрын

He was awake because he gave them an electric shock

@sycotic51

8 ай бұрын

@@j.krollin1307did you not watch the movie 😂

@j.krollin1307

8 ай бұрын

@sycotic51 yes Ive watched it to many times, maybe you need to go watch it again

@j.krollin1307

8 ай бұрын

@sycotic51 john has a button that shocks them and he done it 3 times

3 surviving jigsaws. One doctor. One forensic. Another in police force. If these three work together without trying to kill each other. They'd be quite literally uncatchable.

@RazorBladezX

8 ай бұрын

We need a movie like this going. Who can catch the Jigsaws …. Pieces?

@duck9886

8 ай бұрын

@@RazorBladezX 😮 yes 👍

@leesue2

8 ай бұрын

I wonder if that is what they will do in the future

@jktstroll__

8 ай бұрын

What a plot! Would love it

@dubuyajay9964

8 ай бұрын

​@@RazorBladezXPuzzle Solvers...

U forgot the part where John was a kid that went by Kevin McAllister and learned how to create traps when 2 thieves broke into his house one Christmas while his family was away on vacation.

@SongSingsSoprano

4 ай бұрын

John Kevin McAllister-Kramer

@VeteranVexVexillologist

3 ай бұрын

@@SongSingsSoprano Jill McAllister-Tuck-Kramer

@nattyfatty6.0

Ай бұрын

@@VeteranVexVexillologist The Assman!

@VeteranVexVexillologist

Ай бұрын

@@nattyfatty6.0 sorry what?

@abdallahel-terry1263

Ай бұрын

​@@VeteranVexVexillologist the assman

People often assume many sequels/prequels mean a timeline which gets confusing and ends up in multiple timelines which don't connect... Saw is unbelievable at keeping it flowing considering the amount of flashbacks etc they have. It's absolutely crazy how well thought out it all is, no wonder it's probably my favourite series.

@YND-Honcho

7 ай бұрын

I couldn’t agree more!!!

CZ trying to take on the most convoluted timeline in Horror history! I salute you, sir!

@gaspardlaurent742

9 ай бұрын

Is the Friday the 13th timeline a joke to you ?

@greenkoopa

9 ай бұрын

@gaspardlaurent742 is Texas Chainsaw a joke to you?

@Leelz247

9 ай бұрын

If anyone can do it, it's him!

@edschelchang6123

9 ай бұрын

I'd argue the most convoluted timeline is either Halloween or Texas Chainsaw Massacre

@PsychotiX1022

9 ай бұрын

He should delve into video games and then he can take on the most convoluted timeline in video game history, Kingdom Hearts

Amanda’s first test was actually the biggest cop out ever she didn’t even have to suffer the pain to get out of the bear trap she just had to stab another guy that couldn’t defend himself lmao

@Mzert805

8 ай бұрын

exactly what i thought as well

@kozmatheclown

8 ай бұрын

Her test was legit the easiest. It left me so confused. And it makes her a hypocrite too now that I think about it lol.

@dankmemes7796

8 ай бұрын

@@kozmatheclownwell John probably meant for her to survive to he could prove to his ex wife it works .

@kozmatheclown

8 ай бұрын

@@dankmemes7796 Very true. Even still it proves that his ideology is flawed. If Amanda's test was the easiest one then it makes sense as to why she wouldn't hate John nearly as much as the other people who had more extreme tests. I mean it's not really fair for Amanda to give people an extreme test like "Cut off your own arm to find a key in x amount of time" when Amanda herself didn't have a test anywhere near as difficult or painful.

@Evil-V

7 ай бұрын

@@kozmatheclownshould have put Amanda in one of her own inescapable traps to make her swallow her own medicine, even her death was too kind

I just saw Saw X and I thought it was really good. I didn't realize how much I wanted to see Amanda and John working together and sharing an intimate understanding but I was glad to see it.

@Nazinsky

8 ай бұрын

AGREED!

The two additional people who helped kidnap Hoffman at the end of VII were the two survivors from the public trap in the beginning. This is confirmed on the DVD commentary.

Honestly, I enjoy these more than actually watching the movies. Don't get me wrong, I love the movies, but Zac adds so much more context to it, it's like bonus footage.

