“What if we picked the wrong religion? Every time we go to church. We ‘re just making God madder and madder!” ~ Homer Simpson~

To quote someone I heard many years ago… It’s not my fault I’m an atheist, it’s just the way God made me 😊

@TheZombieSaints

11 күн бұрын

Brilliant! I'm gonna use that one

@roberthunter6927

10 күн бұрын

Atheism is not something that you have to apologize for or make excuses about. Except perhaps in a totalitarian theocracy, in which case you would not offer any information on it anyway.

@blshqp

10 күн бұрын

"bUt gOd gAvE uS fReE wIlL"

@gknight4719

9 күн бұрын

Or god dislikes smart humans.

@roberthunter6927

8 күн бұрын

@@gknight4719 Sure. Since god is invented by humans, you don't want a smart person realizing the scam.

"It what if you're wrong?" Then I'm wrong. I never understood how people think this is a deep or thoughtful question.

@simonvetter2420

9 күн бұрын

No no, you're supposed to be so scared that you turn theist immediately. Which is a great way to acquire a belief system which dictates how you live your entire life.

@zoggdawg8141

9 күн бұрын

@@simonvetter2420 Aw snap, thats so true LOL

@party4keeps28

8 күн бұрын

They never ask themselves that question yet they always ask athiests.

@Andrey-il8rh

5 күн бұрын

Dawkins actually had a brilliant response to that question, you can find it on KZread

"I HAVE to believe because I'm really afraid !"

@JacksEvidenceTampering

11 күн бұрын

Nobody sounds more scared of hell than an atheist.. the thought of hell never crosses my mind until an atheist talks about it. It's like you're so scared of hell that you want to convince yourself that God doesn't exist. Do you really think that people who believe in God want to do what you people do like murder and crossdress your children , has man on man relations. We don't want anyhing to do with that and it's not because we're scared of going to hell it's because it's disgusting it's completely immoral.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering Yes, Cletus - we're soooo scared 🥱

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering "Do you really think that people who believe in God want to do what you people do like murder and crossdress your children , has man on man relations." Reported for hate speech

@tonyclements1147

11 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering Keep trolling Joey.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

10 күн бұрын

​@@JacksEvidenceTamperingI'm afraid of hell like you are afraid of Voldemort.

A god that is malevolent is one a good person will refuse to worship. That too is a reason for atheism.

At this point I just have to admire how quick on the draw the trolls are. They’re following these channels religiously in order to leave the first comments.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

"They’re following these channels religiously" Ba-dom-tsss 🥁👏😂

@Fig_Newton

11 күн бұрын

@@SundaeExpress well done

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@Fig_Newton For what, lol? Quoting and laughing? Hey, I'll take it! 😁

@JacksEvidenceTampering

11 күн бұрын

It's not surprising most leftists are atheist because both always come to the conclusion somebody's trolling them every time they get emotionally triggered by the truth. I bet if they did test they would find out that men who support the atheistic humanist left suffer from higher levels of estrogen than normal men . Just because you're emotionally triggered by the truth that doesn't equate to somebody else trolling. Please keep that in mind.

@johns1625

11 күн бұрын

Trolls are those who say wrong things intentionally to get a reaction. The people you are referring to are just morons.

If a Christian says that if you're a Christian and you die and Christianity turns out to be wrong then you haven't lost anything, more people need to point out that you lost all the time and money and energy you spent on a religion that wasn't true, sometimes for an entire lifetime. That's losing a lot!

@vitast2000

11 күн бұрын

At the same time it points out their indoctrination when they consider it a 50/50 chance. They exclude the many other beliefs and their heaven or hell.

@niceguy191

11 күн бұрын

Never mind if it's actually the non-Christians who are rewarded in the afterlife...

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

10 күн бұрын

And if they actually believed Pascal's Wager, they would follow all 613 commandments in the Old Testament - the math is identical.

@Mkeusquealbby

10 күн бұрын

Not only that, they only factor 2 options: the christian god is real or there is no god. They don't account for the existence of other religions and other gods. Christianity may be wrong because Islam is right and then both atheists and christians will go to Muslim hell

@mistylover7398

9 күн бұрын

​@@niceguy191yup hopefully lol

This hits right on target for me. The first 40+ years of my life, I filtered big decisions through the lens of my childhood indoctrination & fear of an afterlife.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I've been wrong about many things.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

I was only ever wrong once - and that was one time when I thought I was wrong and it turned out I wasn't.

@georgeaguilar6996

11 күн бұрын

Ok good to know, there's some humility after all.

@amtlpaul

11 күн бұрын

@@georgeaguilar6996 Do you have such humility?

@petyrkowalski9887

11 күн бұрын

And if you are wrong, this wonderful god will forgive you.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

11 күн бұрын

@@petyrkowalski9887 🤣

I HOPE I'm wrong and I get the opportunity to ask this so-called loving gawd why he interferes in field goals and baseball games but couldn't be bothered to grant me the healing I was begging for as an innocent child. And why a loving gawd NEEDS to be fruitlessly BEGGED to heal sick children.

