If word-of-mouth was such a good way to pass down religion, why was the Bible ever created?

@rhondah1587

2 ай бұрын

From what I read years ago while doing my research, Marcion was writing a bible using only bits of Luke and Paul's letters and taking literary license with both. When word of that got around, the clerics got together and decided to put together a bible of their own and they also kicked Marcion out of their group as a heretic. LOL It took them quite a while to put it together with lots of arguments and internal disagreements, but they finally came up with pretty much with what we have today.

@benjaminmadrigalperez9010

2 ай бұрын

​@@rhondah1587a little bit of context about those disagreements. They were because of the trinitarian aspects of god. Some versions supported Jesus as god and a man. Other versions supported Jesus as only a man. And Even there was a third camp that belived that Jesus was never a man. After months of debating the emperor got feed up and stop the council and the delegation that belived that Jesus was only a man left. Then the delegation that belived Jesús was a god and a man Made another council right away. When the other delegation found out and return the oficial bible was already set.

@rhondah1587

2 ай бұрын

@@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 You would enjoy the book Jesus Wars by Philip Jenkins. Tells a very good recounting of the whole thing.

@CrawfishDeluxe

2 ай бұрын

I think this point goes to a much deeper problem that is essentially a deathblow to Christianity and basically any other religion with a personal diety who wants his message to get around: If this god is quite powerful, and it can communicate its message as it sees fit, and it wants us to all understand and agree with its message, why is there any debate going on? The very fact that there are schisms in Christianity and that literally anyone is not Christian demonstrates one of essentially three possibilities: 1 - the god of Christianity doesn't want its message to be agreed upon by everyone. 2 - the god of Christianity lacks the capacity, either the power or he's just too stupid, to ensure that this message gets through to everyone. or 3 - The god of Christianity doesn't exist.

@banishedbr

2 ай бұрын

the smarty pants at that time knew something about the stones that told the epic of gilgamesh and knowing many other didn't they started a religion, today we have ppl doing that nothing knew come on the stories are pretty close, some names changed you it's like teenagers coping homework and changing words 🤣

I am pleased to report that the Christian Union and the New Testament Society have joined forces going forward. I am certain that everyone will join with me in wishing the C.U.N.T.S. every success in their new endeavour.

@Hoping4Intelligence

2 ай бұрын

😂

@thomaswigfield7623

2 ай бұрын

@@Hoping4Intelligence Thank you.

@SurgiusMaximus

2 ай бұрын

I actually just discovered some great news. Virginia just set precedent for inmates to not participate in "mandatory" religions practice as a prerequisite for parole.

@gingerlawrence4677

2 ай бұрын

🤣thanks for that

@SurgiusMaximus

2 ай бұрын

I actually just discovered some great news. Virginia just set precedent for inmates to not participate in "mandatory" religions practice as a prerequisite for parole if it violates their 1st amendment rights.

The fact that a single religious text is “open to interpretation” is a clear indication that it’s not a good form of communication.

@hitman5782

2 ай бұрын

That we live in a world where everybody has a camera (smartphone) and people like James Randie are willing to pay millions for any verifiable evidence of anything supernatural but nobody can find any is also good evidence that no such thing exists.

@carlosalarcon9389

Ай бұрын

The Bible is not open to interpretations, they have specific interpretations, all of them.

@Crystan

Ай бұрын

@@carlosalarcon9389 And yet there are so many people interpreting it in so many different ways. Funny how that works.

The mental gymnastics Christians do never ceases to amaze me.

@stevewhite6861

2 ай бұрын

If mental gymnastics were an olympic sport he would be a gold medalist.

@jamespowers5951

2 ай бұрын

"MENTAL GYMNASTICS!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body. Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Repeat after me: Jesus is just a legend, myth. We have zero evidence about his existence outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Repeat after me: Jesus is just a legend, myth. We have zero evidence about his existence outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.

@chrissonofpear1384

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s What about major omission, of key details...?

The "telephone game" isn't "set up." It's simply illustrates a very obvious fact: the more a story is repeated, the more it changes. That's it. It's easily demonstrable.

@user-ee7bz3ip2b

Ай бұрын

Another big factor for many religions was how difficult information travelled. People were isolated geographically. Information moved as fast as people could walk, then horse and wagon.

