4:48 I think the decision to make her mother "Ivy League-Educated Mentally Ill" was intended to instil in Beth a sense that her prodigious nature is also a curse which would coincide with her addiction throughout the series and self-destruction towards the end.

@ItsDylanHarding

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I saw her mom in the show as thematically representative of Beth's worst-case scenario. They were both incredibly talented nd capable individuals who struggled with mental illness in some way, but Beth was able to avoid her mother's tragic fate by all of the choices she makes and blah blah blah. I still think the series is just "okay," and it does feature a few notably problematic changes from the book, but this point was not one of them and simply adds to the complexity of Beth's character.

@yondie491

3 жыл бұрын

I was legit confused by how long they spent on this. It mirrored Beth's life. Genius can be genetic. The classic "becoming your parents." The line between genius and madness. Seriously, why do any thing other than mentioning it and moving on.

@Mckandy69

3 жыл бұрын

When I first watched the series I also thought it was an excuse Beth used when facing here addiction to pills. She felt she needed them to keep from being her mother.

@AnnaS-cz1oc

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@KS-xk2so

3 жыл бұрын

OP has this exactly right. Its meant to show that genius can sometimes teeter on the edge of madness, and represent what could happen to Beth if all she focuses on is Chess and not becoming a fully formed adult, who takes care of themselves properly. That's part of why Harry shares that story of the chessmaster Morphy before he leaves her. He's worried she may become the next "Pride and Sorrow of Chess" if she doesn't develop some balance in her life.

I.... That only came out in late October? Wow. I honestly could have sworn it was much earlier.

@KevinReijnders93

3 жыл бұрын

I know right, feels like it was years ago already.

@merloaf0332

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf 2021 going by so quickly

@AnonymousFreakYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@merloaf0332 It’s strange to believe it’s already August 27!

The woman's audio sound a little off

@KevinReijnders93

3 жыл бұрын

Likely she recorded from home and doesn't have a studio quality mic

@Jefferson-ly5qe

3 жыл бұрын

Is it computer generated?

The non-chronology of the first scene should barely be considered an artistic decision tbh, it’s essentially a trailer. Get people hooked and prove that the whole show isn’t about children in an orphanage, promise.

I love the video but do you think IGN can afford a better mic for the female narrator.

@howardron543

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it was just her voice

@Buto2010

3 жыл бұрын

A better mic would change the world.

@frebu5379

3 жыл бұрын

You would think the person mixing the audio tracks would have kicked it back as needing to be re-recorded. It sounds like she recorded it on her phone and they cleaned it up.

The only disappointment with the show is no kinetic cards were thrown

@brianchristensen7630

3 жыл бұрын

Pin.it

The actor that plays Townes was like a cheaper and younger Oscar Isaac.

@mrhello7611

3 жыл бұрын

I personally saw him more as a discount Henry Cavill type

If a man wants to photograph you in his hotel room, *run*.

@MrX-hz2hn

3 жыл бұрын

Unless, maybe, you *want* to be ... _photographed_ by him, in his hotel room.

At no point is Beth deceptive about her age. When she is checked into the orphanage four minutes into the first episode, paperwork is shown giving her exact date of birth: November 2, 1948.

I am still hoping for a "Brave Little Toaster" episode.

Do a What's the difference for Doctor Sleep.

disaster artist would be awesome. i know i said it before

That was great, as always. Thought I'm not sure about the more opinionated comparisons in this one. I may like these more neutral. But it's a matter of taste, not quality.

@Peecamarke

2 жыл бұрын

I come for both the opinions and facts, it's interesting hearing others speculative opinions

That's a really good series. I'm going to binge that show again maybe next week. I might buy the book too.

I like you pointing out all the tweaks to the show and our best guesses as to why the writers and showrunners would have made them to adapt the book to TV. It does seem like you thought the writers had an agenda with everything instead of just adapting it in their own way to make characters they thought would be more interesting or more understanding or more appropriate for TV. I agree with many of the reasons you give but sometimes I thought maybe they just saw a way of making an interesting character instead of some other suggestions you made. Like I'm not sure what you were trying to say about her friend helping in the last episode and why you were so upset about her. I don't think 64 million Americans would have wanted to see two young girls doing what you described in bed and then calling the other the N word, and also not wanted to see a young girl abused by an adult for pills. Those kind of changes probably stem from acceability to the largest audience. But then you are upset she comes back and helps her out financially as well as is married. It seemed like you were upset there was a reverse White Savior trope but I'm not sure why that was bad and not just convenient for the story and closing out a character's relationship arc. But then you were upset she was married? It's different from the book and thats the point of this show to point out, but it was minor and let her, like several other characters, have her happily ever after ending. Im glad you pointed them out but I think it's more interesting and fun to say art is art and not criticize the writers for the changes they made but observe them and analysis the characters depth instead. Love the show, thanks for making the video!

