The Western media always wants to know why the BTS fans are so loyal, so intense. I think you put your finger on it. From the early days they built a relationship with ARMY. They interacted with ARMY not just to promote an album or concert but on a rehular basis just to say hiw they were feeling. When the chat was added, the relationship aspect was reinforced. I only got onto BTS about 15 months ago. I have watched many of the old VLives, and their other social media. After hours of videos, I have grown to not only enjoy their music nut like them as people. I am old so I am not 100% certain but I do think that this relationship is different from Western fan bases.

@eileencullinan2936

Жыл бұрын

There is asaying I saw not to long ago it was.humor , music ,and dance builds emotional connections and that is as simple asit is 🥲🥰🥰see you soon .

@mrmrwest81

Жыл бұрын

Gay as fck boys

@jg5615

Жыл бұрын

@Eileencullinan that is a nice saying, however it seems to go deeper with these young men. Their story, the adversities they face, their willingness to show vulnerability, the message & their quality music that they put out is on another level. Their ARMY not only huge but multifaceted, organized, philanthropic & committed to growing the fandom.

@eileencullinan2936

Жыл бұрын

The statement I read explained to mw how I got involved so quickly. I have as a fan enjoyed many bands , but this with BTS is different.. They are my safe zone. As a army I feel like I know them ,even though I do not. They don't show us everything nor should they. The other connect is army.I have only been army for 3 years, so I am still catching up. I have enjoyed my journey and like seeing other people discover their music, dance humanity and how much they love their fans. Love BTS.Forever.🥰🥰🥰

The phrase 'Mountain over Mountain' means that you climb one Mountain and think you'll be done but when you get to the top you see there are still more Mountains to climb. Basically you work hard to achieve something only to find out there is still more work and sometimes even harder work ahead of you.

Oh you have to see the Intro Performance Trailer. Choreo is INTENSE. They also made the video to shade MAMA because when they performed it for the show, they completely butchered all the camera angles and did not catch the highlights well. Which is why to this day, BTS always ensures that their performances are shot with the utmost quality

@nuhkyah23

Жыл бұрын

I second that!!

@Dani.Torres

Жыл бұрын

I third that, and I will leave here the link to the performance trailer kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWWJ0o-TqqvTpdo.html

@amberpearce710

Жыл бұрын

Also they shot the dance in many different angles pretty much telling them that they could have filmed it almost anywhere but you botched it, like how did you do that? Do better…

@elisiagoncalves6773

Жыл бұрын

It was MBC network, not MAMA. MBC hosts the Gayo Dejejeon Music Festival on New Years Eve every year. And they have had a history of sabotaging BTS. There's always been some animosity. And then back in 2019 BTS decided to perform for New Year's Rockin Eve in Times Square to ring in 2020...and basically MBC has banned them (and any group associsted with BigHit [now HYBE]) from their new years festival ever since then 😅

@mev9752

Жыл бұрын

It’s wasn’t mama , it’s was gayo or other festival don’t remember well. BTS first time in mama was in 2014

33:22 - Whenever I watch this part with reactors, there's always something that just happened that show how BTS's feelings towards ARMY have never changed. Just yesterday, Jungkook went live for over 4 hours, just to chat with and sing for ARMY, simply because he missed us. The last time I watched this, either The Astronaut just came out or Jin just performed it in Argentina.

I have watched many if your reactions. The statistics on length of the school day, followed by the cram schools, the pressures and the suicide rates is exactly why BTS's lyrics and themes were considered out of the norm. I understand that Korean KPop fans are known forsinging along, chanting etc during the song. The artist encourage it.

18:15 - In K-pop, they have official fanchants, so fans can study them and chant in performances. If no official ones are published, then fans would create the fanchants themselves and spread them in the fandom. The US general public witnessed this for the first time when BTS had their US television debut as they performed "DNA" at the American Music Awards. The US ARMYs were there and delivered. There are fancam videos that captured the loud fanchants for that performance.

When I watch any BTS content before 2015 my brain alsways goes "awww Baby BTS🥺"

ya know i never understood why they couldn't wrap there heads around the idea that idols can be artists at the same time

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think they ever thought an idol would want to be an artist

@CChanHI

Жыл бұрын

The closest I could decipher for myself is that idols are what we consider mickey mouse club kiddie singers. U aren’t a real artist bc you’re just there bc u fit the look of todays theme. So we teach u to sorta sing and sorta dance and your life cycle is expected to be 3-5 years. Then we get a new crop of kids for the new concept and themes. So the concept of an idol from the get go is not an artist but a puppet we can mold to sing and dance to sell this concept. That’s why the company write and produces all the music and has total control of everything. In large part BTS broke that mold. This is very generalized and my own understanding of “idol”

😂😂😂"Let me put on my eyeliner first and then I'll beat your a**" I'm. DYING. THANK YOU!

