Bros, just sleep with your homies. It's called practice.

@mikito00

Жыл бұрын

I think you mean praxis. And I agree

Yes it should be legal, but acting like having sex with a sex worker is going to solve something with male loneliness and lack of connection is insane.

@akumakorgar

Жыл бұрын

I honestly do think it could make the sense of loneliness worse, because sex with a sex worker is not intimacy and at the end of the night you go home alone

@wafflepoet5437

Жыл бұрын

There have been a number of very encouraging studies out of the Netherlands on the topic of “sex care” within the sex work discussion. Sex is regarded as a basic human right and the Dutch subsidize a certain number of appointments with sex care and sex workers for disabled citizens. This has shown to be incredibly affirming and has been shown to address some of the profound feelings of anger, frustration, shame, and loneliness of disabled people. Sex work includes far more than just sexual acts. Sex workers, especially sex care workers, are quite literally experienced in helping people explore their sexuality in a healthy manner. They can clients how to masturbate, safely explore sexual desires, or literally just spend time with someone. There’s a huge industry is non-sexual sex work: activities like the girlfriend (or boyfriend) experience, sex education, or just cuddling with clients in a safe, completely non-sexualized manner. Sex workers _absolutely_ provide intimacy for their clients if that’s what they want. Being open and honest about one’s emotional needs (and expectations) is no less important with a sex worker than a potential partner. Just because a sex worker is being paid for a service doesn’t mean they’re somehow incapable of providing intimacy. Anyone who thinks this has obviously never had a (good) therapist or psychiatrist. No one thinks legalized or (preferably) decriminalized sex work is going to solve the systemic consequences of patriarchy like sex trafficking, misogyny, or “toxic” masculinity - that is to say the exacerbation of atomization and alienation all of us, but especially young men, face. _Nothing_ will solve _everything_ , but we must do _everything_ to solve _something_ .

@ross4

Жыл бұрын

@@wafflepoet5437 The Netherlands does a better job of taking care of its citizens than the US. When you have a social context that makes it easier to form connections with other people, find a job, and have a reasonably good quality of life, it makes sense how sex work could provide something valuable, like in your example of disabled people. But in the US, paying someone for intimacy isn’t going to fix the issue on any level. The root cause of alienation has nothing to do with lack of sex or lack of intimacy. Those are the symptoms of our culture and economic environment. So of course, decriminalize it. But expecting that to be any part of the solution is crazy. You’re just going to end up with the further commodification of sex and intimacy, because the social environment limits these people from being able to actualize these things in their personal lives.

@redmaple1982

Жыл бұрын

One could argue that the issue of male loneliness and alienation is 10 times worse in those FDS communities where the church elders go out of there way to marry as many women as possible while actively exhiling any man that's too handsome and funneling most of the actual "surplus" young men to a life of forced labor....yet you don't hear any stories about one of these men shooting up their community.

Missed opportunity to talk about how so many places are designed for loneliness. American suburbs shunning any sense of togetherness and car dependency that makes more aspects of our lives one of solitude.

@HesGotaGun505

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s fascinating that now even the car dependent realm has been broken up by modern logistics. Local car scenes only exist for old guys, and modern event-center size car meets are totally impersonal.

@pierregibson6699

Жыл бұрын

The suburbs literally was Created to Isolate white Americans from the Black Americans aka white flight…the end results was a bubbles 🫧 of Isolation from the rest of the country including your own neighbors, When I first moved to the suburbs in my 20’s I saw how Isolating it was young people and wasn’t even that much safer than in the inner city 🏙️ no gang shooting true, but LOTS of neighbors on the sex offenders registry and hella amounts of drug addiction.

@condor237

Жыл бұрын

Suburbs are much easier and safer to hang out with friends than cities. Adjoining backyards is much easier to meet up than a street corner with a hobo and pedo across the street

@freakyzed8467

Жыл бұрын

@@condor237 funny, as most of the sex offenses happen in the suburbs. Look it up.

@condor237

Жыл бұрын

@@freakyzed8467 most child molestations are done by family members, so an area that is more family motivated would thus show that trend. But I’m talking severity. Even though there might be more diddling in the suburbs, diddling to rape/kidnap is not equivalent.