@phaedraphoenix7862

9 ай бұрын

I agree. I don't care for some franchises, but as a scary movie fan I like to have some vague knowledge/context. He's like the Cliffs Notes of scary movies and I appreciate it.

@dratinibro1999

9 ай бұрын

So true

@ck891

9 ай бұрын

@@phaedraphoenix7862genuinely agree so much. I’ve watched a few of them, but I’m in awe of how extensive the universe is. It’s fascinating. The way this guy breaks them down, it’s almost like a true crime video

@merabledawnspark5827

9 ай бұрын

I agree. I have never watched any of these, but seeing how he is able to put all the events together and be able to explaining very fluently, it is amazing to see!

@adrianstjarnfaldt9895

8 ай бұрын

​@@phaedraphoenix7862fake fan be quit kid

Clicked on this faster than John could say “I want to play a game”

@TheRealGoose_

9 ай бұрын

I think he wants to play a game

@manIKmandnb2023

9 ай бұрын

Same 😂😂😂

@timtoons_

9 ай бұрын

Same tbh

@susiehaltmann3342

9 ай бұрын

Mood

@Wetardy

9 ай бұрын

Same bro

One thing I would take into consideration when integrating spiral, is the fact that it was supposed to come out in May 2020. Before being delayed because of covid. It could still be set in 2020 or 2021, or it could be set in 2019. Because the July 4th festival scene was filmed gorilla style at an actual July 4th festival in 2019

@chipslejonet8840

9 ай бұрын

ape shoot film very well

@Razzbow

9 ай бұрын

Where was that scene shot?

its honestly impressive that the creators were able to connect such a convoluted timeline for the most part

Normally I think sponsors are annoying, but having a video about Saw being sponsored by BetterHelp is really funny to me. Edit: just feel like I should mention that I’m totally for creators having sponsors. Need to pay the bills somehow. I just still think it can be obnoxious skipping through them all.

@chikari123

9 ай бұрын

Got a hearty chuckle out of me

@Reddzion

9 ай бұрын

Even though BH haven't been 100% innocent lately

@MichSciFi10

9 ай бұрын

Especially given how much of a scam better help is.

@AychSkwaird

9 ай бұрын

@@MichSciFi10 Based????

@dieauferstehung

9 ай бұрын

if john went to therapy it all would be avoided

CURIOUS FACT: the person who kidnapped Gordon is John himself. There is a picture of him with the pig mask costume that confirms this.

@MMAFightMagazine

8 ай бұрын

Isn't the pig mask worn by virtually anyone doing such tasks? How does a photo of John with the mask 'prove' he did that specifically?

@Travistabickle

8 ай бұрын

@@MMAFightMagazine Yes, but if Im not mistaken this is the first time we can see John wearing the red cape that Amanda always used to kidnap as shown in Saw and Saw III. Gordon's kidnapping has always been a mistery in the fandom lol and since this picture was revealed not long time ago (or at least i had never seen it back in the forum days), we can asume it was John, it makes sense anyway. You can check in your browser if you like just text 'John kramer pig mask' and you will find the picture in the middle of images section, i would attach the picture but it's not possible.

@JStarke2490

4 ай бұрын

dont know how canon it is, but on imdb, the trivia confirms it was john who kidnapped gordon too

@Username_03830

Ай бұрын

Wasn’t Jigsaw diying at the moment

It was always my impression that Amanda was framed by Hoffman for the inescapable traps. They even said in the movie that Amanda couldn’t have lifted Det Kerry into the angel trap.

@Gawlakman

9 ай бұрын

Hoffman made inescapable traps too, they all did. The only jigsaw apprentice who actually followed the rules and lived by John’s ideals about people getting a second chance at life if they win is Gordon I think because he didn’t sabotage traps for his sick pleasure or personal gain.

@RelentlessOhiox

9 ай бұрын

​@@GawlakmanYeah but technically when Kerry went through her rib cage trap in Saw 3 he still fairly new with John (minus the gas house). He hasn't really turned into a maniac yet. Idk your explanation works too 😂 that's why I love this series.

Funny thing, we never actually see Hoffman die which for any saw fan knows that he could very well still be alive!

@StarKushExoticGalaxy

6 ай бұрын

I bet he is

@nightigal

3 ай бұрын

Remember, if there's no body, there's no death.

