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The Rustiest Citroën GS? Car & Classic: EXTRA
We're sure you've seen our Jaguar video in which our intrepid presenters, Chris Pollitt and Jonny Smith unearth what has to be the rustiest Jaguar in the world?
Well, while digging, they found another car. And that means bonus footage for you!Cast your eyes over what might be the most rusty, forgotten 1972 Citroën GS in the world. And important car, the GS is celebrating its 50th birthday this year, so what better way to celebrate that than by digging up a rusty one!
As with the Jaguar, if you're watching this and you think the car could yield useful parts, email chris.pollitt@carandclassic.co.uk
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My mum had a GS in the late 70's . It was the most comfortable I ever drove . At the time I had a '76 Triumph Stag and as a result I ended up driving the Ds more than my mum did . I loved it , it was way ahead of its time .
It breaks my heart that cars such as the Jag and this Citroen were just left to rot. I mean no disrespect to anyone, but really, this is just awful. What a dreadful shame.
@petelattimer6808
4 жыл бұрын
happens all over the place. i know of 4 Land Rovers/Range Rovers in various states and by all accounts the owner is letting them rot in a shed rather than sell them for a sensible price
@ville9186
4 жыл бұрын
Better in forests than scrapped
@petelattimer6808
4 жыл бұрын
@@ville9186 the state its in, it might as well be scrapped. its beyond salvaging, by the looks of it!
@Lemma01
2 жыл бұрын
You're right: there's a point at which common sense says - please take this off my hands. Speaking as one who gave away my Lotus Excel to a kid who restored it, rather than take 400 quid from a breaker...
We still have a Y reg GSA Pallas. Parents bought it nearly new and we took it to Spain and France every year on family holidays. Very comfortable car. Happy memories and so glad we never got rid of it.
I loved my GS Pallas. It was semi-automatic with three forward gears. So smooth to drive. Succumbed to rust in the end.
Man, hope you cover more cars on that yard. There's literally years of video worth in all the cars there.
@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge
4 жыл бұрын
@@clintonepps3666 I doubt that more than maybe 2 or 3 cars on there are good enough to be projects, but a good deal of parts on whatever is left.
Oooh! Crusty! Convertisseur means semi-automatic, later C-matic. Like an NSU Ro80.
@danmackintosh6325
4 жыл бұрын
Also like the RO80, the GS was available with a rotary engine, the Birotor... Wouldn't that be something, a Birotor Convertisseur.
@simes205
4 жыл бұрын
dan mackintosh there’s a birotor for sale for 30k.
@conesuela1
4 жыл бұрын
My father had a beautiful bronze coloured 1974 GS pallas convertisseur, sheer luxury, can you imagine the excitement of a small child when his dad came home with that, it was like a spaceship, amazingly comfortable. Sadly it spent most of it's time breaking down, ended up scrapping it, it must have only been about 5 years old, sad times, replaced it with a Cortina 2.0 S with stripey seats, black bumpers and spotlights though so not all bad.
@petelattimer6808
4 жыл бұрын
@@conesuela1 oddly we replaced ours with a Cortina as well, but ours was a basic 1.6L but it had the wheels on it from a GL. we (as a family) rated the Cortina as a FAR better car
@kruleworld
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, Hubnut! didn't expect to see you here. then again, this is right up your alley. i just watched your Hobbiton tour video.
My Dad loved em, had three the last one was an ex show car for the Scottish motor show. It had gloss black paint with red pinstripe, the interior was brown... it was the most comfortable car I have ever sat in and the soundproofing! You could not hear the mighty roar of the 1.3 beast.
What a find... This GS has got all the early details such as the Ami 8 door handles and the early 1015 engine with the first version of intake manifold. And it's a Convertisseur. Such a lovely car 👌🌟😊
I was only 8 in 72 but these must have looked like something from the future back then. I always loved the looks. They still look current now, just 2/3rds scale compared to everything now.
Only just found this channel. Superb. Now watching all the back videos. Keep it up!
my dad had a canary yellow GS back I the 80s. Learned alot as a lad working on it with him. Inboard discs with calipers mounted on the gearbox, hand break on the front wheels too. really were ahead of the times
Loving this type of carceaology video, reminds me of when we used to be able to wander around the local scrapyard vaguely looking for a piece of trim but really just noseying at that crusty Zodiac and sniffing the old leather and mold in a nearly complete Wolselely..
