Why are we always picking on pronouns, while the other parts of speech are running riot? I'm looking at you, prepositions - we know where you are. And as for you adjectives, your behaviour is indescribable. And don't even get me started on nouns - I have some choice names for them! And I dread think what the verbs are doing. Frankly, all parts of speech should be arrested and given long sentences.

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

Be a good model of your criticism and just stop using language entirely.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

@@sohu86x My criticism or my joke containing several puns, all of which appear to have gone over your head?

@happyfatherof5164

Ай бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr 🤣

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr You have given up the right to talk. Shut up.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

@@sohu86x Make me

The greatest trick the rhinoceroses ever pulled was convincing the World they didn't exist🦏🦏🦏

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

And like that... they're gone 🔥

@bottlecap632

Ай бұрын

Wait, what? I always thought they existed! This means...Jesus is coming, and he is coming fast

It's not even a trans issue, it's just hard to sometimes gender people correctly on phone. Many people have voices or names that don't match the pronouns they use or are hard to identify. That said, probably a majority of trans people pass anyway. Like, a trans guy who has access to testosterone pretty much always has a normal male voice. And for others you can make wonders by voice training. It's great the AA are standing for us, but it's just weird that this is a "trans issue" at all.

It might be a small percentage of people who are trans, which is still non zero but also everyone has pronouns so including them really shouldn't be an issue.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

Some people overlook that even if it was as low as 0.1%*, that'd still be 8 _million_ people. * and it's actually somewhere between 1 and 5 percent

@ninjakiwigames5418

Ай бұрын

@@Beacon80 Yup! Exactly!

@JackMishandling

Ай бұрын

It's not just about pronouns for example should a father who has a trans daughter not call him his daughter because daughter isn't a pronoun. Would you like to be forced assuming you're an atheist to identify me as the product of our Creator God. No I'm sure you wouldn't like to be compelled in speech to say that if you don't believe it especially if you believe saying that harms society harms the person that you're saying it to. I don't like to be compelled to say anything in speech that I don't believe is true and even if I did I don't want to be compelled to say it.

@albertgeddis7308

Ай бұрын

@@JackMishandling ok, Susan

@ninjakiwigames5418

Ай бұрын

​@@JackMishandling The first part confuses me a lot, since I never said you can't call someone by something other than a pronoun. It's about IF you use a pronoun to refer to someone (which is VERY common) you use the pronoun/s the person wants you to use. Another thing. Don't conflate supporting someone's belief with showing someone basic respect. If you see a dog and say "Oh, such a good boy" and the owner corrects you "Oh, she's actually a girl" you will just correct yourself since it costs you nothing to do so. Now obviously dogs don't care what sex you think they are, but humans, we are a bit more complex. Stating pronouns can be a very good way of knowing how to correctly refer to someone even regardless of whether they are trans or not. Cis people don't always look their gender. And being respectful towards trans folk just brings along not assuming that a tomboy girl is a boy (this is just an example, and YES this did happen, just ask people who don't look stereotypically like their gender).

The pronounes have been there forever. More than 5 or 6 years, ive been watching atheist experience a loooong time and its just been there. Succumbing to demands lmao. "Whats your preferred pronouns" dang what a crazy thing for this caller to comment on.

@QueeferSutherland1

Ай бұрын

I've been watching axp from the start they haven't always been there at all.

@RahzZalinto

Ай бұрын

Been watching over 10 years, though I stopped watching around this time cuz they started mixing politics with atheisim.

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

​@@RahzZalintoreally because one of the shows mission statements is separation of church and state. Which is a political stance. Or is it particular politics you disagree with?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@RahzZalinto u stupid.... 😕😕🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤨

@Everfalling

Ай бұрын

@@RahzZalinto "cuz they started mixing politics with atheisim" lol are you kidding? it's always been political. It's political nature is unavoidable considering the aspects of life that religion seeps into and affects.

It's interesting to see Jim come out guns drawn.

@jTech50

Ай бұрын

yeah because he knew what the caller wanted to talk about. that's why they have call screeners

@Oddysey182

Ай бұрын

The caller never mentioned trans people. They use pronouns with all the other ppl too.

@Oddysey182

Ай бұрын

@@slyjokerg you are asserting trans into the topic.

@Oddysey182

Ай бұрын

@@slyjokerg 'intellectually dishonest' is your piss weak excuse for asserting trans into the topic.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@Oddysey182 This is why we curse people like you out. 😒🤦‍♂ Because we know you're not being legitimate. You're just trolling by being intellectually factious and trying to use whatboutisms to score browney point for Anti-Trans rhetoric. And what's worse is that you think the people whom you are saying this to are stupid or have low IQ's. When these people have IQ's way above the 120 range.

mental health is just as important as physical health... so too is the treatment of each condition. how do we, for example treat those with visual or aural hallucinations?

Stronger together 💪

I see nothing wrong with respecting people's identities. If they make it easier for me by advertising their preferred pronouns then so much the better.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

You know why they have a problem with it. It's the same reason why they had a problem with Dylan Mulvaney sponsoring Bud Light. They *HATE TRANSGENDERS!* You should see the Cis, Straight White Male rage whenever they see a Bud Light can 🥫 , it's truly something of *National Geographic.*

@nealjroberts4050

Ай бұрын

​@@danleejones1987 As a cis straight white man myself I find their rage defective and counterproductive

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@nealjroberts4050 You're a *true ally.* 🙌🙌 Because there are many of them unfortunately claim that "they have no issues with trans or gays" but the minute they see any representation of them? And I mean... ANY representation? They loose their shits! As you can see by the comment section, the *pronoun aspect* was the trigger, unfortunately.

@sideboob6851

Ай бұрын

​@@danleejones1987 I have a problem with forcing things onto others, Dan. Just like I have a problem with theists trying to force their beliefs on to everyone. I'm not willing to be a hypocrite.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@sideboob6851 How in any way they were forcing ANYTHING? The caller WILLINGLY came into the convo to *virtue signal.* Gets shut down due to the suspected trolling methods of intolerance. And then you have the nerve to say they are FORCING? I don't think *you know the definition of forcing,* if they were forcing you? You would have no choice but to use it. They even give the caller the option to NOT use pronouns. That's not forcing.

Using desired pronouns is being respectful to another person. It is that simple. It really isn't any different than calling someone by a preferred name or nickname. I am 70 and I can manage it. And believe me the world has changed since I was born. I just prefer to change with it.

@hotrodd29

Ай бұрын

The world hasn’t changed. This has happened before because History is circular. This has happened before to every empire just before societal collapse. The pay are usually replaced by strong patriarchal societies. Every empire has a similar pattern of aggressive expansion, enlightenment followed by self loathing and hating. It happened to the Persians who was unseated by rough tough Greeks, the Greeks embraced gender fluidity shortly after Greek stoicism was embraced. Similar thing happened to the Romans. We are living through the fall of the west. We will be replaced by a strong patriarchal society.

@Vaishino

Ай бұрын

@@hotrodd29 citation: crack pipe

@tek2095

Ай бұрын

​@@hotrodd29 Government corruption and trying to control more territory than they could effectively govern are what has been found to be a common thread in societal collapses, not the acceptance of people who are different. Reactionaries, as usual, go hysterical and try to censor anytime their status quo is shaken up a little (See the reactions to Evolution, Heliocentrism, etc.).

@aaronfarris6539

Ай бұрын

Preferred pronouns are a religious ritual that is forced upon everyone else. It is equivalent to a christian demanding you say a prayer over your lunch at work. You are free to believe what you want but you don't get to force those beliefs on me. One of the arguments I've heard over and over on this channel is that they care about truth and reality. Seems that has fallen to the way side.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

​@@aaronfarris6539Preferred pronouns are neither religious or a ritual.

When you say that it's one percent of the population of the world, that's 80 million people. That's the entire population of the state of California twice. And I love how you said it's not 0% and then bringing up the example of people i with disabilities. I have cerebral palsy myself so that hit me. The way I like to put it too if you have an issue with handicap spots, ramps or accessibility of any kind, just consider you're not gonna be young and able forever. Just think of accessibility as preempted elder care for all. Lol

I think certain people don't understand what a religion is.

The power of pronouns compells you....

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

.... to not be an asshole

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

.... to not be an 4ssh0le

@robmanning6006

Ай бұрын

@@ragg232 No, quite the opposite in fact

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

@@robmanning6006 Well, that's your prerogative

@dcxxxx

Ай бұрын

@@ragg232 Cry a storm. You're still NOT the opposite sex/gender.

When I first noticed the pronouns on the screen, I was surprised, yet it made perfect sense within few seconds. And I'm from Ukraine, a rather conservative country that started recognizing LGBT not many years ago! Anyhow, people differ -- they have different voices, you might fail at guessing the sex\gender of a person you're talking to (esp. on the phone) So, it's just super comfy. Why wouldn't a USA citizen get it right away...

