@JayzTwoCents - I am a radio-frequency engineer specializing in RF filter design, and your observation makes total sense. One of things may computer users is that when you have computers with high frequencies, you have radio waves (aka EMC/Noise). The reason the MTCC is that they are capacitors all the way to 10,000 MHz! Those MTCC capacitors are formed to a very controlled RF Filter to keep the noise out of rest of the video card. If you use those larger capacitors, you have no filtering above it's self-resonating frequency, which may be as low as 1200 MHz! As a result, the higher frequency clock signal - and its noise - will get right into the system and that filter is invisible to it. Therefore, that "Boost Clock" is the problem.

@lerzide

3 жыл бұрын

huh?

@Papita

3 жыл бұрын

@@lerzide Yes did you not read?

@Roekoe_

3 жыл бұрын

Props to Jay for actually looking into the comments, and pinning a viewer comment **VERY RARE**

@hurley2609

3 жыл бұрын

I love comments like this, cheers to jay for pinning this and cheers to Kevin Gaukel for telling us

@Nibiru999

3 жыл бұрын

Harmonic frequencies are a biatch.

Guess it's a blessing in disguise that it was too hard to get one of these lol.

@RedCharacter

3 жыл бұрын

bakerXderek ayoo cheahhhh

@sold0ut210

3 жыл бұрын

Never buy products that have not been reviewed or tested.

@goldcd

3 жыл бұрын

Yes - I'm now pretending to myself I made a wise and voluntary decision.

@Ben7seven7

3 жыл бұрын

You can say that 5 times fast!

@Leon-Jordan

3 жыл бұрын

yooo cheahh do a pc video i wanna see your setup!

In a perfect world the headline reads: "Scalpers Stuck with Defective GPU's"

@mitchellcochran4338

3 жыл бұрын

Scalp these high dollar GPUs! Make the tried and true cheaper. More power, brother!

@LowStuff

3 жыл бұрын

The cards themselves are fine. They work within NVIDIA specs. So far it seems boosting/OC is only an issue when it comes close to 2 Ghz and on cards that that only have POSCAPS. Cards with one or more sets of MLCCs have less or no issues. What needs to be seen is wether NVIDIAs reference gave out unclear info or if the AIB partners cheaped out and tried to skip on an MLCC that is ultimately needed. Another issue that needs to be revisioned is the required secrecy prior to launch. GPUs were only tested in a technical sense, but the interaction with the driver was impossible to test for the AIB partners until very close to launch. Either NVIDIA and AMD will have to put more trust into their AIB partners or they will have to find a secure way to offer AIB partners earlier access to the software side.

@redstonminecraftyt3051

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHA GOOD FOR THEM LOL

@TsumitaTenshi

3 жыл бұрын

Literally LOL...

@worthlessguy7477

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly not everyone know that scalpers cards might be defective.

The early bird gets the turd.

@fakepixilord

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated 😂

@not_a_bot1987

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao🤣🤣

@ggharshly2826

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment in the world.

@trashcan8769

3 жыл бұрын

The late bird gets the gift

@lukerlzy1129

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

FYI, for the 10% chance someone reads this, none of this ended up being true, it was fixed in a driver by nvidia

@ronswanson8229

3 жыл бұрын

That's good news, do you have a source?

@LightPillar

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronswanson8229 There was a driver update. There never was a hardware issue on released hardware. Internally in testing there may have been but that's what testing is all about. Hardware sold to consumers never had an issue. Link below for the driver update: www.extremetech.com/gaming/315714-nvidia-aib-vendors-update-drivers-to-fix-rtx-3080-3090-instability Here is Jacob talking about the supposed issue: "There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped." Link Below forums.evga.com/Message-about-EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3080-POSCAPs-m3095238.aspx So like the 2000 series all it turned out to be was driver instability. Same thing with the 5000 series AMD cards, except that took AMD the better part of a year to fix.

@ChrissonatorOFL

2 жыл бұрын

What did the driver correct?

@AliasNotInUse

2 жыл бұрын

nah still happening today with latest drivers :)) I have to underclock my 3080 by -50 Mhz to avoid crash in any game. My card has just 1 of those expensive thingy whatnots. It stays close to 2000 + - 20 Mhz so I can`t complain.

@endame90

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrissonatorOFL As far as I know Nvidia's fix was to limit the boost frequencies so not really a fix.

Weirdly enough, I hope that means people don’t buy the 3080 yet and all those scalpers get stuck with a bunch of less than desirable cards lol

@kishona69

3 жыл бұрын

That would be GLORIOUS!

@damboulton

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, one loss on a release would probably only stop first time scalpers from doing it again, as much as I wish they didn’t exist. How hard is it for Nvidia to put some kind of anti bot protection into their purchase processes though? When you’re a ground-breaking tech company it’s a lot less understandable to have these kind of issues.

@thehotdogman9317

3 жыл бұрын

I hate to beg your pardon but what is a scalper again?

@Hackedpw

3 жыл бұрын

@@thehotdogman9317 scalpers are people who use bots to buy lots of the same "limited" product(s) and then sell them on eBay (for an example) for higher price

@seyahtan24

3 жыл бұрын

@@thehotdogman9317 buying a lot of it until it's sold out then sells it to others with ridiculous prices.

Asus constantly, going the extra mile and in this case coming up smelling of roses. Credit where credit is due.

@SlowMenWorking

3 жыл бұрын

I have to RMA my 2070 this week to them. Hopefully the process goes smooth.

@cosmiclikesminecraft

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m just waiting for a good ol Asus brand card

@PastaFinder

3 жыл бұрын

Bal'a dash, malanore.

@silver2394

3 жыл бұрын

@@SlowMenWorking lol good luck I had to RMA my 2080ti 4 times before they sent me back one that actually worked

@lolliman21

3 жыл бұрын

why do you say that?

new respect for the ASUS TUF branding after this segment. Didn't have any opinions of that brand before..

@RobertFierce

3 жыл бұрын

Don't wanna jinx it but Asus has ALWAYS put expensive components and smart design in their builds. That's why ASUS hardware always costs more. They don't even beat around the bush about it. They always show and tell what they are selling you, months before the products even come out for sale. Just look any ASUS mobo video from the official ASUS channel on youtube and you'll see what I mean.

@gabriellandry1962

3 жыл бұрын

I personally have come to trust Asus more so than other brands I have been using there components for well over 10 years now my oldest component from Them still in operation being a DDr3 board from 12 years ago

@mikeanaro

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but their cards blow up just as any other brand, happened to my 8600GT, 780 and my friend´s 770 too and we are not messing around with OC.