So also looked my Citroën GS after I had it for a few years, that's why so few of them are left! I myself in the '90-ties had a specialized Citroën workshop and I had always a lot of work, because other workshops didn't understand the hydro-pneumatic suspension and many other special GS (CX, etc.) solutions! In fact everything was very simple if you took the to understand to working op something! was a great time for me, but not always for our clients unfortunatly, regular clients had a discount so we kept them as client!
Just do a series of digging these cars out lol its amazing
GS never had a hatchback GSA was a hatchback! My dad had a saloon and estate in period, my grandad had a GSA.
@CarClassicTV
4 жыл бұрын
Top information there, thank you. We didn't know it was there until we tripped over it, so time to research was minimal!
@petelattimer6808
4 жыл бұрын
agreed. we had a mid 70s (1975 from memory, it was N registration) GS Pallas in around 1980 and a friend had a GSA Pallas (which was, W registration, i believe) they were average in their time, as a car, even if they were quirky and futuristic. they were prone to LHM pipes rusting through (as ours did) when not very old. they also had a handle in the toolkit that you could 'hand crank' the engine if the starter failed or battery was flat, to get you going.
@Andy-eo3mq
Жыл бұрын
@@CarClassicTV What happened to this GS in the end, do you know?
Loving these videos, Chris!
My father had a GS Pallas in silver - best car ever!
Love the show lads, I don’t really know much mechanically about cars but love anything to do with them, especially when they have been sitting around for yonks Brill 👍
Great little video . Family have had a few of these . Dad had a gsa . Brother brought a gs to learn to drive in and later as a student in Manchester had a gsa. I bought an old gs to run round in when my ax was off the road being repaired after an accident. No courtesy cars in those days !
Love videos like this
There are about 50 taxed GS in the UK and a similar number of GSA. Not all rusted away: my late GS is virtually unrestored and has done less than 30000 miles in just over 40 years.
Keep these coming great content 👌💯
Still looks better than their modern designs, make these Citroen.
Keep doing these vids man love em
My great grandma had one of these from 1975 to 1978 - a brown Pallas. Her previous car was a yellow Mk1 Ford Escort and she wanted to upgrade to the Mk2 when it came out. So she bought a purple Mk2 but as soon as she drove it back home it was spewing oil onto the drive way. So back that went and the new top of the line Pallas became the true replacement. I wasn’t there in 1975 but my grandad, who drove it back from the dealer said that it felt space age (lightyears ahead from anything the British motor industry was doing at the time). And apparently the only thing that went wrong with it was one of the hydropneumatic spheres - that was it, no engine troubles at all. So it’s really nice to see some care going into the car that started my family’s love of Citroens. On a side note, if on any of these farms you spot a 1950 Land Rover with the reg OPA566, please let me know. It was my grandad’s first car (it’s believed that he was the first person to fit a V8 into an original Land Rover 80) and I’m positive it’s still out there somewhere, even if it was last taxed in 1992.
I really love these videos, can we see more of this place, and more of these 'finds' ? I don't own any of these cars, and have no interest in spares (unless there's an XJ40/V12 Series 3 kicking around) I just love the content!
AAhhh memories, i had a sky blue one, loved the suspension..
@julienbee3467
4 жыл бұрын
Did you keep it long ?
@Solderwire
4 жыл бұрын
@@julienbee3467 Yes about 3 years
My Dad had the GS 1220cc Estate. It was a brilliant car with the hydrolastic suspension with different height settings. He used to tow a 14 foot caravan fully loaded and drag it onto the sand dunes for our summer holidays in the West of Ireland 😀
I bought a white 1220 Club version in 1973. It handled pretty well and I thought it looked wonderful. All of that bright work has survived because it was made from stainless steel. I considered buying another one which was used, in the mid 1980s. I took it out for a test drive on my own - and on close inspection I was disappointed when the screwdriver with which I prodded the sill, disappeared into it. Nevertheless, I only have fond memories of the GS.