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

Uh-huh, and you're the reason why Putin is turning Ukraine into a colander right now. I don't know how you might fail to recognize a male or female - this has been obvious since the dawn of time.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 and..... *HERE IS THE TRANSPHOBIA RIGHT HERE!*

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 laughing at airsoft or cosplay is not a fear! I'm just not willing to pretend along :)

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 I never said fear, I said acceptance. Tranphobia is not fear of Trans people, is fear of not because of acknowledging Trans people will conflict with their world view, and most of all their own prejudice. Look the word Transphobia, you're not afraid of Trans folks, *you are afraid of Transgenderism.* 🫵

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 What exactly is "acceptance?" Re-arranging my thoughts and lying to myself in order to accommodate someone's fetish or a taste in fashion? Umm, that's a pretty tall order, so NO THANKS.

To the people who are upset that this episode has gone 'off-topic', feel free to watch any of the other 6,634 videos on this channel

@dorsdonstowe9403

Ай бұрын

The fact remains that atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because no atheist can present a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. This channel should be shut down for insinuating the facts above are false.

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

​@@dorsdonstowe9403 Atheism has an answer. That answer is "I'm not convinced that a god or gods exist." It's like complaining that a swiss army knife doesn't have a remote control when it was never advertised that it did.

Trans/Nonbinary Pride! Heck Ya!!!! We appreciate allies like this!

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

You can have em 🤡

@N_IRL

Ай бұрын

🏳️‍⚧️💛🤍💜🖤

@C3l3st14l_M4rk

Ай бұрын

❤

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk Gladly. Thank you very much!

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

I wonder why so many atheists are opposed to trans rights. It's backed up by science, just not "hard science". Gender is an oppressive social construct, just like organized religion.

If you don't like pronouns... Learning proper (chosen) names and using them is a good alternative

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

21 күн бұрын

I will use the government name chosen upon birth into this world.

@davidszeremi1786

21 күн бұрын

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk good for you. My friends often call me Jason or Dave. Neither are on my birth certificate.

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

21 күн бұрын

@@davidszeremi1786 glad to hear it

@dwp6471

21 күн бұрын

​@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk So you demand everyone show you their birth certificate or ID? Good luck with that.

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

21 күн бұрын

@@dwp6471 the Chinese government is slowly but surely manufacturing my perfect solution

The amount of transphobia I am seeing here is....just fucking baffling. As a community I am astounded we aren't better than this. I am so disappointed.

@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence

Ай бұрын

Well, I for one, know that gender ideology is a total nonsense that is pursued by a confused society that thinks it has to cater for everyone's needs and feelings regardless of what is real and truthful. But that doesn't make me phobic. I'm not against trans person, just the ideology and the nonsense around it. I will treat you as any other person, but I will not change my reality to suit anyone. So be careful who you label transphobic.

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

Calling it transphobia is the most baffling thing

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

@@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence Gender is not nonsense, it's real thing studied by many scientists who publish actual studies about it. You should rename your account because you're babbling nonsense.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

​@@ScienceFollowsTheEvidenceIf you're not going to follow the evidence, then you need to change your handle.

@aitorgonzalez4657

Ай бұрын

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jkIf you’re showing an aversion to transgender individuals, then you’re transphobic.

Great reactions! If one of us is disrespected, we all are!

I am not included... you want to say INCLUSION... where am I included... no where that's where. Pronouns are an extra step, Perhaps small, even maybe negligible efforts like your He/Him... Now ... The whole G/L community I have no qualm with, and have at it, you like who and what you like. When you get past just the G/L and get it the other parts of the Alphabet Community ... I have been met with Hostility Rage Hatred and bigotry. same shit I have become accustomed with the religious. So sure have your "Pronouns" but the people your trying to include would not do the same for me or any one else for that matter.

My take on it is if you give your name, that is the personal part. If I have to try and remember a "personal" pronoun as well, then I will just always refer to you by your name. If we are going to make something that was supposed to simplify communication into something more complicated, why not also add a personal code. Something like "my name is Todd, and my code is 367245. If you don't get the code right I will be personally offended.

@ToHoldNothing

Ай бұрын

Language is not innately gendered, nor are the gender norms as cut and dry as you seem to think. Is Ashley just a name for girls? You thinking it's hard tells me you're likely ignorant of how privileged you are in society that people just refer to you with pronouns that are "normal" relative to your group Complexity by your credulous standard does not mean it's done arbitrarily. Seems like you're stuck in the 1960s at the earliest and just refuse to move forward beyond as it's convenient for stuff that you take for granted

@Leith_Crowther

Ай бұрын

The difference between a pronoun and your code is that most people are going to use a pronoun and, in fact, want to do so. If people actually wanted to use some personal code then that would be a good idea, too, but they don’t. If you forget someone’s pronouns you can just ask again, or if you get it wrong without being mean you’ll probably just be reminded. Don’t freak out just because you’re not perfect. It’s fine. People forget names, faces, titles, and pronouns every day.

@GreatOutdoors1

Ай бұрын

@@Leith_Crowther Why do people historically use pronouns? To simplify communication. That is why most people don't mind using them.

@N_IRL

Ай бұрын

​@@GreatOutdoors1I just call everyone "they" until they correct me otherwise, then I try to remember what they told me to call them and sometimes I forget and just go back to "they" but no one cares because it's a gender neutral pronoun. I don't see what's un-simple about that

@Leith_Crowther

Ай бұрын

@@GreatOutdoors1Sure. I think it’s simpler to use someone’s pronouns than to say their name every single time. If you don’t, that’s fine, I guess getting rid of third person pronouns in your vocabulary is your prerogative. I’m just saying you don’t have to stress the consequences of being wrong as much as you think. If you still wanna refrain even with an accurate understanding of that, whatever, not my business.

I mean, 100% of the population has pronouns.

Ай бұрын

Based on the reality of which you are. To call a dog a cat is just delusional.

@cheapshot2842

Ай бұрын

Well, first, how did you determine reality is real? Second, if we all decide to start calling cats dogs and dogs cats what exactly would be the issue? And last, changing gender from what your assigned is different than changing species. It's a false analogy.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

"To call a dog a cat is just delusional." False equivalence fallacy

@knkn5049

Ай бұрын

​@@SundaeExpressit is valid analogy, it is example of useing words incorrectly

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

@@knkn5049 "it is valid analogy, it is example of useing words incorrectly" * It * an example * using * incorrectly. Oh the irony 😂

Why wouldn’t u just ask them their pronouns and use them instead of listing them on screen?

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

What's the problem with having them on the screen? Are you worried there isn't enough space?

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

Why not both?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

They DO ask them their pronouns - specifically, the call screeners go through this process such that the main call doesn't get sidetracked explaining the what and why, every single call. The screeners then put up this info for the hosts and the rest of us.

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

Why does it matter to you that they list them?

@CosmicEpiphany

Ай бұрын

Because it's a call in show therefore they are only doing it to placate or pander to the 5% that care. Its kind of like if you put someone's sexual preferences on screen. Not to mention the whole trans/pronouns thing nearly killed the ACA which produces AXP.

This comment section is ridiculous. It boils down to "you can't force me to do something that respects another person's completely harmless wish because it violates my sense of what is right and wrong" from one side, and the other side is simply "i choose to respect other people." The former is probably a lot of white racists and have no problem disrespecting people for the color of their skin because again, it aligns with their racist sense of what's right and wrong.

Anti-trans rhetoric about pronouns has always baffled me. The same people who whine about pronouns never seemed to have had issues with calling a recently married woman by a new last name, or using "Mrs" instead of "Ms". They also don't seem to mind nicknames, like "Mike" for "Michael," "Jim" for "James," or even "Bob" for "Robert," but tell the same person that someone who was once Mr. Bob Smith now wants to be addressed as Ms. Jane Smith, and they lose their minds. It's just basic social decency to respect people's wants and desires regarding how they chose to express and be themselves. Grow up, just do your best. It's also worth noting that they tend to rant and rave about biology, but when you point out the social nature of gender, they won't hear of it. Yet they complain about almost exclusively social expressions: names, pronouns, clothing, these are social expressions of gender, not biology. They gatekeep their gender concepts in the first place--"you can't wear that, that's girl clothes!", or "that's not how women are supposed to dress, you look like a man"--but when someone tries to let them keep those gender identities and move to a new one, they try to block that, too--"you're not a _real_ [woman/man]!" or "you can't change your biology!" They want it both ways, to force people to conform to social gender roles based on their biology while also denying that it's social.

@MrPossum077

Ай бұрын

No one denies that there is a social element and for every single person it is different. But normal people aren't asking for special treatment. What is identifying with pronouns? Communication is supposed to be simple, but now we are allowed to use whatever words we want because it's how we feel? That lunacy. I have no connection to the words he/him, they are just descriptive words if a third party is describing me. It's all just a clown show to distract people from real issues. Every person using special pronouns would have been an emo kid in the 90's. It's just a call for help for people struggling, socially isolated or looking for attention.

@ToHoldNothing

Ай бұрын

@@MrPossum077 All words are descriptive, they don't have independent reality apart from society. Acting as if the gender essentialist angle isn't going to be called out in the 21st century is either willfully ignorant or proudly prejudiced Maybe ease up on projecting your insecurities onto others and recognize your own fallibility instead of acting as if you're superior

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

Hate to break it to you but Mr. (And the like) Is a title not a pronoun.

