Crime and Punishment is the perfect novel for anyone who has something to hide... And we all have something to hide...

@AAscension

2 жыл бұрын

This is a good way of describing of what I got out of the book. That, and that the only way to redemption is admitting your mistakes and opening yourself for relationships with others.

@werquantum

Жыл бұрын

“Meta real.” Great term. Equally great concept.

@djbmore9405

Жыл бұрын

What do you guys think is the best English version of the book? Thank you so much. I'm having a hard time deciding.

@werquantum

Жыл бұрын

@@djbmore9405 You can drive yourself to paralysis researching what translation is best. All of them have issues, as they are all, by default, imperfect. I’ve only read the Constance Garnett translation, which I enjoyed immensely. Unless you’re going to learn Russian, pick one now, and get on with it. You’ll be glad you did.

@djbmore9405

Жыл бұрын

@@werquantum Hey, first of all, thank you for caring enugh to even respond to me. I appreciate it. And of course, I'm gonna read it. I'm excited. Many blessings to you🙏🏽😊

I just started reading this book. It is absolutely amazing how Dostoyevsky can translate the anxiety and mania involved in murder and the rationalization that the murderer himself has to justify in order to commit such an act.

@gazariath

Жыл бұрын

I was more impressed by the apathy and disconnect that Roskolnikov felt to human life after the murder (especially after the peasant woman trying to kill herself on the bridge). The disconnect to mainstream humanity which I think many people feel today.

@mayuri5928

Жыл бұрын

It's also fascinating how he is able to translate the waking internal sufferings of the characters into nebulous and unsettling dreams. His understanding of human psychology gives this book an intense verisimilitude

@djbmore9405

Жыл бұрын

Would anyone be kind enough and recommend me the best English version of the book? Thank you so much. I'm having a hard time deciding.

@Almneur

Ай бұрын

It's fiction. You think serial killer psychology is like Roskolnikov's? No. Dostoevsky was writing fiction for intellectuals who can't see reality.

I am only on chapter 4 for crime and punishment, but that conversation Raskolnikov had with the drunk man about human dignity and begging was just incredible. And the way he almost makes you sympathize with him despite ruining his family through his alcoholism is just peak writing

Finished this book today. I think it warns agains dangers of the notion of the ‘greater good’ in a very interesting way. Something incredibly relevant to the modern world: - Can you handle the consequences of actually doing things for the greater good (murder and suffering) -What gives you the right to bring about the greater good? (the notion of the superior man) -What about the innocence lost in pursuit of the greater good? (Lizaveta) -How do you know that the greater good is actually greater, or good? (Objective morality) I think the 20th century serves as a great warning as to dangers of trying to bring about the greater good or in other words a utopia. It’s astonishing to me how Dostoyevsky was able to prophesies this decades before the atrocities of communism, Nazism and fascism actually materialised, all ideologies which seeked to bring about a utopia. .

@vasssilissk

Ай бұрын

that’s even more sad knowing that he didn’t only kill Lizaveta, but also her infant..

@Almneur

Ай бұрын

Apparently, Putin has not read the novel. Putin has killed 250,000 Ukrainians and 300,000 of his own people in the military. The novel is for entertainment but has no pertinence to real life, bro. That's why I will never read Crime and Punishment.

@gormenfreeman499

Ай бұрын

Yeah I think people should be free actors in nature, because in some respects we are nature. We cant play god trying to direct ourselves, controlling what people can say, telling them what to like. The American ideals of the bill of rights I think strikes a balance between total anarchy and total state control allowing people to be free while setting some light boundaries with the state telling people what to do.

I read Crime and Punishment recently, and it was so incredible. One those books I see myself re-reading.

@deangreen2567

2 жыл бұрын

I think that is was actually made to re-read. They say that about Dostoevsky’s writings, there will be things of such depth that we didn’t even think about on the first reading.

@Lipanj92

Жыл бұрын

I read it as an 18 year old back in high school and completely fell in love with it and was obsessed with Dostoyevsky. Now, 12 years later I'm planning on reading it again.

@djbmore9405

Жыл бұрын

Would anyone be kind enough and recommend me the best English version of the book? Thank you so much. I think I'm having a hard time deciding

@Ricky-es9vg

Жыл бұрын

@@djbmore9405 Go for the Pevear/Volokhonsky version! That is probably the best one out there.