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

No problem at all. We gone slide for the boys 😤😂💜

@B16pal

Жыл бұрын

@@Jurnalist_ Would make a good line in a song, I think. I'm just saying....😉

When BTS write songs, they always have to take into consideration the performance. A lot of that is choreography and line distribution, as well as what works on stage in general. Also, there's the "call and response" you mentioned. In this case, they're officially called "fanchants", which are official chants posted by BigHit to BTS' Weverse (before Weverse, it was a website called "fancafe"). These chants are posted legit within hours of a song dropping, and Korean fans especially will learn them within hours and be ready to chant them from memory the same day the song drops. Like, when BTS used to promote the typical way in Korea back in the day (they haven't really done so since COVID), their album would drop and the same night, they'd be at a TV station filming a comeback show with fans who would already have the chants memorized because they memorized them in line waiting to get into the TV station. Typically, only title tracks and the b-sides that would also be promoted at music shows/award shows would have official fanchants. but Korean fans also are just so used to chanting in general that they also cultivated unofficial chants for other songs from BTS' roster. Overseas fans know all of these chants, too! On your own time, you can check out American fans in LA doing fanchants at the 2017 AMA's with "DNA" here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fGGtt6uAfreznpM.html BTS incorporate a LOT of call and response into their songs. It works very well for a group setting - during a verse, one member may be rapping or singing, but the other members can join through the call and response even if it's not their part. In actively engages the members at all times, as well as makes it very easy and enticing for the audience to do the same. Genius songwriting, you're right.

Happy birthday to you! Koreans love baseball. In their debut song No more dreams, a baseball is thrown. That’s why I love them! They keep their dignity and then destroy them in their songs! They are greatly influenced by 90’s hip hop and rap. That’s why many reactors say something like “it has the 90’s vibe” when listening to their hip hop or rap songs.

2:07 Suga, RM, JHope and V are the only ones with stage names! Suga for Shooting Guard/Agust D for Suga backwards plus DT for Daegu Town = Min Yoongi , RM for Rap Monster = Kim Namjoon , J-Hope for Jung and Hope because he wants to be our hope :) = Jung Hoseok , V for Victory = Kim Taehyung (their first name is last). - V's the only one in the vocal line with a rap name. It was speculated that he was meant to be a rapper at first, but changed to vocalist later on down the line. You'll notice in their earlier songs, V has very little vocal distribution unlike Jungkook, Jin, and Jimin 2:50 no they do not have police in schools, it's just an exaggeration of how education is forced on the public over their own health and happiness 7:40 In Korean, if the e is before the o then it is silent. If the e is after the o then you pronounce it 16:58 you are exactly correct. When a sentence ends with a verb, they add on 'nmida' to make it polite. It's like robotic talk. Not casual at all. If the sentence ends with a noun, they add on 'ayo' or 'eeayo' 24:50 every fucking time you do not disappoint like I cant breeeeeeeeeeeeatheeee lmfaoooo xDDD 26:39 YES!!!!!! It's what makes me so fucking mad like these are a bunch of KOREANS trying to tell RM and Suga what Hip Hop is... like sir.. DO YOU EVEN KNOW???? NO. You do not. I don't get how people who join the Hip Hop culture from the outside try to dictate what it SHOULD be. 41:10 IM SO GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO Everytime I see that shit I be like "DAMN SON" lmao Mannnnn 2013 was a year for them. 2014 aint gonna get any better tbh. I think 2014-2015 were the toughest years for BTS never knowing when they would run out steam, all the backlash and hate, whilst constantly winning awards and being called frauds. Man. My respect for Korean ARMYs is through the roof bc they had to pull the boys out of so much shit until they finally started to get international fans. They won best new artist award at every Korean award show in 2013 and everytime the first thing out of their mouths was "ARMY" its crazy. Why aren't American celebs like this xD

I don't have nothing informative or interesting to add, but just wanted to say that your personality is gold, you taking a moment to analize which drink is going to be the best is what I'm here for. You're growing on me more and more every single day. much love, stay safe

@nsma2629

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he is focusing on the drinks...very deep🤣🤣🤣

RM is happy in the beginning because he was required to wear sunglasses to create an image. This was the first time that he didn't have to wear them.

oh man Prince with some chunky boots giving slaps.. 🤣

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

That man could ball in those pumps and do backflips. I’ve seen to many effeminate men that Can fight. They better stop playing with folks. 😂

1:55 the members of bts with stage names are namjoon (rm), seokjin (jin), yoongi (suga), hoseok (j-hope) and taehyung (v).

합니다 (Hapnida/Hamnida) is the verb "to do" conjugated in the present and in polite speech. Basically most Korean phrases end in a verb. In english you have the Subject - verb - object "I like apples" order, in Korean it's "Subject - object - verb". And a looot of verbs end with 하다 (hada). It's a little bit big of an explanation to give as to why if you have no prior knowledge of the language, but just know that a lot of verbs end like that (with Ha•da conjugated -> Hamnida ), and if there's a "mnida" it's because they're talking in present polite speech. Like 좋아합니다 - Joahamnida (I like it) 좋아해요 (Joahaeyo) is also "I like it" conjugated in the present, but slightly less formal than Joahamnida. 좋아해 (Joahae) is informal. 축하합니다 - Tchukahamnida (Congratulations) 봅니다 - Bomnida (I see it) 가르칩니다 - Gareutchimnida (I teach it).

@TheIdgas

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this was very interesting! Can I ask though, how does “to do” change to “congratulations”? Is it that the literal translation of congratulations involves ‘to do’, or is it more like ‘ding’ has its own meaning and ‘standing’ means something completely different, if that makes sense?!?