Bro, I don’t even watch horror movies for real. But after I have looked at similar horror themed channels, I TRULY appreciate your style, your research and your insight. Thank you

@LtLost15

2 ай бұрын

I consider Saw as a suspense/thriller. Horror to me is more of a supernatural theme where the purpose of the film is to scare you.

@abdallahel-terry1263

Ай бұрын

​@@LtLost15 true that's why I don't feel afraid after watching saw like I was after watching nightmare on elm Street for example

I really love the Saw films. Such a great timeline.

I’ll never forget how I felt the first time it was revealed that the movies were not in chronological order. It felt very surreal.

Kudos for the extensive research and dedicated work, man! It's beyond commendable.

I'm old af and may not be the usual subscriber for this channel , but I swear this young man has got to be my favorite creator and absolute go to when it comes to the breakdown of horror 😊 Edit : Thank you guys for the likes ❤️🥰

@whimsy0451

9 ай бұрын

A true Loremaster

@greenkoopa

9 ай бұрын

I saw the first "Saw" in the theater when I was 17 You may be old but mid 30s isn't young, it's middle aged 😂

@shuga1313

9 ай бұрын

@@greenkoopa Baby , I'm older than the Atari in my shed 😂😂😂😂

@shuga1313

9 ай бұрын

@@whimsy0451 couldn't have said it better myself !

@faithruckdeschel1294

9 ай бұрын

Ur never too old to watch/enjoy Professor Z's awesome channel(some ppl might be too young tho)because he has the wisdom and mindset of an older gentleman.

The running joke about Ericson is even more funny when you know that the actor is playing Norman Osborn in the Spider-Man's video game.

@LorNrocks

4 ай бұрын

Dang, I didn’t recognize him without the mustache, haha.

My wife and I just finished watching “Spiral” in preparation for “Saw X. “ thank you for this awesome breakdown. Answered all my questions.

@Phishfps

8 ай бұрын

What did you think of Saw X? I thought it was really good 👍

@DarthTamarus

8 ай бұрын

@@Phishfps I haven’t seen it yet.

@wyethleon

8 ай бұрын

​@@PhishfpsSame. It fits well with the timeline too and adds another context that may be a possible link, can't wait for Zac to make a video about it.

It's honestly a testament to the writers of this franchise that I'm so interested in the characters and history without actually liking any of the movies in the series. Excellent video, as always! Love your work!

43 Mins of entertainment! Props for diving this deep into the Saw lore!! :D

@zamanlama.

8 ай бұрын

Hoffman kurtulabilir mi?

34:45 The two unknown apprentices who joined Gordon in intercepting Hoffman are apparently Brad and Ryan from the Public Execution / Love Triangle Trap, according to the producers commentary.

@alishiabright9361

9 ай бұрын

Good to know that. I've been wondering who they were.

Honestly this series has woven together one of the greatest timelines ever seen in film.... abs yet its buried beneath the torture that it is known for. No one on the outside looking in would think there is this much in depth storytelling.

John's charisma must be off the roof for so many people willing to help him after what he did to him :,D Using that Jigsaw charm

@blackwingdragonmasta

9 ай бұрын

It's called Stockholm syndrome

Horror History and it’s on Saw? Definitely a double victory

I gotta stand and applaud you for the work you've put into this series & timeline. I wouldn't have had the time, patience, or attention to detail to do even a quarter of what you've done so Bravo!

This was honestly so so satisfying to watch! I really appreciate your attention to detail and all your research and hard work you put into this!

I recently rewatched all of the saw movies (including Jigsaw and Spiral which I hadn’t seen previously) and it was all because I found your channel and spent a whole day watching your Saw videos. Thank you for putting all the pieces together, I feel that without having seen any of this I still wouldn’t have figured out that Saw III and IV take place at the same time even watching the movies back to back. I’m actually excited for Saw X now :)

This is such a great video. I just wanted to say thank you CZ. Thanks to your videos I've since gotten into and fallen in love with the Saw franchise. I sometimes come back and watch them from time-to-time, and I look forward to the eventual "Things you missed in Saw X" whenever that comes out. Hope you're doing well and have a nice day!