@djbmore9405

Жыл бұрын

@@Ricky-es9vg Hey Ricky, thank you for caring enough to even respond to me. I might gonna read the Barnett one. But maybe in the future I will get the P&V and read it too. Thank you once again.

“Why do only white males watch Peterson?” Here I am, 17 years old, mixed race, devout Muslim, Asian. In my personal crisis of meaning, you have been the most helpful person in the last 6-8 months, especially during the initial stages of COVID. I’ve watched all you Biblical lectures; listened to almost every podcast and interviews you’ve attended; read 12 rules for life, crime and punishment, notes from underground and lots more which I discovered through you. Why am I saying all this? The reason is that, a year and a half ago, the number of books I had read (or done any learning) outside school is ZERO, i.e. if you don’t count the 5 min ted-ed videos! I couldn’t even listen to a podcast, let alone reading Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy. One of the many things that I’ve learnt recently is that the way through all this mess is education, real education and not the bloody skimming of secondary literature for the sake of exams. I’ve set up a goal of reading all the books on your website (I think there’s 110) in the next 4 years. The best part is that I’m looking forward to it, which is the exact antithesis of my attitude towards the school curriculum. Looking forward to every death and rebirth, every transformation, as you’d say. Things have been very difficult, but thanks to you, I now have an aim and I’m working towards it. “If you speak the truth, then what happens is good. Regardless of what happens.” I truly believe that now. Dr. Peterson, we need you and we’re all praying for your well-being.

@kanekarazi6477

3 жыл бұрын

Ya zalame...nobody would have a problem with religion if people were like you or JP, very well put and I'm glad to know that you're doing better, I'm trying to sculpt a better me too (thanks to JP). Best of wishes from Lebanon habibe.

@GoofyToony

3 жыл бұрын

Mexican here (not that it matters) truth breaks through race and culture

@sheppycider123

3 жыл бұрын

Where did you get that quote from? Also admirable to hear your story!

@Sameer_Hussain_007

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheppycider123 It's from one of the Biblical Lectures.

@castr4203

3 жыл бұрын

Dr Peterson is one of the great thinkers of our time.

I read Crime and Punishment as a teenager. I have forgotten most about what I have read. I didn’t understand its complexity at that time at all. If I have time, it’s going to be the first book that I will reread

Imagine the joy of sitting in his class every day i have had some amazing teachers, i wonder the amazing people he was able to teach and the many more he will teach, we need more Teachers like JBP.

Funny timing. I just finished re-listening to Crime and Punishment. It's such a fantastic book

I miss Crime and Punishment and Dr. Peterson. Thank you.

I’ve read this book about almost 40% and dropped it because I got distracted. I’m picking it back up! I do remember all the scenes dr Peterson mentions and it only motivates me to keep reading it.

@jackfarr_23

3 жыл бұрын

I've finished it! I recommend you do too - it's well worth it!

@xXxDanPersianxXx

3 жыл бұрын

I just finished it today. Hope you had the chance to read it. It was fantastic!

@anabolicchicken4115

Жыл бұрын

Had the same experience when I was 19. Tried again 2 years later and I'm hooked af and more than halfway through

I think an alternate moral of the story could be that, if you are going to commit an evil act, understand beforehand what it will do to you. If you want revenge, or to avenge, then you should imagine the worst possible consequences to yourself. And then only commit the act if you are willing to accept those consequences _immediately,_ whether they happen then or never do. I'm reminded of a man who knew there was a child rapist in his neighborhood, and murdered him. Went to prison for 14 years. He said that was an acceptable trade-off; that the lives of the children he protected were worth more than his own.

@StarOnTheWater

3 ай бұрын

But Raskolnikow did get out of it what he needed and wanted but just didn't know at the time. He never regretted the murder! Ultimately this was the experience that allowed him to live in the now , and , only on the last pages, give up his intellectualisation and start to FEEL or, in a way, heal. Thank god we've come a long way since and today there's psaychotherapy for this.

@Fenkibbs

28 күн бұрын

​@@StarOnTheWaterbut he couldn't keep up with the burden of it and was suffering because of it. I think he also mentions that apparently he wasn't the _man_ he thought himself to be

I respect him so much , I cant believe of myself reading so many books from his recommendation.