@mikeanaro

3 жыл бұрын

@@bcp6524 Exactly, there is no need to put them on a pedestal, their stuff is injury prone as much as the other brands, my Core2Duo board blew up after 5 years and it was a Deluxe.

@randomgamer285

3 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Landry I get that I have a p9x76 pro with an i7 - 3600k it’s 11 years old and still runs

This is why you wait for reviews before impulse buying whatever is available.

@DayLateGamerWill

3 жыл бұрын

Also another good reason to *always* wait for revision 2 of the hardware, which in this case *might* be hardware partners. But yeah, I *always* wait for the second iteration of hardware, that way the really nasty bugs are (generally) sorted out by then

@RetinaBurner

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me glad I chose to wait to see how the cards actually pan out. But then, I've never been much of a bandwagon hopper. So, there's that too.

@DBRONCOSfan

3 жыл бұрын

True, however someone has to beta test them... Otherwise the issue gets caught much later with many more out in the wild. Bleeding edge has its benefits and its negatives.

@dan_loup

3 жыл бұрын

You mean wait for the "unofficial beta testers"?

@jlu

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know why people were so desperate to get their hands on new GPUs ... fools

Every single year and when will people learn: Do NOT buy on launch!

@Biker_Gremling

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, remember when 2000 series cards played a̶s̶t̶e̶r̶o̶i̶d̶s̶ Space Invaders?

@gramblor1

3 жыл бұрын

Something like this happening is the major reason I had no interest in buying a card at launch.

@rogeesatburn2046

3 жыл бұрын

Todd Payton LMAO

@dtrcs9518

3 жыл бұрын

somebody has to buy it before us and find the problems, no amount of testing in house beats thousands of people using your product and finding bugs

@gashnal

3 жыл бұрын

Somebody has to buy on launch for these issues to come out. here is a better answer. dont try to use some shit brand and expect quality.

Turns out it was just Windows drivers.

That bit about the wireless mic causing GPU crashes... holy shit. I did not know it was THAT sensitive! Very fascinating.

@smugmode

3 жыл бұрын

But it's not... Causation != correlation, and Jay would make for a terrible scientist

@Battleneter

3 жыл бұрын

oh gear, please watch this, then do a thumbs down on this video, Jay is misleading a LOT of people like you refusing to take down this garbage video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/npytpcarkd2bZNY.html

@smugmode

3 жыл бұрын

@@ts757arse He had that removed. Sold it for beer money

@mannyfresh7065

3 жыл бұрын

Battleneter yup, I actually like Jay, but he clearly went for the clicks w out doing proper research

It’s kind of sad how Asus’s BUDGET card didn’t cheap out on capacitors, unlike cards well above msrp.

@stayfrost04

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the day TUF used to be the best quality hardware. Remember Sabertooth? Sadly Asus ruined the TUF branding relegating it to budget segment however it is refreshing to see TUF back where it started. Hopefully the quality stays with future generations and all other TUF produts.

@thealien_ali3382

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly all 6 are premium, which kinda shocked me, and is cheaper then the rest of the doornobs, Asus did awesome

@MrBazooka301

3 жыл бұрын

Lets just hope thier Strix card has not cheaped out

@Michal-c1g

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilikechicken89 render is wrong. Tuf has 6 premium.

@norzma

3 жыл бұрын

ASUS "budget" cards will be above MSRP within a month, as stated they get a rebate from nvidia for the first month to match MSRP.

Best advice : "Skip the first wave"

@ofiravramento3160

3 жыл бұрын

doent metter because as Jay said, they will probably won't remanufacture. Just devolt via bios

@BGENERGYBG

3 жыл бұрын

Like what Magneto say in X-Men - "In chess, the pawns go first"

@BGENERGYBG

3 жыл бұрын

@@ofiravramento3160 Yeah, but then the performance will drop and it will be very different. Maybe then some people will decide to buy different cards.

@commanderhopeful

3 жыл бұрын

Nah skip till 4080 comes out

@spacefleming5390

3 жыл бұрын

2nd best advice : "Destroy the like button for the KZread algorithm" 😂

I bought a 3070 aib card and had same issues. I had to undervolt it in msi afterburner to get it working. Voltage controll and precision boost cause a lot of instability.

Amazing review Jay and Igor's lab work, suprised about iGame as it seems promissing they actually work on quality testing, we'll see if what they do (or did) about it

It's shitty because the cards get reviewed initially with the higher boost clocks, so if firmware comes along to reduce clocks, prospective buyers are misled by the high benches.

@RWoody1995

3 жыл бұрын

As long as they're stable at the advertised boost clock (which seems to be the case as the instability is coming from GPU Boost's ability to go beyond the advertised boost clock) they're fine, with the firmware nerf they'll still be within the margin you should be expecting as a buyer as it's possible for any card even without this issue to have a max boost speed equal to the advertised one.

@haukionkannel

3 жыл бұрын

Good review sites will make new benches to cards that gets reduced clocks! Don`t follow bad tech sites!

@massacre072885

3 жыл бұрын

@@RWoody1995 What you said has nothing to do with the issue I addressed.

@massacre072885

3 жыл бұрын

@@haukionkannel It's only good if they delete the old content with the artificially high benches. Otherwise people may still be misled.

@fafski1199

3 жыл бұрын

Like he said It might only be a case of the AIB's in question reducing the clocks by just 25-50mhz. If so, then you're talking a 2% to 3% reduction to performance at most. Which If you where doing say 120fps @4K, would equate to just 4fps less. You've usually got somewhere around a 4-6% difference, between the best and worst preforming AIB cards, anyway.

Thank you for giving all the credit to Igor! I work with him on a regular basis, doing reviews and other articles and this guy really deserves a bigger audience. This is not the first time he has made discoveries like this one, and it happens quite often that other tech jurnalists just copy his findings without giving him credit. I doubt that you will see this comment, but still, thank you for that.

@theduskwoodsnuffer2569

3 жыл бұрын

I've never heard of igorslab. I'll check it out!

@wtfman1217

3 жыл бұрын

U got proof u work with him?

@Dunkelstrasse

3 жыл бұрын

@@wtfman1217 If you go to the website one of the newest posts is a review of the new Corsair K60 RGB Pro. I wrote it, iook the pictures and published it. If you doubght it, klick on the author and see my other articles...

Super good vid. Learned alot

I love this channel! Thank you for the info videos.

Imagine paying $1500 dollars to scalpers for a aib 3080 that crashes the second you play a game.