What I never get about when apologists use Pascal's Wager, they never seem to take the next step and apply it to their own religion. Like there's thousands of different versions of Christianity alone, how do they know if their version is correct, let alone all the other different religions out there

@fumanpoo4725

11 күн бұрын

A civil conversation...maybe we are not 100% doomed?

@Beacon80

11 күн бұрын

I've jokingly come up with Pascal's Hedge, which is when you find as many different religions where the rules to get into the good life don't contradict each other and follow all of them.

Jesus: "I want to talk to you about Heaven" Me: "Why? I'm not into religion. " Jesus: "Well, maybe you should look at the the religion with the best afterlife? " Me: "I really don't think any of that matters. Wasn't the afterlife the Egyptian thing?" Jesus: "Yes, it is, I mean was." Me: "Sounds good to me. They wrap you up and put you in a really neat tomb. You become a tourist attraction. Even Steve Martin sang about King Tut! In Egypt they wrap you in cotton bandages and bury you with a cat... But you get to live in the afterlife for eternity of feasting and women..." Jesus: "There is a better option!" Me: "Yes, Mount Olympus! Sure I'd have to go to Greece for feasting and drinking and beautiful women... " Jesus: "No, no ,noooo. I mean in Heaven! Me: "So what's Heaven like?" Jesus: "In heaven, you wear white linen robes and sandals. There's not a lot of fun, but you get to watch God. God is of course omnipotent, but, kind of needs or wants, well, needs you to love him for not putting you in the torment he devised in case you don't love him... " Jesus: " You get to wash and kiss his feet!" Me: "Yuck, that sounds like it would be hell!" Jesus: "No... It's Heavan! Me: "You spelled it wrong!" Jesus: "Shut up!" Me: "I'd rather go to Valhalla! "There's endless drinking... There's endless feasting... " "There's sports and fighting... You wear leather and steel armour and helm, your sword, knives and shield by your side... It's a place to brag about your great deeds... Your Dogs and War Horses are with you... They have Valkyries and beautiful blonde athletic shield maidens... and of course you are in armour and the ladies and shield maidens, they love that stuff! As long as you know the Riddle of Steel it's all Good! Wine, mead, women and feasting! What's not to like?" Jesus: "What size armour do you think would fit me?"

@joejoe-lb6bw

11 күн бұрын

Great writing!

@F38U

11 күн бұрын

Christian heaven is boring af, even in the muslim one you are given loads of women,

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@F38U Yeah, sitting round on a freezing cold cloud listening to sodding harp music for all eternity. No thanks 🥴

@F38U

11 күн бұрын

@@SundaeExpress vahlallah sounds the best, blonde warrior big woman, ale, and smashing axes and hammers on eachother

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@F38U Throw in a beach barbie and I'm in! 🥳

People who believe in an afterlife are still incredibly sad at funerals.....why? Their loved one has just joined their friends and family in heaven. Unless they don't really believe this nonsense after all...

@anysailer

11 күн бұрын

That is it exactly, but it's a secret doubt. Hit the nail on the head.

If I am wrong, then its Gods will. No point worry about that which one has no control over 😎 And a good Sunday Morning 🌞 AXP, fans and theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️

@Rob-fc9wg

11 күн бұрын

Cheers bloke 👍

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

11 күн бұрын

Fair suck of the sav’ Smocky, no one should be as chipper as you in the morn🍻

I went with the option that seemed most likely and that's why I'm an atheist. After looking into the history of god belief and religions, it was very obvious that the likelihood of an actual god or gods existing was zip, zero, nada, none. The very concept is absurd once you know the history and just a bit about modern day science.

"A Christian who lately has been thinking." What a great intro. That is definitely headline material....

@2Goiz_1CuP

10 күн бұрын

Nice!

I live fully in the 21st century. I have no interest in trying to juggle a life with one foot in this century and one foot is the 1st century. I trust and rely on science every waking moment of every day, I have no room in my life for maybe.

I love the older videos tacking things like Pascal's Wager! These were more innocent times. The questions are more straightforward and the answers more to the point. After hours of watching modern pre-sups, this is like a soothing balm.

One time on Reddit I made a post breaking down all the massive problems with Pascal's Wager that I could think of, and some Christian replied with, "Well, everything you wrote is a valid point, but I think Pascal's Wager is the mostest smartiest and mostest awesomiest," and proceeded to parrot the argument oblivious to everything I wrote. Just more evidence than usual that this requires active, willful self-deception.

@tonyclements1147

10 күн бұрын

The “Mostest smartiest” Yeah, that’s most trolls around here too.

@fernlovebond

10 күн бұрын

@@tonyclements1147 "Around here"? As in... _the internet?_ Agreed.

The legal term is coercion. You are presented the choice between becoming an obedient conformist to the ancient superstition and being rewarded after death with living in the best conditions that the human mind can imagine or living in the most horrible conditions that the human mind can imagine. But, it is only ancient superstition.

