The Return of Competitive Dorfball

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Michigan Super Smash Bros. Melee is known for its deep bench of incredible players, making it perhaps the Midwest's premiere Midwest region, but its culture goes beyond simply high level play. One of West Michigan's most storied traditions is Dorfball, a game featuring two Captain Falcons and a Level 1 Ganondorf CPU that has captured the hearts of dozens, and a mode that saw new life in 2023, culminating with its appearance at The Big House 11 as an official unofficial side bracket.
I spoke to members of the Michigan Dorfball community about the game and its history, and uncovered more of that history in the process. SSBM may never be the same.
This video was shot in part in-person at The Big House 11, and I did so with a pretty jank recording setup, so I tried my best to save the audio but it is not perfect.
Originally premiered during Galint Fall Open 2023.
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  • @Anasazi0117
    @Anasazi01177 ай бұрын

    Really happy I could help out, and thanks so much for the awesome video!! Play Dorfball!

  • @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    7 ай бұрын

    pretty shameful video. ganondorf players are blatantly racist and deserve no attention in the smash community. thought we were better than this.

  • @kyallon1213
    @kyallon12137 ай бұрын

    I just like that melee has two ball-shaped characters and they chose to use kick the shit out of the embodiment of evil instead

  • @brodieorr5393

    @brodieorr5393

    2 ай бұрын

    We Midwesterners love balls and hate evil, I don't know what to tell ya

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal7 ай бұрын

    Despite being Midwest and also a huge fan of silly side game modes in Melee, I've actually never played Dorfball before. Appreciate you continually chronicling Midwest Melee culture!

  • @SSB_Seal

    @SSB_Seal

    7 ай бұрын

    Also let's go Kaiser

  • @EnergyBurst2

    @EnergyBurst2

    7 ай бұрын

    Which Midwest state you reppin'?

  • @SSB_Seal

    @SSB_Seal

    7 ай бұрын

    @@EnergyBurst2 I've been Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana. I'm currently in Indiana so let's go with that

  • @Woley5
    @Woley57 ай бұрын

    Some of the most hype crowds I've ever been a part of were not watching regular bracket matches but rather with Dorfball. Try and get your local scene to run it as a side event so you can experience it :) It's fast paced full of reversals and reverse hits which leads to dozens of KOs in minutes. It can be enjoyed at any skill level and doesn't need any mods **Ganon taunts** to be played!

  • @comfortablybrum

    @comfortablybrum

    7 ай бұрын

    Legalize Japes

  • @MarilynRollinger

    @MarilynRollinger

    7 ай бұрын

    It pains me to see the hidden lore of Legalizing Jungle Japes smothered by the dorfball commitee. Wake up Sheeple! Learn the true history they don't want you to find out. FREEDOM FOR JAPES! Great video btw

  • @OfficialPlasticHands
    @OfficialPlasticHands7 ай бұрын

    What?! People trying to have fun with this game blasphemy.

  • @CrowFGC

    @CrowFGC

    7 ай бұрын

    Gotta find a way somehow lol

  • @zwabTheRealOne

    @zwabTheRealOne

    7 ай бұрын

    Upon finding out some people were enjoying their game, Nintendo shipped Miyamoto out personally to hand these people their cease and desist.

  • @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    7 ай бұрын

    you think it's all fun and games until you find out that half of the ganondorf scene is filled with racist players with no regards for respect in the community.

  • @KD8_NotTheShoes
    @KD8_NotTheShoes7 ай бұрын

    Shoutout to woley for the prestigious second place at bighouse in a side event maybe next year!

  • @shrinkydink9217
    @shrinkydink92177 ай бұрын

    I remember playing Dorfball at locals in West Michigan in 2017-18, never thought I'd see it years later at TBH with the same people from those locals like Anasazi, Woley and Nyte.

  • @comeonandslam420

    @comeonandslam420

    7 ай бұрын

    Playing at Grand Valley tourneys was always a highlight for me.

  • @Twisted_Logic
    @Twisted_Logic7 ай бұрын

    4:50 Holy shit, that's my college scene! That was me and a friend on commentary. Honestly didn't think anyone would ever see those videos!

  • @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    7 ай бұрын

    notice how there isn't any non-white people. it's a wonder why ganondorf players are so racist.

  • @golem550

    @golem550

    3 ай бұрын

    Kind of insane. Never expected to see GV getting a shout-out, haha.

  • @vladfi1
    @vladfi17 ай бұрын

    We used to play something like this at my dorm in college except it was Bowser instead of Ganon and you could play any character. Puff rest was broken, and fox could steal kills with his laser. Was a ton of fun!

  • @GrissoAndShade
    @GrissoAndShade7 ай бұрын

    My local scene ran this one a while ago, seeing this is... making me want to host an event for it again. Great video!