@fortunefed8719

3 жыл бұрын

imagine paying $1500 for an $800 card

@alexanderl9985

3 жыл бұрын

My 3080 works perfekt :D

@Starkimonde

3 жыл бұрын

Curious what does aib stand for? Edit: Add in Board, got it.

@jframe9715

3 жыл бұрын

Don't need to pay much money to the scalpers as they are selling you a second hand Graphic Card. Offer them less then the original price if they don't accept the price you offer them let them keep the Graphic Card.

@Run187

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine being stupid enough to pay a scalper..

Personally I'd like to say thank you to all the people who waited in line for days to get these cards at launch and find all the bugs for us that are patient and waited for reviews.

@jwlafferty

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. I went to the store at 11 am on release day and skipped the line. Heard from the store clerk that they didn't even get a single 3080 in (major PC component store). One of the dudes left almost in tears. All standing in line from 6am got them was a pre-order (which the store was doing now that the release date had passed).

@Freak80MC

3 жыл бұрын

It's like this for every launch of a new tech product. Gotta thank those who wanna rush getting it for being our beta testers! :D

@TheLastEpiscopalian

3 жыл бұрын

Freak80MC the most loyal and trusting are the ones to be punished

@OriginalMergatroid

3 жыл бұрын

Unless they purchased a reference card.

@SouthSideChiTown

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLastEpiscopalian Stop playing the victim. It's common knowledge that shortcomings and bugs are revealed when new Tech is released into the consumer market. With most people knowing this, the most naive are the ones to be punished. That's why I'm sticking with my $600 2070 super FTW 3 until they get the bugs worked out of the 30 series.

12:30 That laught behind the camera...hahaha

FE - better made, lower price AIB - worse made, higher price (and they even cut corners) wtf is this

@crozess7032

3 жыл бұрын

What does FE and AIB stand for

@beefybingus3236

3 жыл бұрын

@@crozess7032 FE is founders edition and AIB are all the other cards

@walkieer

3 жыл бұрын

Nvidia fucked them on purpose by giving themselves a head start.

@damyr55

3 жыл бұрын

@@walkieer On top of that, there's strict guidelines from NVidia, how OEMs can build their cards (minimum specs and such). Overall it's mismanagement on Nvidia's part, that caused these problems.

@TheSydguy30

3 жыл бұрын

Greed.

Oh boy, imagine being one of those who actually bought one of these buggy cards at a ridiculous price from a scalper.

@Momotaro0125

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't buy from a scalper but imagine waiting outside microcenter for 24 hours to buy a 3090 and find out that Zotac decides to cheap out on a 1500$ card. That's just fking evil. And yes, they used the same capacitor layout from the 3080.

@Grubiantoll

3 жыл бұрын

@@Momotaro0125 na, for 3090 you had to wait 48-72 hours outside the microcenter

@Momotaro0125

3 жыл бұрын

@@Grubiantoll There's actually 2 Microcenters nearby where I live and the population isn't high overall. The one in Rockville, MD had 16 cards and the one close to me (Fairfax, Va) had 12. I was the 11th person in the line and I showed up around 11am on Wednesday. So no, you didn't have to wait 48 hours for a card, it just depends on the density of the population. I know you're just a typical internet cynic but at least do your research before you call out someone.

@user-zq4ec5xp7t

3 жыл бұрын

SERVES EM RIGHT! Dont buy from scalpers, and dont be a scalper!

@hellureitaalla5224

3 жыл бұрын

teaches them a lesson to not buy from scalpers

Very good video, both precise and informative.

"C state is power, P state is the actual clock" What genius came up with that? The same guy who named Greenland and Iceland?

@FaterialL

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@steveo21882

3 жыл бұрын

Well the guy who named Greenland Greenland was smart, unlike whoever switched up c and p

@RazorPhoenix7

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@nikodonnell3852

3 жыл бұрын

they did that to trick people back in the day

@BuffMyRadius

3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to hazard a guess that the letters were originally assigned in a different language and everything got beaten with the stupid stick during the transfer to English.

This is a very good Info Jay, thanks.

"the best graphic card... that COULD have been." Ouch.

@Flickstro

3 жыл бұрын

AIB 3080s: I coulda been a contendah..

@JuanGutierrez-zm9bv

3 жыл бұрын

Loved this quote

@simonj48

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, most people are struggling to get pre-orders down. The issue might be already fixed by the time mass pre-orders are fulfilled.

*"But at least you get something for your money, even if it's crap."* Best sales pitch since the guy who invented $0.99.

@petergriffin-cq5kw

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly that can be applied to the 3080s as well, maybe he learned from them xD Let's hope they fix the next wave of partner models. I really want to have choices when Navi comes out.

@timmyymmit615

3 жыл бұрын

since youve mentioned it, the price ending ith 99 was invented by Tomáš Baťa (the shoes salesmen) in the 20s

@RexGalilae

3 жыл бұрын

I guess the scalpers might wanna use the pitch now

@Paxmax

3 жыл бұрын

Dodgy advice: I'll buy that for a dollar!

@DarkHid3

3 жыл бұрын

Even with underclocking 3080, you will get better results than your 2080Ti.. ;)

No idea what was being said pre this video. Thanks mate. super informative

Okay it's been a year and I never got that birthday party invite

The 3080 tuf has everything for it literally. The price is 699$. lowest temps, extra hdmi, best power delivery.

@matthewsmith2385

3 жыл бұрын

YES YES YES

@jordanranstead3016

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree! People shouldn't hate on the TUF

@joshoa90210

3 жыл бұрын

And the strix has 6 of the cheaper power delivery array. So I wonder what gives there.

@coreyisabigpushover

3 жыл бұрын

Seems like Asus actually tried this time because their TUF series has been garbage in the past.

@Czarlol

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshoa90210 Nah. der8auer took one apart a couple days ago and it had 6 MLCC arrays. It's probable ASUS just needed a prototype to photograph for marketing.

“Demand for 3080 drops significantly as consumers wait for resolution from AIBs” *Scalpers*: Yes I have 27 3080s to submit for warranty

@milotherocket

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao that cracked me up. Just imagine some dude in a basement somewhere trying to apply for warranty for the same 30+ products

@jeepmanxj

3 жыл бұрын

They just submit it under 30 different names it isn't that hard.

@Safetytrousers

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeepmanxj 30 people living at the same address?

@TalesOfWar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Safetytrousers And same payment method lol.

@kylerickert2240

3 жыл бұрын

@@Safetytrousers What? You don't live in a 10,000 sqft house?

5:27 I love it, those electricity sounds are so calming.