What will always interest me the most is how, aside from the crazy life ending games, John was a stand-up guy. He just wanted to help people, building low income housing and wanting people to have good lives. It's crazy what traumatic experiences can do to a person.

@isabellavendel8838

9 ай бұрын

I'd also argue that, although he is certainly a twisted psycho, he has some good intentions with his traps, to rehabilitate people and make them value their lives higher, so that they can live better lives, which is why he insists his games always are winnable, he's not just punishing people for their mistakes. He just has an absolutely horrible, unfair way of doing it.

I love how everything is connected! The twists are great, but the gore is a little much

@CZsWorld It was because of the first Saw timeline video you did that finally got me hooked into watching every film in the franchise. Alot of the details in your video helped me understand so much stuff i missed or didnt get. Never had interest in watching the SAW movies bc it looked like a hostel rip off but man i was wrong! Your deep dive and explanation of John Kramer and his backstory peeked my interest & im so glad it did now that SAW X is coming soon.

Thanks for making this video Zac! Been looking forward to more Saw content from you ever since the Saw X trailer dropped (and of course, looking forward to the movie too).

John Kramer was born on September 3, 1953. Also, Logan still got into his game after returning from the war, in my opinion, somewhere in the summer of 2005, and at the same time the "10 years ago" is perfect. Also, I think that the events of Spiral take place in 2019, not in 2021, as this is the year when the film was shot.

So, if there's currently 3 active jigsaws, with 2 of them being actual Jigsaw apprentices, does this mean they're aware of each other's existence? Also, who actually carries out John's legacy, because John punished Amanda and Hoffman because they cheated on their games by making them unwinnable or just straight up killing people? Lastly, is it possible the two remaining apprentices know each other personally due to the closeness in the timeline to knowing/working with John Kramer? I have so many questions because the film series is currently incomplete.

What I don't understand is how Jill was allowed to just...keep that box John left for her. First, if it was left in his will that would go through probate and be public record. Second, one would think given John's status as, you know, a prolific serial killer, even if he put it in a trust that avoids probate the law would say 'hold up, show us what's in the box'.

John Kramer is one of the most hypocritical murders ever, I swear. Even just things like him not wanting Logan to die because of "an honest mistake" when the whole reason he got put into the game was because he made a mistake.

@doperagu8471

9 ай бұрын

Yeah but his whole "premise" is getting these people to "win" their life back. If he didn't even get a chance, then it's totally in line with Jigsaw's ideology to give him another chance since he never actually got a chance to fight for his life in the initial game. Either way, it doesn't seem that hypocritical to me

@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura

9 ай бұрын

@@doperagu8471 Bro in the very first movie he involves an innocent child and mother in the game to use against Gordon plus forced Zepp to play when he never did anything. Like seriously Zepp died just cause he didn't have a better job position at the hospital and didn't like how cold the Doctors were to the patients. Zepp died because he had empathy for patients and shit talked Doctors basically lmao. He contradicts his ideology 24/7 lets be honest here. In Saw 10 he freaks because a kid got involved in his game because 'he's innocent' yet in other movies he traumatizes children by using them as leverage to get their parents to play. He hurts and even kills innocent people as a punishment against the ones being tested in some movies. It's a really inconsistent if not hypocritical mindset he has. One reason he tests someone is the same reason he won't in another movie.

@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura

9 ай бұрын

@@doperagu8471 I understand it's just a movie but it's extremely hypocritical he saved Logan over a mistake when in past traps and tests the whole reason half his victims die can be boiled down to mistakes too. I don't think his ideas are supposed to be consistent or logical, he's a fruit loop.

@davidjorge4135

8 ай бұрын

​​@@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzuraexactly. Let's be real. Saw movies are a fun watch but it's incredibly bad writing

@retromancer

8 ай бұрын

@@davidjorge4135 Serial Killers IRL tend to have incoherent ideology.

Thank you for making this video and taking the time to gather all this info! Getting me more hyped for Saw X! What a great way to start off the day👍

Thank you for covering the saw timeline CZ !! Also I just love how you included saw x in the timeline which clears the confusion on when will it exactly take place between Saw 1 & 2

This man is truly the pinnacle of lore.