Thank you for posting this talk. It was very good to listen to right now, as I just finished reading the last page of the book, Crime and Punishment. I read it and summarized each chapter after reading it. I read it aloud on my channel. I wanted to go deep into the story, and I find that reading aloud and making notes for myself is helpful for me. I like what Jordan Peterson says about the tendency of some to set up a straw man. It's a way to fool yourself and certainly others, and feel smug about it, without some annoying obligation to research honestly a position you want to take. I like how he says to put up an "iron man" - or a steely argument against what your are proposing, and THEN see how your ethical point can stand up. That would be a more honest approach, intellectually and morally. I am impressed how Peterson just speaks from his thoughts, yet his points are organized and flow easily and in a logical progression. That's hard to do! Also, I find it funny how sometimes when he paces towards the double doors, you can see people peering through the crack - haha.

I just finished Crime and Punishment today. It was truly the best novel I've ever read and grasped so many ideas--im gonna have to sleep on this for a while.

Thank you for posting the video. Dr. Peterson's lecture is always so interesting and educational

i missed your posts Dr Peterson...hope youre feeling better

Praying for your health🙏🏼

Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov He is the primordial "Literally Me" character.

Get well soon doc. I pray you will make it through this

The world needs Jordan Peterson now more than ever....

GOD BLESS YOU DR PETERSON.

Briefly read this book about 5 years ago. While watching this video, I just bought it online.

I just finished the book for the 1st time about a week ago. Amazing

@Honeyiroseupfromthedead

3 жыл бұрын

how was it?

It's also the predictive power of Dostoyevsky's work which is amazing. Read the final chapter in the Epilogue of Crime and Punishment - the story of Raskolnikov's dream. He basically describes the mind virus which is running rampant in society today. The only way for us to innoculate ourselves is to return to a true central value structure - in my mind a return to faith in God.

@SumitKumarrr1

Жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate on why you believe Raskolnikov's final nightmare to be prophetic?

@jonnies

Жыл бұрын

@@SumitKumarrr1 It essentially describes the mind virus that has manifested itself as wokeness/postmodernism. Those most infected must silence and destroy anyone who disagrees with their ideology.

@SumitKumarrr1

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnies I think the novel is prophetic in the sense of the murder itself. Look up a guy named Dmitry Karkazov. He was a guy that was very eerily similar to Raskolnikov who commited his own acts around the time the novel was being published, far after Dostoevsky conceived the character.

@jonnies

Жыл бұрын

@@SumitKumarrr1 I don't dispute that at all, the idea that Dostoyevsky was inspired by events he heard of or witnessed. It's totally true. And what's more, Dostoyevsky's novels all centre around different elements of human psychology - and what else can one base that expression on but our own experience (and that of anecdote)? None of this lessens the predictive power of Dostoyevsky. Devils (or 'Demons' in some regions) is another great example of this... effectively capturing exactly the sort of things that would happen some 50 years later as Lenin came to power.

@SumitKumarrr1

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnies I was adding to your argument. This specific dude almost identical to Raskolnikov came about AFTER Raskolnikov was conceived and a lot of the novel was written. I was laying credence to his predictive power. In fact, Leopold and Loeb are quite similar to him as well.

Please list down his top 5

Great Book. I would love for Jordan Peterson to also discuss Sonia, another important Character in the Novel. She is an angelic / Saint figure in the book, simply amazing

@maximvs272

Жыл бұрын

and it's interesting the fact that she's literally a prostitute but is also the most religious character in the book that also redeems rodion

@tullythebully5539

Жыл бұрын

Sonya is the hero of the story, as far as I can tell. Her and Rhazumekin, but especially Sonya since she's responsible for helping Raskolnikov realize how to redeem himself.

@MCS1993

Жыл бұрын

@@tullythebully5539 Sonya’s love for her father, even when she knew he was flawed, she never judged him. She Honored Father, respected and truly loved her father. What an amazing character

Raskolnikov did not change after the murders; he continued to feel terrible and tried to avoid being caught by Columbo.

@nadaalwabel2498

10 ай бұрын

Yes, that was what I thought immediately, I really didn’t see the change, he was still arrogant and psychologically unstable before and after!

I recommend TV mini series from 1979 starring John Hurt.