Drove down to the South of France in 1982 in a GSA, It was bought in Holland so was LHD. Never registered it in the UK as we had a poorly 1978 GS that was, so we just swapped the registration plates. Both cars were the same colour. On the way down the GSA decided to part with the exhaust so we stopped in a small village called Bully (pronounced booie apparently?) There was one garage in the whole village but the guy running it said to leave it with him and go for breakfast. We did and 2 hours later he had it welded up and charged us 30 franks (prior to euros) which translated to about £3!. The thing never missed a beat after that and we returned 2 weeks later. Couldn't fault it.
I had a K Reg GS in mid 70s I loved it, unfortunately its doors rotted from the bottom upwards. But still loved and would have another!
What a shame. Loved the GS. It's an auto. The later GSA was a hatch, the early ones were all with a boot. I tried really hard to persuade my dad to get one but he bought a Hilman Hunter 1500 DL instead. Whoopeee!
@pierrechristian6767
3 жыл бұрын
Semi-auto, fluid flywheel no hydraulic brain to shift gears very simple set up, hated the one in my CX2400, it was a dog of a shifter no matter how many times I adjusted it.
Came here from Johnny's channel. Good stuff
Bought a Brand New G-Special in about 1978 for 2,800 GBP. I loved the interior and the comfort, but it was a dog to drive. Had to slip the clutch on corners to stop it juddering. Kept it 5 years by which time it was taking 2 or 3 minutes to pump up. I lived near the sea, and when I sold it/traded it in for 500 GBP , not a single panel didn't have rust. Front wing was just that, flapping in the wind. Quirks: Parked against a slight bank, then couldn't get the door open when I returned as the suspension had deflated. Drove through a large puddle. Water hit the engine and vaporized, then got sucked into the heating system - if you could call it that - and instantly made the screen opaque. Front inboard brakes were a nightmare to adjust. Once found the dealer had left an old wing mirror down there when they serviced it. Went German after the French Experience.
My Mother had a GS Club, gorgeous floaty ride, almost of of this world.
By the way, the shiny bits didn't rust because they were made in stainless steel. All those trim pieces are hard to find nowadays, as I know all too well from having owned a GS, as you may have seen on Twitter. I love those cars to bits, such an underrated classic.
@smoore9050
4 жыл бұрын
Inox!
Nice Video ! Nice music on opening (with whistle, which is?) loved it; Thanks for sharing, oscar;
Any updates here? You guys have great quality content!
Sad to see. My first car was a red 1978 GSpecial with the 1129 cc engine. Loved it.
@pierrechristian6767
3 жыл бұрын
A 1220?
did my apprenticeship on citroen GS DS etc good times.
I learned to drive in my Dads GS Convertisseur in 75. Electric heater, instant on a cold morning, radio fore/aft between the seats, very very comfy, weird but functional semi auto box (no clutch pedal), instrument panel just like this one, very cool. It classed as an auto in the U.K. so I had to take my test in a BSM Mk I Escort 1100 manual.
Hello! First 1970 GS were hatchbacks. In 1971, you could also opt for a station wagon form. With later GSA came the first tailgate or 5 doors form. Convertisseur means you had some automatic hydraulic clutch (Verto) and a traditional 3 speed gearbox: this hydraulic "torque converter" was interesting as you could drive like most mechanical automatic gearbox, but with a more traditional gearbox. Later versions also introduced full automated gearboxes, but these models were too costly and suffered from the small motors with poor results. This motor is apparently the 1,3 liter flat four, (and not the NSU rotary Wankel turbine), with double corpse Weber carburetor. Air cooling plates and ducts are missing, and someone opened the cylinders, so you can expect something really bad happened to this motor, and many parts are missing. However, like 2CV, it's "easy" to rebuild, and enhance! You can suppose it was a special high end early serie with it's special aluminium dashboard. The seats are also special with their head rests. Other series had an even stranger odometer in a square visor, and no Led indicators. With last GSA, you also had some special commands in 2 "satellites". The hand break (front wheels), was a large handle (with a trigger) in the middle of the front panel. This red GS perfectly illustrate the main problem with 1970's Citroen: the rust! It was a joke in France to change the ad "Citroen roule pour vous" in "Citroën rouille (rusts) pour vous". In the early 80's, this rust problem was partly solved in the GSA series, but real advances were really made with it's successor BX.