@louistournas120

Ай бұрын

When we played the telephone game, I intentionally modified the message a bit. Stories about a man doing magic are intentionally written. A man rising from the dead is intentially written that way. The people who wrote those things are not journalists. They have faith that their country was going to be saved by the messiah and think later on, the greeks took over and they changed it into a global religion (savior of the world).

@AlvenmodFoto

27 күн бұрын

Have a meeting with 5 people and discuss any topic. When the meeting is over you will have 5 different stories about what was said in the meeting.

15 arguments that PROVE Santa exists and DESTROY Santa deniers: *1. Argument from Design* Every Christmas, a bunch of presents appear under my Christmas tree. I looked up pictures of the PS5 I might be getting if I’m nice, and it looks so beautiful that it can’t possibly have been made in a factory. No, the design is so complex and intricate that it must have been made by elves in Santa’s workshop. Therefore, Santa exists. *2. Argument from First Cause* Presents don’t just appear out of nowhere. You can’t just have a bunch of neatly wrapped gifts coming out of nothing. Every present must have a cause, and Santa is the only rational explanation I’ve heard that makes sense. Therefore, the first cause is Santa Claus. *3. Pascal’s Wager/Argument from consequences* Let’s say you’re a Santa denier, and it turns out you’re wrong. That means you’re in a world where grown-ups have to spend hundreds of dollars every Christmas, going through all kinds of stress, just to please their spoiled, thankless children. What kind of horrible world is that? Now let’s say you’re a Santa believer, and it turns out you’re wrong. That means you live in a wonderful world where a jolly man flies around and delivers free toys to all the boys and girls every year. I think it’s safer to bet on that option. If santa were false, parents would have to buy the gifts. I don’t want to live in that world, therefore Santa exists.

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

2 ай бұрын

*4. Ontological Argument* Let us assume that Santa is a maximally jolly being, the most jolly creature possible. Just imagine his cherry-red nose, his twinkling eyes, his belly shaking like a bowl full of jelly. There’s nothing more jolly than that, right? Let us also assume that it’s theoretically possible for a maximally jolly being to exist. And thirdly, let us assume that it’s better to be jolly and spread joy as a real being in the real world rather than as a made-up fictional character. Would that not be a property of a maximally jolly being? Therefore, Santa exists. *5. Moral Argument* Every year, Santa keeps two lists containing all the children of the world: one for “nice” children, one for “naughty” children. This incentivizes children to be on their best behavior, so they don’t get a lump of coal in their stocking this Christmas. But if Santa doesn’t exist and people stop believing in him, what happens then? Then we have no universal standard of morality! If there is no standard for what is naughty or nice, all is permitted! There’ll be rioting in the streets! Ax murderers breaking down your doors! Maniacs poisoning the water tower! Nuclear armageddon! OH GOD WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE! Therefore, Santa exists. *6. Argument from Prayer* Last year, I got a Lego Star Wars X-Wing building kit. I asked for that in a letter specifically addressed to Santa Claus. I even wrote “The North Pole” on the envelope and my dad helped me put it in the mailbox. How could my request have been granted unless Santa exists?

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

2 ай бұрын

*7. Argument from Scripture* Okay, Santa denier, if Santa doesn’t exist, then who are all the elves working for in their workshop up at the North Pole? Who does Mrs. Claus bake cookies for all year? Who said “Rudolph, with your nose so bright, won’t you guide my sleigh tonight” to Rudolph? Dasher, Comet, Cupid, and the rest have all given personal testimonies that Santa exists. Therefore, he does. *8. Argument from Fine Tuning* Did you know that Santa’s body is so fat that it keeps the Earth weighted just enough that it stays in its proper orbit? If he didn’t exist, the Earth would either crash into the Sun or go careening off into space and freeze into a snowball. Thanks to Santa, we’re staying in the exact right spot where we can live and be happy and stuff. No, I won’t give sources. *9. Argument from Incredulity* Are you SERIOUSLY asking me to believe that EVERY SINGLE PARENT on the ENTIRE PLANET just HAPPENS to spend a fat wad of cash on toys EVERY December, and then they just HAPPEN to give it to their kids on the EXACT SAME DAY, EVERY SINGLE YEAR? I simply find that to be too much of a COINCIDENCE to believe. Therefore, Santa exists.