2:43 Freudian slip... The pawnbroker and and the landlady (and the mother) represent the same figure

Dude wtf is going on with comment section eh? Sooo refreshing.... absolutely lovely

A brilliant (mis)interpretation of Crime and Punishment. One more thing, in Dostoevsky's novels the characters that present arguments against God and Christianity aren't the strongest and the most admirable characters - they are always the sickest and in an absolute despair. The best example is Ivan Karamazov - who is always misrepresented by Jordan Peterson.

@capt19kaiseroll

2 жыл бұрын

How is Ivan misrepresented by Peterson? I've read both works and concur with the conclusions and interpretations he's formulated on both characters

@gh0stoflectricity

2 жыл бұрын

Peterson is an intellectual fraud who is good at talking

@SumitKumarrr1

Жыл бұрын

Even if u want to criticize his wording, the characters that represent those that disagree with Dostoevsky are the ones that are generally some of the most rational and intelligent.

@sample6324

Жыл бұрын

@@SumitKumarrr1 Thank you for your comment. Being rational and intelligent is something that Dostoevsky criticises. Ivan is an intellectual and a philosopher and what happens to Ivan? He's sick and dangerous and suffers. Philosophers are always the bad guys in Dostoevsky's novel - all of them sick in some way. I don't have time and writing abilities to explain it all to you - English is not my first language and I still struggle while using it especially when writing. I can humbly recommend to you to read relevant parts from The Brothers - the chapter called Rebellion would probably be the most important and the aphorism 434 from Nietzsche's The Will to Power. I think Nietzsche's comment on this issue is relevant here because he too like Dostoevsky thought that philosophers are sick. If you can spot any mistakes in my reply please point them out to me.

@sample6324

Жыл бұрын

@@capt19kaiseroll Thank you for your answer. This post contains spoilers about The Brothers Karamazov. Please watch this clips first: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqCelMiuetatfKw.html&ab_channel=ClashofIdeas kzread.info/dash/bejne/fZmWrMuFqK-5Zbw.html&ab_channel=JordanBPetersonClips in this clips Peterson while talking about Ivan merges him with another Karamazov - Dimitri, Ivan's brother. Peterson takes all the good attributes of Dimitri and gives them to Ivan. And then he says that Dostoevsky created as an opponent of God this perfect human being Ivan Karamazov - an uberman. What is actually the case is this: Ivan is very intelligent, that's true but that's not necessarily a good thing for Dostoevsky. Besides that Ivan is a walking nightmare: he doesn't care for his family, he doesn't care for the woman that he purportedly loves, he's a sadist, he hates his father, he doesn't have any friends, he keeps everyone at a distance, he doesn't want to get involved in anything. His intellect doesn't do him any good either - he's tormenting himself with it, he lives inside his head and eventually loses his mind. So the actual character who's criticises God and so on is not perfect or admirable in any way. He's sick and dangerous and the consequences of his actions are disastrous. English is not my first language so if you can see any mistakes in my reply, please point them out to me.

so just what are the most important 'issues' currently,[?] and i wonder how many is too many! but! we'll never get enough videos or tweets from the good professor, i can tell ya that!

@tinfoilhatter

3 жыл бұрын

i think you tube comments sections are infinitely better than twitter, seeing how ya can make a comment or a reply as long as ya like, or until ya literally run out of time, haha, which we may just be-running-out-of as we speak! no 'maybe' about it!

I am already by page 300 in Chapter 5 and I have to say the same thing Peterson states here, there is no better psycological novel out there.

Love ya Peterson!!

I miss this Jordan Peterson. Where did he go?

I like how there’s someone outside the double doors listening in.

He killed both the old pawnbroker AND HER SISTER.

Sir, the speed at which you are suggesting interesting books to read, I think I will have to quit my full time job if want to read all these :D

Get well soon doctor peterson! And remember to make haste slowly. Also, get some sunshine if you can, it's good for the immune system.

Pre-murder Raskolnikov’s materialistic rationalism is almost undercut by his realization that “when reason fails, the devil helps;” which, from what I understand is what JP means when he says, Raskolnikov is taken by a rudimentary Nichean interpretation that God is dead.

I'm reading this right now, about 400 pages in, solely due to JBP's recommendation from 12 Rules.

@JoannaT2

3 жыл бұрын

Well what’d you think of it? I just finished it today for the same reason! Haha

The way the Canadian institutions have treated Mr. Peterson have made me not even want to go to study or live in Canada. What a great psychology professor they lost!

Any suggestions on translations? Jordan's affiliate link is to the Oliver Ready translation, so I will default to that one unless there are any strong suggestions for alternatives. Thoughts?

