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@WarriorRev6300

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there

@blueninjas948

2 жыл бұрын

Yo

@alvinsj3189

2 жыл бұрын

" RUNS IN THE BACKGROUND " 😂

@thefanman2912

2 жыл бұрын

please heart

@NewKyro

2 жыл бұрын

Hello There

There’s something that needs to be said from this… I would prefer that everyone needs to have a certain level of transparency when showing the next gen chips… Essentially for me all day battery life compared w less time near a wall outlet is what I really need… Forget thinness of the phones… larger more thicker phones w a good amount of efficiency and good battery savings paired a good durable housing and easily replaceable parts is key to me getting my phone moving forward…. Another great quality video Arun… Cheers

@MitchM240

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed I would rather the phone slightly thicker and give me more battery life.

@akashbadhai7279

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@Swampert384

2 жыл бұрын

I’m inclined to agree. Alternatively if graphene can be made more available and used for batteries, we could have the phones as thin as they are now but with an all-day+ battery

@picklerick_91

2 жыл бұрын

@@MitchM240 There’s like unknown brands n stuff who do this sort of thing like Oukitkel n others w big beefy batteries, durable designs, and more… they need to be known more so everyone can know about them… I would get my next Android from them…

@picklerick_91

2 жыл бұрын

@@akashbadhai7279 👍

WE're PAST the point were we need extra performance from generation to generation. If Qualcom releases next year a chip that consumes 20% less energy but has no performance gains. That's still huge.

@driftkingdom532

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@dnegel9546

2 жыл бұрын

Im still on SD845 (lgg7) and I don't feel I'm missing out on anything performance related. Main reason I will upgrade next year will be because I want more ram and better cameras. That's it.

@arnoldmbuthia2687

2 жыл бұрын

That's how you know it isn't an apple bionic chip

@Hypercheeker

2 жыл бұрын

@@arnoldmbuthia2687 apple bionic chips are insane, i upgraded from a phone with a sd765g to one with a15 bionic and it's insane

@YourLocalCafe

2 жыл бұрын

@@dnegel9546 rip LG phones, i miss their dacs.

As mentioned in the video, I wish manufacturers would shift focus from constantly increasing the power of the chips, to improving them in other ways. Stuff like better power efficiency would be an upgrade consumers would actually benefit from to a much larger extent.

@miken8889

Жыл бұрын

they already exist, but we live in a world of biggest/fastest and in the throw away society!

@angelvelez139

Жыл бұрын

This is why I've after many many years of being a staunch android guy now bought an Apple iPhone. Cheers!

@niceengine2571

Жыл бұрын

More powerful chips are more efficient LOL

@yia01

Жыл бұрын

well, if u have an andriod just tune down teh cpu power comsumption. u can make teh chip preform to last gen preformance but with better battery life. u can set custom preformance profile to save battery life, instead of doign 1440p @120 hz, tune it down to 720p at 60. with the current chip u can tune down teh cpu by a good 30% and not notice it in regular usage such as reading, surfing the net and stuff. u will only notice it when gamming. turningoff transition animation and stuff to mak ethe phone fell faster and so on.

@danybalaian7103

Жыл бұрын

Buy an iPhone if you want power efficient chips and top notch performance… everyone is bashing apple but their phones are worth buying

Thanks for bringing this up. I always wondered on this; on benchmarking scores and the actually performance of the device during stressful gaming.

Even though you've named this video as if it's only samsung's scandal, I'm glad you mentioned other companies being in the wrong here. And that we need to be vigilant to keep them from lying to us. Next step would be to take charts from a presentation with at least a grain of salt. Especially since independant reviews are now coming in to show how straight-up false they are.

@mikealstom0631

2 жыл бұрын

@Don't read profile photo i see where this is going

@zee9276

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikealstom0631 don't read his name

@lostdanger37291

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry what companies are doing this

@realHAMPTERCEO

2 жыл бұрын

The title is to get attraction or else people would still be wrong

@jkyablze1854

2 жыл бұрын

Huawei is the best ffs

For me one of the most important things in a phone is battery life - I’m not that interested in slightly higher peak performance that’s only gonna drain my phone anyway. However I do agree that Samsung shouldn’t have hidden this feature from their users and used it to manipulate their customers…

@andyH_England

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Samsung bragging about their benchmark scores yet using GOS to get much better battery life due to never allowing that performance within many gaming apps. That is as bad as it gets as they are misleading customers. They have owned up to it and said they would not do it again (though they havebeen caught out before) and hopefully OEMs will be more honest going forward. We all understand that games will thermla throttle, but to power throttle from the start is something that should be upfront.

@propersod2390

2 жыл бұрын

@@andyH_England samsung has never bragged about benchmark scores. That is something chinese companies do. And btw the source code for GOS says that it only affects game apps. No non game app is affected. KZread, twitter, discord, gallery, benchmarks etc are not affected by gos.

@basketcase1235

2 жыл бұрын

this is what I've been wondering as well, and good thing it was mentioned in the video. I'm sure as hell won't be maximising the performance on my near-flagship phone (which i bought for other things beside performance) and most of the population probably won't either, so why not just focus on R&D to make it run more efficiently. frankly a SD870 for me is already plenty powerful, so why not make a more efficient version of that? also partly why i usually don't get the topmost-of the line flagship (re: the most expensive model flagship) because oftentimes the base model has better battery life due to it not getting the topmost processor of the day.

@grimreaper5232

2 жыл бұрын

and still their battery life is worse than apple's

@nou8419

2 жыл бұрын

@@propersod2390 Tf? Have you saw that never-ending Excel file about GOS? It included Literally every Thing. Even the apps or games which are unheard. HIGHEST OF STUPID FANBOYING. SMH

I'd basically say that most smartphones have a bottleneck in cooling. And chip manufacturers are extending the bottleneck. And instead should work to solve it so that bumping their performance actually matters.