Yeah, it really just goes with the more general problem of loneliness, but if you talk about that you still lose the young men because they've been socially conditioned to think it's not manly to complain about loneliness.

Lower standards, don't fall for internet-imposed ideals of physical beauty, don't fall for internet-imposed ideals of how sex should be (it is a right perhaps, but it isn't enforceable and as pointed out, a game of two), engage in irl communities instead of online communities, and most importantly, don't listen to these got dam psychology professors/entrepreneurs/self-made hustlers/dating coaches that plague the trending pages these days

As someone who’s 21 I think it’s a shame people around my age and younger fall into the Peterson, Tate esc status wanting highlights. Granted I want to be successful too. However being true to oneself and aware of one’s place in life (class, privilege etc) is key. And even when it comes to finding a partner. Make it about love and connection and not systemic. Lose some weight, be nice, make someone smile and feel interested in you.

The answer to what a left response would look like is directly connected to what the left would look like if it was (or was on the way to being) a powerful organized force in society. We don't even have to invent something new. In the past, organizations and unions had meeting places and clubs for people to join. Places where people were actively involved in "the struggle" and optimally, places to just hang out that functioned as community centers. People also met on the proverbial front lines. They met doing real shit irl - because the left had organized itself enough to create those places to meet - and yes, even have fun. Even if we started there, say, with meet ups of like-minded people to just have fun, we'd be in a better position than we are now. I also like the idea of what Paul Jay was creating in Baltimore (before he was purged, or whatever happened). Not only was it an alternative media operation, he was creating a kind of community center where people could gather to do all kinds of things. Imagine if Bernie would have turned the whole network he built of volunteers and donors into that - or imagine they decided to do it themselves in their own communities, and stayed connected to all of the other people building a community center in their communities...imagine they had plans, goals, and strategies to build power together and become a movement...well, you get the idea...

Affordable housing would fix a good chunk of this Hard to form healthy relationships when you're stuck living with your parents into your late 20s or 30s due to a housing market that only exists for the ruling class to speculate on like any other stock in their portfolio

@PR0MAN01

Жыл бұрын

Especially when the idea of living with your parents is still stigmatized. Like, yeah the "living in your moms basement" types exist but most of us just can't afford a down payment on a home.

@redmaple1982

Жыл бұрын

Ehhhh I know plenty of guys that still met someone while living with their parents...

@yuimura443

Жыл бұрын

ah yes, if there’s one thing extremely poor people are famous for, it's not having sex. we should have affordable housing regardless, but chances are, the people who aren't having sex because they don't have their own place still aren't going to be having sex when they do.

@redmaple1982

Жыл бұрын

@@yuimura443 lol FACTS

I think more guys should know that sex WILL NOT cure depression.

The last minute of this was the most important message ever.

If you believe in havin' sex say hell yeah!

"Just put yourself out there" is as useful to say to lonely people as "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" is to poor people. Not only is it individualizing a societal problem, but it sounds super fucking condescending considering the people who say it usually don't suffer from the problem they're addressing

@comradesillyotter1537

Жыл бұрын

Gotta stop posting to go out ngl

@delusionnnnn

Жыл бұрын

It may sound condescending, but in many cases there's a kernel of truth to it. You're not going to make meaningful connections with new people that leads anywhere by posting on reddit or twitter. You're not going to get any sort of interpersonal reward by not taking an interpersonal risk. Where are the people who are also interested in things you are? What do they do? Where do they go? And why are you not going there? Convincing yourself that the world is only built for "chads" or "extroverts" is self-selecting yourself out of meaningful interaction from the beginning. Upvoting "care and feeding of your inner introvert" posts on facebook isn't the risk that's going to reward you in any way. You're not going to get a phone call out of the blue where one of your cousins magically has the perfect person for you to date, online dating apps are mostly a scheme to take money from lonely men, and "male power seminar" culture is mostly just the same with a hefty dose of misogyny. If you're involved with a mostly online culture that has in-person meetups, for the love of god go to them. But if you're involved in online cultures that mostly just revolve around moping about how everyone's sad, get the hell away from those, those are counterproductive. Are there some online cultures that are neither? Absolutely - my musical interests (for instance) mean I'm involved with online cultures that are both local and international and the latter are largely people I'll never meet but it's about culture, not moping. And men, if you want to compliment someone, don't compliment bodies. It's going to make you a creep. Compliment things people have made conscious decisions about. Nobody chose to be their weight that day, or have their particular figure that month. But they did choose their shoes, or to wear a shirt of an artist you like, to say something interesting about something you care about, or to be at a niche event in the first place.