I'm reading this book in the original Russian as a result of this listening to this lecture.

Would anyone be kind enough and recommend me the best English version of the book? Thank you so much

@Razumihinsplitsyou

Жыл бұрын

Almost all translations that you can find recommended by people online are good; It really depends on your taste. Personally, Richard Pevear & Larissa Volokhonsky provides a wonderful translation and also provides extra information and footnotes of the meaning of the text (often it explores the work's philosophical and historical references). Nevertheless, there's no best version but the best way to read it, in my opinion, is while being accompanied by sparknotes or cliffnotes so you can really grind your teeth on the meaning of text.

Luzhin bashing! gotta love it!

@JoannaT2

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite moments in the book was when Rasmuzikhin read him to filth on their first meeting, his monologue was perfection

@JoeChrisMorris

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoannaT2 check out the BBC production with John Hurt as R.

@nathanwolfe6698

Жыл бұрын

@@JoeChrisMorris John Hurt could nearly do ANYTHING and i felt a parallel between roskolnikov and winston while reading crime, so its interesting to me that he played both.

Had an urge to comment on this work. Not so JP. It's the subject matter. I read this 2nd hand of a tradie mate went back to year 12, to get an education. So he lent me this book he was studying. Mate, I was halfway to fkn up a business AB course...it flipped me. Bang. There I was only son of a single mother. Plus Dunya. My heroine. Radi. Roddie. He's fairly universal. Just the most epic artistic experience I have ever experienced. To consider the man labouring with ink. For days. Truly inspiring. I know it will never fail me.

5:40

After reading the book Petersen makes complete sense of the character raskolnikov

In my opinion among the many view points of disteoysvesky and the theme of crime and punushnent can possibly be that one should reexamine his thoughts before committing ab act especially an evil one and one should be able to see beyond the present circumstances and emotions. You think that you have right to commit the crime for the benefit of society but thinking is the only excuse to satisfy your purpose.

Знаехте ли, че думата *нищо* не е само като значение (Нито един (предмет, явление, изказване, ситуация и др.). В стаята нямаше нищо. Нищо не разбирам. Нищо не ме интересува.), то във винителния падеж означава; "аз съм виновен, но и вие сте виновни, проклети да сте ако няма справедливост". В Престъпление и наказание има един пасаж; -- "Господ и така е длъжен да ми прости... Сам знае как съм страдала!... А ако не ми прости -- нищо!" Тук автора говори във винителен падеж -- проклети да сте, не е моя само вината в мен , но и вие имате отговорност; отговорност за общото от което зависи благоденствието на обществото. Та се чудя дали преводачите на Достоевски се съобразяват с винителния падеж и дали правилно го адаптират на английски.

I have tried Notes From the Underground three times, the third being in audiobook form, but I just can't stick with it. It's just a guy on a continuous rant. I don't get it.

@curtishammer748

3 жыл бұрын

I made it a few pages into part 2 before I dropped it. I feel like I'm going to try it again in a year or two because usually when I don't understand something that I know is profound it's because I'm not ready for it.

@leomaxcorreiadeoliveirafil6301

3 жыл бұрын

I think it`s a really sarcastic book, it`s funny in a way if you keep reading after the first 10 pages. Then, when they finally start to elaborate his relationship with the world, you understand how lowly the character had fall. And all his narrative, it`s nothing but a farce. From the books that i read from the author, i would say its my second least favorite one, on contrary of brothers karamazov who is by far my favorite book of all times. I would highly recommend humiliated and offensive as well.

@dannydevlin1893

3 жыл бұрын

@@leomaxcorreiadeoliveirafil6301 Thanks I just downloaded that recommendation. I have The Brothers Karamazov on my reading list but right now I'm on Anna Karenina. I've started to really love Russian Literature

3:17

Tolstoy is more of a sociologist? He was the master of the psychological novel, so I am not sure why he was a sociologist?

@gh0stoflectricity

2 жыл бұрын

Peterson says a lot of things that sound clever, but really have very little substance

@bayreuth79

2 жыл бұрын

@@gh0stoflectricity Yes; I am not a fan of Peterson. There are far better thinkers out there. People are attracted to Peterson not so much because of what he says but the way he says it

@SumitKumarrr1

Жыл бұрын

I mean relative to Dostoevsky he was more of a sociologist. I wouldn't consider any of Tolstoy's characters comparable to Stavrogin or Raskolnikov in terms of sheer psychological depth and insight, though this is not to say Tolstoy wasn't a master of psychology.