The bit about focusing on focusing on lower power consumption and better heat management is interesting to note because, if we were to shift our gaze over to the desktop and laptop space, that was one of the reasons why Apple switched from PowerPC to x86 processors, and while idk if it was explicitly one of the reasons they did it, it's also another benefit for switching from x86 to ARM. In both cases, a big driving factor behind the change in architecture was a desire for processors that were more powerful but that also ran cooler and used less power.

I just about had a heart attack when I received my s10 and realised it was Exynos instead of Snapdragon. Always gonna make sure its snapdragon from now on ahah

@Zuhri69

2 жыл бұрын

Same, with my S20. After finding that out, no more Samsung for me.

@smashy6289

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zuhri69 oof

@smashy6289

2 жыл бұрын

Smh dummy

@yuminago6159

2 жыл бұрын

Both the exynos chips and snapdragon chips have the same limitations because of GOS. Exynos chips are just worse though so you feel the hit more.

@tayyabo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zuhri69 well if do some more research next time

Those numbers were always a bit shady for me since, when actually comparing both the new flagship and the previous one, you wouldn't even get close to those numbers. Let's hope manufacturers start focusing on the cooling and battery side of things more.

@sj7330

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is that this phone shouldn't be worth a 1000 dollars in the first place. Even if you don't use this phone to its fullest potential you still payed for the specs. It's like buying a sports car that should technically be able to go up to 200mph but can only go up to 90mph due to company regulations and being okay with it. You shouldn't be okay with it because you still payed for 200mph specs. No one would by a Porsche that has regulated speed limits against their will. Not to mention they advertised their products like they overcame overheating and that you could use the products to the fullest when in reality they limited the specs against the consumers will without even telling them. Not to mention they literally tried to cheat geekbench so they wouldn't get caught. Anyone who has bought a Samsung phone has been deceived and is better off with buying a galaxy A series phone. No one should have to pay a thousand dollars for this. There should be legal action taking place and Samsung needs to pay the price.

@ian.williamson

2 жыл бұрын

@@sj7330 you know roads have speed limits, right? And now that Samsung has updated the software so you can turn the optimization off, you can use the entirety of the specs you paid for. I don’t like how they only let benchmark apps work around it, because that’s definitely cheating, but it does make sense that they would limit performance for the sake of battery life. My gaming laptop does that every time I unplug it, the bad thing is that they didn’t tell anybody they were doing it.

@sj7330

2 жыл бұрын

@@ian.williamson Even if you have speed limits you still payed for the whole performance of the car even if you don't use it to its full potential. Do you get a discount on a Lambo just because there are speed limits? No. Samsung only updated the software after getting caught and it doesn’t even matter anyway. There is no actual way to fix this because even if you turn gos off it will overheat, throttle and make the battery life shorter. At least your laptop works perfectly fine when it’s plugged in right? As you said the bad thing is they did it without telling anybody and against the costumers will. They even went ahead with false advertisement. If they couldn't make a phone that meets their claims they should have released a phone they could build properly in the first place. This phone shouldn't be on the market.

@ian.williamson

2 жыл бұрын

@@sj7330 I mean they don’t make their own chips like Apple so I think it’s okay to limit power consumption when most people don’t need it anyway. Tons of people buy lambos and vettes so they can go even under the speed limit sometimes. But should definitely have been more upfront about it and given us the option to toggle it from the start. The best solution imo would be to let the customer choose their own max voltage and clock speed like you can do in bios on a pc, then people can decide if they want battery life or performance, and be able to change it on the fly like boost it when they’re about to play a game or something. When computers don’t have adequate cooling, they throttle too, and in that instance you’re leaving performance on the table too, just like here. It would make way more sense if Samsung did spend a bit more time on the design and maybe add a little thickness for better cooling, liquid metal and vapor chamber, stuff like that. But again, 99% of people prioritize battery life over speed bc it doesn’t matter for 99% of things you do on your phone. There should still be an option for people like us as I mentioned before though.

@sj7330

2 жыл бұрын

@@ian.williamson Yes I totally agree but it's not a matter of whether users need the full specs or not. They paid for it. This is clearly false advertising and deceiving their customers. There should be compensation.

Excellent job with the background music!! Feeling pumped 😁💕

I would like to commend the organization and cohesiveness of how you explain in these kinds of videos. I have an extremely short attention span so it's hard for me to stick long, but of course I'd still like to learn. Kudos to you! Kept it short and sweet, while giving the most information.

I knew about the benchmark cheating from the past, didn't know we're still trying to pull this crap. As for GOS: I'm not entirely against the idea; I don't need the full power of the chip while scrolling through twitter or something. However this should be clearly communicated to the user, and I have to be able to turn it off on a per app basis, or in its entirety

@GareWorks

2 жыл бұрын

Of course they're still pulling it. Just look at every single chart Apple puts out. Or Samsung, as mentioned in the video. Other honourable mentions would be Intel and NVIDIA (and sometimes AMD).

@bipbop3121

2 жыл бұрын

Phones are so past, in its entirety, with passive cooling. Say hello to thermal throttling and a phone too hot to touch. Phones have been getting larger, heat suppression mode, so like a laptop, you only get peak performance plugged in and even that has to be carefully modulated to keep you off the thermal throttle roller-coaster

@nathanjimenez1562

2 жыл бұрын

Samsung did address it and gives you the option to turn off gos

@fifaworldcup1994

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanjimenez1562 How?