@coldestsun2095

Жыл бұрын

The problem is is that neurotypical people of average height usually can bootstrap themselves into getting laid. They then go and apply this to unattractive “socially inept”men who can’t which ultimately results in frustration both from the neurotypical and the person who can’t get laid.

This issue is a matter of resource distribution and the lack of gainful secure employment. As the economy becomes more and more precarious and more of a gig economy less of us have a chance of creating a secure lifestyle with a place of our own and because we live in this hyper individualized society where the concept of community barely exists and everybody seems to just think we all exist in a vacuum, that lack of gainful employment and security in our own lives reflects back on us that we're massive losers; which we are. But it's not because of a lack of gumption or individual failings necessarily it's literally a lack of available gainful secure employment. I think their focus on phones is odd. Yes they are a distraction but not really the main issue. I hate to reduce everything to class buuuuuut, I can't seem to help it. I'm certain if I had more access to resources I would have 200% more confidence as a mate. Because I'm unemployed most of the time, living at home again after two decades of trying to make money and utterly failing at it, my self esteem is nonexistent. I have good things going for me but I can't share them because of my complete lack of material and social status which are inextricably linked to one another.

Stop👏Stealing👏Incel👏Valor👏

When every aspect of human interaction has become commodified, why would I spend the time and money on potentially finding a partner when I could use that money to just distract myself with other meaningless things like video games or carpentry.

@Dirt-McGerk

Жыл бұрын

Find a pro-gamer carpentry gf

@PR0MAN01

Жыл бұрын

@@Dirt-McGerk I'd kill for a girl who'd wanna make a birdhouse with me tbh. But then I'd be spending less time on my hobbies, not worth it

@Dirt-McGerk

Жыл бұрын

​@@PR0MAN01 fair enough

@Kcoldraz

Жыл бұрын

Why would not spend it in finding a partner? If you have the means, it will make more sense to spend it on finding a partner. Since we have been socialized to think that having that family is a somewhat higher calling; using your dollar to get pleating relief is less logical.

I could not imagine entering the dating scene as a teenager with tinder being the default now. It came when I was in college & was pretty degrading but imagine only knowing that.

@xCobraCommanderx

Жыл бұрын

IKR! When I was a 20 year old kid I had deep friendships and treated the opposite sex with respect. Seggs just came with territory. What a concept right? Be a good person, people want to share themselves with ya. 20 year olds today just send dic pic, eat hot chip, and cry. Ridiculous.

@rikmichaels9233

Жыл бұрын

Monogamy is a myth

@EmpureMedia

Жыл бұрын

@@rikmichaels9233 I think you meant to post this on Reddit champ

Gotta call Chapo out here, they have frequently mocked the notion that "the gosh-darn phones" are a major societal ill when that has been claimed by other people, so it's a little jarring to hear them suddenly say it as a point of fact here.

@David-oj4ez

Жыл бұрын

Glad they’re saying it and I don’t recall the mockery

I don't think lack of sex is the main issue, but rather the problem that "symbolizes" the underlying problem of alieantion and atomization of society. While the lack of intimacy tends to be what's most talked about, most of the "problematic" young man, once or if, they have sex, would still feel and be, as miserable as before. You don't have to give tham a narrative where they are the "main charachter" neither tell them they are "excess" they will live a live of misery. It comes down to the prospect of unfullfilness that permeates their lives, result of exploitation, that is, whatever they create in a professional environment, will never be theirs. The issue would be adressed in older times, by a patriarchy that, for all intends and porpuses would "bribe" man, by making woman property. However, with the introduction of women in the work force, the pill and abortion coming into society, that's no longer possible. That's why all this "gurus" talking about masculinity, will never talk about work but rather how women are mean, and very insensitive to the "needs" of men. The left only has to point to the contradiction between boss and employer. "You work 12 hours, not being able to form a family or sustain one, while the dude you work for is offering his wife the 3rd car this year". "How can you call yourself a man, if you work for another man and pay for his lifestyle". The only purpose of patriarchy, is to create class traitors, and to keep the male workforce subjugated.