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

2 ай бұрын

*10. Lewis Trilemma* With regards to the story of Santa Claus, you can believe one of three things. One, that Santa is lying, and that he made up the whole story about himself. But what motivation does he have to do that? Two, that he’s a lunatic, some bearded madman who raves about magical floating reindeer. But if he is crazy, then why does he seem so happy and nice in all the cartoons? That leaves us with only one option left: that Santa is being truthful about what he’s saying, and truly brings us presents every year. Yep, there’s no possible fourth option here. *11. Jordan Peterson’s Argument* Do I believe in Santa Claus? Well, it depends what you mean by “believe”. If we examine the metaphysical architecture of belief as a function of Jungian analysis, then we can identify something resembling a Falstaffian archetype as a product of the collective subconscious of various hierarchies. And we must also define what it means to “exist”. If a product of traditional wisdom is so thoroughly intertwined with the hierarchies of pre-Dostoevsky Western society, and this patriarchal archetype functions in bestowing numinous meaning upon the individual and helping to combat the pathological shadow-dragon that lies within the superego, then who are these postmodern neo-Marxists to push an ideology which contends that Santa does not “exist” within these hierarchies? It also depends what you mean by “Santa”... *12. Argument from Conspiracy* It’s all a big cover-up! The government doesn’t want you to see it, but in Area 51, they’re hiding photos of Santa in his sleigh, half-eaten cookies with his DNA on it, even one of Rudolph’s turds! You brainwashed sheeple just go about your life with no idea that the deep state has been hiding Santa’s existence from you. The Illuminati has been sending secret UFOs to spy on your house and spray your Christmas trees with chemicals that will turn you into a soyboy! And the ringleader behind the whole thing?...the half-Reptilian half-cyborg known as BILL GATES!

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

2 ай бұрын

*13. Argument from Personal Experience* I sat on Santa’s lap in the mall once! Well...I know that wasn’t really him. But the real Santa talked to me one time...well, it was while I was high on ayahuasca. But okay, one time I felt really scared, and I just kinda felt like Santa was there. No, I didn’t see anything. Or hear anything. And nothing in particular really changed about my life, but I just kinda felt a little something, y’know?...Are you converted yet? *14. Ad Hominem* You know what? I’m tired of you arrogant Santa-deniers with your “science” that says a reindeer can’t fly. You all just believe this because there’s something wrong with YOU, and you just can’t stand the sight of Christmas cheer or joy. You all just hate the world, and you know what, I hate YOU! I HATE you all so much! You’re all just having a toxic circlejerk! Santa denialism is a religion! That Christmas song you quoted was out of context! You’re all just servants of the Grinch! YOU’RE ALL NAUGHTY AND YOU’LL GET A LUMP OF COAL THIS CHRISTMAS! YOU HEAR ME? COAL! I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!! *15. Argument from Honesty* My parents told me Santa exists, and I like them. If anyone tells me Santa doesn’t exist, I don’t like them. Therefore, Santa exists. Prove Santa isn't real. I don't have to prove Santa is real. As a Santa denier, you have to prove he doesn't exist. Santa exists outside of time and space relative to the north pole. Happy holidays, Santa deniers!

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

Needs to be pinned..

Forget about the caller recalling what you said word for word. I'll bet he can't tell you what he said word for word.😂

@dangelo1369

5 күн бұрын

These defenders and apologists are not scholars or serious students of the Bible or history. They are at best, casual readers who take their preacher’s words as being true. So when they meet an atheist, who likely has seriously studied (which likely led to his atheism) the Bible and he asks serious questions that pose a threat to their beliefs, rather than question their belief, they’ll equivocate and obfuscate in order to preserve the belief. They are intellectually dishonest to the person they debate and to themselves.

I was a professor for many years teaching the same subjects. I used the same notes and graphics because the content hadn't changed. I can guarantee you that I never, ever, ever said the same thing each and every time even though I created the content, wrote it down, and gave it many times. The idea that any audience member could accurately capture the words of a speech given outdoors with hundreds of people moving around, making noises, and talking could ever capture the content 100% is absurd. It's wishful thinking. Even in modern times, we need court reporters with specialized short-hand machines to capture what's said. Arguing about whether the Bible captured ANY speech 100% accurately is just a fool's game.

@AntitheistHuman

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, any rational person would agree.

@MovieMakingMan

Ай бұрын

True. Since 99% of the people were illiterate then it adds to the chances the stories in the bible were inaccurate.