Great video, thank You!

My 1080ti: We can play a little longer, dad? Me: A little longer, my son.

@nillerxxx

3 жыл бұрын

I hear yah😆🤘 The last card that made any damn sense

@thegoldenwolf274

3 жыл бұрын

My 1070 agrees

@sk8people51

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldenwolf274 1060 sc still going strong!

@mos4434

3 жыл бұрын

1050 2gb here

@goolie

3 жыл бұрын

lmaoooo

Igors lab is such a mvp

@Tony-yn5rr

3 жыл бұрын

Ginkoman2 *Nvidia is such a mvp for not cheeping out when it comes to building the cooler and board of the 3000 series. Better coolers and better boards!

@DanielMendozaDev

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tony-yn5rr They are NOT the MVP, they should've been way more strict and prevent AIB's from cheaping out on components in the first place. As a supplier you can set rules on what specifications are needed for the partners to be able to build using your product, this is just pitiful from both sides of the story.

@StormierNik

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tony-yn5rr why do you want to jerk off a company like this even when they make a mistake? It doesn't mean you have to hate them, but why do need to act like nothing's wrong and it's the opposite instead? Don't you want nvidia to improve and be better? There's nothing wrong with valid criticism and people who find flaws in a manufacter's product.

@mito-pb8qg

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanielMendozaDev Nonsense. All nVidia has to do is give minimum specs for stable use. If the partners decide to cut corners in power delivery and overclock the snot out of the cards at the same time (their(!) BIOS), that's entirely on them.

@DanielMendozaDev

3 жыл бұрын

@@mito-pb8qg They need to enforce MINIMUM specs, at the end of the day this affect's NVIDIA's image as well. It's like Omron selling switches to Razer and saying "these are rated for 50m clicks, don't use them on products that require more" then Razer releasing a mouse using the same switches and claiming they're rated for 60m clicks. At the end of the day it was the OEM's decision to cut corners but the supplier is impacted because they make a "shitty" switch that doesn't last 60m clicks.

thanks for the info :)

"if that dont make sense to u, u r not coming to my birthday party" my sleepy brain: wew9gg0w9geg9wg9ew-00 WHAT?

Looks like I ended up getting lucky not being able to find any to buy...

@hgr3180

3 жыл бұрын

thats you and millions of people. looks like scalpers wont be able to sell their overpriced cards

@OperationNonsense

3 жыл бұрын

@@hgr3180 cheers to that!

@Flipper2413

3 жыл бұрын

How so? There is no issues for the FE. its the third party manufactory's cheeping out

@gotime1124

3 жыл бұрын

@@hgr3180 LMFAO you keep thinking that

@triggereddoge1847

3 жыл бұрын

Being broke has it owns pros and cons.

This is exactly why I am not an “early adopter.”

@dw4zemi382

3 жыл бұрын

this guy is pretty smart

@lukethmpsn

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, wait a month or two and you'll have all the info you need. Im waiting until and release

@mandotv7308

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, you’re just broke 😂

@NewmanOnGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I held off until the other shoe dropped.. and here we are.

@jiggaman198

3 жыл бұрын

@@mandotv7308 You sound like one of those dudes scrambling to sell their 2080 ti 😂

Next thing you will see on graphic cards boxes: "2 MTCC!"

So helpful to understand some of the differences between manufacturers

@wtfman1217

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m glad to no that asus seems to be the best in the market while all the others use cheap parts! I’m making the switch never buying msi or evga ever again

A quote from EVGA forums: Hi all, Recently there has been some discussion about the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 series. During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped. But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions. EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues. Also note that we have updated the product pictures at EVGA.com to reflect the production components that shipped to gamers and enthusiasts since day 1 of product launch. Once you receive the card you can compare for yourself, EVGA stands behind its products! Thanks EVGA

@janc4176

3 жыл бұрын

They got caught red handed, trying to what they can get away first

@gtijason7853

3 жыл бұрын

@@janc4176 Sounds right, there's no week of R&D needed when the 1st question should be "what's different between our card(s) and the Reference drawings from Nvidia or Nvidia's ref+ design

@omegacon4

3 жыл бұрын

@@janc4176 Yes but at least they are going with a HARDWARE solution instead of a BIOS fix.

@playlistnor

3 жыл бұрын

@@janc4176 they weren't if they would be able to get it work properly, then they could spare money. But they weren't able to get it work. So they did what they had to.

@Lotusexige07

3 жыл бұрын

Thank God I bought an Evga RTX3090 XC3 Gaming that I will receive next week. Never been disappointed with my 2080ti Black either and expect the same with that one.

Lmao I was so pissed I couldn’t get one the other day after waking up early as hell. Now I’m basking in the glory of peasant luck.

@andrewscasualmtb

3 жыл бұрын

Word.

@cannedpiss5178

3 жыл бұрын

same with consoles. im excited as fuck for the new gpus and consoles but there's pretty much always issues with the first few waves of production (electronics can always ship with problems but u know what i mean).

@hoshimiyaeki

3 жыл бұрын

It always best to wait a couple of months for an issues to arrive and get fixed before buying something new

@CHUCKBALLER2024

3 жыл бұрын

lol agreed

@jimpickles282

3 жыл бұрын

You can still pre-order from overclockers.uk ; I ordered msi 3080 gaming x trio and I it has one of those fancy things on it so it's all good 😂

''Prematurely making a video about how it's this or that, as we've seen it doesn't really help anyone does it? It just creates a whole lot of confusion, misinformation, and it's not worth it to drum up a few quick views'' Hardware Unboxed

@praxisrebourne

3 жыл бұрын

Well, look at how may views this video got... nearly 2 millions now. This also indicates one thing, we, the current generation of PC gamers are tech-enthusiasts in name. We are more interested in comparative graphs on FPS and % gained from overclocking. RGB hearphone stands, mouse pads and cases are further proof of that.

@Safetytrousers

3 жыл бұрын

@@praxisrebourne People like stories of failure. It's not good though when they are just stories, and they spread misinformation around the net. Profiting from erroneous speculation.

@winnieid2727

3 жыл бұрын

I have rewatch this this to confirm.. it's sad, i have been here from before he reach 500k subscribers..

@AJ-xv7oh

3 жыл бұрын

@@Safetytrousers Or how about we like to know what we are buying before doing so. Not like some blind, naive sheep. You ever consider that? Probably not since you're one of the goofs who pre-ordered this.