@ToHoldNothing

Ай бұрын

Gender essentialism kind of creates that circular logic, and yet they don't care because it becomes more about seeming right than actually seeking accurate understanding of reality and creating prosocial dynamics. So much of this is just a variation on the anti gay rhetoric, right down to the claims of recruitment and mental illness, pathologizing via social norms that reduce us to mere animals that must reproduce and fit into anthropocentric models of a family

@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence

Ай бұрын

What someone WANTS to be addressed as doesn't mean they actually are that. It's not about social decency. It's about not lying. It's false to call a man a she just because it's what that person wants. I for one refuse to change reality to satisfy the needs of sexually confused people. Their feelings do not come before reality and truth. Just like religion. Something AXP has been preaching vociferously to people for years. And now their credibility takes a hit when they now expect people to NOT go with reality and truth, but be guided by the feelings and wants of others instead. It's ridiculous.

Because only gods are allowed to use pronouns, of course.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

and that makes Trans people... "Gods"... 👹👹😈😈

@JackMishandling

Ай бұрын

gods? Is that what you atheist humanist call Rachel Levine

Just to respond to the point of the callers picking the topic - I believe that's a very disingenuous reason to give. Yes the callers can ask whatever they want but the callers are screened and selected or banned before hand and then the questions are fed into the caller system. They don't have to be entertained. If I was running a call in show about cooking and it was called the COOKING EXPERIENCE but I kept getting calls about auto mechanics I would have my screeners say I'm sorry that's not what this show is about. You need to call the "Mechanics Experience". Even if I felt very strongly about mechanics and wanted to teach people about it I would either steer them to another channel OR make a whole new channel of my own to talk just about mechanics. That way the people who are struggling to learn how to cook and grappling with a ton mental adjustment over cooking don't also need to rewire their brain to understand mechanics at the same time. It's a lot to take in all at once. Especially when people keep saying the skills you use to learn how to cook also apply to mechanics but when you try you keep blowing a head gasket and the wheels fall off. I'm using the same critical cooking techniques YOU taught me to cook but when I apply them to mechanics I get a totally different result. Now maybe if I keep trying and trying I'll understand it but right now I'm really frustrated by it and I just keep screaming in my head I didn't come here to work on cars I came to learn how to COOK. Everyone in this cooking space keeps saying cooking is just about cooking and nothing else but they won't stop talking about mufflers and oils changes. Damn I really dragged out the metaphor. 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢

@quecee

Ай бұрын

How many theist callers do you think they get? If the theists here weren’t such cowards, they may be able to choose, but sometimes, they take what they can get. When they let known trolls on, like Jon, they didn’t have a choice. If they cut off a theist caller early, they had more theist callers.

@9ja9ite

Ай бұрын

@@quecee I don't have that info but I don't think it would change my position. I would just say that if the supply of theist callers is that low then perhaps they should lower the amount of shows or change the format etc. But honestly I think that line of discussion would be pedantic and unproductive.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

Well, if you're worried about going off-topic, feel free to watch any of the other 6,634 videos on this channel.

@landsgevaer

Ай бұрын

When you have a show, you decide. They are clearly open to tangentially related topics. And it is not like religion is totally unrelated (due to e.g. religious views on trans rights). So what!?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@landsgevaer yep, you hit the 🙌there!

Why would the hosts need to know my pronouns when taking my call? Are they going to refer to me in the third person while talking to me?

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

The two hosts may talk about the caller in the 3rd person while talking to eachother. They literally do that in the video

@candykit5382

Ай бұрын

Some people are trans, some women have a masculine voice, some men have a feminine voice. If they talk about you and pronounes are mentioned like talking about the caller they use that pronoun. This isn't hard.

@zer0s0und

Ай бұрын

Of course not. They might as well not ask your name since it is not essential for the conversation. Every contact gives one the opportunity of disclosing some trends about oneself, if one wishes to. It is a social thing humans do.

@morgangrosdidier1654

Ай бұрын

That’s also why callers have the option to not give pronouns 🤷🏼‍♀️ the hosts don’t care if you choose not to give pronouns as long as you are respectful of the fact that people can chose what they are referred to as

@fifofum5168

Ай бұрын

They don't ask what species callers identify as, for some reason.

This comment section is wild. 1. Nobody is forcing pronouns to anybody, there were callers withou pronouns and everything was fine. It's just an offer, effort to be nice for people who want to be specified by pronouns. 2. If you feel offended, just don't watch this channels, nobody is forcing you, go to watch some right wing propaganda or so.

@ButterknifeofMoses4

Ай бұрын

The problem is that young kids watch this channel and are manipulated by it into believing falsehoods. Imagine if I decided I identified as a bear, and said “creatures are just a social construct. You’re conflating it with biological species.” Now what if I got a huge audience and convinced a large number of people that it was normal and unconcerning to do this.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

@@ButterknifeofMoses4 My kids can use brain, there were not brainwashed and indoctrinated with bronze age supernatural fairy tale nonsense. Like yourself.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

Is there some rule here that you have to announce what you are doing when you get triggered by the pronouns and you rage-unsubscribe? Are these guys expecting the ACA to personally reach out to them and promise to stop caring about trans people just so that they don't have to hear the half a second per call where the pronouns, if given, are called out?

@ButterknifeofMoses4

Ай бұрын

@@Seticzechinstead they are brainwashed by mainstream media selling lies to accommodate people who need real help.

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

​​@@ButterknifeofMoses4little kids don't watch this show And teaching children to be polite is better than indoctrinated into death cults. PS, none of your co-workers will talk to you, which speaks volumes about your state of mind.

They do not matter. You can choose whatever pronoms and i can ignore them.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

What's a pronom?

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

And I think we can you a jerk

@hexa1905

Ай бұрын

​@@SundaeExpress The french version of pronoun, and it still doesn't get any more usefull.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

@@hexa1905 *useful

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@hexa1905 Imagine being "french" and being TRANSPHOBIC! XD France, the country that embraced the element of Queerdom first in Modern Day era!

If a cashier at a grocery store is bagging groceries for an androgynous person, that androgynous person ought to know 1) the grocer shouldn’t be expected to know their gender and 2; it’s a grocer, not a potential sex partner. In a situation like that: gender is only important to narcissists. However: I can see how misgendering is rude if it’s done on purpose; when the gender is obvious or they’re not a stranger. Also (and this is directed at the caller) it has nothing to do with atheism. Diversity, Equity and inclusion have only become big because the ruling class want us to fight about everything except class. When we’re bickering about genders: the ruling class is fleecing us. If this is an issue you’re obsessed with about: you’ve been taken for a ride.

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

There's a very rude and aggressive troon who streams live while harassing restaurant workers for "misgendering" him. He calls himself "Lily" but the internet knows him as "Buffalo Grill" hahaahahah! He even has a small dog!

@Snuggles_the_Unholy

Ай бұрын

If it's somebody you come into contact with frequently, then knowing how they want to be addresses is simple common courtesy. It's better than saying, "Hey, a**hole. How you doing?" Nobody is keeping their pronouns a secret to trap you with. Would asking kill you? No, and there is no war to keep you pinned down and helpless. Also there is nothing wrong with wearing a tinfoil hat everywhere.

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

That's why, as a nonbinary trans femboy, I don't expect anyone to use a specific set of pronouns for me. It's actually kinda interesting and informative to see which set they choose. I often wear stereotypically female dress, but also don't shave my face, so I'm intentionally trying to be ambiguous. It's not super common for me to hear other people talking about me in the 3rd person (eg. when talking to someone else, while I'm also part of the conversation), so in most cases it doesn't matter.

@Paolo8772

Ай бұрын

@@ChristianCatboy Yup. I always knew that this came from either on high or extreme nut jobs, and that most trans people don't loose sleep about pronouns. I thank you for understanding.

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

@@ChristianCatboy wow, you really have nothing else going on your life, do you?? Holy shit! Why don’t you try to accomplish something???

Regardless of the topic, I find myself wanting to disagree with Jim. He is the worst host, just has a terrible way of speaking to people. Preaches tolerance but is rude to people of differing opinion.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

These people who call are disingeniune, this is not their first rodeo. They've called before with multiple names or accounts or IPS. Also, the discussion is not about tolerance, it's about demonizing a demographic. It's like... "why you have respect Black People for... I mean they're here right? Why do they need to be validated?" ^^^^ you see how messed up that sounds? Imagine that for Trans folks.

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

How is he rude? I've always thought Jim is not harsh at all.

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 A lot of these people are probably racists and believe in shit like "black people are less evolved than white people". Fucking racists who are close minded and think they are 100% correct.

Gender is a social construct comes from the study by John Money and David Reimer. The protocols of the study are viewed by a lot of people as unethical. This study influenced writers like Judith Butler, David Reimer commited suicide and was a very troubled man. He done an interview with Ophrah Winfrey, it is worth watching.

@tek2095

Ай бұрын

Argumentum Ad Hominem

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

Oprah Winfrey who gave a platform to the KKK on several occasions and promoted false satanic panic allegations in the 80s and 90s?