@marirezende8478

Жыл бұрын

@@TheIdgas So, this enters that space of the explanation I said is a little bit more complicated hahahahah it could be better translated as "To congratulate/To celebrate". 축하 means congratulation/s, celebration/s, felicitation/s, as a noun. But you can't say it as a noun, because you're wishing/doing (?) it to someone/someone's birthday, it becomes an action, so it has to be transformed into an action verb, and to do that you have to add the verb "to do" to it. So the literal translation would be kind of "For your birthday, congratulations", but the phrase means "Happy birthday". 축하하다 means "To congratulate/to celebrate", so if you conjugate it in the present it means "Congratulation/Congratulations"! Better examples: They also use adjectives as verbs, called descriptive verbs . Like if you want to say you're happy you would say 행복합니다 (Haengbokhamnida - I'm happy), but 행복하다 (Haengbokhada) means "To be happy" and it's a verb. 행복 means happiness, 하다 means to do, so the unification of both means literally "To do happiness" -> "To be happy". You also add the action verb to nouns to transform them into verbs, like what happened to 축하합니다. Another example is "work", the noun "work" in Korean is 일, but if you want to say that you work, or someone else works (the verb) then you add the action verb! And suddenly work becomes "to work" 일하다. But not all verbs are like these! There are other forms of action and descriptive verbs, I'm only telling you about the ones that use 하다.

The other name for The Rise of Bangtan is Attack on Bangtan and was named/inspired by Attack on Titan 😂

Comeback may be used because they didn’t have a better word to describe or understand the meaning for western music industry. I was a little confused at first but it is what it is. Just different. Yes, they are capitalistic as well. Money buys everything, get out of the mandatory military service, murder, etc It’s unfortunate but it’s true about the pressure of parents and society.

Eles são o único artista que conheço que fala diretamente com o Army como se todos nós estivéssemos lá com eles desde o começo, como se todos fossemos uma única unidade e ao mesmo tempo um amigo próximo. E isso funciona muito bem, não importa de onde você venha, que idade tenha, você se sente incluído toda vez que ouve o nome "Army", é louco, mas simplesmente acontece. É um tipo de intimidade que não se pode forçar ou fingir, você tem que estar disposto a compreender e se envolver, a se abrir como ser humano, além de artista. É por isso que muitos querem ser como BTS, mas não estão dispostos a fazerem 20% do que eles fazem.

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

I would a 100% agree. I myself find I have trouble sometimes with the level of openness and connection developed from engaging with Army. Having the understanding that connecting and being open is paramount and key to the success these boys have had. It’s a weird dance I find myself having where on one hand if I lean in it could pay off but to be that open is so scary and outside my traditional thinking or how I was educated on cultivation of a core audience or group. But that is why I’ve been really trying to understand what BTS has done. Army has been great in helping with this teaching. 💜

Again, TYSM for your time, efforts and interest in watching and getting to know our precious BANGTAN! ~ and bits n pieces of their country’s culture, history, etc. 🫰🏼😉

I can't even explain how much I love your "Smack em in the mouth" type comments. Violence isn't the answer here, but it would of sure felt nice. I also am really enjoying your reactions to BTS content, I have learned so much by listening to you.

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

Folks are too comfy not getting smacked for the chat they produce. If they feel so safe to say it they should also be willing to take the repercussions. 😂😂😂 Ty for checking out anything I do I really appreciate it. 💜

21:34 It was the perfect moment to freeze the video 😂 23:48 is a game in "Rookie King". It's a Face off that tests your pride. Here JK gives a statement and Jin has to respond with "of course" or he looses the game. After that Jin can give a statement and JK has to respond. This continues until one isn*t able to respond with "of course" anymore. So one time J-Hope said "You enjoyed it" to V referencing this 21:34 situation. And V had to reply 😂😂 and they can get really competitive (and creative)😂 Enjoyed the reaction. Have a nice day 💜💜💜

Namjoon actually posted a few days ago a sheet of paper with his eye exam results, he is at -7,0 and -7,5 so our boy does need glasses that are quite strong, I think actually Jin had lasik a couple of years ago

Let's go! There are some vowels in Korean that are romanized with more than 1 letter, but they actually only make one sound as they're ONE character in hangul: ㅛ - yo ㅕ- yeo ㅑ- ya ㅠ - yu ㅐ- ae ㅓ- eo ㅡ - eu The ones that have a Y sound before are easier to understand how to pronounce. Ae and eo aren't read as ei-ee or ee-o, they are read "e" (like the sound the "a" in "say" makes, an A without the ee sound at the end) and "o" (like the "o" sound in "kn•o•ck"). So, BangTan Sonyeodan in Korean is 방탄 소년단 The "So" (소) has a So sound like the word "Sofa", and the "Nyeon" (년) is, as explained, the same sound I told you, but with an Y before and an N after (because the vowel being used is the ㅕ "yeo" vowel not the ㅓ"eo" vowel, which are basically the same, but ㅕ "Yeo" has the y sound alongside the eo sound). Hope I was clear! The sounds for me are the hardest to explain without being able to just say them. (There are more, but it would become complicated to explain, because my keyboard doesn't allow me to type them without a consonant as well, and it would only confuse you, so I'm using only these ones as examples).

Chapter 4 has many songs from their album 2 cool for skool album and there incredible

When BTS entered the award show the press put their cameras down but now every one is chasing them

For sure, I’m sure if your parents have enough money and high status or something you could probably get into good schools in Korea without doing amazing on the test but if u are just a regular rich kid and your parents have a good amount of money, they more so spend a lot of money on really good tutors and private schools to make sure their kids pass this test with high marks. That test is so important in Korea that flights and business close because of it and police cars patrol the area just in case a student might be running late so they can give them a ride. The test only happens once a year at the exact same time for all the seniors, which is why it is important not to miss it, as you would have to wait till the next year to take it again.