@DevastatorJr

Ай бұрын

That was exactly my thought, it's a very poor public speaker that doesn't mix it up a little, if only for their own enjoyment.

@gm2407

Ай бұрын

Yes, paraphrasing exists, but so does symantic interpretation. No way people will remember perfectly every time, even if you ask the person who said it.

@MovieMakingMan

Ай бұрын

@@gm2407 And you’d think that when over 99% of the people then were illiterate it would seem they would be less apt to remember since they didn’t know what words are. It seems you could write it would help your retention.

Why are there so many religions? Because there are so many fictional gods.

@philip2404

2 ай бұрын

divide and rule

@Obeijin

2 ай бұрын

And goddess ...

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

@@jamespowers5951 TS/DR

@latro8192

2 ай бұрын

All that blather already fails at your first unsubstantiated claim.

@EdithBromfeld

2 ай бұрын

Because religious people are open minded and question religious doctrines. Dimwits swallow atheism, trading the stallion for a worthless three-legged mule.

I vividly recall watching this episode live, and it was incredibly frustrating to see the caller waste a good 30 minutes of airtime and then run away after he dov3 head-first into his feelings. If you're going to call in and share your beliefs, you better be ready to back them up and face some tough questions. Don't waste everyone's time if you're not willing to engage in a real debate. This is a debate show, not a platform for one-sided rants.

@user-gl3mn4gf4l

2 ай бұрын

You're absolutely right!

@BaronVonQuiply

2 ай бұрын

I suspect a lot of these callers are used to no pushback because the other person either agrees or just doesn't care. So they can just spout off whatever they want and get a _"uh, huh. yea. crazy man."_ and take that as yet another foe vanquished. They they get on the air, make their case, the host asks what their evidence is.. and the caller is confused because they've never had anyone ask a question before.

@Kattlarv

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's VERY telling that he constantly lies, deflects and resumes regurgitating his apologetics. As, he *can't* defend his bullsheet. So, he just moves on to the next part. Or the "Do what you must!" toddler tantrum, throwing himself on the floor and bawling. And then finally: Running away crying. I've dealt with these people for 10+ years myself. And it's *so* frustrating, that they'll come back the next day with selective amnesia.*Insist* that they "won". But having *no* recollection of anything that was said. And just re-use the same stuff that was already debunked 40 years ago.

@donjuan123

2 ай бұрын

Maybe...just maybe..it is some sirious wrong with peoples minds!!!

@themanwithnoname1839

2 ай бұрын

Yea but thats what religious zealot cultists want, theyre almost no different than brown shirts in germany......

That kid got owned worse than the slaves in the bible

@ryanfloch6054

2 ай бұрын

He was an excellent caller, give him props. He is familiar with Bart. His argument that the transmission of religious stories is not analogous to the telephone game is a very logistical way to go, even if diving deeper requires whimsical assumptions. He is a way better rhetoritician than many professional debaters.

@FakingANerve

2 ай бұрын

​@@ryanfloch6054 What's the chance that you _aren't_ "Dean," or his family or friend?😂

@Rookz

2 ай бұрын

@@ryanfloch6054 that’s absolutely wrong. Did you even listen to the call? They explained very clearly how it’s absolutely analogous.

@ryanfloch6054

2 ай бұрын

@@Rookz I ain't denying that in the slightest. I'm comparing his rhetorical skills to that of professional apologists. His strategy and angle was the best he could find/

In 50ish years Star Wars has changed from “No, I am your father,” to “Luke, I am your father.” Star Trek gained “Beam me up, Scotty,” instead of, “one to beam up.” The original media still exists and the telephone mistakes still appeared. Now quote precisely a speech learned decades back. Some could, most can’t. Oral tales inherently change.

@classicsciencefictionhorro1665

2 ай бұрын

There are Gen Zers who believe Lawrence Welk was the first metal band.

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

In the Original Series episodes "The Gamesters of Triskelion" and "The Savage Curtain", Kirk said, "Scotty, beam us up"; while in the episode "This Side of Paradise", Kirk simply said, "Beam me up". In the episode "The Cloud Minders", Kirk says, "Mr. Scott, beam us up". The animated episodes "The Lorelei Signal" and "The Infinite Vulcan" used the phrasing "Beam us up, Scotty". The original film series has the wording "Scotty, beam me up" in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and "Beam them out of there, Scotty" in Star Trek Generations. The complete phrase was eventually said by William Shatner in the audio adaptation of his non-canon novel Star Trek: The Ashes of Eden.