@Doversund

3 жыл бұрын

I had similar thoughts after watching the video.

@warrenphilips8441

3 жыл бұрын

It seemed like everything that offended both of the commentator's sense of woke-ness was just improvements on the writing.

@clownpendotfart

3 жыл бұрын

@@warrenphilips8441 What constitutes an improvement is subjective.

@Gwarthie

3 жыл бұрын

Just a correction, the friend doesn't get married - she is sleeping with her married white boss (married to someone else). I suspect that is what irritated them - completely shifts the agency of the character.

@christophermcconnell676

Жыл бұрын

The difference the between the book and show for the friend's reappearance is that the main character reached out for help in the book, while in the show she appeared like magic help her. Also "reverse white savior" has a name. It is called "magical black person" a trope older than the "white savior". It is similar to "sambo" and the "noble savage" tropes. The hosts are correct to imply the show's version of the friend lends itself to this trope. The show also pointlessly went further in making the friend more morally compromised than in the book, she was hired to meet a quota, like in the book, but also sleeping with her married boss and the car she owns is a gift from said boss makes her sound like a morally corrupt opportunist. I think your right in that Netflix wanted to reach a wider audience, but to do that they watered down and mystified mental illness, and made a Black character an immoral magical savior.

I love your outro

Also have to keep in mind that chess also got huuuuge in the online streaming world around the same time. I can't say which is the chicken or the egg, but they coincided conveniently to compound on each others' popularity.

@rcallenberg

3 жыл бұрын

The fact that chess boomed online might have more to do with this annoying little pandemic which stopped more or less all over the board play.

@meatloafmen

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcallenberg for sure had some effect for the actual pros who happened to stream, but they only really got big because of the interest of the biggest streamers.

@rcallenberg

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatloafmen Not "some effect". It was huge. There were nearly no chess tournaments world wide, on any level. So, nearly everybody switched to playing online (playing online has a very long tradition in chess, the first chess server was set up 1980, long before most people knew what the internet was and years before the WWW was developed). When doing so. lots of activities were started, for instance Magnus Carlsen set up a whole tournament series for world class players, in Germany at least two complete league systems were established etc. One of the activities was to involve popular streamers in form of chess battles amongst them. But chess in general and world wide went completely online during the pandemic. All this has not so much to do with this show, that's just a coincidence.

Idk about the espionage and/or flirting sexually with the main character. To both of us(my wife and I), she was just acting out what she wanted most, which is a friend an a female friend at that(because chess is primarily male). I thought she saw her as the person she wanted to become at most, someone confident in being a woman. If there was Espionage that would be surprising, but hey it's possible.

The change to more moneyed parents had to follow from the decision to make Beth's mother an Ivy League level scholar. As a woman it was unlikely enough that whe would get such an education in the 40-50s, being poor too would have made it near impossible. The choice to my mind had less to do with elitism and more to do with juxtaposing Beth's attempts to make it in a very patriarchal snobbish world with her mother's previous failure to do so. The whole series was about women trying to find a way to be who they are in a world where there are no real role models for them except as wives and mothers. Her adoptive mother was another example of such a fate, being a very talented pianist who had to give it up completely on marriage.

@warrenphilips8441

3 жыл бұрын

My mom recommended this show to me precisely because of this. I thought it was very tastefully done as well, not beating you over the head with woke man hating feminist victim virtue signaling, but that the struggles of the '60s are there and can be overcome. Positive feminism.

@Catsby83

3 жыл бұрын

But the book does the same thing in a better way by making Beth a more internally strong character. She isn’t reliant on others but is able to ask for help when she needs it. It’s not a matter of following in her mother’s footsteps but about her being the best at something she loves. Though Beth notices that she’s one of the few ( or only in some cases) woman at tournaments it doesn’t discourage her. She’s strong enough to do what needs to be done and that’s because of who she is, not who her mother was. Like they said, her mother didn’t need to be an Ivy League scholar so it’s just another useless at best, repulsive at worst, change from the source material.