@blodus4521

3 жыл бұрын

@@AJ-xv7oh usually "we" like to have information that is accurate or speculation that is not treated as confirmed information

Hey Jay, has this issue been fixed? If not what are the best cards to buy that have the good components

Imagine being one of the people who waited in line outside Micro Center for several days only to end up with one of these cards. RIP

@antikytheramechanism2734

3 жыл бұрын

@ bitwit's latest vid

@inmypaants

3 жыл бұрын

Well if you got the TUF you would be pretty happy

@DerekOtway

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine selling your 2080 Ti to buy one of these cards.

@Ender240sxS13

3 жыл бұрын

I mean these cards are still outperforming the 2080ti, they just can't OC as high as other cards.

@PatrickVu3110

3 жыл бұрын

that 's reason why I dont buy hyped things. just wait until the dust settle, voila u saved a lot of money, good health and dont have to deal with these kinds of problems

Good thing that only 12 people were able to buy a 3080 anyway.

@jscjml

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah those 10 people out there with cards must be pissed.

@nSquared75

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t be. 4 of the cards are sitting right there.

@Culky

3 жыл бұрын

My heart goes out to the scalpers sitting on multiple dodgy cards. I sure hope the word doesn't get out in case they aren't able to sell them on at all, let alone at a stupid markup.

@shuhail_shafeeque

3 жыл бұрын

When will the next card come out? I mean the RTX 3090 only! When will it be available on market again? 😮 Maybe nvidia is watching KZread videos and trying to fix the problems lol

@Skwiizgaar

3 жыл бұрын

@Murali Dharan im not pissed at all, managed to fight the lags and ordered a 3080 Asus. Went from a 1060 and boy it runs smooth. Never crashed and performs very well

Every since a recent update, my older sli set-up started the same crashing to desktop.

Could you replace all 6 capacitors with the high end one and try if the card could be push to its very limit?

It's funny that Nvidia actually had a thing about crosstalk in their presentation... almost as if they knew

@wowwow-xp9sk

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh moment

@harrynazarian3184

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Yes, I remember that. I just watched the presentation as well!

@Vasharan

3 жыл бұрын

Fairly certain the crosstalk was about GDDR6X signal integrity. Micron did their homework. nvidia didn't do their due diligence.

@mito-pb8qg

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vasharan "nvidia didn't do their due diligence" ...wat. The partners messed up, not nVidia.

@Ender240sxS13

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vasharan uh... Did you even watch the video clearly nVidia DID do their due diligence, it was the AIBs that didn't

this is why I never get GPUs on realease day

@chickenclips

3 жыл бұрын

No, this is why you don't buy anything on release day. It's a way of life. Let the idiots feel the burn

@RockTouching

3 жыл бұрын

@@chickenclips the funny thing is that it happened for the 20 series as well, don't people learn their lesson?

@Master_Shredtacular

3 жыл бұрын

Facts, gotta pay that founder's fee for day one adoption

@ripvanced

3 жыл бұрын

@@chickenclips incoming triggered snowflakes that bought the FE

@TheNiteNinja19

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I waited 6 months for the 5700XT to iron out. Then I got a ASUS Strix 5700XT for $330, well under MSRP (it was "open box" and had a bent PCI bracket). So saved money and didn't have the deal with the growing pains.

Interesting note, Gigabytes 3080 Gaming OC got a rev. 2 model that changed thermal pads and reduced temps, good thing to learn that they took note of the high temp vrm issues.

Love the Office Space reference!

The scalpers + a possible AIB recall might be one of 2020's biggest jokes yet.

@eklipz330

3 жыл бұрын

lol at all the suckers that bought it from scalpers that can't get their money back

@xmlthegreat

3 жыл бұрын

Have you seen 2020? I'm pretty sure some other ghastly shit is gonna happen soon.

@sirf4ce

3 жыл бұрын

You will NEVER see an AIB recall on something that can be remedied with a BIOS update!

@hellureitaalla5224

3 жыл бұрын

scalpers would not even be an issue if nobody bought anything from them.. if they cant sell they wont buy either...

@EpicGamingEct

3 жыл бұрын

Yup I'd it worth it kzread.info/dash/bejne/iX19mZNmZqi3Z9Y.html

Lol have a whole new appreciation for Actually Hardcore Overclocking’s PCB analysis videos now.

EVGA's RTX 3080 FTW3 uses 4 POSCAPS and 20 MLCC. They confirmed it on their own forum, and even explained that that's precisely the reason they aren't available yet, because they originally sported all POSCAPS, they realized they were crashing while testing and therefore decided to modify the cards. They also mentioned that they had already sent out a few pre-production samples to reviewers with 6 POSCAPS and that those will have to be replaced. BTW, as someone else mentioned in the comments, POSCAPS aren't necessarily cheaper. If you take a look at those they used, it's actually the other way around. Usually a combination of both works better, according to experts.

i have a 2080ti and the noise in my case makes recording guitar a nightmare. I do not know what component is so noisy but its crazy. This was super interesting thankyou for taking the time.

@Sou-no7xt

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what kind of sound it is. If I am not wrong, it is a coil whine, really annoying.

LMFAO: "If that doesn't make sense to you, you can't come to my birthday party"

Moral of the story? Don't be an early adopter. Edit: All the problems we are experiencing right now(and in the future) can easily be avoided by exercising a minor amount of patience. Do you actually NEED this card right NOW? No? Unless your career(or self-worth) depends on having this card immediately just wait a few months. You'll end up with a much better product that will last a lot longer. Let the narcissistic manchildren deal with all the scalpers, software problems, hardware problems, and messy RMAs.

@sertralino

3 жыл бұрын

Don't scare the betatesters away!

@freightdawg6762

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Aaron never buy a first run on these video cards

@iscander_s

3 жыл бұрын

@@freightdawg6762 never buy a first run of anything!

@mamba109

3 жыл бұрын

You know damn well 90% would have cleaned out the 3080 inventory. Inadvertently the scalpers actually saved us from ourselves LMAO

@tor13128

3 жыл бұрын

when will the issue be fixed? will the bad units still be floating around in stores months later?

Does anyone know the actual price difference from POSCAPs to the MLCCs ?

@hoveylu7231

3 жыл бұрын

Cheapest 470uF Aluminium polymer SP-CAP (cap that is used by gigabyte) costs around $0.60. 47uF MLCC costs around 0.03 - $0.04 (x10 = $0.4). So really when Jay says the card “has the cheap array”, really, it’s the more expensive config Source: Digikey and kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmV9j82MY8_AhcY.html @ 18:40ish

I remember an electrical engineering prof who worked at MIT, also published a book on Analog Circuits and the one thing I remember him stating was, and I'm paraphrasing from memory here so I apologise if it's off slightly, but "beyond a certain level discrete circuits start to see similar if not virtually identical problems to analog." The faster you push it the worse it gets.