1:40 RM probably just got contacts. Over the years we have seen him in casual glasses a few times and his lenses were THICK. So we assumed he is practically blind. BUT a few days ago he posted his eye exam results and wow his prescription is WAY higher than any of us assumed. So yeah he still uses contacts otherwise he wouldn't survive hahaha 2:50 in Slovenia some high schools have a security guard. But that are mostly high schools that have a reputation for fights, skipping classes, being drunk,... my high school didn't have one, they only had 2 students who changed every day (it went by classes and alphabeth) who acted as people to help guests who were lost. Mostly you just sat being on your phone all day excused from your classes (except if you had an exam then you had to find yourself a replacment for that hour). But my country also has never had a violent event happen at a school... 11:40 from I have talked with other European friends we all have a few graduation exams and those exams determine if we graduate (you can have straight As all years of high school but if you dont pass the final 3 or 5 exams you can't graduate. We literally spend all 4 years studying for these exams). And no amount of money can get you into a University if you don't have enough good grades from these exams and the correct high school. I went to a high school where after I graduated I can go straight to work as a kindergarden assistant and with good enough exam results I can go to University for a kindergarden teacher (and a few months ago, 6 YEARS after I graduated from high school I got rejected from job because my high school score was 0,2 lower than another persons). But I can't attend the program for a regular teacher (same University) simply because i haven't done an additional subject exam on top of mine. Oh and the exam scores you get at 14 determine if you get accepted into high school. A LOT of people got rejected from my high school, if you got Bs you wouldnt get accepted into my high school no matter how much money you got because these results are public. (And High school and University are FREE, so money truly doesn't play a part). My University classes were literally from 8am to 8pm.. the time from 4pm to 8pm dragged soooo hard especially since they were usually the same class. And yes there was attendace check even in University and if you didn't have enough attendace you werent allowed to take the final exam. 34:34 i think the big part of why no one does this and why it really works for BTS is sincerity. There is not really any money to be earned at this type of events. And when it comes to letters I find it hard to imagine any western artist being so sincere when it comes to writing a public letter to the fans. BTS over the years have posted a lot of letters on ARMY forums that were active at the time (first fancafe, then twitter and now Wewerse). And all these letters feel sincere, there is never any doubt they were written by the members themselfs. And ARMYs always translate them and take them to heart. And here is also the thing, when BTS are honest and vulnerble with their struggles ARMYs always relate and are understanding and supportive. But when it comes to western artists, their fans are usually just casual listeners who don't have an emotional connection to them as people, they simply like their music and probably aren't even that emotionally connected to the lyrics of that music. So honestly if that artist posted a sincere letter about their struggles to the public, I don't think it would be recived well. They would be told it is a publicity stunt, that they are popular so their struggles don't count since they have financial stability. Basically the public would probably mock them. Sure it would touch some of their hardcore fans; but I don't see the general reaction being positive. As you see BTS have been doing that since the beginning so when a member posts a personal letter nowdays it is of course taken seriously and if on the off chance public catches wind of it and cares, the ARMY is strong enough to be way louder and call out people who step out of line. 39:00 for me I just sang along to this song Rise of Bangtan and that made it soooo much easier for me to correctly pronouce their group name. Same as with the members real names. I simply listened and learned the fanchant (the leader, and then from eldest to youngest) and that was the easiest and fastest way for me to learn how to pronounce their names and also learn their age order. And in the first few days whenever I was confused I simply repeated the fanchant to get the correct pronounciation.

Letters to ARMY… BTS is so genuine that’s what sets them apart. They’re open to their fans, they made the real effort for connection, none of this fake thanks here in the west.

To give some context from 25:16 What Kim Bonghyun said isnt entirely wrong (I will come to which part about it is sickening). The Korean public to date does not treat idols as artists or have a individual personality. An example is the comments under RM's psick univ show. After bts became such a global group and came to be seen in the TV, the public concluded that ok. He is a good speaker, they all have decent personalities, all look decently good, are hardworking performers so they have become the most recognised idol. The words of practical, relatable, 30's man thinking style and charisma is not what general public who only know bts through news expects. So the comments by the middle aged men are hilarious cause they say they had respect for bts for their national contribution but had prejudice towards idols so they didn't expect him to have such a personality and fell for his charisma. So what that guy pointed out was the reality. The problem comes in seeing these artificial norms over looks as the root of hiphop. In rm's track 'Do You', he thoroughly argues in his verses and mocks the obsession with looks to further highlight how your fashion isn't a symbol of how profound of a hip hop artist you are. In short bts didn't fall for what folks around them expected out of them. Neither for the perfect idol nor for the macho hiphop oldie. They experienced and discovered the true essence of hiphop via their own experiences. And that's what made them have a such a strong artistic root to date.

1:22 if I remember correctly, he wore sunglasses because he was embarrassed about the shape of his eyes... (correct me guys if i'm wrong)

Stay safe, positive and healthy Love and support from the Philippines ^_^

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

Ty. All the same to you. 💜

In this chapter they were practicing this "Concept Trailer" the choreo is nuts: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o2xrxLOMYKy6h8Y.html And this is the dance practice of the Concept Trailer kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2uFsLeQiNK1j9Y.html

That’s the thing that really gets me with that interview. Like, Hip Hop is a culture that you borrowed from African Americans, it did not originate with you. Then you did what you wanted with it, so who are you to then turn around and tell someone else they’re doing it wrong? It’s just so arrogant

@jessicapierce3027

Жыл бұрын

ikr. He's schooling people as if he actually wrote the book.

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

Facts talk yo shit. 😤💜

@SilverFang95

Жыл бұрын

Not African Americans. Just black people.

@TheIdgas

Жыл бұрын

@@SilverFang95 as in not all black people in America are African American? If you just say black people, that could mean hip hop originated anywhere. So Black Americans? Or have I missed the point?