These comment pages are so educational and it's amazing what I've learnt from the Christians on here over the last few days. The Universe was created by a moist rock, rhinoceroses don't exist and pronouns are a new invention. Thanks for your insights, guys 👍

@Leith_Crowther

11 күн бұрын

Not that new. We have records of the word “you” being used going as far back as 1952.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@Leith_Crowther That's right and I think it may go back even further - archaeologists recently unearthed evidence of someone called Oliver Hardy saying "That's another fine mess *you've* gotten me into!" as early as 1929!

One of the best i have listened to. A caller not trying to make irrational statements, and both comperes bringing up really relevant point...this helps my circumstance immensely, thank you

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong so what? What if Christians are wrong and the real god is Vishnu?

@JimCastleberry

11 күн бұрын

Christians don't believe in a god. Christians believe in God ya serial lying tool. God by any other name is still God. Boy, that idiot is strong in you son. You never learn.

@jesterc.6763

11 күн бұрын

Its more likely since hinduism predates christianity

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

11 күн бұрын

@@JimCastleberry Edith, what are your pronouns?

@JimCastleberry

11 күн бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr My pronouns are "Your Highness" or "Your Excellency" Don't disrespect my pronouns.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

​@@JimCastleberrysemantics the Abrahamic god is a god by definition

Afterlife is probably overrated. God permitting eternal punishment is *_not_* one to be worshiped.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

11 күн бұрын

👍🍻

Stunning clarity in the comments here ; again and again , without fail.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

Hey, if it's clear writing you want, the comments from JacksEvidenceTampering are a hoot 🥗😂🍿

Since « god » is claimed to be omnipotent, good, moral, forgiving etc… he will be fine if I dont believe when I die… its not my fault he didnt present me with credible evidence.

I just realized that it's exactly like phishing attempts. The fake sense of urgency, some information that seems relevant, etc 😂

The problem with Pascal's Wager is that a Christian will absolutely avoid answering this honestly. Indeed, Christians seem absolutely allergic to these sort of hypotheticals. Because they will answer 'Well, I'm not wrong.", but they expect everyone else to muse over the question and really ask ourselves the question in a deep and enlightening way.

Shoulds and oughts are externally imposed rules and expectations. Following a life where you make decisions based on personal internal choices is much more satisfying and empowering.

Richard Dawkins answered this question the best.

@joelonsdale

10 күн бұрын

Quote? Come on, throw us a bone!

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

10 күн бұрын

@@joelonsdale This is what he said: Well, what if I'm wrong, I mean - anybody could be wrong. We could all be wrong about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the pink unicorn and the flying teapot. You happen to have been brought up, I would presume, in a Christian faith. You know what it's like to not believe in a particular faith because you're not a Muslim. You're not a Hindu. Why aren't you a Hindu? Because you happen to have been brought up in America, not in India. If you had been brought up in India, you'd be a Hindu. If you had been brought up in Denmark in the time of the Vikings, you'd be believing in Wotan and Thor. If you were brought up in classical Greece, you'd be believing in Zeus. If you were brought up in central Africa, you'd be believing in the great Juju up the mountain. There's no particular reason to pick on the Judeo-Christian god, in which by the sheerest accident you happen to have been brought up and ask me the question, "What if I'm wrong?" What if you're wrong about the great Juju at the bottom of the sea?

@joelonsdale

10 күн бұрын

​@@Ghalaghor_McAllistorWow, you really delivered! Yes, that's said best... 😅

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

10 күн бұрын

@@joelonsdale You're welcome!

All gods, all religions, all "holy" books are the creations of mankind.

I always wondered what Christians believe happen to the people over seas who are ignorant of their entire belief system. Do all of them just go to hell for simply being born in the wrong place? I asked my mom this question. She watches preachers all day long on her tv. She never even considered that idea. She says god must give special privilege to those who are ignorant and grants them eternal life. I then asked her why not just stop teaching the belief all together so we can all enter heaven without having to believe. She said its better to earn your way into heaven. Which is code for "we want undesirables to suffer for eternity"

@quentind1924

11 күн бұрын

I believe that they say someone that never heard of christianity can't go to hell. Which brings me a question : WHY DO YOU TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC AND NOT PRAY IT IN SECRET SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CONVERT AND LOSE TIME PRAYING THAT GOD OR GO TO HELL ???

@nickt463

11 күн бұрын

@quentind1924 yea that's exactly what I told her. If ignorance gives a free pass then why do they send missionaries over seas to convert them? Jealousy? They can't stand the fact they have to work for something someone else gets for free? Doesn't seem very "Christ" like 😂

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

10 күн бұрын

Reminds me of JW who try to convert as many people as possible so they can get one of the many limited places in upper heaven. The rest will just have to stay on the lower heaven for peasants.