The old saying "never buy a first model year car" applies to video cards as well.

@PDXCustomPCS

3 жыл бұрын

So true, Besides the new Corvette or NSX. lol

@mikesnow285

3 жыл бұрын

Applies to pretty much everything.

@jorgeandrespalma2134

3 жыл бұрын

It's still cheaper than a 2080 and performs better, so it doesn't really apply here.

@lexxlexx9710

3 жыл бұрын

Or never marry a woman without taking her for a ride, or never buy a car before taking it for a spin. Or was it the other way around? Woman for a spin, car for a ride? Ah well, however you like it I guess. Anyway, the lesson, again, is not to buy the newest turd before even seeing benchmarks, reviews, etc.

@muinarc0

3 жыл бұрын

I would agree but the history of the motherboard and AIB companies shows that they eventually release later revisions like a "REV.B" and those almost always cut corners. They learn where they can get away with it and eventually you end up with cards with the same model number but the REV.B version has slower memory chips or less power stages, etc.

Just to go more indepth form an EE standpoint, these capacitors are primarily what called "de-coupling" or "bypass" caps. They de-couple an integrated circuits power pins (vias from the BGA of the GPU in this case) from the large copper power planes in the PCB. The further a device is from its power supply output (DC/DC switch mode converter on the GPU) , the more inductance there is between the supply and the device its supplying. High frequency, high power ICs like a GPU can have huge current spikes that occur at extremely high speed. Basically inductance bad. It limits how much current we can source from the power supply. The higher the frequency, the more PCB inductance impacts power delivery. Because the reactance (complex part of impedance) of an inductor goes up with frequency (Xₗ = 2π*f*L), the higher the frequency of a current pulse from the GPU, the higher the reactive impedance it sees between itself and the power supply. Here's where de-coupling capacitors come into play; they store charge and can be placed as close as physically possible to the power vias of the GPU. This means that the high frequency current now has a far lower impedance path into the GPU, it can temporarily come from a bypass cap instead of the power supply. But wait there's more! The physical capacitor still has small amounts of inductance due to how they are constructed. This is called ESL: equivalent series inductance. There are many different ways and materials to build a capacitor so there are many sizes and types of caps available with different pros and cons. (size, price, availability, voltage, ESL, ESR, temperature, dielectric ect.... ) Basically, you can implement the SAME amount of capacitance with many sizes/types of caps BUT very different ESL values!! You can still have enough decoupling CAPACITY in your caps but if the ESL is too high, at these GHz frequenies, the reactive impedance of the cap itself can greatly reducing its current sourcing abilities!! Exactly the same problem why we wanted to put them there in the first place with the PCB inductance!! In the case of the 3080 boards, it is possible that Nvidia didn't give correct or strict enough ESL target specs on their reference design. Because the reference design is not used for the FE cards, it may have gotten less lab testing and verification??? IDK Or the board partners might have been trying to cut costs and used more of the big Tantalum caps which have a higher ESL than a bunch of tiny MLCC (multi-layer ceramic caps) all in parallel. Remember inductance adds in series not like parallel for capacitors. Idk that's my rant 😫 Thanks for coming to my bootleg TED talk. Edit:some corrections

@carl4889

3 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't the MLCC caps be in parallel, not series?

@Shane_McLachlan

3 жыл бұрын

@@carl4889 Yes parallel! Thanks.

@mik995px

3 жыл бұрын

nvidia purposely gave an incorrect minimum requirements to AIBs so that when people find out about the issue, people would buy their founder edition more. Less reputation to AIBs, more to nvidia. one way to kill the AIBs so they can soon monopolyze their own GPU sales....👀👀😂😂.. - some conspiracy theorist But to be more serious, one of the comments here already mentioned that the bigger POSCAPs tend to be more expensive than MLCCs. I wonder if the AIBs found more money saving in using POSCAPs because it takes less time in the pick and place?? 🤔 because they only have to place 1 component instead of 6?

@tsurutuneado5981

3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna pretend I understand what you are saying and agree, just because it's amazing the amount of knowledge and technology that goes into a graphics card design.

@Ender240sxS13

3 жыл бұрын

@@mik995px That's not the impression I got from this video... It seems like the reference design had 1 POSCAP replaced with the MLCC array, the cards that are failing used all POSCAP designs and would therefore be under speced.... Also as far as manufacturing goes, yes the increase in process time to place the 6 MLCCs would likely increase the costs far more than the actual price difference between the components.

The real problem is that there was not frequency limit and they crash when they go over 2000-2100mhz maybe a little higher ( remember that 1740 its the boost clock on 3080 Strix for example) so it got fixing by just updating drivers. and the brands because of all those who supported this misinformation began to change capacitors without necessity maybe some people even sold they 3080 because they were afraid that because of the capacitors they were "bad cards" I am amazed at how uninformative this video is and how wrong it is and that Jay does not correct it with another video or comment. And he will not try to do some kind of test or to inform himself before publishing this video, it is noted that he is only interested in visits.

You're a great teacher Jay

3rd party manufactures cutting corners, using substandard components & increasing the price to gain extra profit. Never heard of that before....

@cheesetomatoes

3 жыл бұрын

Cutting corners. With expensive tantalum capacitors? None of this makes sense.

@1armbiker

3 жыл бұрын

This is on Nvidia for not releasing drivers even to their partners before launch so they could test what they’re building for fear of leaks that disprove their announcement claims and the poor performance below 4K.

@porkypine602

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheesetomatoes yeah that's why I think this is so odd. They probably didn't realize the card would try to pull that much power with gpu boost

@kiblams

3 жыл бұрын

We knew Nvidia was selling the FE as loss leaders to get better day one reviews, was inevitable that the AIBs would struggle to get their normal margins on them after that.

@danielkandi4582

3 жыл бұрын

sounds like boeing....

There is old rule in computer world: "don't be early adopter"

@Skeitintouch

3 жыл бұрын

So true. I wouldn’t have bought as my 2080 super is fine for now.

@sideskroll

3 жыл бұрын

Same with videigame consoles. Still fuckers keep fighting iver the "priviledge" of purchasing red ringing/overheating gaming machines. Slim revisions FTW! 😁

@oocinom

3 жыл бұрын

I call them the beta testers. LOL

@rockfella27

3 жыл бұрын

@@oocinom Beta in life too lol

3 жыл бұрын

I am perfectly happy with my ASUS STRIX 2080 TI OC 11GB GDDR6

4:25 You said the magic word there, capacitors... I can only imagine the balooning that must be going on...