@SilverFang95

Жыл бұрын

@@TheIdgas the point is. Are the og hip hop artists straight from Africa? Or did they have parents that came from Africa, gave birth to them, and then they started hip hop? If the second one is the case, then they are not Africans, thus, not african-american, just Americans or black Americans. Same shit goes with Italians and literally any background.

Love your random and quick pieces of commentary on juice bottles. 21:44 😭 not you pausing on that frame... my lungs. 24:50 😭☠

In Korean all sentences end with the verb and there are different endings/conjugations depending of the level of politeness, majorly dependent on age and status. In songwriting you rarely hear it because it is mainly written in 반말 informal speech. 합니다/습니다 - habnida/subnida are honorific forms 요- yo ending is the polite form (this is most similar to -desu) When they cut the conjugations at the end it is informal most commonly ending on 다 - da.

fun fact Jin apologized all over himself after that locker scene...As soon as they cut

Baby jungkook 😊

I do agree Suga´s jacket was awesome

ps: early Bangtan is especially precious and we hold all these kinds of memories very close to our hearts 💜 #Bangtan

30:15 LMAOOOOOOOOO Namjoon really regrets this hair 😭😭😭😭

Korea was a third-world country until the 80's. So freedom of thought was rare.

This is slightly off topic, but because you are starting to see more of the blooming relationship between BTS and ARMY, I just wanted to share with you one of my favorite lines from them. "You gave me the best of me, so you'll give you the best of you." It's from their song Magic Shop, which is one of many songs written specifically for ARMY. BTS want us to give that same positive energy and encouragement that we show to them to ourselves. It's one of the many reasons I love and support them wholeheartedly. I don't get that same encouragement from others in my life, but I'll be damn sure to give it to my children, and work to show it to myself. BTS showed me that I can care about my own happiness, and it took nearly 40 years for me to receive that message.

Kpop combacks always remind me of LL Cool J. " Don't call it a comback, I've been here for years."

Happy birthday

We have a saying," if you refer to BTS by their stage names, you're either new to the Fandom, or you are BTS" 🤣

@jessicapierce3027

Жыл бұрын

I never heard this saying. 🤔

@ann-archist7172

Жыл бұрын

@Jessica Pierce I don't think it's used much anymore because a lot of post Dynamite fans now use their stage names, but back in 2017/2018 it was an ongoing joke.

@jessicapierce3027

Жыл бұрын

@@ann-archist7172 oh, that's about the time I joined the fandom.

24:48 Im crying 💀 you’re just great

I'll be editing this probably to answer questions. The cops are to show how oppressive the Korean education system is. At 5:06 if you look up in the left hand corner, it shows the days passing. It was longer than 5 days, it was every day for months! Those boys work hard! They got little sleep so they could practice & perfect it to calm their nerves, but they felt each comeback had to be better than their previous ones. Yeah after debut it doesn't matter how much time has passed it's called a comeback. It's not usually 2 weeks, but they do have them after 3 months or more 💜 eta: the yeon rhymes with John sort of 🙂 In Korean, a common pattern for verb formation is adding “hada” (dictionary form) to a noun. Used by itself it normally is translated as “do”. Korean has various levels of formality and politeness which are indicated by verb endings. The endings on “hada” are the same whether it is used as an independent word or in word formation. The most formal and polite ending normally used in modern Korean is “-mnida”. This is added to the verb stem which can be derived from the dictionary form by removing the “da”. In this case of “hada” the stem is “ha” so the word is “hamnida”. For example, one way to say “thank you” is “kamsahamnida” which is a verb. The noun “kamsa” means “thanks”. So the verb could literally be translated as “(I) respectfully do thanks” although we typically translate it as the much more natural “thank you" btw, I borrowed that from the internet to explain it better, I'm learning hangul, but trying to explain it was a bit hard for me RN. Hope it helped. Haha I agree, the pink juice looks yum! Yes, all of their songs have the call and response, they call them fanchants . BTS release official fan chants so yes they are written in. But even when they haven't released it yet ARMYs usually know what to say because it's written in. Then also during some parts of songs, or before the guys begin singing, ARMYs will go in order starting with rm (leader) and goes oldest to youngest. So in BTS it's Kim Namjoon Kim Seokjin Min Yoongi Jung Hoseok Park Jimin Kim Taehyung Jeon Jungkook BTS! Asking about the underground hip hop being stuck, it's because typically, at least prior to BTS (it's more common now) idols didn't usually write their own music. Forget producing, they don't usually write their own lyrics. So these dickheads were referring to that, how can an idol be considered hip-hop if they don't write their own music. BTS are ofc different. They write, compose, and produce their own music, so they didn't fall into a neat little box like these guys were trying to put them in. eta: I love that you mentioned Kurtis Blow! I never thought to use him as an example! 💜 As for the b and p sound, that really messed me up for awhile before I caught on. When I lived in Korea, it was a tiny town riiiight by the dmz. I always thought it was pong il chong, and I could never find it once I was back in America when I looked it up. It's romanization spelling is bongil cheon. It's a small difference you'd think it'd show up in searches if I spelled it the 1st way, but nope. You gotta romanize that one at least, correctly. Possibly that's also due to it being literally just a few hundred people & it was 1994? More if you count the US military base there . Also to say "hurry" is ppali but always sounded more like Bali to my uneducated ear at the time. And I think to pronounce it correctly it is a mixed sound of the b and p, similar to the k and g sounds

37:55 Even the host said "they won over the people with their skills and not popularity" that must tell you everything you needed to know about media-play. To this day! This very Melon company (music streaming, spotify got there only last year) tweeted yesterday about upcoming Grammys mentioning notable artists such as Beyonce and whatnot... and they failed (a Korean MUSIC COMPANY) to mention local 5-time nominated BTS... You cannot make this up.