  • @GrissoAndShade

    @GrissoAndShade

    7 ай бұрын

    WAIT!!! I'M COMMENTATING IN ONE OF THESE SHORT VIDEOS!!!

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    which one?!

  • @GrissoAndShade

    @GrissoAndShade

    7 ай бұрын

    @@wusstunes Around 4:50! Jeremy vs Darkgun with myself and my buddy Deor on commentary!

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    It's fun commentary! That was some of the more mysterious dorfball footage I found. Anasazi said the mode might have ended up in PM because of dirtboy, a Michgan PM goat, but I wasn't sure. @@GrissoAndShade

  • @GrissoAndShade

    @GrissoAndShade

    7 ай бұрын

    @@wusstunes Dirtboy was definitely one of those influences for it! Tbh, I feel Dorfball works a bit better in PM/P+ because of the larger stage variety it provides.

  • @vacantvisionary
    @vacantvisionary7 ай бұрын

    4:06 "The game is a breeding ground for slapstick interactions, especially when it's ball." So true, Wusstunes, SO true.

  • @parkourboio1062
    @parkourboio10627 ай бұрын

    holy shit ... why is the midwest the most INSANE region of super smash bros by far this video is beautiful

  • @autumnoraki

    @autumnoraki

    7 ай бұрын

    We are built different.

  • @ckorp666

    @ckorp666

    7 ай бұрын

    they got nothing better to do, culture finds a way

  • @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    @grdfhrghrggrtwqqu

    7 ай бұрын

    midwest also has the most racists. not a surprise to see sports for one of the most infamous blackface characters in video gaming.

  • @parkourboio1062

    @parkourboio1062

    7 ай бұрын

    blackface...? if we're talking about ganondorf, i guess i can understand seeing his facial features and grey/green skin as a caricature but i don't think that makes it black*face*, he's just a demon king as for the midwest: i cannot pretend to be knowledgable on this matter

  • @trueblueryu5713
    @trueblueryu57137 ай бұрын

    This actually sounds like a cool idea. I’m always looking for other game modes to mess around with. I think it helps a lot when one person in a friend group is way better in a game than the others, because then it isn’t lopsided.

  • @klarekeum7330
    @klarekeum73307 ай бұрын

    Yo wake up. The legend uploaded again

  • @ssjayy-xs5lh
    @ssjayy-xs5lh7 ай бұрын

    I love that smash caters to all sorts of crowds: competitive, casuals, and parties (either house rules or in game).

  • @FourheadWeapon
    @FourheadWeapon7 ай бұрын

    Never even knew that Dorfball was a thing. This is perhaps one of the most creative things in smash melee I've seen. It allows for player expressions with fancy combos and what have you. I think this should be right there with those combo displays with smash64

  • @GGMelee
    @GGMelee7 ай бұрын

    GG Melee Plays Dorfball

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    bet

  • @emmbeesea
    @emmbeesea7 ай бұрын

    Dang, remember when Slippi Volleyball was a thing for like, 2 weeks over the pandemic? Dorfball is the true way forward for in-Melee sports.

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    I liked volleyball but it was hard lol! Loved watching good players make it work but it was way too much to keep track of for me to be able to do anything in it.

  • @ShupperDupper
    @ShupperDupper7 ай бұрын

    oh, cool. i played a lot of “smash-ketball” or whatever people called it back in brawl’s release, with it’s custom maps. cute that melee did something like that.

  • @jawaring4367
    @jawaring43677 ай бұрын

    We created a game about 17 years ago where you have 2 (or even 3) Kirby players and one Captain Falcon NPC. At the beginning of the game Kirbies compete to swallow the Captain Falcon in order to get the hat and the Falcon Punch ability. Only one Kirby is allowed to have the hat at a time, and that Kirby tries to get kills on the other Kirby (or Kirbies) with a Falcon Punch. Only kills with the Kirby Punch count. Killing the Captain Falcon doesn't count either. You can swallow the Kirby with the hat to steal the hat, but once a Kirby has the hat you can't swallow the Captain Falcon again until the falcon Kirby dies or the hat is lost.

  • @jawaring4367

    @jawaring4367

    7 ай бұрын

    To mix it up the falcon NPC could also be another player who tries to run away from the Kirbies

  • @bingus1651
    @bingus16517 ай бұрын

    that dept of energy rulemaking clip was a true master's touch

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    they were worthless so i had to ask jeeves, and he wasnt very helpful either! e

  • @sigurdtheblue
    @sigurdtheblue7 ай бұрын

    The name by itself is actually hilarious!