From the nvidia subreddit reports, it looks like there were stability improvements with the latest drivers (456.55). People are reporting that games that were previously crashing for them are now running stable at stock with similar (or sometimes even few FPS bettter) performance.

Man it's going to be hilarious if all of those scalpers are stuck with unstable cards that the companies will not warranty because they are scalpers lmao

@haukionkannel

3 жыл бұрын

Santiago Rocha warranty is not needed. Just run the new firmware and you Are fine.. and Also slower, but that does not tricker warranty...

@jamesbutson6347

3 жыл бұрын

companies do not care if you are a scalper, that does not void warranty.

@HNedel

3 жыл бұрын

if word gets out that certain models should be avoided due to issues, their price will have to go down. So if scalpers bought $800 cards hoping to sell them for $1000, now they suddenly have to go $700 or below. AIBs will probably come out with revisions of those models, maybe change the branding so they can still sell the new cards. May be wishful thinking, but just hate those scalpers with a passion.

@GuRuGeorge03

3 жыл бұрын

Do you really think a company checks whether u are a scalper or not? They don't give the slightest fck, unless it's some crazy small store that has a lot of financial problems

@N3ttwerk

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful Beautiful days ahead if true!

"Hey my GPU is crashing" "Have you tried making your PC case warmer?" Brilliant solution.

@1nfiniteloop

3 жыл бұрын

Waiting for tips on stuffing cotton wool into PC cases...😂

@yeojylesjin

3 жыл бұрын

Just cheap out on the airflow and add a front intake rad

@benjaminmiddaugh2729

3 жыл бұрын

Finally a use for that terrible 12 fan case with no airflow that I decided not to buy because I wanted to be sensible...

@az7ai971

3 жыл бұрын

just use red rgb strip and case fans

@Tential1

3 жыл бұрын

PC gaming is accessible is the biggest lie we ever told people

This is very interesting. I would like to see the underside of the 30 series laptop GPU's.

Sounds a lot like the sounds from a speaker when your cell phone signals pulse through the speaker with the morse code sounding beeps

well good thing 90% scalpers have the cards anyways haha

@comradedennis8202

3 жыл бұрын

true

@RatbagTheCoward

3 жыл бұрын

mark jones But nearly 100% of the FE cards, which work fine. :(

@2025944

3 жыл бұрын

@@RatbagTheCoward Yeah rest in peice I had the 90 in my cart but it wouldn't checkout

RTX ON...... BLACK SCREEN ON!

@shinyhappyrem8728

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it sounds like the other way around: less load on the GPU = higher temperature = lower frequencies = less chance for a crash

@donfrancis123

3 жыл бұрын

@@shinyhappyrem8728 lol r/woosh

@kiranbharadia

3 жыл бұрын

@@donfrancis123 that's not a woosh at all...

Is there a list somewhere to check which cards use the "premium" components that would effect this?

Nice Office Space reference!

Everyone: "I can't get me a RTX 30 series card" Jayz: "I have 5 and one stuck in transit"

@11piesang

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, must also be fun getting the for free tho

@MhillPlays

3 жыл бұрын

As much as folks are upset that KZread tech channels have the cards, if it wasn't for reviewers like JayzTwoCents (who's opinion i respect) everyone would be buying GPU's based off Nvidia's presentation slides and bold marketing claims. And you'd be in a very uncomfortable position right now, if you were an early adopter. Thanks to these guys they are saving many ppl a lot of money. Nobody with any sense would buy hardware without some form of unbiased review in the first place.

@scurvofpcp

3 жыл бұрын

@@MhillPlays This is why I'm never an early adopter.

@11piesang

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jambersome yeah i think you guys are taking it up wrong what Im saying

@MrNathanbrand1987

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

Those scalpers are having a lot of fun with THIS card. xD

@corvettec-dt1eq

3 жыл бұрын

That's what they get for scalping lol

@colson2919

3 жыл бұрын

Literally just said this to my friend lol. Serves them right hope they go broke for scalping

@lkslokinhow

3 жыл бұрын

Plot twist, it was made on purpose to fuck scalpers (calm down guys, I'm joking)

@carlistillu

3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy with this statement hahaha

3 жыл бұрын

They aren't going to use the cards, just sell it to not informed users as the most of users are

Glad to have seen this video, the card I had in mind has none of the smaller caps.... NONE!

Glad I came back to this video. Got a second 3080 and saw 2 of the yellow arrays after forgetting which array was the one causing issues. Good thing to double check so I didn't break my PC.

Jay. See People should have listened. Don't buy it just yet. Wait a bit!!! Might as well have a cocktail while you build and rebuild your new computer. Just make sure you use the air conditioner.

@xAnimeID

3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, Nvidia sorted that out themselves.

@ualdayan

3 жыл бұрын

@@xAnimeID Isn't that the truth. I had every intention of buying already, but I am NOT paying above MSRP - which may have saved me in this case.

@DJZaydex

3 жыл бұрын

Wasnt Jay hyping new rtx cards? Like he basically an instigator

@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams

3 жыл бұрын

My mentality has always been wait at least a month or three at the minimum before I buy a new product. By then, demand will have likely lessened and I can buy the product easily, and I might also be aware of any potential hardware defects that product might have from what others say about it. I could wait even longer if I need to. Never in any rush to buy anything, never preordered anything. It's not like I'm strapped for cash either that I can't buy a new product day one and risk some hardware defects. I just find the practice of early adoption to be very silly, especially in regards to electronic devices that may or may not have a myriad of technical issues. Of course there's gonna be some early adopter folks who wanna argue with me about this, but you do you. This is just my view.

@phifflon

3 жыл бұрын

Thats why I only upgraded my PSU and now I can wait

"At least you get something for your money, even if it's crap" That's just Wish in a nutshell

@NapFloridian

3 жыл бұрын

Amen brother

@namesbinge3073

3 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@hatchedcoast7495

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@ouderwetsss

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@zachyulish3593

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

I feel like I am watching a zoomed out gameplay a factorio. Lol

thank you

When I heard of the 3080's crashing I just assumed people were trying to run a 550-600 watt power supply.

@NewkLambesis

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 650 gold and I don't think I'd be comfortable using a 3080 for much on that.

@JB-xl2jc

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewkLambesis Yeah, don't they recommend a minimum of 750 or 800? I've got a 1000W Plat, so I'm fine.