I 100% support legalizing/regulating sex work. Just like drug prohibition, sex work being a crime creates a black market that creates crime and makes sex workers less safe and more open to exploitation. Just like prohibition of drugs, just b/c it’s illegal that does not stop the practice from taking place, it just gives organized crime larger profits. Legalizing sex work WILL NOT help solve the issue of lonely angry young men, that’s fuvking silly

@Molecular-Brainwaves-Translate

Жыл бұрын

on the other hand, a lot of angry young men fantasize/idolize about sex workers in an unhealthy way. normalizing it (or at least ensuring parameters exist, like unionization of workers or ensuring in some other fashion that workers can be kept safe) could help blunt the belligerency of angry young men. i would look to the netherlands as an example because supposedly they legalized it better than anybody.

@condor237

Жыл бұрын

Legalizing sex work will lead to a spike in rapes

@effluviah7544

Жыл бұрын

@@condor237 It would actually decrease rapes, since because if sex work were legal and therefore had some legal protections, it would be possible for sex workers to actually report rapes, rather than having to avoid reporting them lest they be arrested on charges related to sex work rather than ever seeing their rape kit actually processed so an investigation could take place-- Assuming cops were competent enough to do their jobs either way, which they're not, but at the very least sex workers would be able to report crimes against them without fear of being put in prison themselves. The knowledge that rapes could then actually be reported (and therefore the likelihood of a prosecution would increase), would in and of itself be a deterrent to at least some degree. When rapists know their victims can't report it due to risk of being arrested themselves when sex work itself is illegal, more rapes occur. When sex work is legalised, rapes are more likely to be reported, prosecutions are more likely to happen, and this is often a deterrent to rapists. Look at Holland's legalised sex work and related crime reports for an example.

@condor237

Жыл бұрын

@@effluviah7544 Pedophilic attacks on children increase with access to and interaction with child porn. Greater access to sex work will to the same degree inspire blossoming rapists

@mattryan6886

Жыл бұрын

@@condor237 do you have some kind of data to back up your assertion??? Sex work is legal in some places in Holland and Nevada, are those places leading in rapes compared to where sex work is illegal????? Hmmmmn seems like your statement not adding up

I get that "systemic problems" and so on, but I can't really muster much sympathy for these losers. I know what it's like to be lonely and feel rejected. I dealt with it. As far as I'm concerned, if your pain is such that you go to Andrew Tate for advice, your concerns aren't 100% innocent.

@coldestsun2095

Жыл бұрын

So do you have problems with people who think there should be a right to sex or do you just have problems with guys who can’t have sex? It kinda seems like you’re just pissed that some people haven’t “dealt with it” like you have.

@fede2

Жыл бұрын

@@coldestsun2095 I have all the sympathy in the world for guys who can't have sex. I'll say it again: if you're going to Tate for advice because of it, that's where my sympathy runs dry.

I saw this title and got pumped

15:50 i prefer meteorotic to meteoric

The right to have a PS5 for free

That is a discussion taking place 'firmly' from within the overton window.....lol

I’m sex positive and sex negative-Naomi fry. I concur

I rhink the right in question here is to do sex work professionally. Destigmatize go through transition end up with it adjacent to massage and aromatherapy etc.

What ppl fail to take into account is you can be suicidal while also having an successful sex life and anyone that has real experince in the world of mental health will tell you this. If the subject of male loneliness immediately inspires you to talk about sex then you are hilariously unserious.

@David-oj4ez

Жыл бұрын

No shit. Still plays a role at large. Using a straw man do completely write off something is hilariously unserious

@redmaple1982

Жыл бұрын

@@David-oj4ez where is the straw man?