@Everfalling

Ай бұрын

"Gender is a social construct comes from the study..." gender as a social construct comes from every day observations and it's unlikely that any one person came up with the idea. Gender is performative. You know the movie Wall-E? Do you consider Wall-E to be a male or female? Do you consider Eve to be a male or female? Why? Literally neither are either because they have no reproductive organs but still we tend to assign gender to them and things like them because of how they look and behave. But the ways we associate gender to how things look and behave are largely arbitrary and change over time. Nothing that you might assign to a man can't also be representative of a woman and vice versa. And by and large we accept these variations just fine but for some reason as soon as someone wants to go by some other pronoun people lose their goddamn minds.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

Funny how the Abrahamic "God" is a "he" without ANY of the physical attributes of the male sex.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

​@@Everfalling NICE example! I never thought of that! Wall-E was clearly meant to be "male" but not once is there ANYTHING given that provides a physical/sex basis for that, only is based upon a rough distance, manual labour, reaction to the other character, etc. Brilliant example! 👍😁

The purpose of pronouns are a simple placeholder to easily convey language/information that you don't even need to think about and in the extreme majority of the time it's just implicitly assumed because that's how social interteactuon works. Not some greeting that you use to introduce yourself as your idenity in order to start a conversation. Nobody really cares about such a trivial aspect, be more interesting than needing to exchange pronouns like it's a greeting or fraternity handshake. Also, imagine how dumb it would be if we started using pronouns for everyday objects in discussion like "we" do now like this.... Lots of convoluted and unnecessary language exchange, and for what?.... Furthermore, this is an atheist Podcast.... What in the hell does this pronoun infatuation have to do with anything here?

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

"Also, imagine how dumb it would be if we started using pronouns for everyday objects in discussion." But we _do_ use pronouns for everyday objects. "My car broke down." "Oh? What's wrong with _it?"_

@scalp340

Ай бұрын

@@Beacon80 we refer to people as "it" now, do we? Regardless, that's my point. A simple place holder that we implicitly know to use. We don't make it some silly introduction for everyone to share their identity as if we can't figure out if you're a car or a man.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

@@scalp340 So you meant _gendered_ pronouns? If so, you should have specified. But in addition to people occasionally assigning genders to everyday objects (especially machines), there are entire languages, like French and Spanish, that don't have non-gendered pronouns at all. So I don't really get what your point is.

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

One’s sex can no longer be implicitly assumed, since people take hormones and undergo surgeries to express all the second characteristics of the opposite sex. What are you going to do if you suspect someone is transgender, strip search them? In terms of practicality we might as well base pronouns on gender rather than sex and just take their word for it

So the net amount of silliness is conserved.

Wow, some people really hate... pronouns. Lighten up, folks! It's not doing you any harm at all. And more to the point, trans people aren't a problem in your life. You should ask why people want you to think that they are.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

They hate Trans people, that's why they are bitching in the comment section like the caller was. They are also *Homophobic too,* if you scratch a TERF you will also find the same view towards Homosexuality. They feel Homosexuals just like Transgenders are "confused" and need of "fixing". They only use Gays to go against Trans folks, and then once that is completed? They will go on to attack the Gays next. Rinse wash, repeat.

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

Hahahahaahahaa!! What about Buffalo Grill??? Have you seen how he abuses restaurant staff when they "misgender" him??? He's trying to force people to play along with him and to do that you have to lie to yourself and re-formulate your language. Lying to yourself is harmful.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 are you done fapping to Trans girls? 💦💦🍆🍆

@amtlpaul

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 Whatabout!

@pedroe.escobedo81

Ай бұрын

Changing the definition of pronouns because it fits with your personal preference promotes a lie so... yeah, I'd say people believing in lies is harmful.

Yea stick to being logical please.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

stick to knowing what "logical" means, please. 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

Being respectful to people who just want to live their lives and aren't hurting anyone doing so, is perfectly logical.

Ай бұрын

​@@ragg232Lying about reality or being delusional is not "logic".

@ragg232

Ай бұрын

Good thing I'm not doing that then.

How dare those who insist on pandering to a tiny minority's mental health , mess with , fuck with the mental health of the majority ? by attempting to change the basic core language of communicating in a conversation , language that has existed for thousands of years !!! Who are these minorities and just how wealthy are they???

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

Language is changing all the time. 😀

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

English is constantly evolving.

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

By the way English hasn't existed for thousands of years.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

How dare we use pronouns? Wow, that's all it takes to trigger you? Weird

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

If being asked to use someone's preferred pronouns is bad for your mental health, you need to see a therapist.

They don't, but you don't get to tell me what pronouns I use to describe others

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

Do we get to tell you what our names are or what title we use? Or do get to make those up for us too?

@nealjroberts4050

Ай бұрын

Why is respecting someone's identity so wrong?

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

Ok, young lad.

If these guys even slightly disagree they could never voice it as they would get accused of hate speech by the all inclusive compassionate mob.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

aww... I thought you guys like *"FREE SPEECH"* tho???

@QueeferSutherland1

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 Who's you guys?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@QueeferSutherland1 I thought it was you? Since you like "MAH FREE SPEECH".

@QueeferSutherland1

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 Would you like to clarify?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@QueeferSutherland1 nah.... anyone that gets pissed off over pronouns is not worth my time explaining the obvious contradictions towards their diplomatic patriarchy.

Goodbye

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

Your leaving again? Sheesh make up your mind

@SteVibiana

Ай бұрын

Toodles 😊

@edb8830

Ай бұрын

👋

In my ideal world we wouldn't use any pronouns as they are just boxes we put on people that often don't even mean exactly the same thing between individuals. What person A thinks a Man is will vary somewhat from what Person B does. The only thing you need to know about me is that I'm a person, you don't need any immediate identifying information about how I might look, act, dress, or any other expected social norms that comes from boxing someone in.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

"In my ideal world we wouldn't use any pronouns" Well, good luck with that. In your post you used nine of them.

@rustybrooks8916

Ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpress Ok, so, evidently I need to clarify that I only mean pronouns used to describe identity. Thought that was obvious, but evidently not.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

​@@rustybrooks8916 people have identity. That's how we work. Without it we would have chaos. Further, it doesn't matter what you or I think about about the _gender_ (or sexuality) of a person _APPEARS_ to be, rather it's _who_ they are, inside. Science confirms that both are real, unchangeable characteristics of a person's brain structure, so when a person says that this is who they are, in the absence of contradictory information, I'll believe them.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

@@rustybrooks8916 "Ok, so, evidently I need to clarify that I only mean pronouns used to describe identity. Thought that was obvious, but evidently not." Yes, it's my fault that you weren't clear. Not yours, obviously. So anyway, you're going to ban pronouns that describe identity - so no more 'he' for men, no more 'she' for women. Got it. may I ask what you'd like us to replace them with?

@rustybrooks8916

Ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpress I forget that people aren't capable of looking at context to understand something, especially on the internet. You do bring up a good point regardless, I suppose you need at least one neutral pronoun for the sake of language. "It" serves to describe most things without relaying any information beyond a thing that exists, and is accurate given that people are also physical objects. They might also work, it relays that you are dealing with a person without assuming much else about them.

For all those whinging about deleted posts Read YT's terms of service and stick within them. Commenting on YT is a privilege not a right.

For somebody to say they are nice and inclusive, and then go a berate someone and cut them off for a belief that's different to their own...... wow, very inclusive.

@kurvos

Ай бұрын

Indeed. I hate transphobes myself - but we shouldn't give them an excuse to feel marginalized. They should at least hear them out, then explain to them how and why you disagree and whether they are misinformed or not, and THEN kick them out if they keep being unreasonable. But all he did was to state his opinions. I don't see the issue. I just feel like it's childish to kick him out going "blah blah blah".

@meloveAi

Ай бұрын

Would you allow someone into your home if they have openly said that you are a terrorist/victim of terrorism for being nice to your neighbors?

@CAVtheANIMAL

Ай бұрын

@meloveAi No. If they were proven to by a terrorist, using rational, scientific and logical methods.

@meloveAi

Ай бұрын

@@CAVtheANIMAL So if you don't allow them into your home, does that make you a hypocrite if you tell others that you are nice and inclusive?

@kurvos

Ай бұрын

@@meloveAi False equivalence fallacy.

Why don't we address each other my our name instead of a promoun. Am not a pronoun..

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

Have a preferred pronoun doesn't mean you identify as a pronoun. What planet are you living on?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

why do you have an issue with acknowledging a Trans person?

@mcm_wingchun

Ай бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 What pronoun does the planet identify as?

@wyldink1

Ай бұрын

@@mcm_wingchun I don't think the planet has sufficient consciousness to prefer a pronoun. Though many people call it a "her". Mother Earth? Gaia?

How are pronouns related to transgenderism? It's just a preference?

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

Which is?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

you are dumb. 😒🤦‍♂

@ronitsrivastava377

Ай бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 I am asking a question. What are you asking me?😅

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

@@ronitsrivastava377 which is the preference? Being trans or the pronouns?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@ronitsrivastava377 cuz u stupid.

Oh get serious lol

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

shut up Nazi.

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 Oh get serious lol

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

Oh look a white racist.

Caller is a liar. Pronouns have been on the show for many many years.

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

​@@patrickwoods2213nobodies forcing you to.