@ShinigamiInuyasha777

3 жыл бұрын

@@Catsby83 But isn't the whole theme of the show about how loneliness and over-self-relience will lead you to addiction? I mean if the show had attempted to make herself get patched to seek help would only turn addiction into a self-inflicted problem that doesn't required any help from others...wich just isn't true

LOVED this miniseries.

I would love a What's the Difference on Red Dragon (movie and book) and Manhunter (the earlier adaption).

@seanodeli7031

Жыл бұрын

His last name is spelled differently and Hannibal has 6 fingers besides that not much

This was such an awesome mini series. Great stuff!

5:10 - 5 x 3 = 15 not 18. Surprised Beth became a prodigy considering her teachers were absolute ninnys

@vincentpelletier57

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe that is why the teacher was so impressed with her results :-)

@rcallenberg

3 жыл бұрын

This is indeed quite unrealistic. But it's the same in the book.

@Freezient

3 жыл бұрын

She made a mistake, she looks down to look for the erasers to correct it and realizes its not there

3:50 That jitter effect was not in the original. Trouble with the rendering?

Do disaster artist PLEASE

The Queen's Gambit made chess great again. Also, what will you do next?

@TheGreatEmerorMu

3 жыл бұрын

Lol got' em

@warrenphilips8441

3 жыл бұрын

This video seemed a bit whiney that the adaptation wasn't conforming to current woke think.

@alzerbardoz1953

3 жыл бұрын

Also, who's filling in for Casey?

Do you guys have new writers now that you're under the thumb of IGN? You guys focused intensely and project into many things that didn't require it, like the genius thing, the Hudson thing, the accusation of queer-bating, and much more.

@yondie491

3 жыл бұрын

"once you realize why [the small change] was made, it becomes even more frustrating" You can't define projection better than that.

@ATMyles

3 жыл бұрын

Also, I don’t need them telling us to wear a mask and get vaccinated. I come to these vids to escape, not be preached to or lectured.

@handlesarestupid154

3 жыл бұрын

@@ATMyles get over it lol

@Peecamarke

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't mind the writing of this episode it was very thought provoking just like all the others

I don't mind some critique of the changes but damn, I feel like there was no neutrality at all here, you just actively looked for the worst possible reasons for everything. Also yes I thought the same thing about Jolene being the "black friend" trope but also... you could say the same thing about most of the characters? The most unrealistic part of the show was how enthusiastically everyone rallied around Beth and sacrificed things for her talent. Really glad to see What the Difference come back but I hope they're not all quite this negative and nitpicky.

I really like this more critical take on "what's the difference" style. really good!

@nitfens6863

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Give us a spin-off! "What's the difference made solely for the sake of Hollywood self affirmation and cultural conformity".

@clownpendotfart

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit less keen on it. I want to know in what ways adaptation changes the source material, not how it's wrong to make certain adaptation changes or to use certain tropes. And the theory of Cleo being a Russian spy is really speculative.

Now you have me wanting to watch it for the hundredth time. 🤣

Have you done Breakfast at Tiffany's yet? It was free on YT last week so I watched it for the 1st time & didn't know it was based on a book until I read the comments

Can we get a what's the difference between IGN cinemafix vs non IGN cinemafix? because it sure as hell feels different.

@keaton4155

3 жыл бұрын

I’d disagree they’re super similar feeling

@TheN0odles

3 жыл бұрын

I don't like the fact that there's a 2nd presenter.

@WillKrause21

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheN0odles There always is for these what's the difference episodes, it's just a different second person this time

@gamongames

3 жыл бұрын

@@WillKrause21 goes to show the person is complaining without knowing jackshit about the series

@TheGreatPurpleFerret

3 жыл бұрын

@@gamongames there's a distinct "Oh no there's a girl!" feel to this one (referring to the commentor) as well. I do wonder what this would be like if it was a more informal conversation between the two presenters and not totally scripted and recorded separately.

We need another Top 10 Fight Scenes! I miss that iconic font and countdown! You can turn anything into an art form. Who's with me?!?

I just recently bought the book but haven't read it yet - can't wait to come back and watch this after

@Catsby83

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you thoroughly enjoy it! It’s probably one of the best books I’ve read this year.