@srp770

2 жыл бұрын

@@fifaworldcup1994 watch the video first before asking such a pointless question

It would've been useful if big influencers like you covered the issues on S22 Ultra for eg audio video delay so that Samsung finally does something to fix it quick. On the flip side nice video as always!!

@Ulli-lv5xd

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Currently watching this on my galaxy 22 Ultra and the audio-video lag is killing me

@intensegaming7181

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ulli-lv5xd trust me man millions have that problem, hopefully it's solved soon, what I don't understand is that we pay bloody £1500 for a premium smartphone and the service is no way near premium!

@mosalahmosalahrunningdownt5579

2 жыл бұрын

@@intensegaming7181 try xiaomi

@littlebiggoliath

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please!!!! I HOPE MR BOSE SEES THIS. ITS ANOYING AS FUCK 😔

@karelbitter8040

2 жыл бұрын

I have a s22 ultra. And every video lagged and audio didnt sync. But after updating all apps it just disappeared. Only instagram is still not syncing

I only watched this because someone linked it in a discord server, but I have to say I love the smirk you have throughout the video! It makes you look like you are genuinely excited to talk about this stuff!

0:37 love how he said 'the software runs in the background' and they you see 2 people running in the background 😅

Thing is this has been going on for years, meaning that last year's phone were also limited in performance. The actual performance the users see is improved from the throttled down phones of years past.

@MMAli-rq8kd

2 жыл бұрын

How much did *Volkswagen* lose and pay in compensation for exactly the same thing?!

@alveolate

2 жыл бұрын

this has been going on since the days of laptops, my young padawan. altho i believe laptops used more hardware-based limiters and were far easier to check with windows being a more open-top OS.

@frank_av8tor

2 жыл бұрын

@@MMAli-rq8kd Not the same thing. Volkswagen was cheating on emissions, not limiting performance.

@fynkozari9271

2 жыл бұрын

Samsung must be doing it for greater good. - Samsung fanboys probably.

@tonyhawk123

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try Samsung workers. No, treating benchmarking software differently is a con. Deceitful. Samsung has a long record of this.

We've already got all the power we need for smartphones. Software has become bloated and developers have become lazy. Let's focus on optimisation rather than speed.

@AntonioNoack

2 жыл бұрын

Developers haven't become lazy (they always were on a certain level ^^). The ecosystem has become extremely complex (software & hardware), so the primary focus are features/functionality, not top performance.

My Xiaomi 12X with the slower tier chip is actually faster then the flagship Xiaomi 12, that's just because having the same battery and liquid cooling system of the flagship equipped on a slower cooler chip enables my phone to run at peak power at any time giving me almost two days of battery life!

As always, cheers for a great upload, and I took the SurfShark deal too. Absolute steal. Cheers bud 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Congratulations for making the highest-quality tech videos on the internet! Your videos are not only detailed, informative, and educational, but highly entertaining! You keep the attention even of people who aren’t particularly into the tech topic you’re discussing in a video.

@cookieboysweet3460

2 жыл бұрын

@Don't read profile photo bruh why u comment?

@pdf-file

2 жыл бұрын

@@cookieboysweet3460 He's a booooooot

@clanceeinfinity5399

2 жыл бұрын

ever heard of LTT or mkbhd?

@PerkyBird

2 жыл бұрын

@@clanceeinfinity5399 yep, but Arun’s videos are so much more engaging and entertaining

@TedytheCreative

2 жыл бұрын

Don't agree tho, MKBHD has the best quality for videos but as for entertaining and keeping the interest of people even not particularly interested in a particular thing it goes to him

My experience: I tried stopping the service my self (I have a rooted Note 20 Ultra) and although you DO get a bit more performance in some games for the first minutes, it actually make the whole experience worse, the game will end up eventually in the same performance realm than with the service enabled, and even make the phone more unstable, I experienced a lot more crashes on regular apps and I was logging quite more issues with the SoC spiking in performance than with the service enabled which keep everything under control. I agree with your point, this should NOT happen, but the main issue comes from the need for marketing for every upgrade, they need to say "this new phone has a faster chip" in order to make people upgrade their phones, and they need to "prove" the chip is faster, even though this will make virtually 0 difference with the last phone because thermals and battery are constraints still.

@MuscleCarLover

2 жыл бұрын

That was a very helpful read, thank you for sharing your experience

@threx71

2 жыл бұрын

@@MuscleCarLover you're welcome

@epicgamer496

2 жыл бұрын

it should be an option

@thesaxophoneboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@MuscleCarLover why are you over Muscle Carl? Did he break up with you?

@MuscleCarLover

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesaxophoneboy Wut, it's muscle car lover

love the info you are sharing with us man, subscribed/

Hey arun love your videos so informative and I'd like you to do a full review on the s22

It's nice to be subscribed to a youtube channel which openly talks about the problems of a company, not fearing how big the company is and how it could affect future sponsorships and videos.

allways love your vids . i allways learn somthing new thanks for the info

I went morroco on a camel ride in the desert the iPhone shut down saying over heating, the Samsung galaxy fold continued to work

I've felt for a while now that the chips are a big issue. It's really no use to bring out these new chips that can perform slightly better than their predecessor for a significant power and heat increase. Maybe the industry should start looking at making more efficient chips instead of forcefully pushing out big numbers, as that'd probably lead to even bigger innovations in the battery and quality-of-life departments.

@suhandatanker

2 жыл бұрын

@Savetion Foodist I could say the same about you.

@dinervc9582

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why we got Apple.