@jTech50

Ай бұрын

@@patrickwoods2213 we were all already using our own hetero pronouns prior. It's not an imposition.

@Vaishino

Ай бұрын

@@patrickwoods2213 you're someone with a real firm grasp on the English language aren't you? Pronouns are a part of everyday speech. Everyone uses them.

@patrickwoods2213

Ай бұрын

@@Vaishino Yes, but that's no the point. I shouldn't feel be made to feel guilty for not referring to someone by their "preferred pronouns."

@patrickwoods2213

Ай бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 So far for me, no. Others get bullied or cancelled for not doing it.

"Finger's on the drop button." These two are clowns. "We are just being nice!" 🤮

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

They are nice to people who deserve it.

@dnjelly1063

Ай бұрын

@@Seticzech atheists cant determine who "deserves" it. It's just, like, your opinion, man.

This idiocy is why the atheist experience has fallen so hard over the last few years. Used to be a kick ass show and the panelists used to place facts and evidence before an ideology. Got to love that last line too "we are just trying to be nice!" Yeah, you two really came off as real nice in this exchange. They want to piss on our legs and tell us it's raining. Losers.

@MontyCaribdis

Ай бұрын

You say that they have not been nice in this exchange, yet you open your comment by calling them idiots I wasn't trying to scare you woth that pronoun there, it's just how english works.

@TheAnGryPOolMaN

Ай бұрын

@@MontyCaribdis I'm pointing out their hypocrisy. They proclaim they are all about being nice which is clearly bullshit, they couldn't give two shits about being nice.

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

You're a liar.

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

@@TheAnGryPOolMaN It is still a kick ass show, it nows kick bigots ass aswell. You dont like it despite being the same, says more about you than about the show.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

@@TheAnGryPOolMaN They are nice to people who deserve it. Maybe you conflate them with Christians turning the other cheek? 😀

Why pronouns matter: They don't.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

They do, unless you want me to call you "it". 😝😝

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

They do if you speak English

@edb8830

Ай бұрын

*They* what? *They* don't matter? 😂

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

@@edb8830 Damn, you beat me to it 😂

@AmplifiedBlack

Ай бұрын

@@danleejones1987 sure. I don't give a fuck what random people call me. Neither should anyone else.

I draw the line at made up pronouns

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

All pronouns are made-up, mate. They don't grow on trees. Language is a human-made construct. And by the way, we haven't had any new pronouns enter the language for about two hundred years.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

All words are made up, which, by your own comment, means you should probably stop talking altogether. You're welcome. 👍😁

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

​@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jrthere are some "neo-pronouns" that are more recent than that, though they don't get much use, like "hir". I was surprised to find that "ze" is nearly 200 years old.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 There are some old English pronouns that we've stopped using in modern English. There's "heo", equivalent to "she". "Hit" is the neuter nominative. "Hie", masculine and feminine 3rd-person plural, equivalent to "they". "Hiora", the possessive from of "hie". There are even dual pronouns which are used for two people or things, such as "wit", "git", and "hi" (they but for two people). There were a LOT more pronouns in the past.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

@@quecee I still use "git", but not as a pronoun! For example, "The OP is a real git!" 🤣

If I'm talking to someone all I need to know is their name. Where's the need to refer to their pronouns during a conversation?

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

You tell us, mate - you just used four pronouns in your own comment.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

Are you using "their" as a singular 3rd-person possessive pronoun for when you don't know the specific gender of the person? Just want to understand why you are referring to their pronouns during a conversation. Or are you just confused and thought that the preferred pronouns were for the hosts to use during the call. No. They would be used to refer to the caller after the call, as well as by people commenting in the live chats during the call, as well as in the comments.

@zoltans6020

Ай бұрын

⁠Congratulations, you know how to count. I'm assuming you didn't have to take your shoes and socks off. If I'm talking to you and you told me your name I'm going to use your name, I don't need to know your supposed pronouns.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

@@zoltans6020 The joke about taking off shoes and socks is for numbers beyond ten. The joke is that you run out of fingers after 10.

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

@@zoltans6020 Knowing their pronouns is convenient for when you want to talk about your new friend in the 3rd person

Personal pronouns only matter for the person that wants that pronoun.

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

Yep. Fetishes and funky tastes in fashion are personal issues, and there's no need to try to force others to play along.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 you are a sick porn preverted freak.

@GreenRevenant1515

Ай бұрын

If it only matters to the person who wants that pronoun then it shouldn't be any problem to call that person by their pronoun. It doesn't hurt you in any way to use it and it's a good way to show respect and get along with that person.

@dwp6471

Ай бұрын

If that was true why are there people who refuse to respect another person's wishes. Seem like the person refusing is the same one making a big deal out of it. Just be nice and respectful. You will survive.

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

@@dwp6471 you don’t see a problem with some narcissist walking around and demanding that people use his pronouns?? Yes, it is a big deal - wtf are you to demand that I respect you???

Got to love the threads, they are full of people pretending they have a problem with pronouns And of course we all believe that's their problem. 😆😆😆

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY! Their real problem is not pronouns.... their real problem is *TRANS PEOPLE!* They don't like Trans people and wish the Atheist Experience would not validate them. That's why they are upset, it's not pronouns that are the problem, it's the acknowledgment and resentment towards Transgender individuals, is why they are upset.

@aaronfarris6539

Ай бұрын

I have a problem with being compelled to practice a religion I'm not a part of. You can believe what you want but you don't get to force those beliefs on me. That is why I refuse preferred pronouns as a matter of principle.

@icycooldrink6085

Ай бұрын

@@aaronfarris6539 Then we should all refer to you as they/them. Who cares if you disagree, yeah?

@aaronfarris6539

Ай бұрын

@@icycooldrink6085 If you believe that I'm a they/them sure, but don't be surprised when people get confused because you're butchering the english language.

@confustled

Ай бұрын

@@aaronfarris6539 What does basic grammar have to do with religion? lmao

Christians - are you ok with me writing 'he' with a lower case 'h' when referring to your imaginary sky daddy? It's just a pronoun after all.

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

As a nonbinary trans Christian, I like to use He/Her/Them pronouns for the Father and Son, and She/It/Its for the Spirit. To defang the "oppressive trans agenda" narrative, I've decided that I don't care what pronouns or orthography other people use to refer to me, or to God. Not my place to control other people's language; I'm just trying to convey my own intended nuances, and reform my own binary thinking.

@soothing_de4th863

Ай бұрын

​@ChristianCatboy you do know Sodom and Gomorrah happened right?

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

@@soothing_de4th863 You know what the sin of Sodom was, right? Ezk 16:49 "Now this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed, and complacent; they did not help the poor and needy."

“We have our finger on the inclusive shut you up and end the call button, please don’t be phobic” - *Man who threatens to hand up a phone because he’s scared of being wrong*

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

so...... you're Transphobic?

The only pronouns that are gendered are 3rd person pronouns, because they have utility when describing people in the third person. Pronouns are assigned, not chosen.

@Leith_Crowther

Ай бұрын

Look at dumbusername667. Since third person descriptions with utility to describe people like names and pronouns are assigned instead of chosen, that must mean I can call this bitch* dumbusername667 and it’s not disrespectful in the slightest. *I’ve assigned you the pronouns “this bitch/this bitch” because it’s the most descriptive and useful thing I could think of for you.

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

But as more people deviate from traditional gender expression, basing pronouns on biological sex loses its utility. Like trying to base pronouns on blood type

@ToHoldNothing

Ай бұрын

Utility in the sense that it's more expedient to just assume people fit into particular norms. That's hardly inclusive or even reasonable in a society that, allegedly, is more understanding of diversity than 50+ years ago

Putting gender front and center is virtue signaling; pretending it's merely inclusion ignores the fact that that you don't display a caller's race, religion (only if they're a theist or not), national origin, color, familial status, sex, or disability status. We don't need someone's pronouns to refer to them in the comments since we can use their name or, if necessary, refer to them as "they."

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

They might as well not ask for names either, we could call them "the callers"

@FrankDag

Ай бұрын

@@willjackson5885 Not sure if that was quite reductio ad absurdum, but it was in the realm. Guess you didn't read my second sentence.

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

I have seen that being attempted with some trolls, it is hillarious and show how it simply doesnt work.

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

@@FrankDag I did read it. We don’t need someone’s name to refer to them in the comments either

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

@@willjackson5885 Yes we do, Will.

Why the fuck did he feel the need to call in about this? It’s just hate.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

That's pretty much it. It's a bunch of atheists, or in this case, the caller is Anti-Theist. Being upset that Trans people are validated and not shunned (no different than how Christians treat them 😒) and wants to invalidate the logic of acknowledgement towards Trans people. They Cuz, that's they want... quiet as motherfucking kept.

@russianbear54

Ай бұрын

You know, I fancy myself a brilliant scientist and a gallant war hero! If you don't treat me as such, then it's "hate".