@heiyuall

2 ай бұрын

@@tonyclements1147 Didn’t know. Thanks. My point still stands, but I’ll stop using this one.

@evangelicalsnever-lie9792

2 ай бұрын

​​@@tonyclements1147 a ChatGPT check gave you that 😂

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 No, wiki did actually..not sure what your point is, I never claimed that I knew it by heart.

Monty Python's 'blessed are the cheese makers' comes to mind.

Totally dishonest caller.

@urbangorilla33

2 ай бұрын

Well, they can't engage in honest dialogue because they are trying to defend the indefensible, and if they were to answer honestly, they would be led to a conclusion that they can't handle.

@nietzscheII-oz4zj

2 ай бұрын

To be a believing Christian you have to be a skilled liar. You are either lying to yourself or to everyone else. I'm still not sure which of these disgusts me more.

@nick281972

Ай бұрын

Typical evangelical

I really wish Shane was on more episodes then this one, he nailed this call

@jamespowers5951

2 ай бұрын

Don’t be a fool! These 2 hosts are fools (atheists) and their less-than-worthless, asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. No atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!! The fact remains that along w/ DYING/FINITE space/matter/energy, TIME had a cause. The logical conclusion (when we follow the evidence) is that such a cause is TIMELESS. And if you're TIMELESS, do you have a beginning or end? No. We call that cause "OUR INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL GOD," who by definition is TIMELESS, CHANGELESS, BEGINNINGLESS, SPACELESS, IMMATERIAL and ENORMOUSLY POWERFUL. These topics are the most important topics known; thus, EVERYONE should have a vast understanding of the facts that frame the truth of these topics and not be so content to gulp down the false propaganda of channels such as this one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jamespowers5951 Repeat after me: abiogenesis and evolution can explain existence of life and speciation as we know it. Evolution is one of the most proven scientific theory in the history, abiogenesis was proven as viable and totally possible origin of life on early Earth. We have REAL POSSIBLE WAY HOW LIFE EMERGED ON EARTH COMPLETELY NATURALLY.

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

@@jamespowers5951 “Don’t be a fool..” The F irony..

@wyldink1

2 ай бұрын

​@@tonyclements1147In his defense, he's not smart enough to recognize his own foolishness.

@Kattlarv

2 ай бұрын

@@wyldink1 But he *is* smart enough to run away bawling his eyes out, then deny it ever happened. ... Oh wait, that's not intelligent~

Message to trolls: Repeating something 1000 times doesn't prove anything.

@sideboob6851

2 ай бұрын

​@@lifeinthe80s Are you prepared to fulfill your obligation under 1Peter 3 :15?

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

So you are saying 1,001 times?

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Well, you only have 1,000 more times to repeat this in order for me to believe you.

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s "I’m an agnostic now" So you are telling us that you are not 100% convinced that a g0d exists?

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

Ritchie’s supposedly an agnostic because supporting his claim that the Bible is “historically proven” is apparently hard to do, I’ve been waiting four days to see the extra biblical evidence that zombies walked around Jerusalem.

Why are there so many religions? Because there's lots of people in different places making stuff up. That's actually completely it.

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

No. Satan has counterfeited God in as many ways as he could, since God kicked him out of heaven.

@bloodmoney88

2 ай бұрын

@@neverendingparty7741 prove it.

@user-uz4en6fd9v

2 ай бұрын

​@@neverendingparty7741So obviously Satan is smarter and can outwit your god. Please explain. It appears God would like to lose the battle for men's souls.

@neverendingparty1534

2 ай бұрын

@@user-uz4en6fd9v Most people go to hell, because that's the path of least resistance.

@kmurphy0620

2 ай бұрын

@@neverendingparty1534 God is an imaginary friend, and Satan an imaginary enemy. Please prove otherwise, and I'll become a Christian.

I've heard this telephone game argument a few times, and I think they misunderstand what the telephone game's point is. They think the point is that you want to mess up the communication when it's to show that communication NATURALLY gets messed up.

@snowflakemelter1172

2 ай бұрын

We did it in the army where life and death messages have to be passed on the battle field , after about 10 men the message is corrupted to hell, that's why we write messages down.