All the times you've slapped BFree X_D

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

Man is getting slid on. 😂😂 You’re so hiphop let’s see how serious you are😤

Laughed so hard @24:24 😂😂😂

I am sure you can buy university in Korea. They are no different than other countries in that regard.

The group name is pronounced Bang (방) Tan (탄) So (소) Nyeon (년) Dan (단). Romanization of Hangeul isn't really all that standardized, but if you see "eo," it's usually the vowel ㅓ which is pronounced "uh." "Yeo" (ㅕ) is also a vowel in Korean, so "nyeon" is actually "n+yeo+n," and would be pronounced like "nun" with a "y" sound thrown in there lol. You can see that "eo"/uh sound in Jin and Hobi's government names-Seojkin and Hoseok-which are pronounced "Sukk-jin" and "Ho-sukk." An example of how Hangeul romanticization isn't standardized can actually be seen in Jungkook's (정국) name, which is usually Romanized "Jungkook," but in the system most commonly used in Korea now, it would actually be Jeongguk. Korean immigrants to America of my mother's generation sort of took liberties with the romanticization, which is why there's a lot of confusion. But here are some vowel diphthongs used in modern spelling that might confuse you: ㅓ = eo = "uh" ㅕ = yeo = "yuh" ㅡ = eu = "oo" as in "book" ㅚ = oe = "weh" ㅢ = ui = this can vary, honestly, depending on the word, but let's just say "eh" for now ㅒ = ae = "ay" (this vowel is used in Ddaeng, by the way, and it really is almost like you're saying "dang" with a little oomph to it) ㅒ = yae = "yay" There are also double consonants GG, DD, BB, SS, and JJ, which you'll only see at the beginning of a syllable. Essentially they sound like K, T, P, S, and Ch. Sort of. (It's a bit more complex than that haha.)

Im not the best source for this but from what I understand of both Korean and Japanese, yes. "Hamnida" works very similarly to the "desu" situation, I dont know if there are special instances where the usage of both terms differ in each language form. And then even the "desu ka" for question markers corresponds to "hamni ka" as a question marker of each linguistic form. Other armys may correct me if im wrong

@tildatiger

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You're right!

they are really amazing💜💜💜💜

21:35 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Perfect time to pause it😅

rm still wears specs but contacts when he appears online and performs .. i think four or five of them wear specs ..

I think RM meant sunglasses. He still wears glasses and contacts today because he’s eyesight is horrible

so much going on in this era! the boys were broke at the time (no joke)...they were still borrowing each other's clothes back then. low budget stylin, but did the best they could, with not much but faith in each other. the boys obviously proved themselves worthy thru their hard work, kind character and straight up talent, to say the least.💜✌

With the video on the rapper who was insulting RM and Suga, what makes me so angry is that he is an ADULT, in his late twenties or early thirties, trashing some 20/21-year-old kids. And none of the other adults in the room say anything. I wonder how they feel about ganging up on hardworking boys from a small company.

@jessicapierce3027

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Or how they felt after eating the harsh reality BTS served to them with all their successes and masterly lyrics.

@SilverFang95

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Being an adult doesn't mean shit

24:20 getting slapped cause he didnt stand up to get out of the way 😂

Hab Ni Dah 합니다 on the end of a phrase in Korean makes it formal and or more polite. You would add hab ni dah or eeb ni dah 입니다 to the end of your sentence or phrase if you were speaking to a stranger, or someone in a position of authority like a teacher or boss, or someone who was older than you that was not a close friend or relative.

The eo sound in Korean (어) is pronounced kind of a cross between an O sound and a U sound. Kind of like Uhhh. When I first started learning Korean I had a hard time differentiating between eo 어 and O 오. Sometimes when they anglicize the Korean word they spell it as a u as in the Jung in Jungkook. 정국, instead of an eo as in Seokjin, 석진 although it makes the same sound in both cases. Hope that is helpful.

Oh wow I was just wondering when you might upload the next episode of TROB and here it is! Crowd participation is such a vital part in BTS songs. The fanchants are baked into the music so even when I listen to songs on Spotify I'll sometimes wait for the chant parts and sing that. It's a good time. I can't wait to go watch their concert in the cinema this weekend so I can do the fanchants with other ARMYs. We've never had BTS come here before so it's probably going to be the closest I'll get to a concert with them for a while. There are some songs that ARMY really go in on the fanchants. My fave is probably Fake Love but Attack On Bangtan always gets me hyped. It's kind of wild to see so much happen in this documentary and yet we're still only on their debut year by the end of this episode. 2013 was a hell of a year.

37:20 Dynamic Duo are some of Bangtan inspiration, they had a feature in SMTM yes. Have you watched all? Then you know Lee Youngji!! (the girl drunkterviewing Jin!)

You were right on with your comments! I hate that Korean culture has those messed up standards. I've noticed over the years that when Korean Army comment, there are a ton that say, "after school" or " listening to BTS while studying", or "so stressful taking tests"....as an American can't wrap my head around it. The underground rappers? So much is wrong with that!!! I'm putting it down to their ignorance!!!