@Gerryjournal

10 күн бұрын

Eternal life? Surely the 30,000 people who die each day from starvation would argue that this life needs to be worth living

Jimedith Bromfeld-Castleberry's trolling lacks subtlety.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

It lacks intelligence, it's just irrational hatred

@diogeneslamp8004

11 күн бұрын

“Jimedith” being a family name? 😂

@t800fantasm2

11 күн бұрын

They also lack: Truth.... Credibility.... Intelligence.... Any understanding of science...

@wyldink1

11 күн бұрын

Careful, you know how he kneejerks to "lacking" something. "A dead cat or a watermelon lacks subtlety! Therefore Godroflcotperz!!1!"

First it needs to be demonstrated that a god could possibly exist before probability or belief come in to the picture.

@oxidize11

10 күн бұрын

Correct. Theists just assume that god existing is the starting point, when it's really not.

Athiest can never be wrong. Because as an athiest, i never made any claim.

If a God exists, pathetic fanboying/fangirling is going to do nothing expect annoy it anyway. Best to stay silent.

Pascal’s wager doesn’t work because we don’t choose to believe, we are either convinced or we aren’t, it is not a choice.

@fernlovebond

10 күн бұрын

The steelmanning of P's Wager is that he does actually say it is best to _behave as if it is true,_ not simply make yourself believe. Even then, however, there are massive problems with Pascal's weak argumentation.

@fazerianducati

10 күн бұрын

We cannot make ourselves believe anything

@fernlovebond

9 күн бұрын

@@fazerianducati I think maybe you didn't read my reply carefully enough: that isn't what I was saying at all, and I was pointing out that Pascal himself didn't actually say that, either. He argues that you should BEHAVE AS IF you believe, that is PRETEND, as a "just in case" measure, a "cover your ass" move. He doesn't actually advocate "so you should believe" as if you could pick, that's the idiot mischaracterizing which many Christians put forth, whether they know it's Pascal's or not.

@KarlBunker

8 күн бұрын

You have to behave as if you believe, and hope to heck that god is lousy at detecting insincerity.

superstition - noun 1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition 2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary Merriam-Webster

If 'god' wants everyone to be miserable it's not doing it very well; if it wants everyone to be in bliss it's not doing it very well. Why should I care about a puny god?

Good call.

It would suck if I'm wrong, but I can't change what I feel is true.

Rick Dawkins? 7th century England...? 🤔

@brynpookc1127

11 күн бұрын

@PomPom123Boo Like those who refer to Christopher Hitchens as “Chris” 😮

Where did the materials come from that this 'God' bloke used to build the Universe?

@onlyme972

11 күн бұрын

ACME instant universe kit, same as the roadrunner. Just add water.

@tristanblackmore9772

11 күн бұрын

IKEA, obviously. Some assembly required...

@anysailer

11 күн бұрын

He found the left overs of the previous universe, from when the previous God bloke lost his temper and destroyed it because some apes on an insignificant little speck of a planet in a forgotten corner of it decided that they would not believe in him anymore, at a garage sale in El Paso and bought them for $3.

@ziploc2000

11 күн бұрын

Up his arse

@Gerryjournal

10 күн бұрын

The eternal and unanswerable question is, where did god come from?

Christianity as fire insurance.

Dark Matter does an interesting take on the issue of Pascal's wager with an episode called, Reverse Christianity.

one could believe for a bad reason. and another could not believe for a good reason. and punishment is dealt out at the cost of one’s believe? we’re not even diving into the believer and apologizer could be a bad person and the non believer could be a good person. all around it’s just a heavily flawed system

Why are we always picking on pronouns, while the other parts of speech are running riot? I'm looking at you, prepositions - we know where you are. And as for you adjectives, your behaviour is indescribable. And don't even get me started on nouns - I have some choice names for them! And I dread think what the verbs are doing. Frankly, all parts of speech should be arrested and given long sentences.

Comment for the algorithm.

@fernlovebond

10 күн бұрын

Interaction for the algorithm.

@jonclark8252

10 күн бұрын

All HAIL THE ALGORITHM!!!

Religion is a power play, for the most part. If you like to have followers who you can order around, then become a priest or a bishop or whatever. Keep your underlings in line with threats. They will all look up to you as you go around with your nose in the air. It's a good way to make a living.

atheist: "but what if YOU'RE wrong?" the pope (or any megachurch leader): "as bad choices go, this didn't turn out too badly then! i'm not so fond of the hat, though ..."

@fernlovebond

10 күн бұрын

Special hats! That's what we need. Fancy special hats, and then atheism will become more accepted.

It's amazing to me that folks can read the same words and get different meaning. It does, it happens just pull out a bible....

Leave religion behind and you become your own moral agent.

We can all be wrong but we all can’t be right. And there’s to many religious and beliefs out there to have tunnel vision!

12:01 "Religion have this idea that God has a plan for your life and if you're not living up to it, YOU are a FAILURE!" Oh? So god is in fact Chinese.

If I’m wrong then I’m wrong but I’ve seen absolutely no evidence that any “gods” exist.