  • @sandrocastanero3759
    @sandrocastanero37597 ай бұрын

    Lol you look like Peter Gabriel in his Genesis era a lot. Really great video as always

  • @anthonygillette
    @anthonygillette7 ай бұрын

    Legit going to play this with friends now

  • @ergusson2260
    @ergusson22607 ай бұрын

    fun side-event

  • @Muhzzy
    @Muhzzy7 ай бұрын

    Absolutely love your videos. PLEASE keep it up. I never even knew this game mode existed haha

  • @liammccarthy3973
    @liammccarthy39737 ай бұрын

    WEST MICHIGAN GAMERs WHATS GOOD

  • @brodieorr5393
    @brodieorr53932 ай бұрын

    Michigan style dorfball is a beautiful phrase, and I hope this mode takes off.

  • @OsthatoAlfakyn
    @OsthatoAlfakyn7 ай бұрын

    Just wanted to let you know this video made me try it out, having not touched melee for years, and introduce it to my friend who's one of the better players in my country - we both had a blast!

  • @Applesgosh
    @Applesgosh7 ай бұрын

    never even heard of dorfball but it looks so fun. gonna try it tonight with a friend

  • @miachristensen5444
    @miachristensen54447 ай бұрын

    great video!

  • @MrSlowpez10
    @MrSlowpez107 ай бұрын

    This seems like a blast. I need to play this. Would be amazing if this was modded to keep score

  • @SuperRollyTrolly
    @SuperRollyTrolly7 ай бұрын

    MICHIGAN MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOO

  • @weewoo3023
    @weewoo30237 ай бұрын

    Gonna introduce this to my friend group at lunch

  • @christomanci
    @christomanci7 ай бұрын

    I love game modes like this! I remember playing cactuar smash pancake with the best player in my region at one of my first local. Stuff like this is so good for 0-2ers to get into the scene.

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    I entered one CSP side event and I had no idea what was going on. Would like to understand it better lol.

  • @christomanci

    @christomanci

    7 ай бұрын

    @@wusstunes OH I just realized I got the name wrong its cactuar stamina pancake lol. Yeah its stamina mode and then there a bunch of rules. We used to play it pretty often in WI back in 2014-15. Honestly dont remember how to actually play its been years. For some reason I think we played on the mushroom kingdom stage that has birdo but I could be mistaken. Anyways there must be a smashboards thread on it somewhere.

  • @qjo_maste
    @qjo_maste7 ай бұрын

    i love all of these goffy fun side modes/events tournaments do from time to time sometimes they surpass the actual brackets in terms of fun to watch imo lol

  • @tatewalquist7523
    @tatewalquist75237 ай бұрын

    Reminds me of the arcade game Deathball, looks like a 10/10 experience.

  • @yosefu5009
    @yosefu50097 ай бұрын

    Played dorfball in ult at my local yesterday, highlight of my day for sure

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    Awesome! How did it work?

  • @lokemer1093
    @lokemer10937 ай бұрын

    great video we love dorfball

  • @xeofreestyler
    @xeofreestyler7 ай бұрын

    I was just looking for ideas side-events for my next tourney. This is perfect. From now on Smash BXL in Belgium will have DORFBALL on the menu! Does anyone have a link to that reddit post with other ideas for side-events?

  • @LRXC1
    @LRXC17 ай бұрын

    This looks sooooo fun

  • @Dzuh
    @Dzuh7 ай бұрын

    we ran this at a London weekly once, but we used Kirby because he's ball shaped. Dorf seems better because he's not so light, loool

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeah! That's a classic variant that seems to go further back.

  • @jadelynn4059
    @jadelynn40597 ай бұрын

    It’s me! SuperDry!! I played west Michigan melee for years! I had no idea Dorfball was a Michigan thing 😂😂😂 So cool to see you guys again❤ Hashslinging smasher 😂 Anasazi! God y’all are legends

  • @mightywurm
    @mightywurm7 ай бұрын

    another wusstunes banger

  • @YokaiNels
    @YokaiNels7 ай бұрын

    I'm surprised I've never heard of this it looks so fun

  • @5MadMovieMakers
    @5MadMovieMakers7 ай бұрын

    What an epic idea

  • @gershommaes902
    @gershommaes9027 ай бұрын

    "free for all dorfball" should just be called "full contact dorfball"

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    Actually yeah! In some of the interviews one of the things I thought was neat is that Dorfball with Team Attack Off is basically the only non contact sport version of Melee.

  • @unclepaul1995
    @unclepaul19955 ай бұрын

    So many Ideas. Metal Giant Heavy Special Smash Sumo Race around Hyrule Temple Kirby, DeDede, and Wario’s Barrels Eating Contest

  • @F0rger513
    @F0rger5137 ай бұрын

    Somebody show this video to Walt, he'll do a special on it, everyone will see it, and then we'll get it at more tournaments.