First car we had was a GS, the estate version, great design best seats I ever had. did loads of miles in it, slept in it and shifted loads of stuff around. Called it the worker ant, found a roof rack in a skip and bolted it on. Always carrying stuff about and for it's size, cheap to run. Did off road it a bit with the hydraulic suspension on wheel change (top setting) had great clearance but a bastard to bump start if it was down. A real dart looking car when you think most other cars at the time went boxy MK3 Escort Mercs, BMW, and the Japanese, styles dead square. The bigger CX Estate with the raised rear roof was a beast, looked like a Bull Shark. and went fast. Cheers
We have two GS’s (his and hers!) if the parts are going for nothing or next to nothing we’d come and salvage (where is it?). Fab vid! All GS and GS/A had flat-four air cooled engines and they all would’ve been hatchback but thanks to snobbery of the early 70s the GS hatch was converted last minute (and poorly) to ‘saloon’. The hatchback eventually making it on the GSA later when they realised how daft the saloon was!
@demportboy1584
4 жыл бұрын
How are you off for shirts and underpants.
@demportboy1584
4 жыл бұрын
@Blue When I read it I had read it again, surely they wouldn't have the front to put in print.
I had an estate GS,such a useful car and so smooth on the road,very few left now,some good spares here.
A good old Lancashire registration plate. My GS Club was ATF 494L.
I had an N reg GS 1220 Club - fab car but quite high maintenance due to previous owner not servicing regularly which is absolutely required for an air cooled motor.
The first-gen GS was not a hatchback. The convertisseur badge refers to the semi-auto transmission.
....glad you dug this out after the Jag MK7! But....all you will get off that, will be the glass, a few instruments, and maybe the seats.
Oh nice video bro
R.I.P. pauvre GS, dommage...
Gawd!.... Just weep for that beautiful, stylish car!...... 😭
Loved my GS
@Steve-gc5nt
2 жыл бұрын
Hated mine
Why do I never find land Rover cabs sitting around? Been looking for one for years! That GS is lovely. Had three or four of them growing up. My dad still only has citroëns. He's always had at least three of every type he drives at any one time. One to drive and the others for parts as they break down!
As an owner of four beautiful Citroen GSes, that was a sad video to watch!
Convertisseur means it has a torque converter semi-automatic transmission. You change gear with a regular gear shift but there is no clutch pedal. The torque converter contains a small clutch that is electrically operated - when you move the gear lever, the clutch releases, when you let go of the gear lever the clutch re-engages. I had one, it was wonderful. The convertisseurs have 3 speed gearbox, the manuals have 4 speed. So sad to see it in this state, should have come with a warning: "Citroen lovers avert your eyes!"
Hope to see updates on this property after it’s all cleaned up. And knowing that all the vehicles Have found a good home
A car that is a head of the times in so many ways never a racing car but had many major comforts 👍👍👍😜🏴🦄🎣😁✌️
I had a GS estate in the same colour. Wish I still had it.
I ❤️ Citroen and Hubnut done a lot of reviews on em.😀
I never seen this passed years a GS riding on the french roads. This model is very rare.
@riejurv50
4 жыл бұрын
Not that rare... I live in Catalonia and you can still find them for sale in driving condition and quite cheap... As a Citroen lover and ex citroen worker I've thought about one many many times, by now I have a Dyane 6 (daily driver) a Citroen AZU and a '64 Ds-19, love them. A friend of mine was given a blue GS X2... It was a beauty and had wonderful handling, it was fast too!!
Certainly love for yous guys ta get me that steering wheel !
Some info about the GS birotor. 847 build of wich 672 where sold. Around 300 still exist. Mostly privatly owned.
More videoes like this !