@user-bc1tp1gd1b

3 жыл бұрын

Jeff B 750 yes

@mneedes2

3 жыл бұрын

He He He it pays to wait.

@parampatel985

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewkLambesis check optimum tech's video on that, he's a solid reviewer and sff enthusiast. worked for him no problems

When Jay mentioned using his wireless mic near testing equipment and having issues, it reminded me of issue where we had Static Transfer Switch(STS)es that would alert and drop power to devices in server cabinets when we used our radios/walkie-talkies. After finding that out, we had rule no more walkie talkies on Data center floor. We eventually replaced them with Automatic Transfer Switches(ATS) a few years later. Thanks to all the beta testers who waited in line and got one to test for rest of us. Glad I couldn't get one day one.

@L33T_Taco

3 жыл бұрын

Hence why in some countries you sometimes your phones frequencies can mess with shit there

@NUCLEARARMAMENT

3 жыл бұрын

@@L33T_Taco I have a line in microphone connected to my motherboard that exhibits static noise in voice chat applications. It seems to be exacerbated a lot when I add more GPUs to the system. I have 4 1080 Tis in mine and it's causing a huge amount of interference.

@MrDamonLeBeouf

3 жыл бұрын

i got one for you... i work on a control room enviornment. we have handheld radios that we talk to people in our facility. when we key up a mic to talk and the mic base is close enough to one of the monitors it will turn the monitor off. freakin' weird.

@Blackshinigami08

3 жыл бұрын

There's a reason heavy munitions dumps have huge no rfi zones around them. Any sorta transmitters are noisey

@L33T_Taco

3 жыл бұрын

@@NUCLEARARMAMENT I got the same thing. but mine was more jsut cuz the port didnt secure the plug tightly and it wiggled a lot..so i had to turn the plug in the port till the static stoppeds

This video did not age well. After new driver released from Nvidia yesterday: 456.55, CTD-Errors are non existent. Overclocked my card to 2085mhz core-clock, no issues what so ever. The same overclock crashed instantly before the new driver.

@Battleneter

3 жыл бұрын

I was cringing all the way through it the first time, Jayz just blindly followed Igorslabs "therory" like a clastic super noob even using stupid terms like cheap and expensive capacitors lol

@46rrodriguez

3 жыл бұрын

is this highest you can OC. try 2100mhz ill bet it will crash

@FrankAndreasLia

3 жыл бұрын

@@46rrodriguez Tried a 2150mhz overclock, no crash, your assumption is false.

@46rrodriguez

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrankAndreasLia nice. what exact model do you have

@FrankAndreasLia

3 жыл бұрын

@@46rrodriguez GeForce RTX™ 3090 EAGLE OC 24G with all sp-caps.

Great information. But as far as I know, the ceramic high current SMD capacitors are extremely cheap and the PCB soldering process will not cost the factory significantly more. I would say the cost difference is

So this is when we find out what companies over charge while providing cheaper solutions.

@cuijaalbino

3 жыл бұрын

Finally

@Gallyga

3 жыл бұрын

Looking at you Gigabyte.

@Starfals

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gallyga EVGA.. uhhgh.. they forgot to even add cooling pads to the 1070's... it was a big deal, they even send out with mail the missing parts LOL.

@wisdoom9153

3 жыл бұрын

@@Starfals at least they still sending it via mail, unlike certain AIB who just outright ignore them.

@inmypaants

3 жыл бұрын

Ironically Asus have really brought the value this time with the TUF. Not only does it have a metal back plate, extra HDMI and dual bios but now these capacitors too! Wowsers

My tech illiterate ass looking at the thumbnail: *Ah yes, this truly is a disastrous flaw in the design*

@Dumbassfish63

3 жыл бұрын

@NadineLuvs Uhhh... might not want to use that hashtag, it has a very different meaning

@koarosales6354

3 жыл бұрын

NadineLuvs Bruh 🤣🤣🤣.

@cokie4760

3 жыл бұрын

@NadineLuvs Do you have something to share??

@Yuki_Ika7

3 жыл бұрын

i see your Axolotl is a king/queen/monarch

@Johnyknowhow

3 жыл бұрын

Nvidia card come with normal speed. Slow card stable, it is easier to drive. When card get faster, it get harder to drive and sensitive to change more, like driving car. Nvidia tell other company that make card based on Nvidia technology how fast card can go, and what kind of "road" it drive on (power delivery). Nvidia tell other company to make road straight. Other company want card to be as fast as possible. Speed good. Make consumer want buy. Some company build drag strip road for card to drive on. Drag strip expensive. Expensive bad, consumer no like, but card drive good fast on drag strip. Other company drive card fast on winding gravel road. Gravel cheap, but no drive good. When drive slow on gravel, card fine. But when try to drive more fast than Nvidia say, card lose control and crash because road suck.

I just found 2 3080s. An evga 3080ti xc3 ultra and a gigabyte 3080 vision oc. One was local, from a teacher at the nearby high school that barely used the ti. And the other was from a 3rd party seller on Newegg (in china) that sent me the vision oc. Great package padding, that’s for sure. And it looks/works great!

Side note (after he mentioned the noise powerlines make): Take a fluorescent tube light and put one end on the ground under the huge transmission power lines and it will light up. Not full brightness, but it'll flicker. Even just holding it in the air will make it flicker, but it works better when it's grounded. Kinda makes you realize how much power is running through those lines when it can start to light up a bulb that's 100ft below them.

@wtfman1217

3 жыл бұрын

Really?

Nvidia seems to have handed AMD this GPU generation win on a silver platter. I can't wait to see how they also screw it up. 😂

@OnlyKelp

3 жыл бұрын

30 seconds... Woah

@deathzowen8644

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine it AMD gpus have an equally bad launch

@DawidDoesTechStuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@deathzowen8644 I know right! It'll be so funny. 😂

@sythenalpha2037

3 жыл бұрын

how has 2020 hit nvidia cards aswell

@kevink1575

3 жыл бұрын

Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Very impressive.

ASUS engineers really know what they're doing.

@supra_enjoyer

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, ASUS has just earned themselves a huge credit boost for the future. Humongous, I'd say.

@roimores

3 жыл бұрын

You can tell they value more quality than cost.

@thedeegee1601

3 жыл бұрын

Shame everyone there is deaf and makes loud fans.

@Walhor

3 жыл бұрын

I remember their 5700 xt was also sick

@josh5001

3 жыл бұрын

All the pictures of the ASUS cards that I've seen show them using 6 of the cheaper ones....

KZread just notified me about this

There should be a list either with all the cards with the cheap array or the ones with the good one.