When Dean called your little speech "diatribe", you should've asked him to repeat it word for word. He would immediately fail and demonstrate how bad his argument is.

Did anyone expect Dean, a card-carrying cultist, to be swayed by logic and reasoning? The logical answer is "no".

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

"LOGIC & REASONING!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist f00l that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body. Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.

@wyldink1

2 ай бұрын

​@@neverendingparty7741Is that the same God who couldn't even give you a prophecy that would come true?

@chriscrilly8807

2 ай бұрын

These exchanges on AXP are not intended to change any caller's ideas. They are designed to permit you and me to watch the tennis match and learn from the errors committed.

Adult people complaining about “cussing” is just extremely sad.

@FakingANerve

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. Grow up and understand context, people. Sometimes, just sometimes... cussing can accentuate and reinforce the _motherfucking_ point that I'm making here.

@user-sx7wo1yl7y

2 ай бұрын

Yep. There is nothing in the Bible about "cuss" words. The closest it came was the commandment forbidding taking the Lord's name "in vain," whatever exactly that means. For instance, if I were to say, "I think God is goddam great"- is that "in vain," or is it a compliment? And what's wrong with asking God to damn something or someone? Again- that's an affirmation of God's greatness (if he can damn someone to hell, that's an affirmation that he's all powerful). As for, "fuck,"- show me anywhere in the Bible where that word is forbidden. In fact, it didn't even exist "back then." How does saying "fuck" take the Lord's name in vain? If I were to say, "Sexual intercourse you," is that having a "potty mouth?" Does it take God's name in vain, or in any way demean or insult God in any conceivable way? Besides- isn't sexual intercourse "Godly?" (How else are we supposed to be fruitful and multiply? Just plain nutty.

@MossyMozart

2 ай бұрын

@alamunez - I have to agree that swearing is is distracting. My Mama always said that people who swear do so because they have poor vocabularies. It seems so to me. I do not swear at all because of her lessons. I don't like it; I never will. It drives my friend, who swears a lot, CRAZY. Perk!

@FakingANerve

2 ай бұрын

@@user-sx7wo1yl7y so many questions; so many ways to answer. I like where you're going here.🍻👍

@AstronomyGuru84

2 ай бұрын

Agree 100%

The fact that the method used to convey such a supposedly important message is an old translated book at all, regardless of the specifics of it, is a problem when a deity could literally just impart the knowledge into everyone’s brains directly. There’s no reason for a book to be the main method in the first place.

@jamesparson

2 ай бұрын

I would expect a God to know the limitations of the written language

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

I’d expect a deity’s message to not be fractured into three Abrahamic religions by men deciding what was “holy” and what could be tossed in the bin.

@Kattlarv

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, not to mention: IF sky daddy is real. He CAN correct it. *Right now*. The basically *only* reason, would be IF he is an evil and immoral god, and he basically wants us to hunger games our way through this. With a "Yeah, it's ALL fake. I just wanted to see which people chose to do the right thing regardless of all the lies and pressure! ... and well: Truck those that were born in such a way they never got a choice! Gotta break billions of eggs, yanno!"

So dishonest he can't answer a single thing. I don't remember last week accurately, let alone 10 or 20 years ago and I'm 32. Humans do not have good memory.

"Blessed are the cheesemakers"

@deano2506

2 ай бұрын

"What's so special about the cheesemakers?"

@wolfyadder8902

2 ай бұрын

@@deano2506 'well obviously it isn't supposed to be taken literally. It refers to manufacturers of any dairy products' Heh. I just woke up and read your comment and completely did not realize you were also quoting. Typed out a 3 paragraph explanation of the joke and why it is relevant to the points about eye witnesses not being accurate followed by another paragraph about how explaining a joke ruins it. So glad I woke up properly before pressing send :-P

@deano2506

2 ай бұрын

😆😆

@kowoh

2 ай бұрын

For they clog thine nostrils 😂

@FakingANerve

2 ай бұрын

Ohhh, it's the _meek!_ "Blessed are the meek!" That's nice, 'cuz they've had a helluva time!

The game rules are: you can't go back and ask what was said. The reality rules are: most people won't bother to stop telling their story to find the person they have heard it from, to make sure they tell the story the exact same. It's just not practical

Dean, you probably weren't pulling your argument out of thin air ... you were pulling it out of your arse.