Great work as always. You notice a lot more than some other good movie analysists. "Gettin jiggy with it" 😂🤘

I'm doing deep dives into all the saw films again now that Saw X is coming. This is a great video, thank you!

This was excellent, very well put together, thank you! I'm all caught up and ready for Saw X now.

I even wrote on a piece of paper all the names you had in this video and followed along; man this thing is so convoluted but now I have a complete timeline of events and names in my head where I can enjoy Saw X, thank you

Man you deserve huge props for these videos. So thought out and well done. Great work dude.

I love the amount of work you put into putting all this together.

Can't wait for the updated timeline after the release of Saw X

Great video ! I’m super impressed with the attention to detail, I love all the context this gives to the series

I absolutely love all of the work that must have been put into this. 😊 Amazing job!

First off, I want to say... Love this timeline. Well done. The only thing I think may be off is the Gideon Meat Plant and John's son Gideon. Im fairly certain that John named the meat packing plant after his unborn son, not the other way around. I could be wrong, but Im pretty sure that was the story. It doesnt affect much of anything, but just something to note.

Such a well done video! Thank You for putting this all together for us! I’m recovering from surgery and needed some good KZread videos to keep my mind off of everything and 10/10 you definitely made me forget watching this!

I love the dedication you have to timeline vids. Your intelligence and ability to explain things is very attractive.

Thanks so much for making this, it'll be very helpful to me and probably many others

-One of the coolest villains in movies ever: Mark Hoffman. -the best acting in the whole series imo has been by Eric Matthews' actor. The way he is dangling on the ice block trap over the entire 4th movie; he just really gets so into characer I almost wept for the guy. And that ice block trap btw was the coolest, most twisted and insane yet.

Underrated, but I like how CZsWorld has added "pauses" where advertisements can be added in a natural way without interrupting the video.

fantastic video as per usual! i loved watching this and i’m all the more excited for the new saw 💗

awesome video, i found your channel the other day and binge watched all your Saw stuff 😊 i can’t wait for the new film!

We all waited years for this, the completion of the saga.

I appreciate you so much You must put in so much work in your videos and it takes a lot of researching and editing. Thank you so much for these videos😃

You are amazing , the work you put into this is mind boggling.

Thank you for making this content Zac I know you guys work hard and I want you to know it's appreciated 🐢

Finally! I've been waiting for a new saw video, great as always!

I just saw SAW X in theaters and enjoyed every second of it. Without trying to spoil anything, I believe this gave an engaging chapter in John Kramer's life and paid homage to the original series so well. Although I've watched Saw since the beginning and was familiar with twists, Saw X still manages to pull off surprising twists. Please note SAW X has a mid-credits scene that I recommend staying to watch as well. Unfortunately, the theater where I saw this was nearly empty. I only saw five other people in it. Although an afternoon showing, weekends were usually peak times for theaters though many might've watched Paw Patrol: The Mighty Movie instead when it debuted alongside SAW X. I hope any who are able will watch SAW X in theaters.

@vicvega24

9 ай бұрын

I saw it yesterday night in AKL, NZ

@geneinnewade1278

8 ай бұрын

I saw it last weekend and loved it. Theater had maybe 10 folks but it was a matinee 😊

@beckyanderson988

8 ай бұрын

I literally just saw it in theaters yesterday and honestly it became my new favorite Saw movie and if the series keeps up in this way I am so excited for it to go that way. For me on the way to the theater I was talking about how I was worried the series would become similar to the fast and furious where it was "jumping the shark" so to speak where stuffy came crazy and crazier to the point where it just breaks your immersion in the movie however they did amazing with this movie

@MMAFightMagazine

8 ай бұрын

​@beckyanderson988 what do you mean by 'jumping the shark?' And 'stuffy came crazy?'

You definitely make the best, most interesting, well thought out SAW analysis videos.

From one content creator to another, this was so detailed and I can see how much time and effort was put into this video. Great work!

@uppstigning757

9 ай бұрын

better help these nuts

Excellent work, as always

When I tell you this video connected ALL the dots. This was brilliant dude. Can’t wait to see the updated one with Saw X.

The work you put into this is amazing. Great video!

Yes! I freaking love this series!

All this work and reserarch its amazing. Congrats CZ, keep the great work, amazing video, I love the saw franchise! Please do a video from saw X in the future!