@jabrokneetoeknee6448

Жыл бұрын

@@redmaple1982 Many men who get laid still feel lonely, sure… but also a guy who never gets laid is almost certainly lonely. So this argument doesn’t delegitimize the problem being discussed here at all. Lack of intimacy is a serious compounding factor in loneliness. I honestly think a major problem is video games. A guy who is not noticeably attractive will have to put more effort in to meeting women, and potentially endure rejection many times… but instead of making that extra effort a lot of these guys are blowing thousands of hours (and loads) in front of a computer screen. It’s not a mystery at all why they can’t find love.

@redmaple1982

Жыл бұрын

@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 so I agree that romantic disappointment is not good for one's overall mental state. But I think it's important to point out that sex is different from emotional intimacy. And if the issue at hand is intimacy the main "action item" should be setting up an environment where men can be emotionally vulnerable with their friends....And I do agree that the video game addiction ends up being a problem here because unless it becomes a place where you can talk about your feeling with your boys it does serve to worsen your ability to relate women (on the grounds that I makes you seem very immature). To a certian extent I think the solution here is mandatory enlistment in a sports team, rock band, or wilderness group....

@Badtown1988

Жыл бұрын

@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 Agree. I think we’ve gotten used to saying video games aren’t to blame for so many things (which they aren’t), but of course they contribute to anti-social behavior.

Can't I just be ace in peace

@akumakorgar

Жыл бұрын

Who's stopping you

@DanRec1312

Жыл бұрын

@@akumakorgar everyone who thinks being ace actually means being secretly gay or trans or something else or people like the boys here who put sexual interaction on the top rung of the human experience.

@eldritchtourist

Жыл бұрын

@@DanRec1312 Hey, acknowledgement that sexuality is meaningful for a lot of people doesn't actually mean they're claiming "this is equally important for everyone by default", it just means it isn't a conversation that applies to you? That doesn't mean it isn't a conversation worth having. Like sexuality isn't a shallow optional part of my life, for example. It's not just mindless pleasure, it's human connection + me having a fuller experience of what my own body can do and feel. You don't have to relate and share it, but saying "hey, this is important to many people and having less of it happening in the alienated modern life is making their life worse!" is not anti-asexual. It goes without saying that this wouldn't be a problem asexual people have anything to do with, it's clunky conversationally to always add this disclaimer. I understand that you're frustrated with erasure in wider society, but you wouldn't go to a knitting convention and get mad nobody is talking about skiing.

@berdyderg900

Жыл бұрын

Why can't you? Incompatible with attention-seeking comments online?

@apuffin9545

Жыл бұрын

Online asexual people are so annoying. You can't even begin to believe how little anyone cares

the right to kill in minecraft

‘If the young are not initiated in the tribe, they will burn down the village just to feel its warmth.’ African proverb.

@yuimura443

Жыл бұрын

how are women initiated into the tribe lol

@teddybetts3254

Жыл бұрын

@@yuimura443 The quote says "the young". It didn't say young boys OR young girls. 🙄

@yuimura443

Жыл бұрын

@@teddybetts3254 when do girls destroy society lol

@amitty9818

Жыл бұрын

@@yuimura443 they are very succesful in many areas of life. More so then men in most cases

@yuimura443

Жыл бұрын

@@amitty9818 Yep. What's your point?

Connecting sex to lack of loneliness is, I think, absurd. There are plenty of fulfilling relationships without sex that seems to get just brushed aside when they force this transactional idea of making more sex more accessible instead of addressing the core of loneliness.

@CheapSkateGamer96

Жыл бұрын

They think that because people in the 80s did nothing but fuck and snort coke that the same thing is going to fix people today. In some way they're sort of right, fucking and snorting coke makes you less miserable in the short term, but ask Alice Cooper or Nikki Six how life goes when you live that hard. The "Just Say No" people have finally realized that they fucked up and are angry they can't just magically undo it all by saying "just don't be sad".

Oh wow! Is Chapo finally taking the threat of the Republican party seriously? Took them long enough.

Sex is such a slippery issue.

attention sad and lonely men! the solution to your problem: reinforce the idea that you arent worthy of intimacy by paying someone to perform a facsimile of love on you! you definitely wont end up just as alone as when you started!