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

​@@russianbear54 whatever you say... you still are stupid for not knowing what Transphobia means. 🤭🤭😂😂

@Bibbzyy

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 no one’s claiming to be a fucking scientist or a war hero. We’re saying “call me this”. You appear to have brain rot because you don’t even understand what we are talking about

@tek2095

Ай бұрын

@@russianbear54 Those aren't genders, try again without the false equivalency and strawmanning

This is a little strange. Not listing pronouns is not exclusion. I would think that by not listing pronouns anyone was welcome. Why don't you list color then, just to make sure you include everyone? It is not an argument for doing something that it is inclusion, because you are insinuating that not doing it would be exclusion, and then you would have to start to list a ton of things for everyone to feel included. The comparison to stripes in parking is not good either, as that is indeed an example of exclusion by not doing it. By not doing it we would make their lives harder, and that is not what is going on with pronouns. They are welcome - by all means. I would hope all people are welcome, even without mentioning thing they identify with or as, or things that are important to them. That is a dangerous route to go down. If you are honestly saying you're doing it because of inclusion, then why aren't you listing a lot of other things? And before haters go wild on me, I don't mind that the caller's pronouns are listed, but the argument in this video was simply not good enough.

@Vaishino

Ай бұрын

Pronouns get used in conversation, they're very relevant to a call in show. There's literally nothing dangerous about asking someone how they'd like to be referred to.

@tubehenry

Ай бұрын

@@Vaishino Certainly. That wasn't what I commented on though. I said that the argument is not good, that it is done for inclusion as it would suggest that by not doing it would be exclusion. It isn't exclusion not to include pronouns. It has been done forever, and it is still being done most places on the planet in most situations there are in life and completely without ill-intent. So to suggest that it is exclusion is a dangerous strawman.

@Vaishino

Ай бұрын

@@tubehenry it's not dangerous to include pronouns and lets us, the audience, better discuss the caller. It is good that they include them. I await your next essay.

@tubehenry

Ай бұрын

@@Vaishino Either I am not articulating myself well, or something else is going on. - Yet again, I am not saying including pronouns is dangerous. I was clear in saying I don't mind that at all. Let me be crystal clear: Insinuating that by NOT including pronouns is EXCLUSION is a dangerous strawman.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

​@@tubehenryIt's inclusive because it normalizes asking someone's pronouns, which in turn reduces pressure on transgender people.

RIP to Axp I guess. So much for logic and critical thinking.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

RIP to atheism, it's being dominated by bigots now... 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

What is illogical here? And what is against critical thinking?

@sideboob6851

Ай бұрын

​@@danleejones1987 What does pronouns have to do with atheism?

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@sideboob6851You're not a real ally, if you knew you would not be asking such a question like that? Especially knowing the damages Religion has done to people who are LGBTQ and became Atheist.

@nealjroberts4050

Ай бұрын

Well, logic and critical thinking aren't necessary for tolerance anyway. Are they?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Atheism guys

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

So what?

@lake4ishikawa

Ай бұрын

@@Seticzech Idk I thought the program was about atheism

@meloveAi

Ай бұрын

@@lake4ishikawa There's a bit of overlap depending on religious beliefs. Some religions dip their toe into things like sexual attraction and identity. I've heard plenty of arguments that "the gay lifestyle is against god" and stuff, so anything that isn't heterosexual or straight can be labeled as "against god" so...

@lake4ishikawa

Ай бұрын

@@meloveAi I'm fine with that argument but in the video they are just talking about pronouns and inclusion which by itself has nothing to do with atheism, I could be a fundamentalist christian and still accept their argument so I really don't understand the point of bringing identity politics into the God discussion

@meloveAi

Ай бұрын

@@lake4ishikawa *shrug* Maybe wanted to nip this caller in the bud by getting right to the point, or there weren't any callers who had a god subject.

putting the pronouns is a little irksome because of the stupid shit people do but it's eh. I have a bigger problem if people DEMAND I use them because then it becomes an infringement of my freedom of speech. and not putting the pronouns doesn't mean they're not included.

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

LOL, no sweetheart. Using the pronouns asked have always been part the basics of good manners, you dont get to impose the pronouns you want to call others, the same way you dont get to impose nicknames on others. I dont understand why people think making your argument is a good idea.

@cipherthevcuber

Ай бұрын

@Julian0101 I said demand. You can ask. And sure, common decency etc etc. But I'm not obliged to be nice. Tell me how much it makes me an ass. Especially if I don't bother asking since I don't give af abt things like that. And expect me to not bother to use your preferred pronouns or better, even bother to talk to you

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

@@cipherthevcuber Sure, you are not "obliged" to be decent, and no one is "demanding" you to be nice. Dunno why you are the one demanding that everyone else take your lack of common decency to be the new standard to talk to you, though. Quite the double standard you have there buddy. And no, throwing a tantrum doesnt help your argument either. Once again, i dont understand why people who admit to being an a55 gets flustered when people point out they are being an a55. I understand it from elemtary children, but from grown ups?

@cipherthevcuber

Ай бұрын

@Julian0101 what part of being demanded makes you think I'm the one who wants others to follow suit? Demanding others be nice is also demanding. Did I say anything about people having to put up with me? You don't like it. Go

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

@@cipherthevcuber Oh buddy, your perse cution complex is simply too used by reIigious people to not be recognizable , you are not convincing anyone here. What part of you claiming that "im being dema nded" makes you not the one making clear other should follow you suit? You dont like being de cent, that is ok. You dont being called on for being an a5, that is ok. No one has to put up with you, though. You making a tant rum about how your opinions keep being opined doesnt help you either. You dont like it? Go.

im over 75 and ive never had to explain my gender. and I didn't feel slighted for my gender ever. of course. you want to include everyone and if she he or he she feels slighted they it should respectfully wait until said person has finished what they are saying. instead of interrupting in the middle of a conversation to inform and correct about their gender preferences. it ain't in the bible. it ain't in any language book I've read and it is not common or even rare in past conversations until a few years ago. so if you know who you are you don't need to correct anyone that they misgendered you. it can wait. people mistake me for 21 all the time, but I never stop them and say, I'm over 75. people question I'm way under 125 even though I'm over 250. I'm polite and not once have I corrected anyone about my weight.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

Does it make you uncomfortable when people assume you are younger or lighter than you are? Is your age or weight likely to come up a dozen more times in the conversation?

@sohu86x

Ай бұрын

I thought you were 95 with one foot in the grave.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

@@sohu86x it's telling that he picked flattering examples for himself. Who would be offended for being mistaken for young and thin?

Its not important at all.. Every talk here states the pronounces and then the entire conversation is YOU... its making a point for the sake of making a point.

@GroundhogRoy

Ай бұрын

States the pronounces? What does that mean?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

So things are only important if they affect you. Got it.

@jeroentump7053

Ай бұрын

​@@GroundhogRoy Why Mention the pronounces at all when its entirely irrelevant for the conversation? When i talk to you its entirely irrelevant if you are a boy, girl or trans. I will talk to you.

@jeroentump7053

Ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Making shit up doesnt make you a skeptic. Maybe try to read a little better and dont make shit up out of your expectations.

@GroundhogRoy

Ай бұрын

@@jeroentump7053 I didn't, I asked you what you meant when _you_ mentioned it 🤦‍♂

The pronoun $#!+ is so unneeded that it's ridiculous.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

Try to talk without using pronouns. 😀

@sideboob6851

Ай бұрын

I'm for LGBTQ rights but the hypocrisy here for me is the atheists complaining about how religion and religious beliefs are being forced on us by the theists yet we at the same time are forcing this whole pronoun thing on everyone. I'm okay with calling someone a he or her, she or him, but this they/them, non-binary etc I'm not willing to play. I will be respectful of others but I'm not willing to play the pronoun game.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@sideboob6851 Being a *pick me* doesn't get you anywhere. Why kiss ass to people who clearly are being transphobic and prejudice and then call yourself an "Ally" when you see blatant nonsensical forms of hatred for something so insignificant as, *"pronouns"?*

@sideboob6851

Ай бұрын

​@@danleejones1987 We don't need to be forcing pronouns on people whilst complaining about people trying to force their beliefs or preferences on to us. It's hypocritical. Think about it.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

@@sideboob6851 "We don't need to be forcing pronouns on people" Why just pronouns? How about women's rights to vote or bodily autonomy? "whilst complaining about people trying to force their beliefs or preferences on to us." This is a bit of demagoguery, don't you think? There is a difference between asking people for something that will absolutely not impact their lives, such as using pronouns, and enforcing something that will often completely turn their lives upside down, like living according to the principles of faith from the Iron Age. Think about it.

Please do not equate accessibility for the handicapped with trans rights. As a person who does use a wheelchair, there is much of life that I am not able to participate in. A couple (out of hundreds) parking places does not even come close to leveling the playfield

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

An argument that I often see is that trans are so rare, so "Why are we doing anything for them?" I'm sure that you can see the issue, as it applies to you, right there.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

Further, trans people are so discriminated against, so hatred, so vilified, simply using their preferred pronouns does not even come close to leveling the playing field. But it helps.