That Chicago Bears comment made me laugh… I’m a die hard bears fan.. it’s cool you are also. Good video! I subscribed !😊

Fun fact Adam is said to still be alive even after what Amanda did which is pretty cool because the decayed bodies shackle is on his other leg. When compared to the 1st movie.

word of the video: "BRUTALITY"

@ShardSpyder

9 ай бұрын

WHAT BRUTALITY?!

Fun fact, one of the cellphone's in Saw 1 shows the date to be 9/10/2001, so the following day won't be a fun one either for Dr. Gordon.

I noticed in the first Saw Movie that Lawrence's phone in the bathroom is set at September 10th, 2001 at 12 PM. While I do believe the time itself may be an error, I looked into the date a bit further. I also looked at the newspaper clipping with Seth Baxter's Murder in it. It was dated June 11th, but June 11th was also labeled Monday. The most recent Monday before this Saw Film was made was 2001. Therefore, Seth Baxter's Murder, the beginning of Hoffman's Apprenticeship, and the games with Paul, Other Mark, and Amanda took place in a matter of weeks, possibly just days. In 2001, not 2004.

Time to add X

@spyjack69

6 күн бұрын

It is included in the timeline

HELL YA I KNEW IT i knew he would do it again my fave Time Line Video updated here we go. Respect and keep up the epic work.

I would love to know more about those unseen traps when Jigsaw first started working! I assume the bodies were too mangled like you said. It was probably fire or acid.

Crazy how i just bunged the entire series and i start to watch your old timeline you come out with this!

It's ironic that betterhelp sponsored this

@JayyJay92

16 күн бұрын

That’s not ironic it’s a coincidence

I really like the hints from movies and you making us awere of it. Like clues from diplomas, newspapers etc. Thank you Czs

Minor fan of the Saw movies, like this video. Just want to say thanks for the extra effort of placing the mid rolls! So many channels an ad will play halfway through the sentence so I appreciate the extra time editing for a better viewing experience. Not a huge horror fan but subbing bc watching someone who is passionate about the topic is entertaining even if I’m not.

I was waiting for a new Saw video from Zack/CZ when I first saw the trailer for Saw X. It’s cool how he was able to incorporate the newest film into the timeline despite it not being out at the time of posting. The prototype Barn Game, the Nerve Gas House, and plans to punish William Easton and Robert Dagan always get my “poetic/grim but oddly fitting justice” sensors tingling. Edward Nigma or Anarky Jigsaw is not, but I think that parts of Bell’s iconic character went into developing their versions for the Batman Arkham series of video games. Looking at you, Arkham City and Arkham Origins.

You did it. You made the timeline. Been waiting for this since hearing the producers commentary talk about it.

@codster9

9 ай бұрын

What about Zep?

You put so much effort in these, it's mind blowing!

This is an amazing video. Thank you for putting this all together, really cool!

Someone had a theory that Adam never died...whos been taking photographs of all the people in the games over the years? That was adams specialty. Its his thing. I think he may have survived the encounter with Amanda. I think were gonna find out a lot of new stuff in SAW X. Looking forward to it!

Great video as always Made me remember .... Hoffman weak point is he never confirms deaths .... Strahm Amamda Perez .... And they come back to bite him ....

This helps because every time a Saw movie comes out I have to refresh my memory with all of the twists and turns and supporting character storylines.

Thank you very much, I have been looking for a long time to understand the timeline of my favorite horror film franchise.

The work that went into this is insane. Thank you CZ :)

It's spooky season so time to binge CZsWorld, and Dead Meat, among others

Well done. I’m sure it took a while to put this all together. Awesome explanation

Please if you can do a timeline into Hannibal Lector’s life like you did Patrick Bateman, that would amazing!

I'm quite impressed that the continuity holds so well given the series' extreme usage of flashbacks, flashbacks within flashbacks, reveals layering on top of flashback.

You’re a miracle worker. I’ve been googling saw timeline trying to find how many months/years the movies take place over but all I can find are articles on which order to watch the movies in/when they take place in the order. This seems pretty dang accurate to me. I had no idea Hoffmanator was in hiding for like 8 months or so during saw 7, that’s wild. Thanks so much and can’t wait to see your video on saw x!