@quantumperception

Жыл бұрын

Read a few of your comments; excellent trolling. I almost believed that you believed the nonsensical horsesh*t you wrote. Lol, keeping doing Satan's work, and being an a*shole- it's hilarious!

@xRickAstleyx

Жыл бұрын

@@quantumperception no you didnt. thats not a feature on this site

@beebgegegeg-xr3cm

Жыл бұрын

@@xRickAstleyx Portuguese is not just French Spanish

@xRickAstleyx

Жыл бұрын

@@beebgegegeg-xr3cm hey its an android user. hows poverty going for ya?

No one ever seems to ask “if there are all these sexless men, shouldn’t there also be a heap of sexless women?” Like, if the ladies have it figured out, why does no one seem to have any insight into how to solve the problem?

@GrimReader

Жыл бұрын

There are sexless women I had a friend who was a virgin until 27 the difference is it’s not a vital aspect of womanhood engaging in a lot of sex, instead it’s overvirtued and woman are chased to be just a toy for men. Women realise sex isn’t everything men don’t

@ChewyThomson

Жыл бұрын

I know plenty of virgin, sexless women and they struggle just as much. Difference is, they don't go shooting up a mall when they don't get laid.

@bitteralmonds666

Жыл бұрын

Nobody cares 🙈💦

I'm super blackpilled on the sexlessness crisis. Realistically, I don't really think there's any viable solution for straight men. I don't even think access to affordable housing would help at all, most people who are still living at home can realistically have sex. Not that legalizing sexwork is the solution, but it would certainly help a bit. It would serve as another "vent" for excess male sexual energy, just like PMO and all the other "vents". Like a bandaid. We're gonna become Japan 2.0, unfortunately. Nothing can stop this.

@CheapSkateGamer96

Жыл бұрын

Not to sound like the Clara Sorenti here, but do you think the increased acceptance of trans people is going to help things? Sexlessness is a problem the trans community is very familiar with and if straight men have idols that say that it's OK to be with someone that used to be a guy and that it doesn't make you gay (not that being gay matters anyway) it may bode better for society than the current course? Then again being terminally online myself, Twitter makes trans women look a lot more common than they actually are.

@michaela8194

Жыл бұрын

As someone who now lives with his dad at 38, I can assure you, if I had gainful secure employment and a place of my own, (not to mention a job that didn't make me miserable) I would have about 200% more confidence with women. I literally can't provide a secure environment of my own for them so why the hell would I have confidence? Physically I have a lot to offer, despite this, I am materially and socially a massive loser. No amount of nice d, body or head game is going to make that go away. This is a matter of resource distribution; as most things are.

@GrimReader

Жыл бұрын

The problems are material it’s the same for Suicide. We talk about reaching out and talking but then they have to go back in the world where they are miserable and don’t have the possibility of improving their lives.

@CheapSkateGamer96

Жыл бұрын

@@michaela8194 I think the guys at Chapo made a great point about how some guys that "can't" get a girl don't actually want the girl, they want the status that the guys who get the girl have. I got super lucky and got a great job and my own place at 24. I'm turning 26 soon and realizing I never really wanted the girl. I like the *idea* of being married and having kids, but I can't stand other people. Totally not claiming that it's the same story for you, it's probably not, you sound legitimate lonely (and that's ok, I get lonely at times, just not enough to overpower my misanthropy), just sharing my story is all.

@SoulshineWavy

Жыл бұрын

@@CheapSkateGamer96 you sound like a nice person and I don’t want to be rude but this is a fantasy. The vast majority of men do not have any interest in trans women and this has nothing to do with society it have everything to do with biology

One, two, or even more-the number of people that are involved in the act matters not, sex is still almost always just masturbation.

i think Hasans chadvice and male role model and Ethan from H3 can be positive leftist ideas of adressing these men

We used to have socially enforced sexual socialism.

This is definitely real. Now how many y’all like sex??

Has Matt ever actually mentioned, referenced or cited any structural change that has actually happened anywhere, ever? Somehow nothing changes structures and yet they themselves admit that social interaction has completely changed over the course of a decade.