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    he's seen it

  • @MFjackson
    @MFjackson7 ай бұрын

    best vid already and i’m just watching the first ads

  • @shirakorimio1363
    @shirakorimio13635 ай бұрын

    I see you with that RO music 👀

  • @Joseph-cx4eg
    @Joseph-cx4eg7 ай бұрын

    2v2 dorfball is possible in the newer games. HDR (an ultimate mod that plays similar to melee) has so far been incredibly fun to play and I highly recommend it.

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    have you played 2v2 dorfball then? sounds hype

  • @Joseph-cx4eg

    @Joseph-cx4eg

    7 ай бұрын

    @@wusstunes It is one of the most fun things I’ve done in the series lol

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    very cool! will have to try to get it going sometime.

  • @lukenawrocki5042
    @lukenawrocki50427 ай бұрын

    Obsessed w Woley's hair I wish I had it 🥺

  • @DadGhostal
    @DadGhostal7 ай бұрын

    please never stop making good melee content

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    ok but im gonna make some bad stuff too for good measure

  • @DadGhostal

    @DadGhostal

    7 ай бұрын

    @@wusstunes as long as it's melee content homie keep it up you're goated

  • @justforyou8790
    @justforyou87907 ай бұрын

    a gamemode we played is poketrainer battles. both pick ness and only pokeballs spawn with high spawnrates. u divide any stage by 2 to give each player a half. you can only use balls that are on your side or exactly on the object/ landmark that is the border betweeen your halfs. venom is the best map in my experience. why ness? coz you can hit balls with the baseball bat giving it another layer but it takes skill to pull of. variations like adding food or other specific items are possible to mix it up. just dont add to much or the gamemode suddenly is throw sh*t at each other

  • @JigChu7
    @JigChu77 ай бұрын

    Pog I want to play this

  • @jongyon7192p
    @jongyon7192p7 ай бұрын

    what if not 2 falcons? What would be the characters dorfball tier list? mewtwo? G&W?

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    they were saying falco would probably be good. i feel like falcon would probably still be the best at it.

  • @tempatchtheveryweird3665
    @tempatchtheveryweird36657 ай бұрын

    that is certainly a way of saying Gerudo 💀

  • @n0lain
    @n0lain7 ай бұрын

    I really wanna run this at my next local, but it seems really hard to keep score. Is it usually better to have the players keep track, or should I be in the back tallying up the points?

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    Usually the players just keep count themselves, though I've seen some stream setups where they keep a running count on the stream for both players.

  • @sylvanadvocate1858
    @sylvanadvocate18587 ай бұрын

    That's me Gary!!!

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    actually its only gary if its level 9. otherwise its just "sparkling ganondorf"

  • @SetupCarrier
    @SetupCarrier7 ай бұрын

    Let's go Woley!

  • @protocetid
    @protocetid7 ай бұрын

    The G in Gerudo doesn’t have the J sound

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    I'm well aware at this point lol

  • @Asoarviver
    @Asoarviver7 ай бұрын

    I was almost in this video

  • @davidbehrens4760
    @davidbehrens47607 ай бұрын

    "jerudo"

  • @bibbyboxx2219
    @bibbyboxx22197 ай бұрын

    W video

  • @MetiCu
    @MetiCu7 ай бұрын

    Ganonjalf

  • @DaedricDanish
    @DaedricDanish7 ай бұрын

    Jer-oo-doh

  • @fropi5523
    @fropi55237 ай бұрын

    Would the game be as good in ult?

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    idk! i think the momentum/physics system in Melee/P+ does a lot to make modes like this feel kinetic and fun, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

  • @Sandmann629
    @Sandmann6297 ай бұрын

    juhroodoh

  • @sigurdtheblue
    @sigurdtheblue7 ай бұрын

    You looked cute by the way.

  • @expoogaloo
    @expoogaloo5 ай бұрын

    Saying “2015” and seeing the Reddit post say 8 years ago was heartbreaking 2015 was actually 8 years ago oh my god

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    5 ай бұрын

    9

  • @raghugba863
    @raghugba8637 ай бұрын

    Algorithm food comment here

  • @SuperMachoGamer
    @SuperMachoGamer7 ай бұрын

    This looks goofy.. 🤨

  • @sinankircan
    @sinankircan7 ай бұрын

    why isn't it called ganonball tho? smh

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korfball

  • @jakezepeda1267
    @jakezepeda12677 ай бұрын

    The Rise, Fall, and Rise Again of being unoriginal and steal other youtubers title formats.

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    swag swag swag swag swag

  • @Hiyo420
    @Hiyo4207 ай бұрын

    ur hand weird sry

  • @wusstunes

    @wusstunes

    7 ай бұрын

    who gives a shit

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