The GS was originally introduced to compete with the R16 from Renault. The thoughts were to introduce the then new Wankel engine for the GS, there has been a GS- Bi-rotor which had the same wide track as the later CX, but Wankel engines were not reliable and were very bad in fuel consumption. Those GS Bi-Rotors did over 100 mph easily. The first model GS had a 1015 cc boxer engine, but because the Wankel engine was no success, they later added a 1220 cc engine for the GS and they even added a bright orange GTI avant la lettre called the GSX. The GS was available as a saloon, an estate and a panel van. This dashboard is from a GSX or a later model, these earlier models had a speedo like cyclops eye and a square rev-counter. I had an estate as a company car to deliver one arm bandits, the great thing was that the loading floor was 100% flat as the rear bumper mid section was integrated in the tailgate and the car would level itself out, my collegue hated me, he had a Ford Taunus (Cortina) 1600 estate which was much much faster but simply could not keep up with the GS regarding road holding and brakes, he was no match for me !
Loved my GSA! Scrapped due to rust! Residue from trees is acidic hence the topside damage.
I'm in the States and recently got turned on to Citroens. Marvels of engineering but apparently you could almost watch them rust not unlike American cars of the same era. Ashame so many were made and so few left.
They drove well. Not the fastest through the gears, but a good top speed for motorways etc. Also very reliable. Did a good few thousand miles in one and it never missed a beat. Later ones, I think from about '81 had the space age dashboard with the wacky speedo, but the earlier ones had less to go wrong...
Oh dear! All that chrome trim is stainless steel. Convertisseur or C-matic as it was later called refers to the semi automatic transmission, nothing to do with the boot. All GS were saloons the GSA with the plastic bumpers was the hatchback
When citroen had bough , panhard levassor , they got the project engine of the GS. It' was my first car , first model of gs 1050 cc engine, Without electronic ignition, with ball for speedometer , very good car , the best framing that you can imagine. Old french mecanic men havent the spécial matter to go over 160 km/h, with more accéllération .It wasn't the right engine préconisation of the spares parts citroen but very funny, without problem for engine.. I think it was the latest funny hydraulical cheapest citroen. Sorry for my frogglish Sincerely yours.
My first car was a light blue GS Special estate bought second hand from a farmer who kept the back seats down so his labradors had lots of space. A free revving flat 4 engine, dials and switches galore, the radio sideways between the front seats. Great apart from the willingness for the wheel arches to rust and if you got stuck behind someone doing 50mph there was not the power to overtake unless there was a very long straight.
trouvaille sympa
This is soon to be off to a new home - to help other GS's live on
My mother had two of these, estates with 1220cc engines, I think. They were inspired by a design exercise by Pininfarina for Rover. Air cooled and very easy to drive.
Citroen GS were almost that rusty after three years. I had a love/hate relation with mine. It was surprisingly comfortable and fun to drive. The low point was whenever I had to work on the engine; one nightmare that comes to mind was lying in the gutter when it was snowing on Christmas Eve, with one wheel on the pavement, while attempting to fix a leaking oil filter. Changing one of the spark plugs was bordering on impossible without removing the entire headlight assembly.
I hope "GS" owner(s) got to get some vitals off that old girl...way too far gone but a car I remember in my youth (My teacher had one when at primary school 1978-9ish) I hope it's donated rather than just continue to die. As always, fabulous film.
Might sound mad but I'd love to come help you guys 😁 soo much cool old school stuff
My Dad and brother both had GS, citroens, back in the day, nice and comfy if unspectacular, dash was cool though, Deffo not hatchbacks, not sure about later versions.
These wold be a dream to have as a Daily for me if it was in a decent condition...
Guys! Just that speedo-console is a rare item to get nowadays!! It is not the most common instrument panel version in GS´s. And if that is a 5-speed model, there you have it, all the money needed from the salvage if you pick it up. I have driven multiple Ami Super based 2CV´s, Dyanes and AK´s and still I think that GS in general would need more attention as a model. Long lasting engines and gearboxes. Yes, the oil leaks were the common problem but there are ways to make it better. Even those piston heads are good starting point for 1600cc GS-flat four...think about it ;)
@user-sw1jr9ig1l
6 ай бұрын
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@user-sw1jr9ig1l
6 ай бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/d52Jt8addcLAptI.html
Love those seventies French dashboards
It really isn’t like “2 2CV engines stuck together”. That’s a bit like saying that a Rover V8 engine was like two Morris Marina engines stuck together! The 2CV engine was ancient (brilliant in its own way, but ancient) with pushrods and no distributor. The GS engine was totally new for this car, had overhead camshafts and a distributor. I suspect that the material of each engine may have had big differences too.