@spacebear916

2 жыл бұрын

Quality comment! I agree! Albeit not exactly the same but very similiar the flashlight industry also suffers from this "big numbers hunt". Nowadays you can buy a 10 000-lumen quite small light but how long does it last on the highest level (and how long can you actually hold it without it burning you)? Perhaps 1-2 minutes until the control chip decides to lower the output level in order to decrase temp. Also. More sophisticated cooling solutions for flashlights (like active heat shield and fans - nothing "einstein worthy" really) just recently made their way to the big market which surprises me because the LED heat problem has been an issue for a very long time. MOST people, dare I say, would be happier with a long duration light instead of a "short time super ultra bright light" but that's not what the industry thinks apparantly and this "high lumen hunt and hype" is very similiar to the phone markets issues. HYPE and BIG NUMBERS do sell however and maybe ordinary people ought to think a little about their habits also in order for the industry to change its focus and priorities concerning these things.

@GareWorks

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is the lack of competition. Exynos is a joke, Qualcomm is currently pulling an Intel (the 14nm+++++ nonsense), and Apple is the only one who can use their chips anyway, so there's little to push them to do better. Other chips from companies like MediaTek aren't huge competitors right now so they don't really matter, at least not for flagships.

@twixieshores

2 жыл бұрын

The big problem is that's not how you sell a phone to an average consumer. A 100+ MP camera is useless to most consumers (especially the ones who don't understand the concept) but it sure makes for good sales because of the simplistic belief that "higher number = better"

The next phone needs a superior cooling system, I wouldn't mind similar performance but would like to see a phones chip be on peak performance.

@Lanxxe

2 жыл бұрын

Even if the next chip has slightly reduced performance, if they use a better cooling system they can achieve the same or better performance than if they just brainlessly increased the power.

@z-muny3256

2 жыл бұрын

Hold the gas pedal on your car and see how long it lasts

@blindfire3167

2 жыл бұрын

It's next to impossible without making the phone bulkier, making a very expensive change to the phone's heatsink that probably wouldn't work very well unless they redesign the inside of their phones, or adding fans on the outside similar to the ASUS gaming phones (which needs BOTH things I mentioned to happen to work lol). Don't get me wrong, it's not like they don't have a lab/team working on trying to figure out these issues, but just like with battery, we're kind of in a pause and can't keep up with how good chips are becoming.

@z-muny3256

2 жыл бұрын

What about the whole casing of the phone be connected to a vapor chamber liquid nitrogen heatsink. . Use the whole phone as a heatsink, maybe it would get to hot in the hands . . Maybe not who knows?

@printhallo

2 жыл бұрын

You can't do that, the phone would be extremely heavy and huge

Just wanted to hammer your own point home: If next year they only produced a chip that is 30% more efficient but does not have any notable increase in peak performance, *you still would be getting an increase in performance* overall since you are able to actually utilize that loss.

Ur the man I do look forward to u with tech tips all the way from Oklahoma sir I appreciate you! Your very proper I still have my 12 max pro because of ue

Honestly, I would not mind having a 1.5-2mm thicker, heavier phone if the manufacturer assures it has a better, bigger battery and cooling system to power the whole chipset at its prime. Thank you, Mrwhosetheboss!

@miwiki6

2 жыл бұрын

i use thick cases because i love to hold thick phones, who don't they do this?

@HyperVanilo

2 жыл бұрын

@@miwiki6 Because phone manufacturers can't satisfy every type of consumers

2 жыл бұрын

@Will Swift How so?

2 жыл бұрын

@@miwiki6 My point is not about keeping them bulky just because but about getting what the chipset is supposed to be able to do even if it means having a bulkier device.

Very interesting video and pretty neat ideas! thanks for the insights!!

The funniest thing is; Android users are more honest about their phones than Apple users

I love how informative this channel is. They manage to add extra knowledge into the video whilst keeping you focused on the main topic. Now that's what you call, "quality content".

@ELCNytroid

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up bot

@Julyben

2 жыл бұрын

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@dino-dude

2 жыл бұрын

Generic bot comment

@sniper8579

2 жыл бұрын

Same with mkbhd he’s moved on from just product reviews but explains the whole view without bias

@lusir.

2 жыл бұрын

@@dino-dude I assure you I'm not a bot lmao, I just genuinely appreciate the effort they put in these videos

tysm for constantly pushing the envelope of how good and well researched a topic can be, from the first few minutes i can see the amount of effort you put into even seemingly trivial stuff. Thank you for the information as well as the top tier entertainment ! :D

@yeetmcyeetson8822

2 жыл бұрын

@@atharvrao4565 check my history before making baseless claims, matter of fact, first time commenting on this channel iirc.

@Maisonikkokufan

2 жыл бұрын

@@atharvrao4565 nah this is the original comment. The "verified" account is the bot

@ezronthelegend

2 жыл бұрын

Its 69 like mf I ain't liking your comment

This explains why Samsung's latest phone has a lot of issues when playing ML, And people thought it was Moonton's fault.

very nice... I can it is great video after a very long gap.. lot other influencers just tell same bull shit... but you are doing good job

It reminds me of the VW Diesel scandal where they limiting the emissions only when they recognize a testing device It's basically the same principle!

@nhilandra7586

2 жыл бұрын

No, it really isn't. What samsung have been caught doing is basically preserving battery life. Every manufacturer does that. The fact that it was disabled for benchmarks is unfortunate.... but here's the news.... most manufacturers will be doing the same thing. Do you really think that 'manufacturer x' with there snapdragon running 5% faster than the s22 is not doing the same thing?

@jonasthumler4595

2 жыл бұрын

@@nhilandra7586 And that every manufacturer does that make what better? And you don't know the whole dimension of the Diesel scandal, do you? It was also a lot of company doing that. Of course the reason why they doing that are different. We talk about two completely different things (car engines and smartphones). But from the business perspective it is the same. Both tried to make promises they both can't accomplish in real conditions.