On Pascals wager, What if there actually is a god and afterlife, And this god is a moral god, a god of truth, And what if this god of truths only desire for us living moral beings is to admit the truth, to the best of our ability. Wouldn't admitting that we don't know that such a god exists, be the best stance. As a thiest it is possible that you get to the pearly gates and say " i knew it, now give me my eternal reward" and god says "not so fast, bud, you spent your life claiming to believe in me and trying to convince others to believe in your version of me, but you never accepted the reality of our true relationship, and that is that you never actually knew me at all. Now off to hell with you." Viva agnosticism!!!

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

And in lesson 2 you're gonna explain how we know which of the many gods we should gamble on and how we know he's not lying to us about Heaven.

@9pktheories

11 күн бұрын

@@SundaeExpress pretty easy criteria only true religion would be the one where God preserved the holy book perfectly

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@9pktheories So which one's that, then?

@tonyclements1147

11 күн бұрын

@@9pktheories Oh please…🤦‍♂️

@Angelo5870

11 күн бұрын

@@SundaeExpress what did fatherofyourmother write, I'm not seeing it, for some reason.

God likes being surrounded by the gullible - the same ones who would 'accept' His only son being thrown under the bus for what those gullible people are instead responsible for - when they would never allow their own son to suffer and die for what they, the gullible parent did. Those same gullible few who would be happy & joyous surrounded by the other gullible people who accept substitutionary attornment for their own crimes from God’s son but never from their own, all the while the many - the non-gullible, the ones accepting responsibility, ones they have known and loved - are suffering forever for a couple of thought crimes, yes, the responsible, unselfish ones who would never accept EVEN YOU suffering AT ALL- let alone eternally… God says “heil” to His kind of people.

I really REALLY want there to be an afterlife, because this life SUCKS! But.... I have not seen anything that would convince me of anything other than the only thing waiting 'on the other side' is eternal nothingness. There is no evidence of anything like a 'soul' (apart from what's on the bottom of my shoe. Yes yes, I know...'sole') We are all destine to become worm-food, and fading memories in the people who knew us. The end is 'THE END'.

@sirbarryvee-eight6485

9 күн бұрын

"I really REALLY want there to be an afterlife, because this life SUCKS!" I hear you, but friend, life is what we make it. As an atheist I don't have anything to die for. I have everything to live for, so I make this life the best I can. (Says the guy still sitting in his office at 8pm...)

@jackwhitbread4583

7 күн бұрын

This life does suck in many ways however I really really want no part of an afterlife!!! Any kind of eternity no matter how wonderful and paradisiacal is not for me! I don't want to be conscious for eternity, I want my dirt nap when I'm gone and I don't wish for any type of consciousness when I'm gone. Eternity is far scarier to me than anything I could possibly imagine

GOD took this man’s hair

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Don't be silly,

@TallSilentGuy

11 күн бұрын

It looks like it's been taken off with an electric razor. Why would God need to use an electric razor?

By the way.. where is Hell ? It use to be " down there" when I was growing up but I think they moved it.

@sirbarryvee-eight6485

9 күн бұрын

Volcanic eruptions are just zombies trying to escape from hell. [No, I'm not serious. And it's sad that I felt compelled to point that out, simply given the high level of stupidity from the trolls than come here to copy/paste - you can't be sure anymore!]

@skblack5050

4 күн бұрын

@@sirbarryvee-eight6485 Growing up I was told hell was " down there". But they don't say that anymore so apparently they moved it.

"But, what if you're wrong ?" My answer : there is absolutely no way that the way god uses to decide whether someone's soul will go to heaven or hell is if they are a christian or not. That's something a cult leader would say, not god And considering how many things in the bible are trying to explain something in nature and we know that's not it, god must also be really dumb to not know how his own creation works (random example : rainbows are promises that the flood won't happen again, Genesis 9:12-17. Note that this quote also kinda implies that the flood was a mistake by god, but god is supposed to be perfect)

If atheists such as myself are wrong then is it not smart to suppose that the creator of the entire Universe would not create a Hell or deny my existence in a decent afterlife/

Why do they always need to interrupt

Pascal's wager assumes the god of Pascal is the only option. A god like that may have once seemed reasonable when you were born and lived in a village or farm and knew virtually nothing of the world's history or culture. The modern world gives us a wealth of knowledge about these things and makes the idea that your particular god is the true one that much more unrealistic and unjust. I'll take the wager that a god that can create the universe isn't going to be petty and needlessly cruel and will either cure everyone like a doctor and everyone goes to heaven or just not provide any afterlife for anyone and no one's the wiser anyway. Everyone wins and we all find out or everyone loses and none of us find out. I have no logical reason to assume an unjust god, theoretical or real.

Compare God to,,, say,, Smokey the Bear. Both have rules that are good to follow. Books about them. So is Smokey the bear real?

@fernlovebond

10 күн бұрын

He's real, and right now women feel much safer with Smokey than men.

@skblack5050

10 күн бұрын

@@fernlovebond Islam isn't women friendly for sure. I find it funny how the LGBQT people are supporting Palestine when their god is fine with killing gay people.