0:50 you're talking about the GS Birotor. 850 build and over 600 where actually sold. But the partnership between Citroën and NSU failed, and the rotary engine proved to be unreliable. Citroën didn't want to keep supporting the car so they destroyed the unsold cars and gave customers a choice: we will give you a massive discount on trading in your GS Birotor for a brandnew CX, or sign this piece of paper that says you no longer have any warranty. The traded in cars where parked in a carpark outside and left to rot and a hole punched in the engine block to prevent anyone stealing them. About 250 people chose to keep their GS Birotor so there's still a few of them around (way more then 4 or 5 anyway), but they are rare.
Interesting video on a rare French classic
Such a shame. What a cool car that would be to have around.
Thee was also a 3dr van vetsion and a 5dr stationwagon aka 'break' I remember that these cars often had voltage regulator failure.
@chrisskelhorn5727
4 жыл бұрын
There were also some pickup versions! A Citroen garage in Huntingdon had one! :-)
@mattblack6414
3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisskelhorn5727 Probably a home made job, in the eighties I worked in a garage and one of the gaffers ran CX estates. We chopped one into a 4 door crew cab pickup, the plan was to put a breakdown crane in the back but it never happened...
This should be restored
@CarClassicTV
4 жыл бұрын
It's honestly too far gone. It'll fall apart if moved.
@TheGramophoneGirl
4 жыл бұрын
@@CarClassicTV That's such a shame as I've never seen one before and I can't imagine there are (m)any rhd versions left.
@smoore9050
4 жыл бұрын
Go on I dare you!
When was the last time I saw one of these
Convertisseur was a 3 speed gearbox no clutch pedal!
@pierrechristian6767
3 жыл бұрын
Fluid fly wheel.
I was hoping for an extraction, like the Jag!
To much rust cannot resist purchasing
Citroen built over 800 GS Birotors. There are survivors, I was fortunate enough to be a passenger in one of them. Citroen bought most of them back, reasons not entirely clear, and destroyed them. The flat four is NOT based on the 2CV engine, it has overhead cams, belt driven. 2CV engine is a pushrod engine.
Restore it and you have the best car on earth😊
Great parts car the Citroen GS is
I had one of those gs in baby blue, used to deliver pizzas in it to pay off my university fees..
The blue van is a 60's/70's Austin J4.
@MrSofakinggreat
4 жыл бұрын
Or an early sherpa?. The rear end was very similar.
@paulbennell3313
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrSofakinggreat Sherpa has bigger rear windows. Other than that, yes, they're identical.
@BungleBare
3 жыл бұрын
Paul Bennell Early Sherpas were pretty much a J4 shell with a Transit-like snout (to move the engine out from under the cab) and a few minor changes to the shell. The roof, windscreen, and everything from the passenger doors back was more-or-less just carried over from one model to the next. Given that the Sherpa became (via a few models in between) the LDV Pilot, that lasted until 2006, the J4 basically lasted into its 5th decade.
@paulbennell3313
3 жыл бұрын
@@BungleBare I know, I really don't know why I said they're identical!
@BungleBare
3 жыл бұрын
Paul Bennell In fairness, 3/4 of a Sherpa is pretty much still just a J4. Not far off identical to me - especially as the shot of it in the video is from the back. 😉
Hello Hubnut I gave a GS 1220 1973 4 speed away last year some rust and was a great wee car I have had 4 of them a GSA was the last the dash in the GS was amazing, I would if given the chance buy another there is one south of me for NZ$6000.00 with electric power steering
I don’t understand why farmers always say how poor they are yet haven’t even taken advantage when scrap value were high. Such a waste
@davidtaylor2131
4 жыл бұрын
Tho... if scrapped they had been, these guys would be out of a job, still its french so let it rust in pieces...
I wonder what was in the box in the back trunk. He didnt want to open it i dont know why.
Theres one of those in regular use near where I live in kent.....the female owner also has a CV....her boyfriend has a later model citroen....but he also owns a citroen Ami