Did what had to be done

Hope he's doing well.

@Cinconegativoprimeiro

3 жыл бұрын

I hope so!

@OxAO

3 жыл бұрын

Mikhaila Peterson says Dr Peterson her father went to the hospital which they took him in for Covid-19. Which her family also got it. It would seem she had complications to it a rash which is rare

@tinfoilhatter

3 жыл бұрын

@@OxAO yikes! well, you tube and twitter, should be 'safe' enough that way, eh?

▶️ 5:30 … metareal ≠ more real than real metareal metareal = transformed, curated info …In the same way that: metadata ≠ more real than data metadata metadata = underlying data transformed Saying that metareal is more real than real is like saying that some sort of measure or description of *average* human behavior is more real than real. (Anytime we look at an average of something - there’s *real* information that is missing in that average. For example, averages hide information that’s on the edges - the outliers.) No doubt averages and things like metadata provide useful information - but they are not more real than real. Perhaps someone can precisely point out how my reasoning is flawed. I welcome that.

it's a complicated novel... both a thriller and a self-help book...

What do you think is the real punishment for Raskolnikov? Apart from prison time

@ethanmontoya8860

9 ай бұрын

I believed it to be the mental state that he was in after he killed the two individuals

Coincido con el anciano

A test of personal greatness among the mire of despair and hardship. Raskolnikov also murdered the pawn brokers niece with the axe. He was a desperate rational man and wanted to see if he was one of the potentially great men of history such as some of the famous conquerers. If you remember the discussion with the magistrate during his home visit he had discussed an article that Rask' had written that said that for men that try this attempt and do not succeed by getting caught and condemned it served them right. In this publication he had a thesis that justified murder by great men as witnessed in history. To do this he wanted to test himself to this end by taking life as he saw that former great men of the world had and get away with it, maybe if he was one of them he would get away with it. That is not be judged guilty of a crime for the greater good and therefore be one set apart by historys calling. This murderous act haunted him and further crippled him with stress,fear and guilt. Only a sociopath or psycho path of sorts could pull off such an event without emotional consequence. He was not a man without empathy as he tried to help the public servant when he was run over by the horses. He also gave all his money to the mans family. There was a parallel between what he saw as the alcoholic public servants guilt over his daughter prostituting herself for the family and his own sisters plan to marry into a loveless, controlling arrangement to position herself to pay for the mother and Rask' financial living needs. The book is brilliant, the personalities complex and the issues explored intriguing. We are all better for having read this wonderful literary work.

I understand covid has struck the Peterson household. Get well soon, Doctor.

Crime & Punishment is basically the story of a guy who thought he was ‘bout that life but found out he wasn’t

Wasn't the pawnbrokers "slave" her half-sister rather than her niece?

The deepest part is ( he convinced himself) he doesn't just think . Nd it didn't just happened. He did it because of some triggers . I consider it a defensive mechanism for the mind so that he doesn't lose his mind but it also shows that this kinda person is arrogant qz they dont admit that they r wrong . They only see the world from their point of view nd don't give a shit about the logical interpretation of things . If ppl can just convince themselves about stuff why dont we use this for our advantage nd convince ourselves about productive way of seeing the world . Thats what I'm trying to do rn

@neilreynolds3858

Жыл бұрын

Convincing people to do evil is easier.

what this guy has is not a wisdom. It's a meta-wisdom.

The steelman comment is funny because I take Razumikhin to be a stand-in for many of Dostoevsky's views, and he's easily the most likeable, courageous, and best character in the novel. I think if he were arguing against dialectical materalism, rather than utopian socialism, which marxism denies, it would have made for some very interesting challenges which were easily overcome by the inferior philosophy. Still one of my favorite novels even if I don't agree with some of it. Also, being against the Russian Revolution is bizarre, so does that make him pro-Romanov, pro-Feudalism?

@SovietWinnieThePoo

8 ай бұрын

I think you are thinking too black and white here. I don’t think he is against any form of government per se, rather he is tired of the nihilism coming from such ideologies and wants to restore the individual man. The way to do that through Dostoyevsky’s mind (and mine as well) is through God. That is why the ending where Raskonikov finally re-admits himself back into humanity he does so by asking Sonya for a copy of the New Testament without her influence, and finally repents his sins.