@peterbumper2769

Ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Sure, but making my wheelchair life easier helps more people than just wheelchair users. Mothers with prams benefit, The elderly who have difficulty walking benefit

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2I don’t see your point on how they are discriminated on. Do people refuse to sell them groceries or Starbucks coffees? Do they get told to use their own water fountain? Do they get sent to the back of the bus? No? Talk to someone black from the 40’s what discrimination really feels like.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk Not discriminated against??? What the actual F are you talking about??? They get SCREAMED at while trying to take a 💩. They get called pedos and sickos. They are physically and sexually assaulted an order of magnitude more often then other people. There are a MULTIPLE jurisdictions writing legislation to outlaw their existence!

It's strange that they put everyone's pronouns on screen. Why does it matter?

@captaincookie2785

Ай бұрын

You do realize that this is from a live show, right? It's for the live audience in the comments, nitwit.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

Why does it matter to you?

@party4keeps28

Ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpress I simply think it's strange. It doesn't make sense, like if they put everyone's race on the screen. What's the point?

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

@@party4keeps28 False equivalence

@party4keeps28

Ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpress How so?

How painfully ironic. You don't want to exclude anybody, except for those who don't parrot your own enlightened opinions on every topic. Just, wow, what a sad display.

@sideboob6851

Ай бұрын

I've noticed that myself.

@nealjroberts4050

Ай бұрын

Personally I think respecting someone's identity is a good thing. If they've made it easier by declaring their pronouns then great!

@markdamratoski8468

Ай бұрын

I can't believe how quickly Jim dropped the call the second the guy wanted to have a discussion differing from Jim's opinion. That would have been the perfect opportunity to try and explain

@nealjroberts4050

Ай бұрын

@@markdamratoski8468 The caller didn't want a discussion they wanted to justify being prejudiced

@Jashtvorak

Ай бұрын

@@nealjroberts4050 why it’s a good thing? Not every person deserve respect. Respect is earned. Pronouns are pretty straightforward: I looked at those two dudes and knew they are dudes and he him is what we are going with when we see people like them. Personally I don’t care about all those made up in betweens. Never called a goth person by their edgy name, not going to start with those egotistical maniacs and ingulging their insanity.

I'm fine with whatever pronouns someone identifies with, but I only use he or she. No they or other labels, it confuses communication.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

How does using "they" or "them", for example confuse communication?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

Also, hello fellow physicist! 👋

@kurvos

Ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Because that can refer to multiple people as well. It's comparatively vague versus "he/him" and "she/her".

@slavicandroid1999

Ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 im guessing because its unclear whether youre talking about a person or a group or in the case of other languages an object

@AXKfUN9m

Ай бұрын

@@kurvos If only there was a singular non-gendered pronoun in English, there's "it" but people normally associate it with objects, abstract concepts or non-human things or living beings.

"inclusion" is their god.

@shanewilson7994

Ай бұрын

Inclusion is just important to people, no god required

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

Maybe you prefer segregation?

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

Don't be daft

@TheAnGryPOolMaN

Ай бұрын

@@shanewilson7994 listen to the way they invoke "inclusion" as justification for something with no evidence in the same way people invoke God for something. This concept is their God.

@shanewilson7994

Ай бұрын

@@TheAnGryPOolMaN wait, no evidence for what? What pronouns someone prefers?

Jim sounds pissed. Inclusion is ok. But what if someone doesn't want to talk about his pronouns? But about the issues? Jim is completely intolerant. Postmodernism has apparently reached him. It is kinda funny how he demands objective evidence from theists yet links the show to lgbtq and postmodernism whilst those who ask questions are simply blocked. I always enjoyed Jim but this was thoroughly diagraceful behavior reminding me if a child who puts his fingers in his ears bc he doesn't wanna hear. 😱

@ToHoldNothing

Ай бұрын

Tolerance of intolerance leads to a society where the intolerant walk all over people. Is that the kind of society you want? No one is ASKING them to talk about their pronouns, just putting them out there for inclusion's sake. Never has it been some forced aspect, the people complaining about it are the same ones who want to act like we should just pretend gender doesn't exist. Meanwhile you very likely gender behaviors, etc implicitly, so much like saying one doesn't see race, trying to be gender blind is often an exercise in futility that proves why the subjects need to be discussed more openly And asking questions in bad faith is not comparable to genuinely wanting to learn with intellectual humility, a virtue that has increasingly been lost as people think they can just "research" online and figure out stuff that it takes people years to have the kind of knowledge that would put them above the average person on a subject

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

I love how your argument is just a strawman followed by a non sequitor with a speck of tuquoqe.

@gvelden1

Ай бұрын

​@@ToHoldNothingThis is intolerance of curiosity. This caller was interested in the reasoning and instead of engaging, we get ad hominems. Assuming bad intent just based on the questions. By assuming a moral high ground, Jim avoided the opportunity to discuss and, frankly, acted very immature.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

Where anyone force any pronouns? There were callers without pronouns and everything was fine. This caller WANTED to talk about pronouns, that's why he called.

@candykit5382

Ай бұрын

You can choose not to give pronouns when you call in, plenty of callers have done so in the past. Cringe.

Fantasy pronouns are compelled speech, which is prohibited by the law.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

I thought you motherfuckers like "FREE SPEECH"? 🤨

@edb8830

Ай бұрын

Don't be ridiculous

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

It's not compelled speech. It's just being polite.

@IkarusKommt

Ай бұрын

@@Beacon80 No pronoun is impolite. Threatening people with legal repercussions for using one neutral word over another is compelled speech.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

@@IkarusKommt So if you deliberately referred to a cis woman with male pronouns, knowing it upset her, that wouldn't be rude?

I hear these guys always speak about “reality” yet they play into this delusion. They is plural now it’s singular? Lol Reality is a trans woman will never be a woman and vise versa. It’s not hate, it’s reality and is a fact.

@mikahbee

Ай бұрын

Are you lost?

@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence

Ай бұрын

Exactly!!

@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence

Ай бұрын

@@mikahbee He is 100% rational and anyone disagreeing with what he said, isn't. men cannot become women and vice-versa. You have no business telling people with religious beliefs that what they believe doesn't comport with reality, and then on the other hand, trying to convince people of something that isn't a reality. It's ludicrous.

@ToHoldNothing

Ай бұрын

@@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence Maybe explain how acknowledging gender identity is even in the same zip code as belief in an unfalsifiable supernatural entity that judges whether you go to hell or heaven based on sycophancy to their superiority

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

The "reality" is that what society calls 'masculine' and 'feminine' is arbitrary, so why should we stigmatize female who'd rather be masculine and males who'd rather be feminine?

like every second video is about this shit now. stop. irony of talking to delusional people and then become delusional when talking about this.

@Everfalling

Ай бұрын

you're free to not watch or stop watching at any time. did you blindly click on the video without reading the title or the thumbnail?

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

"like every second video is about this shit now." Factually incorrect. Not even close, in fact

This channel went way WAY downhill. The atheist community used to have a backbone and seemed to be more scientific. Now it’s about feelings. I label myself a apatheist now because I don’t want people to lump me in with people like the presenters here and most of the modern atheist community. It’s embarrassing.

@willjackson5885

Ай бұрын

There’s nothing wrong or unscientific about having empathy for others

@seanalistairdavies3197

Ай бұрын

@@willjackson5885 affirming delusions? Kinda curious that they so easily argue the delusion of a belief in god, but cater to the delusion of men are women and vice versa. Sad state of the modern atheist community. If you’re going to accept someone being of one sex or another based on their feelings/beliefs why not accept their theists’ gods on those very same basis?

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

@@seanalistairdavies3197 "but cater to the delusion of men are women and vice versa" Another science denier who conflate gender with biological sex. Which are also not just two but actually 6. So by your logic everything we feel or think are delusions?

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

@@seanalistairdavies3197 Nothing's gone downhill. You're just a reactionary whinger whose rose-tinted specs need a polish.

@svenericsson7286

Ай бұрын

Guess it's a mystery. My guesses are; money and/ or time donations from "certain interest groups" or, some retaliatory drive against the theists for their 2000+ years of hatred, genocide and all that other old classic theistic "good stuff" that they bring and justifies (As long its conducted by "the right" people).

Jim needs cool his jets, I've watched this show long before he was ever here, when it was better. That wasn't a satisfactory answer and was rather unnecessarily snippy, for no reason at all, almost like it hit a nerve. I'd venture to wager he wouldn't dare talk to someone like that face-to-face

Absolutely childish and ridiculous attitude from the host.

Stating your obvious pronouns overtly, comes off as virtue signaling. Accommodating someone's delusion is harmful. For instance, supporting an anorexic individual who perceives themselves as overweight, or validating the beliefs of a schizophrenic who thinks they are being followed. While accommodating such beliefs might seem compassionate, it ultimately harms that person. In real-life interactions, honoring an individual's preferred pronouns is respectful, as I do with my transgender friends. Engaging in debates about pronoun usage with everyone you encounter isn't productive. Yes it's important to approach issues of identity with compassion, but we need to recognize them as mental health concerns. Endorsing and fostering delusions isn't conducive to anyone's well-being.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

Sharing your pronouns, even when it's obvious, makes it easier and safer for transgender people to share theirs.

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

It also helps androgynous cisgender people

@nealjroberts4050

Ай бұрын

Personally I think respecting someone's identity is a good thing. If they've made it easy for me by advertising their preferred pronouns then that's great. That's not delusional.