@cakesandwich

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@xCobraCommanderx

Жыл бұрын

You don’t understand Marxism. Society is the Superstructure. Production is the Base. Can’t change the World through the Superstructure. We live in a material world. The material conditions shape your ideals, not you’re ideals shape the World. Basic Marxism 101

@michaela8194

Жыл бұрын

Ever? Feudalism used to exist. Now it doesn't. That's a pretty big change I'd say. In the last hundred years we went from not taxing the rich at all in the early 20th century to taxing them around 94% and creating the New Deal. Before the New Deal and Social Security half of all elderly people lived in complete poverty and now we're back to not really taxing the rich at all again and Social Security minimum wage and all the things the New Deal created have been whittled away to mean next to nothing nowadays. These are all structural changes buddy. The USSR existed. Now it doesn't. That's also an example of massive change. Wtf are you talking about?

@Operation_Lukey

Жыл бұрын

*citations sir* 🤓

They have it backwards: it isn't that men who aren't getting laid therefore aren't earning money, it is the reverse- men aren't earning money, which means that they aren't getting laid. Dating and girlfriends cost money (ask any man who dates or has a girlfriend), and when you are broke, as the song says "I don't want no scrub" or if you prefer "she's a golddigger". It's 'no money means no love', it's not 'no love means no money'. Women don't help you get jobs, but money helps you get women (not required, but it helps, to the point that it is pretty much required). Also, it is a serious problem. If you study empires, this is usually how they fall- a large group of unmarried, unemployed men. If you want anger, violence, and revolution, then that group is a good thing, but if you want peace, harmony, and cooperation, then having a large population of unmarried, unemployed men is a sign of doom. Men with no hope/prospects tend to start looking for the reason that their fathers and grandfathers had success and they didn't- essentially looking for someone to blame. That can either lead to civil war and ethnic cleansing, or violent revolution against the system/government. So if you want to avoid mass death, give men money, so that they can get laid. Lastly, nihilism isn't a mental disorder; it is the intelligent, rational response to the situation that we are in. If anything, looking at the world today and still having hope would be the mental disorder, namely being delusional.

I’ll admit, I do have a soft spot for Jordan Peterson. Not his politics or how crazy he’s gotten recently, but his self help stuff honestly did help me and got me out of a rut. Just his podcasts talking about getting yourself together and growing up as a man and having confidence in yourself. They really did make me improve myself and gave me the boost I needed to start dating again and it actually worked for me. I’m not endorsing him in anyway outside of his self help and psychology stuff, but he was one of the few people that was literally describing everything I was feeling and had a solution

@michaela8194

Жыл бұрын

Too bad his solutions are only individual and his overall message simply perpetuates the system that is grinding us into dust.

@ChewyThomson

Жыл бұрын

That's great and I am happy you are doing well but he is still a hypercapitalist, and capitalism is what destroys tradition and makes us all atomized from society and one another. The systems he very vehemently supports are at the root of your original misery, my friend.

@sayeedkizuk5822

Жыл бұрын

It's understandable, as men you can easily go your whole life and never receive any form of encouragement or empathy. It's just important to always remember that the people who jump to fill these kinds of glaring emotional gaps usually have an ideology to push or a product to sell.

@RumHam5570

Жыл бұрын

He never really was unique with any of his solutions, but something does separate him from the crowd. A chapo guest once joked how it was funny that Peterson was a Jungian. Consider that his first best seller book was Maps of Meaning (Mom) and he told people to clean their rooms… there’s something more Freudian than Jungian about that. There’s a glimpse of something fascinating in that observation. I think interest in his messaging stuck because it was conveyed with compassion and sincerity, and not because of anything unique or new in the message itself. Maybe the message made an impact before I anyone fulfilled the commitment to “clean the room”. I can notice that quality in some of the misguided prescriptions or some of his more odious takes. People might just be listening for the delivery, and not because of the prescription. If you’re starved of compassion and affection, you might be more receptive to a compassionate and affectionate messenger.

@RumHam5570

Жыл бұрын

To OP: JP showed you there was a light at the end of the tunnel, but he could have given any variation of the usual prescriptions society throws around… but his description of everything hard in your life, the alienation, the loneliness, the hopelessness, and his compassion towards you in THAT state… that’s life changing.