Well i think traditionally they wouldn’t release some officials two after coming back..? Like after a comeback they would promote the song for that two weeks so i think anything released shortly after that comeback depending on the length. (like if its a single or of its a mini album with like 5 songs) if it a single ep then no its not a comeback if to a mini album then i guess it is a comeback?? But they would comeback THAT quickly.. because you have to prepare a lot for said comeback?? 🤷🏽‍♀️

23:00 Bowling was mmm featured in the Summer Olympics in Seoul (88) and JKs dad participated there, so JK took an interest to learn bowling for some time ;) (like serious lessons)

Also blacklisting is so real in the industry, I think of Yoongi or Joon did talk back they could have faced something like that, Like IT still happens to this day, there is actually currently Something Like that going on, idols won a lawsuite against the company and now they started a Petition to Ban them from the entire Entertainment industry

This is a fan meeting...not a press conference.💜

What’s up with the audio in this one? Were you having copyright issues? Maybe I just watched the others on the Patreon. ****** 3:52 I think they call it a comeback because most K-pop groups are disposable/interchangeable. They come and go quickly, so still being around is a big deal. 14:20 The call and response songwriting: This is common in K-Pop. Besides audience participation, this music is also written for an international audience. Korea is a very small market. The country is the size of the state of Indiana. So they put in easy English lyrics or nonsense lyrics (na-na-na, oh-oh, etc) to make the music more accessible and enjoyable for the widest audience to be able to sing along, since English is the widest global language (thanks to colonialism.) Those segments also lend themselves well to call and response. 17:00 I am starting to study Korean language and I pulled this from Quora ~ In Korean, a common pattern for verb formation is adding “hada” (dictionary form) to a noun. Used by itself it normally is translated as “do”. Korean has various levels of formality and politeness which are indicated by verb endings. The endings on “hada” are the same whether it is used as an independent word or in word formation. The most formal and polite ending normally used in modern Korean is “-mnida”. This is added to the verb stem which can be derived from the dictionary form by removing the “da”. In this case of “hada” the stem is “ha” so the word is “hamnida”. For example, one way to say “thank you” is “kamsahamnida” which is a verb. The noun “kamsa” means “thanks”. So the verb could literally be translated as “(I) respectfully do thanks” although we typically translate it as the much more natural “thank you”. Another example “saranghamnida” is formed from the noun “sarang” meaning love and verb-forming “hada” and formal polite ending “mnida”. This is a formal polite way to say the verb “love”, although we could think of it as “do love”. Because this pattern of verb formation is so common, when people are in formal polite contexts we frequently hear the syllables “hamnida” throughout their speech. ~ Also ㅂ is pronounced somewhere between P/B in Korean so can be written in romanized characters either as P or B as it varies in pronunciation by word or dialect but is usually somewhere in the middle. Same thing with R/L (ㄹ), and G/K (ㄱ), D/T (ㄷ) and Ch/T (ㅊ) etc. It’s a phonetic written alphabet like English, but the sounds are not exactly like English and that’s why some are hard for us to approximate and the same for them with English. Our brains and mouths are just not trained for those sounds. It takes practice and a good ear. Each letter combines into a multi character block to form a syllable = 방 (Bang) 탄 (Tan) 소 (So) 년 (Neoyn) 단 (Dan) Or = 방탄 소년단 Bangtan Sonyeondan / BTS 26:00 “Is the underground hip-hip scene in a South Korea stuck in 1993?” In some ways, yes. Remember they only really started with their modern Western influenced music scene in the 80s and 90s. The sound is evolving fast, and in its own way according to the culture, but it’s still a pretty misogynistic and conservative culture. Not that the US is a bastion of virtue in that regard, but we all have our issues. The culture is also very hierarchical and stratified and this is reflected in the culture of music and musicians, with clearly delineated divisions for certain things like powerful labels and agencies and groups vs poor ones and between K-Pop and a Hip-hop, etc. Also, these are older people talking the guys and the culture dictates you cannot talk back to them as they are their seniors and it was a public press appearance, so they were cognizant of representing their team and their label. They did it anyways, in their music, which in itself was shocking to some. I also just think these dudes are salty because when RM and Suga were 14, grown ass men were afraid to rap battle them in the underground scene because they were getting their asses handed to them by these little kids and it was embarrassing. This was an opportunity to slam them and they took it. Here again, BTS is an anomaly. They have always openly spoken truth to power with their art, criticized their elders, been openly supportive of the LGBTQ+ community, supported queer artists and fashion designers in Korea and elsewhere, have stated they don’t believe things like fashion and makeup have gender, and they designed their BT21 characters to be gender neutral. They are just ahead of their time and culture in so many ways, even when they were teenagers. The letters they wrote to their fans towards the end were something they wanted to do, not something the company had them do. Their fans sent them many letters with these kinds of personal feelings, stories and struggles and they wanted to give them back the same thing. They just wanted to share themselves and their feelings with ARMY in person. They were teenagers (mostly) and felt (and still feel) that ARMY is their best friends (and have put that in song lyrics as well as said it many times.) Other groups did not do social media like them, were in fact not allowed to by their companies, were not in direct contact with their fans, didn’t share all the back stage and behind the scenes and all the hard stuff and struggles. That was all these guys, who made all their own videos and loaded them up themselves and shared their unfiltered selves with their fans. It was not a thing done in K-Pop. There was an accepted script for how groups came about and how fanbases were built and how media was engaged and how their image was crafted and it was not this. Of course, now they are trying to figure out a manufactured version of how to copy these things as some sort of formula for success, with not much luck because it’s not very genuine.