@peterdevreter

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite. VW was doing it to fool governments. Samsung is doing it to prevent the phone getting fried due to heat. But that should be an option that a customer can turn on (with a warranty void warning) and off. Edit: just heard that they already did this :)

@braders5192

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterdevreter These limits wouldn't be a problem if all apps were treated the same. The fact that benchmarking apps were left unrestricted is the issue here.

@notagain2856

2 жыл бұрын

All that Samsung talk about how the S22 Ultra has new advanced cooling system is misleading, when in the end they still need to limit performance to avoid overheating

love behind-the-scenes tech classes with Aron because I be learning something new every time there's a new video

Puttin the Samsung "Z" flip on the background was a nice touch :D

Samsung may have been caught but I'd wager most companies do it

Being able to choose what kind of performance i want for each and every every program on my asus rog phone is great and if i don't care about it running super smooth at 60 or 120fps i can just keep it on auto and it does a pretty good job at balancing power consumption and performance. I wish more companies would allow for this level of customisation so we wouldn't run in to these kinds of problems

@rayaanmohammad

2 жыл бұрын

Don't reply to this guy he is a fake account trying to scam people

@dropzonegaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayaanmohammad i know

@theo2378

2 жыл бұрын

If these phones doesn't auto throttle its performance when it wants to, then it could very much lead to a thermal runway and brick itself

@rayaanmohammad

2 жыл бұрын

@@dropzonegamingthats good a lot of people are getting scammed so i just wanted people to know

@Metalshark100

2 жыл бұрын

yeah man i love my Asus ROG phone, literally best phone i've ever had, i limit it to charge up to 80% as to keep the battery in top performance for longer and i always run it at 120hz. never had an issue, at least for normal day to day life. if i feel like i'll need more battery throughout the day i'll set it to 90% charge but i barely ever try to charge to 100.

0:37 Runs In The Background 😂🤣😂🤣 (Real People Running In The Background)

Insightful video Arun! You raised very important points regarding battery life, chips power and manufacturers' "dishonestly" limiting performance. What do you think about the actual batteries capacity? Do you think it is fair for consumers to overpay for "powerful" chips and other "premium" components while getting suboptimal batteries? What do you think about manufacturers putting 450-600 Wh/L batteries when there are 750-850 Wh/L batteries available in the market? That would effectively give 30-50% more energy for smartphones per every charge for the same size battery! Should smartphone manufacturers move to 6000-7000mAh batteries for premium models such as S22Ultra, iPhone 13 max and etc?

Wow very informative video. Thanks. I just purchased a ultra 22 yesterday and may consider returning it once I receive it.

Thank you for covering this. I googled Samsung scandal and the only news articles from mainstream trusted news sources are corporate/financial breaches from many years ago. And then some tiny, possibly dodgy news sites mentioning GOS. Wish this made the news like Apple’s battery issues or the VW emission scandal, rather than be glossed over.

@sj7330

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this is not a problem that should be shrugged off or taken lightly

@BS25999

2 жыл бұрын

That could of course mean there is no scandal, that one reviewer is inflating this to increase his ratings.

@sj7330

2 жыл бұрын

@@BS25999 Nope it is In fact true. In Korea this is a huge problem and many people are furious since Korea is Samsungs most loyal market. It hasn't blown up in other countries because Samsung flagship phones don't really sell well in other countries.

@leol.8658

2 жыл бұрын

@@sj7330 ...what do you mean don't sell well? Samsung is the most popular android brand worldwide. At least try saying something believable

@sj7330

2 жыл бұрын

@@leol.8658 I said their FLAGSHIPS don’t sell well. On the other hand their cheaper alternatives like the Galaxy A series sell well. The GOS affects the flagship models more so naturally not many people know of it.

The Apple instance was a little different compared to the other devices’ throttling. I do agree that it should have been made public.

@skidamarink

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, other companies, including samsung, use this to bump up their benchmarking scores of their flagship phones

@ianwlouw

2 жыл бұрын

Actually Apple was worse because they were deliberately allowing phones, hence most people would feel the need to upgrade.

@ch4rleebrown153

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianwlouw and it was happening with the phones which had a bad battery(for ef 80%)

@canalperolasdanet2103

2 жыл бұрын

Apple instance was very different,only old phones with poor battery health,not Brand new 2022 released phones and including exceptions to benchmarking

@christopherpylant2356

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianwlouw Apple allowing the phones to randomly shut down during heavy usage would not of been too great for their image. A fix was needed and Apple supplied a fix; it wasn’t implanted in the best of ways but it did help iPhone users. ----- Apple’s services are what they really want. Get an iPhone and do what with it? You buy Apple Watch. You buy AirPods. You buy subscriptions to Apple Music. You buy games. You buy apps. You buy the expectation of getting the best and that’s what Apple wants; not a lower profit like the iPhone. No, they want it all. The iPhone has millions of users. Apple doesn’t care if you have an older iPhone. They care about money making services and performance reputation. ~Typing from my 6s+ 👏👏👏

You nailed it, to add to it, Samsung Galaxy series WIFI is the most unstable one. I have noticed this in Note 9 to Note 20. Not sure other versions have this issue. Wifi keeps disconnecting if you move away from one access point to other, whether using Mesh or normal network.

this man is just exposing a huge company lol

Is this a scandal? I expect my phone to do CPU scaling just like a laptop. But maybe I’m an old nerd. The peak performance is still a part of my end-user experience even with CPU scaling.

@user-fb9sm7nn2x

2 жыл бұрын

Yea same I don't get the drama. Are people expecting the Cpu to be at 100% when the phone is idle or in notes app ?