17:50 I’d be interested to know if this guy has ever spoken to any of these “unfuckable wretches”. Like to me all of this comes from talking to people who can get laid about people who can’t. Of course these people have also never spoken to a person who can’t form romantic relationships.😊

@xRickAstleyx

Жыл бұрын

did you listen to him? he literally said earler in the clip that he used to go years at a time without getting laid. sorry you felt called out, but if youre identifying with the kind of people hes talking about, you deserve to be lonely

@coldestsun2095

Жыл бұрын

@@xRickAstleyx The difference between someone like me and him is that I’m literally 5’7 and autistic so this isn’t just some dry spell I’m going through. Anyways, I’m highly skeptical of the fact that you or they see any meaningful difference between your average person who can’t get laid and the kind of guy that thinks everyone has the right to get their dick wet. You’re just dying to put down someone for not conforming to the way you think men should be which is why you insulted me without knowing anything about what I actually believe. Please find a healthier way to vent about your girlfriend fucking other men.

@quantumperception

Жыл бұрын

@@coldestsun2095 Well said. Good luck! And don't listen to bitter dickheads on the internet.

Is Chapo Trap House seriously pushing "phones bad" wtf?

@julymagnus493

Жыл бұрын

Felix is and has been for a while

@GrimReader

Жыл бұрын

I mean. They are. Think how many times you’ve seen someone drop them for a while and their self esteem and anxiety has improved. It’s not healthy us being on these fucking things at all hours and being able to be reached at all times. I didn’t have a smartphone until 2020 and still avoid apps because they are just a massive grind and another thing to track and hassle me with. We’ve got the entire world in our pocket and it’s not made things better

@feydrautha012

Жыл бұрын

Well I think it's more 'phone for 18 hours a day is bad' rather than 'phone is bad.'

@bitteralmonds666

Жыл бұрын

Because they are 🧉🦄

@hangukhiphop

Жыл бұрын

@@feydrautha012 he said ban smartphones lol

That 1/3 under 30 being virgins could be the most significant factoid any of us have ever heard as it represents a huge change in fundamental human behavior. I mean you can talk about cell phones or the internet and cultural revolutions blah blah blah but bottlenecks on Y chromosome diversity will have permanent and irreversible physical impacts on mankind and what our potential is. We've seen extreme periods in human history before where much smaller proportions of men are getting all the punani. Most of us are their descendants, which is probably why we are such pieces of crap. It's anyone's guess how men in different societies are going to eventually react to this state of affairs but I can't think it's going to be pleasant for anyone. Hopefully we don't run out of soy. It's going to take a lot of soy to keep the rage at a low simmer.

@kingofsting19

Жыл бұрын

Don't you have some skulls to go measure?

@Will_Moffett

Жыл бұрын

@@kingofsting19 i appreciate a good insult but honestly wtf are you talking about?

@terrycrichton

Жыл бұрын

@@Will_Moffett he's implying you are inclined towards pseudoscience, such as the racially obsessed mumbo jumbo of phrenology. I'm also sort of confused to what made him make that accusation though.

@akumakorgar

Жыл бұрын

Well talking about genetic bottlenecks and shit about "soy" and so on, the guy is clearly some kind of evo psych dork

@kingofsting19

Жыл бұрын

@@akumakorgar This person got it.

Make prostitution legal: problem solved.

spent the majority of my life dating and in long relationships 15-35. I've enjoyed the shit out of being single and dating when I feel like it the last few years/covid. Blessing in disguise.

Simple: legalize brothels The belief in monogamy is making us more lonely and sexless. Society in America has softly forced monogamy thanks for the Christians

@michaela8194

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love your complete disregard for economics. I'm sure there's something to your argument, but to not even mention economics is quite suspect. It's only the foundation of our material existence.

@gOaTcrackalac88

Жыл бұрын

They want to fuck without paying for it. Ironically they want the same system for sex that most people want for healthcare. Legalize sex work. Nationalize healthcare. Is that a fair trade off? I think so

@kingofsting19

Жыл бұрын

@@michaela8194 Get laid.