Hmmm I think Korea and US are not so different when it comes to money, I think they are the same, rich is rich and that is privilege. Nobody goes to a good college with low scores to ant test necessary, the money kids use those money to get the scores they need... (the ones that do, some actually study) As for police in schools, no.. Not in Korea, maybe not anywhere outside US...

21:40 HAHAHAHHAHAHA That was a game that they lost or a challenge or something, I don't remember exactly what it was, just that it was a punishment

Let's just say there's an issue with deep seated patriarchy and male chauvinism in Korea (they're working through it, prayers out to those on the receiving end), and that's where/how some in the underground hip hop community latched on to the old mindset of hip hop to which you referred.

@SilverFang95

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🙄

2:45 Nah, the police in schools is exclusive to the US I'm afraid... (unless some other thing is going on in a country, like recently in Afghanistan and such). This is just a metaphor for how oppressive the school-system is.

20:45 I think the call and response aspect is more marked with BTS songs that have more rap in it because it would be hard for the audience to sing along those lyrics (especially a global audience), compared to their melodic tracks. There's much less of that in the rapline's solo tracks, but even then their title tracks tend to have something catchy and repetitive that people can join in with

@diatima

Жыл бұрын

That said, I can proudly say I know most of the lyrics to daechwita by heart 🤣

💜💜

I’m starting to like the parts of the video where the audio is muted because it’s so much fun to try and keep up with the song in your head 🎉

Was it just me or there was no sound

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

Yt had been content blocking a lot of my videos so I’ve had to trim or mute sections. They just hit me for an ad suitability on another video. 😭😭

@RMe0t7

Жыл бұрын

@@Jurnalist_ love your reactions with or without sound also your genuine interest and your authentic style, great job

I like RMs perm.

Why RM so excited to meet ARMYs without his glasses is that alot of people mocking his eyes cuz they look ugly and not match with hip hop vibe so sad he need to hide his beautiful eyes just cuz of some toxic people but they don't have choice bact then so yeah ( it's just my opinion who already following this group since 2015 ) please correct me if i'm wrong

When you said show me the money omg that show is just comedy to the real hiphop artists in korea the founders of k-hiphop hate that show and suga dissed that show multiple times because people kept telling him to go there but still don't understand how Koreans think that's the best thing ever and it makes you a really rapper if you get in that show madness

big ball?! LOL!

Instead of criticising and being narrow-minded, the guy talking crap to Yoongi and Namjoon should have used his time better. I tried listening to one of his tracks and it was generic. Even at that young age, BTS boys were already better. And they continue to evolve. So much respect for that.

Can You react to BTS vs Block B💜

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

I have but sadly it was content blocked on yt so its only on my patreon currently fighting to get it released currently.

@kristenreacts7441

Жыл бұрын

@@Jurnalist_ you go by the same name on patreon?

This isn’t a conflict with hip- hop ,this is pure jealousy

@Jurnalist_

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Huh?

@alisonstephens7930

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@@Jurnalist_ the guy you wanted to slap, he did apologise years later I believe. The things he said to RM and Suga, he was jealous of there talent

@Jurnalist_

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@@alisonstephens7930 ahh okay that makes sense now. Yea he needed to humble himself being a hater

28:00 You gotta listen to RM's track "awakening", where he raps about the confilct of becoming an idol from being in the underground. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYh8z66qqZDAlc4.html

😂😂😂Rappers names these days... Little p, little d, little b... And so on

"BTS Performance trailer "

I'm trying to catch up on your video's, but the sound keeps going out on all of them for minutes at a time...😮

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

For rob or ahl yt copyright is very strict to my channel so I can trim or mute or have the video content blocked. So I mute where I can to get the video through copyright. If I could not do this I would but yt is not having with me.

@rgober60

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@Jurnalist Thank you. I didn't know. Have a Great weekend hun.❤️🙏🕊💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

@@rgober60 no problem. You as well. Have a great day as well. 💜

B sounds like P...G sounds like k......k sounds like g ........also V is pronounced P

a lot of the video was muted...was that on purpose?

Where is postman Jimin ding-dong????

@Jurnalist_

Жыл бұрын

Yt has not been playing fairly with my channel so I’ve had to mute or trim sections sadly.

@mamacheeze2294

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@@Jurnalist_ ouh..its ok. Outro: Tear next maybe

Korea is definitely stuck in a VERY cliche vision of Hip-Hop, with all the cultural appropriation that goes with it and everything so yeah…If anything BTS rapline are the closest to Hip-Hop Korean artist, always educating themselves and knowing their history

Mmh, that annoying "rapper" is called B Free. Check out his rap if you're curious. Totally not on the same level as our three rap gods 🧐

This video had large areas where it was muted, and then it got messed up around 29:00 (Timestamp). It was hard to watch. I stopped watching at that point.

@marirezende8478

Жыл бұрын

He had to mute because of copyright

10:00, you should take the test(CSAT) even though you are the richest man in our country. Lee Jae-yong was the successor of SAMSUNG company but he had to take the test 3 times to get the score to attend the Seoul National University. The diploma from this university was one of the necessary conditions before inheriting the company. So even you are rich, if you don't have diploma from a good college, you will harshly look down on by ppl in Korea..(I know it's harsh..) Also, I dedicated my whole life preparing this test(CSAT) to go to the university that I want. I took the test twice and I made it but if I couldn't got the pleasing score, I would just.. kill myself at that time. I was very hard on myself bc which university you graduated almost dictates your future careers and human relationships. Thankfully I had BTS music on my side at that time and I was able to endure all of my stress.🥲