@Truecrimeresearcher224

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's a scandal cause people wanted the user to be able to control when it's throttling

@ys2850

2 жыл бұрын

​@@user-fb9sm7nn2x Well every app has its own power consumption. When its limited to certain degree causing performance issue in the app itself, it is a big problem.

@leehuang8866

2 жыл бұрын

🥱🥱🥱 excuses, Samsung is trash

@sh1121

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-fb9sm7nn2x Because it’s misleading. Samsung boasts a rise in performance compared to their previous model and competitor flagships, but use GOS to limit the use of the CPU in actual high-end tasks such as gaming, so the users get less speed than advertised.

Great insight and explanation. Also, GOS 😅

@tatsukialmologist

2 жыл бұрын

Game optimization my arse…

@DestenyLuvsGod

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volshebnik1 shut up

@SayoojGarrix

2 жыл бұрын

I think every smartphone do that Yesterday Xiaomi got throttling

@JadF1729

2 жыл бұрын

You didnt even see the whole video yet .

@techandy1747

2 жыл бұрын

@@tatsukialmologist 🤡

Amazing! I love how you talk about both pros & cons of things in such an unbiased way👍

That's what I love about my P30 Pro. If I start games like Genshin Impact, it runs at 29-30 fps. But there is an option. Performance mode. The battery decreases really, really fast, but I get to play every game in 60 fps. If I plug it in and play for a couple of hours, the phone gets really really hot. But I bought it in 2019 and I still don't have any problems with the phone, even tho I really often used that feature

@dread1262

8 күн бұрын

Just plug it in to a wall everytime u play

Love the S22 Graphite color Arun. Subtle, no name dropping with it. Keeping it classy as always and not trying to sell us product. But we noticed...it is a sweet color!

The fact that Mrwhosetheboss uploads constantly is just amazing! Keep up the good work! (Keep rickrolling us)

@kushagra3569

2 жыл бұрын

you could atleast watch the video before commeting

@Ameerjanan

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh you didn't even watch the video

@eclp2728

2 жыл бұрын

I'm currently still watching don't worry :)

@2_Chezzy

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@eclp2728

2 жыл бұрын

@@ok-jl7qo Yea yt definitely needs to do smth with such bots

Finally, new tech explainer stuff. Keep coming with more of these stuff 🔥

Love the webcam view and side bars category’s. what editing software do you use.

hey mrwhostheboss i used to watch u a loooooooonnnnngggggg time ago and i love your videos

You would need a radiator and a fan to sustain even a 5 watt CPU at peak performance. But you can run it at peak for about 5 minutes, and then slow it down before the temperature goes too high and voila you don't need a fan. 5 min or less is enough for most users to complete whatever task, OR they may only need top performance for little short bursts even if they use their phones for hours... unless it's a video game. Games, especially 3D games often require every bit of performance out of the chip AND for extended periods of time. You can limit the frame rate to save power and prevent the chip from heating up but everyone wants more, always. Most games on smartphones are limited to 30fps even if your screen can refresh at 90 or 120Hz the game still render at a lower rate and at a lower resolution than your screen's native specs. This is all done in the name of reducing power consumption and heat. Out of most apps, games are by far the most power hungry and demanding of performance. Designing software that reduces power consumption and heat while allowing the chip to perform as fast as it can under the given constraints is what every smartphone maker SHOULD be doing. That the problem is the tendency of manufacturers to believe their users are idiots and providing ZERO control over these features. To Samsung's credit they have given toggles and switches for a lot of the stuff - I was pleasantly surprised to find a "limit battery charge to 85%" function in the settings of my Note that was not there before. It was like a nostalgic moment reminding me why I am a Note user. Silliness aside, I think as the demand for high performance on smartphones gets higher and higher we will start seeing more controls over the power management software. Demand for performance has outpaced progress in making chips more efficient (do more for less watts) so clever software is used instead to manage chips that consume more power than ever before. New phones nowadays are designed around this and are simply not meant to perform at 100% power for any longer than about 5 min. It's an understandable compromise but users need more control over this.

@elephant1851

2 жыл бұрын

​@Hellequin Maskharat Fair point. From the phone maker's perspective they are just trying to protect themselves from lawsuits by making products "idiot proof."

@spamton1996

2 жыл бұрын

bro wrote an essay for 40 like

@davel7037

2 жыл бұрын

@Hellequin Maskharat having maximum performance at your disposal anytime is still what i would prefer, bcz i do need it. Better processor can also mean a better camera etc.

@rxonmymind8362

Жыл бұрын

I think Moto z from the Motorola line in the extra accessories they had which added onto the phone was the right idea. Seeing that there's only so much real estate in a phone it's time to add on to it. I absolutely loved that phone and had several accessories like extra battery (which made it a power house) external snap on speaker and so forth. Have to literally think outside the box.

It was a matter of time until Samsung did it too, after apple did something similar.

@fush3gaming900

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, almost every phone company did this

@iDard3n

2 жыл бұрын

Apple doesn’t do this unless the battery is bad and you have a toggle to disable so you can take that android fan boy lie somewhere else

@addium3151

2 жыл бұрын

@@iDard3n Yes apple did it and there was no way to turn it off. You should really check what u say before accusing others

@kbtriplesix

2 жыл бұрын

@@iDard3n youre a huge clown if you prefer apple and watch tech reviews lol

@johnvarshith709

2 жыл бұрын

@@iDard3n 😂😆😆 apple lol

change the benchmark to power over time. We will be able to see the curve as it throttles due to heat. This would give an excellent view of power and cooling.