Could you guys do a What‘s the Difference for Fight Club, Trainspotting, Murder on the Orient-Express, The Godfather or 300

If you guys ever met a PhD student at Cornell, especially one in the math department, you’d realize how believable it is she became mentally ill.

Can we get "Things you didn't know about Mortal Kombat" with the new movie being out?

Thank you for putting this out and pointing out show plot points that went over my head. Also, some of the nuance in the tweaks in characters was really driven home. Please keep up the great work!

2020 was a great year to binge watch

Does the pressure that Jolie forces upon beth when they were young ever come up into the book? Like Beth goes to her when she takes back her life but what did the trauma that that type of event would cause do to her later in life?

Great series and I should pick up the novel.

I really hope you guys do a comparison of comic and show Invincible.

What those that read symbol mean? On the photo of the video? (Sorry bad English)

@MrR2rog

3 жыл бұрын

It's the opposite of an equal sign and it's sometimes used in math to represent that two things are not equal

@SeanTBarrett

3 жыл бұрын

Arturo G is correct, but to expand a little bit, the symbol itself is an equals sign with a slash through it; slashing-through is often used to mean "no _______".

Francesca was very good!! Would like to hear more from her!

How about doing a “Book vs. Film” vid about the Bonfire of the Vanities?

So we’re not going to talk about the fact that Jolene sexually assaulted Beth at the orphanage in the book

This was a damn good show.. And to make it better chess show Scott Frank got Garry Kasparov to work alot on the show.. This part ofcourse makes the show some different from the book, but that is for sure a good thing.

Next do a video about Netflix's adaptation of the sci-fi horror novel "Tiger King"

Please make an episode about deadly class

I loved the book and I hope to get Netflix soon because the show looks beautiful.

@gigirauchut1882

3 жыл бұрын

It's such a good show

I haven't watched the show or read the book but it's What The Difference so I have to watch it. I mean Chess is kind of fun every now and then but I didn't think it sounded very fun to watch.

@rcallenberg

3 жыл бұрын

In reality watching chess is indeed absolutely boring if you are not a chess player yourself. But the show did a great job presenting it in a visually appealing way, so that also non (or occasional) chess players can enjoy the show.

@Ergoperidot

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcallenberg It’s a character study in my view. You don’t have to be a chess player to enjoy the show just like how you don’t have to be a mentally-ill, politically extreme, taxi driver to enjoy Taxi Driver. I had friends who actively dislike playing chess enjoy the show

@merloaf0332

3 жыл бұрын

Chess is soooo boring to watch, but the queens gambit did a good job with the cinematography, the soundtrack, Anya superb role and overall its a great show.

Uk = multiple countries - thank you for the recognition :D

I didn't see it til this weekend

Is that the voice of pushing up roses!

I keep finding little problems like these in shows nowadays and the more I think about them the bigger the problems seem to become.

The criticism about the financial situation of Beth's parents is quite contrived. It actually can be seen as a consequence of how the mother is portrayed in contrast to the book. They wanted to show her as an extremely intelligent woman - much like Beth (with maybe similar problems which she wasn't able to cope with - contrary to Beth). To demonstrate it without too much exposition, they show her having a degree from an elite university. And therefore it is just more likely that she is situated in a more prosperous social class than being rooted in a trailer park.

@jerseyfrill

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I liked the criticism since it did made me think about how a writer could portray that relationship without the classist undertones but I do think there was a more substantial reason for the change in this instance.

Please do the prestige

Can you do stephen king the stand whats the difference

You guys need to do Annihilation next! Always love these. Also what's the deal with using the 'whats the difference' thumbnail on non 'whats the difference' videos. Kinda misleading.

Can you do a what's the difference on the hunger games? Please 🥺🥺🥺

Can you guys do Mortal Konbat 2021 movie homemade plzzzz I beg you!!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone thought of doing a what's the difference for The Wicker Man (1973) and the book Ritual?

Make the Watch From Home Theater of SW: A New Hope! please please please!

What's wrong with IGN?!

Can we get a Mortal Combat- What's the Difference comparing the movie to the historic fights themselves.

Just me or is the female voice's audio kind of shitty?

I missed the part about her coming from money. That may have put me off but I didn't start this one thinking I'd like it

This was a great analysis of the different mediums and how decisions made can impact the characters and how they are perceived. Thank you for all you continue to do.

what only 200 views

do requiem for a dream!