@jackwhitbread4583

7 күн бұрын

​​@@fernlovebondbecause we know what to expect with a bear, they are not irrational, they don't become aggressive and angry for no reason, they don't sexually assault me when I clearly say I'm not interested in their sexual advances. I don't have those worries with a bear, as long as the bear isn't hungry and I don't go near it's cubs I know it's probably not going to give me much trouble.

@fernlovebond

7 күн бұрын

@@jackwhitbread4583 Oh, seriously, right there with you. When I heard about it, it was just a headline, "Women Prefer Being Along in the Woods with a Bear Over a Man", and everything you just said was immediately clear. I just thot "of _course_ the bear is safer."

The afterlife? Hmm. I get bored at home with things to do. So what to do in heaven. Walk in the garden? Then what? Walk in the garden again? And again? Boring. Let's say I had the whole workd to do whatever I wanted. After 1,000 years I would be bored and that's a tiny fraction of eternity!! The afterlife would suck. Let's say I went to hell. After awhile a You would get used to it. I was in the army. I got used to living in the desert without electricity. I wouldn't choose that life but I adjusted and would've survived just fine (I was supplied food and water). So in the long run heaven and hell are not what they seem.

Is just me, or this thumbnail appear to be a bit weird?

@oxidize11

10 күн бұрын

They're pulling the youtube face nonsense that everyone resorts to at some point.

Does man have free will. Does man approve slavery or does God. 3:40

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

6 күн бұрын

Prove that you had an option to not write that OP.

@tommy32408

5 күн бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 That would require time travel. I don't have that power. Prove you didn't have to write your comment.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

4 күн бұрын

@@tommy32408 so a fail on the evidence. Try to prove it using logic.

I agree that Pascal's wager is horrible. Pascal was clearly a coward, but I believe his proposition was more a sort of 'when in Rome do as the Romans do" thing, that if you live in a society that has a particular set of religious beliefs then following with those beliefs (even if you don't really believe in the basis of those beliefs) will secure you at least a less complicated more stable and acceptable, and possibly even prosperous and enjoyable life. I think Pascal knew that all people secretly and silently doubted but were generally too cowardly to speak up and admit it and went along anyway because perhaps some others really were hearing God speaking to them. Of course today we now know that people hearing voices inside their heads are in fact crazy and in need of treatment. This collective cycle of delusion does prompt me to ask, why is it that Christians are so eager to convert non-believers? If they truly believe they are destined for the 'best heaven' why would they want everyone else to be there with them as well? Perhaps it's because they in fact are not sure that what they believe is true and having a bunch of other people believe it to, reinforces their own wavering belief, like, if I can get others to believe what I'd like to believe, then it must be true. Does that make sense? It's like repeating a lie often enough will make others accept that it is the truth, making it the truth. That's how propaganda (and cults) works and we all know how powerful that can be. A Christian who in fact has absolute knowledge (I think the theological term is 'assurance') would in fact shut up about their belief for fear of ascending to an over populated, less worthy, polluted, heavenly plain when they die. I am convinced that the church itself encourages proselytisation because it knows that it is selling a lie, or at least something that has no substantiation in fact or reality, and at least it is good business when more people accept the whole tithe guilt trip thing. This fundamental doubt, and the sense, that I have no doubt everyone has, that it might be a hoax after all, is the most powerful reason why, if it turns out not to be a hoax and that there is in fact a god and a judgement day, that that god is in fact the most despicable evil depraved disgusting entity ever to exist, and who would want to spend eternity with that. The alternative proposition, that when we die at the end of a life hopefully well lived and thoroughly enjoyed, there is a peaceful nothingness, is much more desirable, acceptable and believable, and of course, that way, no one will feel disappointed.

@fernlovebond

10 күн бұрын

Pascal was not arguing the social aspects of his wager at all. It might be best to look into the argument so you can assess its validity on its actual claims and merits (or absence thereof), and stop ginning up imaginary thinking on Pascal's part to meet your hypothesis.

GARGH I can't stand these people... YES THE PROBLEM OF EVIL IS TO DEMONSTRATE A GOD CANNOT EXIST. They'd become Pope rather than say "no gods exist". This show became the maybe-theism-is-right experience. 😞

*What if you're wrong* *What if* the original inhabitants of Easter Island were the ones worshipping the "true gods" to whom they erected the Moai were raptured to eternal reward and we are just the dirty washing in the bowl at the end of a lab experiment. *What if* the Vikings were correct, and Christians wiped out most of Odin's worshippers and as a consequence anybody who converts to Christianity immediately incurs the wrath of the Allfather and will spend the rest of eternity sitting on an ice-floe in Niflheim There are so many "What if" scenarios, so *what if* we all just get along with our lives and help each other to the best of our limited abilities instead of slaughtering each other for worshipping the wrong deity, or worshipping the "right" deity in the wrong way. How many people were killed in the Christian dispute over whether or not you should include a little figure of a man on the stylised instrument of torture worn to demonstrate your affiliation?