Being forced to play along with someone's sexual fantasies is sexual assault, not respect and inclusion-keep your "preferred pronouns" to yourself.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

No, and shame you for saying that! Trans people are not sex objects, that is misogynistic as well as being Transphobic. What the hell do you think Trans people are, PORN STARS, SEX WORKERS? The fuck? And even those people deserve respect, because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO!

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

We're not discussing sexual fantasies. Please take your Strawman with you when you leave.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@Beacon80 I tell you these Transphobes are the BIGGEST PORN WATCHERS of Trans P0rn. It was so relevant that Texas had to *BAN* Pornhub after seeing the statistics! XD

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

Ай бұрын

Your bigotry betrays you.

@joshsheridan9511

Ай бұрын

Want an effing stupid comment, even for an ignorant troll.

"I've been watching for a long time and then this came out of nowhere," Almost like you probably got bored and then came back and decided to b*tch about the show being "woke" or whatever other invectives are used by people who want to play like they're wholly objective

Oh how far The Atheist Experience has fallen. Instead of letting the caller discuss his views on the issue of pronouns, which half the country (most republicans), have an issue with, Jim drops the call. How rational. So much critical thinking going on here. Everything else under the sun is up for debate, criticism, and discussion. But as soon as the trans and pronoun issues come up, call dropped. These so-called rational thinkers act like religious zealots on this issue and betray all their core beliefs against faith and religion on this issue.

@Julian0101

Ай бұрын

Nah, i have seen callers being dropped when they start showing their bigotry, i remember a caller, from before the show was even live in the internet, who was cordial to the hosts but the moment he went an ti sem etic his number got banned. If you only notice that nowadays, and call it religious zealots, then you clearly had not pay attention.

@shanewilson7994

Ай бұрын

Oh no, he's not platforming a transphobic person. Oh the horror.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

There is no issue, there is nothing for discussion. Jim clearly stated the reason, end of story.

@warcrow2463

Ай бұрын

@@shanewilson7994 This comment is the issue I'm talking about. Labeling someone as transphobic and then dismissing them because YOU deem it so, is not rational. The alternative here is to actually discuss the issue and not presuppose your position as the moral high ground, and not take that belief on faith to dismiss a view that might contradict you.

@warcrow2463

Ай бұрын

@@SeticzechJim made a claim steeped in a pseudo religious belief and claimed it as true without providing evidence and using his emotions as justification

For the most part, there are two genders: male and female. Sure there are hermaphrodites but they are somewhat rare. If you’re male, your pronouns are “he, his, and him”. Women, pronouns are (she and her). It’s so simple honestly, it’s not worth going crazy trying to rewrite how things are.

@mikahbee

Ай бұрын

Wrong on almost every single count.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

There are two bi-modal biological sexes: male and female. When you say "somewhat rare", below what number are you willing to discard them from societal considerations?

@Aaron-my9zy

Ай бұрын

Lemme hep you with that, my friend. Gender is a social construct, and it includes man, woman, non-binary, etc. What you're refering to is actually someone's sex, which is biological and includes male, female, and intersex. But hey don't take it from me, take it from an actual biologist who's been on this show and many like it! Forrest Valkai's video "Sex And Sensibility" is amazing and goes over stuff like how one's sex is determined, the difference between gender and sex, etc.

@ScienceFollowsTheEvidence

Ай бұрын

@@mikahbee You're delusional. If you think a man in a dress and lipstick who says "I want to identify as a woman, call me Jenny", is actually a woman, then you are wrong. Even after the surgery, the chromosomes are male, there is no womb, never was a womb, never had a period, nothing. It's just a guy with his dick cut off who want's to be called 'she'. And now these male 'she's' want to be in womens bathrooms. Well what about the rights of real women? Do some actual biological research. Atheist Experience are so wrong on this and are trying to distort reality to make confused people feel better. But that requires a suspension of reality. Something they've been advocating against for years with the AXP programme. Total double standards. Make your argument if you have one.

@Leith_Crowther

Ай бұрын

Why are you bringing up sex when you’re trying to talk about gender? Do you usually conflate anatomy with sociology, or is that just for this one topic?

Unsubscribed. I have nothing against LGBTQ, but the way this cultural woke marxism agenda is pushed grinds my gears and has nothing to do with atheism. I’m going to seek my intellectual curiosity elsewhere, now the Atheist experience has become that what I always opposed, a cult show.

@jonclark8252

Ай бұрын

This is not an airport, you don't need to announce your departure.

@Hhalo2

Ай бұрын

Asking for a person’s pronouns at the start of a conversation is just every bit as reasonable as asking for a person’s name.

@Seticzech

Ай бұрын

@@Hhalo2 They don't understand that. In their mind it's cultural woke marxism agenda even it has literally nothing to do with marxism.

@davidbiagioni8303

Ай бұрын

@@jonclark8252Luckily I don’t need your permission either, you’re not my dad.

@davidbiagioni8303

Ай бұрын

@@Hhalo2I don’t mind that people are asked for their pronouns, but I do mind when people are forced to participate in the pronouns and gender thing. Furthermore I celebrate the right for people to assign a gender or pronouns to themselves, but I also celebrate the right of others not to participate and not to acknowledge the gender and pronouns of people. All of this has nothing to do with atheism and shouldn’t be a topic here in my opinion.

Jim being an asshole here. I’m disappointed in him. “Blah, blah, blah, blah… “ Unnecessary Jim.

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

You mean like yourself for not wanting to acknowledge *Trans people?*

Cringe. Pronouns are not needed for everyone and if you are an attention seeker you can always tell someone what you would like to be called. Having to list it is not necessary.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

Yep. And that's what shows like this is doing. They give the opportunity for everyone to indicate what they would like to be called so that this kind of courtesy and respect for each other becomes the norm.

@mikahbee

Ай бұрын

You must be new here.

@captainbadger1013

Ай бұрын

@@quecee It is 99% of the time obvious what someone would like to be called. In theory we are all non binary because we all share male and female characteristics, which is why I don't even recognise the term non binary. It doesn't mean anything to be non binary.

@captainbadger1013

Ай бұрын

@@quecee We all share male and female characteristics and that's why I don't recognise the term non binary. Non binary doesn't mean anything, it's vapid. 99% of the time we know what someone would like to be called and listing it on everything isn't needed.

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk

Ай бұрын

@@quecee I can be atheist and use common sense. Common sense dictates your feelings shouldn’t be catered to before our homeless veterans.

Affirming the delusion's of others is not healthy for anyone. Same with theism.

@matty543210098

Ай бұрын

Let's look at it from a different point of view. The amount of gender neutral names has greatly increased. To the point where you may not actually be sure. It would be best to know someone's gender so you don't call them the wrong one.

@matty543210098

Ай бұрын

Likewise, some trans people look no where near their former gender so it would be confusing to use it anyway. Like come on. At a certain point you gotta step back from the toxic political nonsense attacking trans people and just not be a dick.

@babs_babs

Ай бұрын

gender isn’t a delusion.

@scottkelsch9015

Ай бұрын

@@babs_babs Expecting others to affirm it is not healthy for anyone. Stop expecting others to accept what you haven't.

@babs_babs

Ай бұрын

@@scottkelsch9015 1) nobody expects anything from transphobes like yourself. we already know you give nothing 2) gender affirmation is what’s healthiest for everyone, including cis people like yourself. 3) why do you act like you’re correct when you’re so obviously confused?

Jim you claimed you're all about inclusion. Except of course when someone's opinion differs from yours suddenly they're not included. You blah blah blah out of what could have been a fascinating discussion. And missed out on an opportunity to help explain your position on pronouns

@Beacon80

Ай бұрын

Paradox of Tolerance

Everyone knew 10 years ago, that all that Atheism Plus nonsense, would turn into this shambles. 😊

unsubscribed

@ButterknifeofMoses4

Ай бұрын

Good job man. We need to show this foolishness for what it is!

@N_IRL

Ай бұрын

womp womp

@NirolfLuap

Ай бұрын

Me too... As an atheist I feel ashamed for these people! They are not atheists! They're libtards... What the eff does atheism have to do with these nutters use of pronouns? NOTHING. That's why people have such a bad impression of us, because instead of using logic to debate theists or religion related issues our atheists influencers are doing anything but...

@danleejones1987

Ай бұрын

@@NirolfLuap You are no better than Religious Christians who discriminate against *Trans, Blacks, Gays* for similar reasons of intolerance. No different, aside from a book that says *"God told me so".* 🤷‍♂🤷‍♀

@SteVibiana

Ай бұрын

Well ... Bye.

Worst hosts ever...

1:34 Oh come on, this is just childish. You kick him out for saying "succumb to their demands"? All you're doing is giving the transphobes more excuses to feel marginalized. I think it's better AND more mature to hear them out on what they think, then explain to them how things are, and THEN if they STILL won't listen, kick them out.

🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧ im always glad to see the inclusion of pronouns. it really helped me feel more comfortable to actually be who i am instead of hiding. made me feel like i was actually seen as a normal person. i dont care if every converstaion doesnt start with stating your pronouns but such a simple inclusion on screen like this helps people understand what pronouns to use when people dont fall under "normal" assumptions and that its fine.