I do remember the cold war from Rocky 4

Perhaps for the first time in years, being a hardcore fan of your channel, I don't like your review. Yes, the book and the film have some irreconcilable differences. So look at it for what it is - just a different take on a story that may or may not have happened. The movie is fantastic. The story at the beginning contributes to Beth's self-abasement later on, believing that her mother was crazy so she's got some crazy in her too - until Jolene disabuses her of this idea. Altogether, everything that happened to her in the first six episodes of the show, brings her to a moment of amazing closure in episode 7 when she finds Mr. Shibel's board and then cries her heart out in Jolene's car. The acting in the show is phenomenal. not only by Anya but by the actor who plays Towns and pretty much everyone else. The characters are completely believable. Their stories are heart-wrenchingly real. The show has so many heart-warming moments that the book does not have. Both are marvelous, but they are not the same.

@wwaxwork

3 жыл бұрын

Disagreeing doesn't mean you don't like the review, it means it's not the same as your opinion. The sooner people realize how you feel (like or don't like) is not connected to (disagree or agree) the better the world will be.

a shame about the differences that didn't need to be there but it still seems like it is worth watching and reading

This was truly a garbage edition of an otherwise good series. Do you think people don't consume both media, so they just take your word for the differences you mention? In the book, Beth has her "people recognize her in the park" moment, but it's in the middle of the Moscow tournament, not at the end. There are a dozen other instances of your manipulating the source material(s) here. This was so infuriatingly bad, as a fan of both the book and the show.

Do scissor 7

we need game of thrones whats the difference when winds of winter come out, and I need something, as good as, to fill the void that the show has left on my heart, please

It's not 'classist bs' it's opportunities that only exist for the rich. as someone like this who ISN'T rich, it's more insulting to pretend that it's equally likely for a poor person to have this story.

Is that PushingUpRoses or someone who sounds like her?

Maybe you guys would have better views if you considered continuing the walking dead differences series

Am I the only one who think ATJ doesn't look over 20? I mean until they add the bags under her eyes I thought she looked almost exactly the age she played in Split.

Is that PushingUpRoses?

I don't think this video was "sabotage" since Clint and Francesca read their script accordingly.

Do 300

Man on fire What’s the mother effing difference

I thought it was about arrow lol

Putting Anja Taylor Joy in a wig and saying she's 14 doesn't work :') she looks so weird when she's supposed to be a child

Trust me I miss your old logo that was better than this

Unlimited power ?

that was bit weird...

Why so serious?

Very good points, I loved both the book and the series, but the story of Beth’s mother was unnecessary. I liked how both the book and the series threw light on gender issues of the society of the period.

Francesca Ravera sounds like DarkMatter2525's girlfriend

Hormuculus had me thinking.. okay, he fixed her with rape? But the movie was being true to the manga a little. The protagonist isn't a good guy, he questions if what he's seeing is real and it his ways of fixing is even a way of fixing. It's good in the sense I think the author's ideas were a bit wrong but the manga was also about that. It's an odd one, not always comfortable but between the manga and movie they both seem to be about how important everyone around you can be and are but they hurt too but maybe you think you can help but you might be inflicting your own trauma on others if you do and it didn't give answers

This doesn’t seem nearly as funny or well put together as the old what’s the differences.

@ATMyles

3 жыл бұрын

They’ve gone woke.

How about a Forrest Gump - What's the difference?

Paris is the city of light. Lyon is the city of lights.

Wait so did they like the series, or what?

@handlesarestupid154

3 жыл бұрын

Not really the point of the video tbf

@robbieshand6139

3 жыл бұрын

@@handlesarestupid154 True, but if they'd spent a bit more time saying what was good about one of the most well-received shows of recent years perhaps their video wouldn't have come across so preachy and supercilious.

Jon

I guess Cinnefix doesn't believe is gay spies.

I swear knowing the book details just made the tv show that much more worse. I really hated all the deus-ex-machinas in the tv-show and how it removed all of Beth's agency in her own story...

@okami1101

3 жыл бұрын

what's the saying "the book is always better" still for the average person would not know this series is based on a book and would almost would not care not care because this is a good series to binge on your own time, the acting , the dialog, the set, etc it perfect and a series that found its own footing