@SevenPr1me

8 күн бұрын

Nah ragnarok already happened. Odin and Thor were slain a long time ago because of stone reliefs depicting their deaths

@John_Lyle

8 күн бұрын

@@SevenPr1me According to Norse mythology as opposed to the MCU, Ragnarok will includea catastrophic series of natural disasters such as the burning of the world, and conclude with the submersion of the world under water. After these events, the world will rise again, clean and refreshed. The surviving and resurrected gods will meet, and the world will be repopulated by two human survivors, Líf and Lífþrasir. So no, not yet.

@SevenPr1me

8 күн бұрын

@@John_Lyle nah I'm saying that already happened. The world is actually only 800 years old, buddy ;)

Athest got big anser rong. We laffing

@sgtsnokeem1139

11 күн бұрын

C Learn grammar

@tonyclements1147

11 күн бұрын

OP is at the level of some other trolls on this thread.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

Because of restfully meddle chain, I attack what the absence would be like if mozzarellas could expand separately

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Sorry I've lost my gibberish to English dictionary

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

10 күн бұрын

Derp?

I was made to go to church every Sunday as a small child..... and I could never believe the crazy NON-sence that they were selling. Funny how seems like most of you guys on this show were once "believers". Just sayin'. Think about it.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Most of the hosts were indoctrinated, which is different from attending church once a week.

@johnmonk3381

11 күн бұрын

Correct spelling is nonsense

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@johnmonk3381 Or 'nonce-sense' if you're a 'Brass Eye' fan 🤭

@rsereday

11 күн бұрын

@@johnmonk3381 thanks spelling police but God spells through me, so it has to be correct. JESUS IS LARD!!! you know, like the animal fat.

Only in America, Mexico, Philippines are sooooooo religious

@AXKfUN9m

11 күн бұрын

A lot of countries are highly religious. There's Brazil, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Mexico, etc.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Iran and Afghanistan don't exist?

Why don't they edit these old videos to include pronouns? Isn't it important?

First! 🥳🏆

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Congrats

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

11 күн бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 Thank you 🤗

@Seticzech

11 күн бұрын

🤦🤦🤦🤦So much joy. 😀🥳🥳🥳

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

11 күн бұрын

@@Seticzech Yep, finally my 15 minutes of fame 😻

@t800fantasm2

11 күн бұрын

Happy Firsties!

Do you support the separation of church and world?

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Nope just keep your grubby mitts out of state and schools

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

Seems there's been a separation of Tryme and reality. Nurse!

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

​@@SundaeExpressChris and reality are legally divorced

@tryme3969

11 күн бұрын

@SundaeExpress Trust me, everything isn't what it seems.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

​@@tryme3969trust a proven liar and antisemite like you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

Not if,......if you can measure your standard as greater than Romans chapter 1, then I can say you are right, so read it and tell me if your personal morals are better beside it.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Mine are, better than the Abrahamic god who's amoral at best. Certainly better than a troll.

@georgeaguilar6996

11 күн бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 Failed.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

@@georgeaguilar6996 yes you did, but you'll always fail with your intentions when it comes to me. You must be a slow learner.

@amtlpaul

11 күн бұрын

I guess you are not that humble

@hailsagan8886

11 күн бұрын

​@georgeaguilar6996 how do you feel about Jesus drowning all the babies during the flood?

Beyond question! Atheists are wrong on stilts!

@Beacon80

11 күн бұрын

So you say, but you've got no proof.

@deniss2623

11 күн бұрын

@@Beacon80 Don't worry! We've got all the proof!

@tonyclements1147

11 күн бұрын

@@deniss2623 Really? This “proof” you rant about, are you going to present it, or just insist we won’t believe it, or we’ll just ignore it and so, not present it? I’m guessing the latter.

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

@@deniss2623 I've never worn stilts in my life, let alone been wrong on them. But get me a pogo stick and I'll debate the hell out of you.

@deniss2623

11 күн бұрын

@tonyclements1147 Your bunker is soundproof, Tony. But the Truth is a bunker-buster bomb! Wait for it.

The question isn’t “what if you’re wrong?” The question for Christianity is “do you desire Godliness?” Otherwise, Christianity simply becomes a mob-style protection racket. Which is the OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

@GroundhogRoy

11 күн бұрын

Another tea break?

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

11 күн бұрын

Hey, get off that company PC before the boss catches you!

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Yep a mob style protection racket, just about sums up Christianity. Believe or be tortured forever. What else would you call it?

@BladeofMoses4

11 күн бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_JrI’m home today

@t800fantasm2

11 күн бұрын

Christians might believe in Godliness, the rest of us don't think it exists... "Christianity simply becomes a mob-style protection racket" It pretty much is....