HI, I'm thankful for your video, sorry I came across it late but I've learned a new lesson today. My personal responce is manufacturers have lost sight of what Apple implimented in the first place, which is making software smaller and more efficient to the goal of improving speed and reliablility. So I agree, we don't need more powerful chips, what we need is more efficent software that consumes less power and resources in the first place. But I would like to ask you a question (I'd be really greatful for a reply). Does this same issue translate to tablets. I have a Samsung Tab S7, it has GOS as you mentioned (I assume it's a built in app based on what you said). But does this issue affect tablets the same as phones. As tablets are bigger and most have similar chipsets to flagship phones, I would imagine tablets wouldn't be as constrained with regards to battery power and cooling. So can I safely disable GOS on my tablet? Thank you :D

This was a phenomenal video, excellent breakdown of the situation. As a long time Samsung user (s6, s7, s10, s21), I've read lots of speculation that Game Optimizing Services throttles performance. Furthermore, it's been almost impossible to remove or disable without rooting your phone. This has been one of the more frustrating aspects, for transparency, testing, and because it prevents users from using their hardware how they see fit. Although I understand why hardware manufacturers are doing what they are doing, I do hope to see some changes in the near term (as more adequate cooling and power solutions will take time, and likely increase cost). I hope that phone manufacturers will be more transparent about what exactly their software does, and that users will be "allowed" to disable services as they see fit. As long as users are informed of potential risks, it should be a user's prerogative to do what they want with what they own. I also hope some sort of industry standard is adopted for how (mobile) chips are tested and compared. Peak performance is fine, but for what length of time can it be sustained? More importantly, what level of performance (and efficiency) can be had for say, 30 minutes at a time? Generally, I think people who care about this stuff understand that hardware is limited by it's cooling, and understand that some throttling is acceptable. Just as long as there is transparency, that's my big thing.

@ShamrockParticle

2 жыл бұрын

It's a bit needlesdly overproduced with escess visual and audible fluff, but the main points were good.

@josephl3602

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShamrockParticle so overproduced that you just had to let everyone know. Thanks, but one thing about his videos.. You don't have to watch them...

@michaelsowerby9507

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Honestly, this is why people like me watch people like you, about stuff like this. In other words, I don't believe what the manufactures have to say, and people like you help give the real specs. Thanks!

@wanderlust...H

Жыл бұрын

Pin worthy📌👍

@PRIMO19

Жыл бұрын

yes apple bad I hate iphones

Very well explained. thanks Arun. Love from Philippines ..💛💙❤

I thought all manufacturers has been doing this ever since! Camera, hardware, and software optimizations. Too bad for Samsung, it's the only one getting hit big time! 😅

@tonyhawk123

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's mainly Samsung. Cry me a river.

@disghosted5668

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyhawk123 Samsung is just the most notorious! Still, it's not the only one doing this. 😅

@SoulWarriorSF

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyhawk123 I remember Apple doing this too

@tonyhawk123

2 жыл бұрын

@@SoulWarriorSF no, you dont

@SoulWarriorSF

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyhawk123 do your research buddy

I had heard about this issue. Thanks for giving an in depth look. I care more about the features and capabilities of the device than I do the benchmark scores anyway. Still, this was good to know more about.

@user-ot6we8hq8i

2 жыл бұрын

Msg direct watsap~~~~ sss

The same thing happens with the laptops. As a Dell user, I can't even increase the voltage of my GPU by softwares like MSI nor use it's full gpu speed, leading to poor performance. But this thing should disappear when the customer is using the product primarily on AC power

@blitzblix9455

2 жыл бұрын

Some bought account stole your comment and got way more likes just so you know

@7katter

2 жыл бұрын

@@blitzblix9455 sue them

@fred-youtube

2 жыл бұрын

You should set Windows to high performance, check the BIOD settings, and vaccumm the fans

@fred-youtube

2 жыл бұрын

*BIOS

@ryutsukishiba2943

2 жыл бұрын

This is not a software limitation but a cooling limitation with software in place to protect your hardware from heat damage. Laptop GPU generally perform 10-30% worse than their desktop equivilents, and if you look at the bulky heatspreaders that are required to cool desktop GPU, you will see exactly why.

I don't have enough money to buy these phones, but still watching you're all videos, and loves you're videos❤

This answers my question about the " Optimizing mode" but says in the description how it doesn't work for games.

3:48 except Nokia (LOL)

@devx_69420

Жыл бұрын

And Motorola

Honestly I wished chip makers focused on efficiency more. Would love for a 5000mah battery to last 12+ SoT easily

@grantic5413

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr, i dont care how thin a phone is, i just want more power, cooling, and battery

@kirikadda8226

2 жыл бұрын

Just use Moto g40 fusion where u get 11hrs+ sot with 6k mAh

@notagain2856

2 жыл бұрын

Samsung M52 can get 12 hours SoT when the display set to 60Hz

@bruxi78230

2 жыл бұрын

@noodle dragon --- Actually they do spend a ton of time and money on efficiency. All chips in portable devices have performance cores and efficiency cores. As chips shrink in size, chipmakers are increasing both efficiency and speed in the efficiency cores which provides for better battery life. And modern chips are also doing about 6 important functions other than just running at top speed.

@ifrankenstein7455

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruxi78230 Yes but most of them not as much as 🍎 (apple). That's why iphone chips are so efficient (lasts longer with lesser battery capacity and runs cooler for longer). I'm an android user but the efficiency of apples chips makes me see that other chip designers and manufacturers are not doing good enough

Great job, Arun!!!

Somewhat similar to having a super fast internet connection yet websites throttle download speeds to share bandwidth of their servers. Even Microsoft does this when using the W10 media creator tool.

"It runs in the background" 🏃🏃🏃 🤣🤣🤣 you guy's editing is so creative and so good!