@sebastianviruzab7986

4 ай бұрын

​@SovietWinnieThePoo "utopian socialism" "dialectical materialism" ? Why do you read shit books bro. All these socialism labels aren't real, all.of them are scum. Wisdom is found in variety of experience, not dogshit French philosophy

Pov you are here from @amikozak

"What he (author) wanted to do was set up a character who had every reason to commit murder...every REASONABLE reason". If indeed JBP is right in that claim, I would say the author failed in that attempt. Perhaps this this was one of the few times JBP misspoke.

@tylerpeniels6686

2 жыл бұрын

He said 'what he wanted to do' implying that the author may not actually have done it even though it was his intent.

@hcp0scratch

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerpeniels6686 True, but JBP is placing this as an all-time, must read classic. And the murder is a primary conflict in this novel. If the author failed to set up a TRUE moral dilemma, which he did not, it would be difficult to place this novel as an exemplary must-read.

@EPlTHANY

2 жыл бұрын

What???????? Why would this mean that he failed lmao

@hcp0scratch

2 жыл бұрын

@@EPlTHANY "I would say the author failed in that attempt"...MY opinion...he did not "set up a character who had every reason to commit murder...every REASONABLE reason", as per JBPs claim. My view was that the evil was VASTLY insufficient in establishing a true moral dilemma. The hold hag was a bad person, but I as a reader could not relate to considering murder. Therefore I had a difficult time relating to the protagonist, troubled or not. Chill out l fella ;)

@EPlTHANY

2 жыл бұрын

@@hcp0scratch So you haven't read the book, and now you're having a hard time relating to the protagonist, and you think that's the authors fault? God damn you're dumb lmao

It is amazing how everything that was happening in Russia in the 1800’s are things we are still facing today.

that's why we don't murder rape and pillage. that's why Greeks practiced morality...and early protochristians as well as russiNs practiced it

Dr Peterson is trying to potray his thoughts through a novel. So is he lying ?

how dare he speak on him

Raskolnikov is fictional and he's placed in a morality tale. Reality is far more nuanced. The reason why you use this book as an example of Atheists and their alleged nihilism is because you're making one enormous Strawman fallacy. You assume Atheists are morally nihilistic. You select this book as an example of such to justify your beliefs. Just how you select lobsters to justify traditional human hierarchies. Both are assumptions you came to because of your position instead of coming to these positions through facts and logic. You have not the sweetest goddamn clue about how to go about assessing evidence to come onto a conclusion. You start with a conclusion and then find facts to fit your narrative; just like every other charlatan in history. You're no more a doctor than Pat Robertson is a Christian.

@maticmlaker434

3 жыл бұрын

What would you do in Raskolnikovs situation?

@MrTajazikria

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is incredible! Intellectual giant!

@MeanBeanKerosene

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTajazikria Only if you're 2 foot 3.

@sweetbabytrae

2 жыл бұрын

Raskalnikov wasn't a moral nihilist, he believed he could create a net-good in the world by offing the pawnbroker.

@MeanBeanKerosene

2 жыл бұрын

@@maticmlaker434 Not kill.

Maaaan Peterson is even worse at teaching than he is at philosophy apparently. You can get better analysis and summary from a random ten minute video on KZread

ive always hated 19th century literature art and history of both europe and america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope all literature and art from the 19th century are defunded!!!!!!!!! i turly believe in communism and fasicsm.

I just finished the book. Overrated. Highly overrated.

@truestory2990

5 ай бұрын

lol

@Almneur

Ай бұрын

You had to read to the end to figure out it was overrated?? LOL. Or maybe, you are lying that you read it. But if you did, then, damn, you *****.

How can this guy recommend this piece of ....? It's a horrible, never-ending book. Which should come with a PG label, due to all its evil darkness, complete sadness, and general psycho babble. Burn it!

@neilreynolds3858

Жыл бұрын

Because we're all Raskolnikov.

@atadbitahistory9660

6 ай бұрын

Have we got a nazi in the building? Burning books? Nah man, can't be doing that, even if you don't like it.

Noone can exaggerate as JP when it comes to cinnect dots from psychology to Raskolnikov

Spoiler alert bro

Harry Potter is right there. . you do know that they are both FICTION???