Vast majority worldwide have lack of belief in the atheist experience… ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? Romans 8:35

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

Tell that to their 412 thousand subscribers, Dickie

@Seticzech

11 күн бұрын

Romans 8:35 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Bible is very poor, immoral, incoherrent book of stories and fairy tales with more than 550 direct contradictions. It's just a summary of lore, beliefs, and culture of iron age ignorant superstitious misogynistic violent immoral goat herders, who INVENTED GOD for explaining pure natural phenomena.

@zoggdawg8141

11 күн бұрын

No I dont think they do, its pretty obvious they exist, unlike deities.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

11 күн бұрын

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@ApatheticFish3667

11 күн бұрын

Vast majority of people have not HEARD of the atheist experience.

You may want to read the book The Coming Prince. Written by the head of Scotland Yard. It proves God's existence and the fact that he inhabits Eternity and knows the end from the beginning.

@69eddieD

10 күн бұрын

Bullshit.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

10 күн бұрын

Proves? Only to gullible people who already believe.

@tonyclements1147

10 күн бұрын

Sir Robert Anderson devoutly believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God, and in that popular 1894 book, a companion to his Daniel in the Critics' Den, he mounts a defense of the prophetic Old Testament Book of Daniel, an early example of apocalyptic philosophy in Christianity. Basically a guy wrote a book. 🤦‍♂️

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

10 күн бұрын

You can't even get your Appeal to Authority Fallacy right! Anderson was NEVER "head of Scotland Yard", he was only a second Assistant Commissioner. 🤦 And even if he was the head, big f*ing whoopty! So what? The guy was scientifically and historically illiterate, in an era where even the experts knew close to nothing.

@gmswhackos2652

10 күн бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 99% of responses from atheists is some sort of insult. Which, of course, proves nothing. A valid response would be to actually read the book carefully and then make an educated decision.

Is there any atheist out there who believes the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God? If so please provide evidence to why you believe that. And if I'm not convinced in return I will provide evidence to why I believe in God and we will see which one is more logical. But if you don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God please let me know there should be no reason why you should have a bias you should be willing to tell me. PS I'm not asking you what you know is true I'm asking you what you believe is true. PSS please don't ask me for evidence to why I believe in God unless you have the belief the origins of Life came into existence without God and are willing to provide that evidence first. This is because the nature of atheism is an unwillingness or inability to accept ,no quality of evidence can convince someone of something they don't have the willingness or ability to accept This is why while I'm willing and able to give evidence to why I believe in God on atheist threads and two atheists I don't do it unless they provide an argument to why they believe the origins of Life came into existence without God first if that's what they believe

@josecortez4637

11 күн бұрын

Who's God? The one from the bible?

@F38U

11 күн бұрын

Which god?

@frompartsunknown687

11 күн бұрын

@@josecortez4637 God existing? No! A ROCK DID IT! We can prove in the lab IN REAL TIME that a ROCK has the LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY to give us and the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to give us these attributes when the ROCK meticulously created/designed the human being, 9 million DIFFERENT animals & 300,000 DIFFERENT plants. We don't need a God to create/design time/space/matter/energy simultaneously. Any part of BASIC NATURE can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). It's a lie that GOD DID IT. God didn't create/design time/space/matter/energy: "In the beginning (time), God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter/energy).” - Genesis 1:1

@SundaeExpress

11 күн бұрын

"Is there any atheist out there who believes the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God?" Er, yeah - all of them. That's kinda what 'atheist' means 😉

@frompartsunknown687

11 күн бұрын

@@F38U WE DO KNOW which God it is - the God of the Bible. You’d “Know” the right G0D by what they did: We can use “Thor” “Thor” didn’t claim to create time, space and matter at the REQUIRED same time as Jesus did in Genesis 1:1..”In the beginning (time), G0D created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter).” NOR does he declare you a liar if you do not see “HIM” by seeing his creation: “For since the creation of the world G0D’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” - Romans 1:20 (NIV) NOR did he become flesh and dwell among us like Jesus did: “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 NOR did he rise again and take his place at the right hand of the Father: “Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.” - Mathew 26:64 NOR is he going to be your Judge at JUDGEMENT DAY >> “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before G0D; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Revelation 20:12 So does that answer your question as to why JESUS and no other?

Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life...... Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Romans 10:9 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

@joshsheridan9511

11 күн бұрын

Nothing to repent for, no one to repent to.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

11 күн бұрын

Can't repent - not eligible. I had a distant ancestor who was born out of wedlock, so I'm doomed to Hell no matter what.

@Seticzech

11 күн бұрын

Cult nonsense.

@t800fantasm2

11 күн бұрын

"Believe in Jesus Christ" Why should we? Go on, show us all absolute proof that Jesus existed and that he is capable of giving us salvation... Pro Tip: Bible quotes are NOT proof of anything....

@Andre-zw5kl

11 күн бұрын

​@@Hampton_Doubleday_JrI never understand why this old man "God" can't understand that every relationship have different dynamics, ways and goals. For exemple my girlfriend and I decided to not get married as is something we don't need to show our commitment to each other. We adopted a girl 5 years ago and recently she give birth to our babies. Why can't he just understand our love?