I have a Samsung Galaxy s21 ultra and I don't plan on buying another phone for years stop putting out new phones every year put out a new phone every 2 years that will solve a lot of this problem we don't need a new phone every year. People are going to stop buying phones as has already been seen phone purchases are down by 30%. Nobody needs a brand new phone every year.

I love the way you break down technology so that us non-techies can get a handle on it. Good stuff.

With performance inhibiting software enabled, how fast are current processors when compared to older models when put in perfect environments. Do the older ones come out on top if they're able to sustain? Or do current processors out clock them even with inhibitors enabled?

Another thing to add to the list of things to work on. It sits right up there with right to repair and phones collecting GPS and other Data even when you opt out.

Thanks for the explanation.Makes it much easier to understand!

Thanks for giving a genuine review and information.

While I do appreciate the increased level of performance, I'm less concerned about playing a game than I am about battery life while being able to use the phone normally. I would love to be able to go all day without having to charge while actually being able to fully use my phone. I used to play location games like Ingress and HPWU, so I would run the battery down.

3:17 Arun uh you spelled “service” wrong lol

Damn, this video is proper! I started watching your vids without liking tech, and now I'm obsessed!

Actually, frame limiters on games are a very good idea. I've been using them on windows for 20 years. Games are often not well optimized. So Samsung's efficient game mode sounds like a good idea to me.

Hey @Mrwhosetheboss, the Assburger in my head made me tell you this: noticed numerous typos in the "subtitles" you put on screen (well, not the yt subs, ergo the text you put on screen) keep an eye out for that. thank you

Although I agree with every thing in the video, I think most people donˋt need to upgrade their phone every year. Keep in mind, that our planet wonˋt do this long, especially, when theirˋs almost no chance to recover the resources.

@orbitingganymede5403

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. This notion that everything just has to grow and get better is, as shown in the video, just another time proven to be not sustainable. A phone that does have a stable performance on practical everyday uses, long battery life, and most importantly longevity and repairability - what would the average person want more? Sure, if they wouldn't get bamboozled by all this tech innovation crap that makes them buy a new phone every year - there is still factories where a bunch of poor people work their asses off for over 10 hours a day with little to no vacation or free time whatsoever, just so that all these tech companies can keep producing and producing, further exploiting natural resources and the well-being of our ecosphere.

Calling them disingenuous is being incredibly generous.

I 100% agree as I notice after each update my Galaxy s20 ultra is slower. In fact I'm wondering if the 60hz is on or not. I look at my fence One Plus Nord an it sames now of days to be running much faster than my phone.

Apple limited old iPhones in benchmarks as well tho if I’m not mistaken

Highly reminds me of the VW Diesel scandal. Also there the car's exhaust system could differentiate between normal drive and testing scenarios and could artificially reduce co² emissions during a test, making it appear as if the car was performing better (exhausting less toxic gases) than it actually was. Interesting story, thank you for sharing it! My next phone will be the FairPhone anyway :)

@SpaniardNL

2 жыл бұрын

Well not really, vw dieselgate was the most hilarious thing ever. Vw cheated emision tests which actually gave consumers a better product, your car had more power and used less fuel with VW's cheats. Yet suckers lined up angry at the dealership to have their car be made to run worse 🤣 i've laughed my ass off back then and still do to this day. Please mr manufacturer sir, I'd prefer an inferior product please 🥲

@Ma1ne2

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpaniardNL depends what you define as inferior, in engineering it always depends on what you want to optimize. Our governments - with in my opinion good right - decided to steer the car Industrie towards a more climate friendly place. Specially in cities the smog and toxic particles are a problem. It causes diseases many die of every year. So to call a product inferior that optimizes for human health rather than showing how small your dick is at the traffic light is a rather fine trade off.

@GloomGaiGar

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpaniardNL So why did VW act guilty the whole damn time and didn't try to explain it or fight back? Seems very strange.

@MMAli-rq8kd

2 жыл бұрын

@@GloomGaiGar *Volkswagen* designed the software in their diesel cars to recognize the parameters of the standard test and therefore output emissions that are vastly different from street performance. VW marketed their cars as environmentally friendly and lied to both consumers and regulators while selling cars that do not meet emission standards. That's why they acted guilty, recalled all of the affected cars and paid massive penalties.

@notverypog

2 жыл бұрын

Nah go for the PassionFruit ;)

0:37 i laughed so hard when the boss said that runs in the background and someone is running in the boss background 🤣

I would really like to know what you think on the possibility of diamond batteries being integrated into devices that currently use lithium ion batteries. Don't get me wrong, they (the batteries) are still in development, as far as I know. I'd just like to know your thoughts on them.

Classic Arun! Calling out real issues and spreading awareness. Love the vid

@rayaanmohammad

2 жыл бұрын

Don't reply to this guy it's a fake account trying to scam people

@CactuarKnight

2 жыл бұрын

And yet where are all the Anti consumer policy videos from Arun about Apple...?

I love how this was just posted 2 minutes ago and it has over 77k views already u just see how far Mrwhosetheboss channel has grown

@trinity_s1ayer672

2 жыл бұрын

Tru

@wizjaz2512

2 жыл бұрын

17 mins have passed and only 58k. How did u even see a 77k

@jellalfernandez46

2 жыл бұрын

More than 20 min 60k till now 🙄

@meggyyyyyj

2 жыл бұрын

@@wizjaz2512 oops I made a mistake but my point still stands 🤷

It would be interesting if you covered the S22 before and after the GOS is disabled. Also, what are the chances of what you said about chipmakers happening? Probably none lol.

great video as always. spelling mistake at 3:17

Clearly everyone is here for this 5:02