One thing that helped me deconstruct my faith and led to me being an atheist was realizing if I was born somewhere else, I would have thought that god or gods were real. It always makes me think of a lyric from the song Life is Funny "If I was born a different mind, a different time, a different view, would my behaviors be the same and do we even really choose? Am I the byproduct of my environment?"and it just always makes me think about why there are so many different religions

I think it's nice there are lots of religions because if you get bored with your particular version of a sky-fairy, there are loads of others to choose from.

@jaflenbond7854

2 ай бұрын

The Creator KNOWS that thousands of years ago, Jesus Christ was hated, dishonored, mocked, insulted, tortured, and murdered by arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons who were violently opposed and against his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" Who are the modern-day haters, mockers, and "murderers" of Jesus Christ? ANSWER - All the arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are unitedly mocking and degrading Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth. What is the Creator's favor and reward for believers of Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"? ANSWER - Jesus Christ KNOWS that lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who believe his teachings and honor him as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth will also be honored and rewarded in return by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful Earth without arrogant, cruel, hateful and merciless persons, without liars, slanderers, traitors, and murderers. The Creator KNOWS that the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "RESURRECTION of the DEAD" is his guarantee that loving, kind, and respectful persons who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on Earth forever as subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

Also, if the current religion tolerates people you don't like, shop around to find one that does. That way your god and you will have matching bigotry.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Blabla from insane mind.

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 👈👈👈 *ABSOLUTE PROOF* that the g0d described the bible cannot possibly exist.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Blabla from insane mind.

Like other religions Christianity can not prove gods exist.

Elvis died before I was born. I'm going to write my personal testimony about details of his private life including quoted words that no one was there to here. The bible taught me that none of that matters, I just have to wait another 20 years or so before I can start writing.

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

Don't forget to mention that thousands of people witnessed his resurrection. And unlike with Jesus, there are independent reports and 1st person accounts of their seeing Elvis after his death. There's even a city in the west where he's seen often.

@Gwaithmir

2 ай бұрын

@@quecee Any photos?

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

@@Gwaithmir As many as there were for Jesus. Maybe more.

@69eddieD

2 ай бұрын

I was alive in 1977 and I can tell you his death was a hoax. He faked it and has been living happily in Argentina all this time.

@BaronVonQuiply

2 ай бұрын

@@Gwaithmir I'm going to go the apologist route and use pictures of Elvis Costello. That I've also photoshopped for some reason.

What was not addressed is the possibility that authors may have attempted to influence the masses through stories being manipulated.

The fact is the guy is probably right that Jesus gave that sermon many times, and it was not likely that he said exactly the same thing each time.

@XJWill1

2 ай бұрын

Well, he would claim that Jesus did give the exact same sermon many times, because he was infallible. I think the better objection to his argument is that even if Jesus did give the exact same sermon many times, since there is no original text to settle disputes, people who heard the exact same sermon and did not remember it exactly right have no way to determine which of them has which part right or not. The caller seemed to think that they could go back to other people who heard it to find out what is correct, but again, there is no way to settle disputes even if you do try to talk to witnesses, since two people will say that some part was different, and who is right? The whole idea was just an exercise in absurd mental gymnastics for the caller.

@pdoylemi

2 ай бұрын

@@XJWill1 Good point.

@joecoolioness6399

27 күн бұрын

I would think the bible would have said he gave the speech many times instead of only once and calling it THE sermon on the mound. If, that is, it was inspired by some god. But we all know the bible is full of misinformation and contradictions which you would expect from something man made and not inspired by any god.

Blessed are the piece makers. You can't build anything without the pieces.

@brokenrecord3095

2 ай бұрын

It's true that pizzas are the favored nourishment of God. Except pizzas with pineapple on it. Obviously Satan has corrupted God's perfect recipe there.

“I don’t have a brain that’s going to make up excuses when the argument I’m presenting isn’t rational “ perfectly said !!😂😂

"I disagree that it is insufficient" - right after saying that humans could manipulate the kind of message that god chose! If people can CHANGE the message for their own purposes then that method is insufficient for ensuring that an accurate message is transmitted!

@bodricpriest8816

Ай бұрын

Only if you're prepared to listen and be honest. Sean is safe from that style of thinking.

The evidence that people got the message wrong with the oral tradition is THE BIBLE. We have four gospels that all differ from each other!!

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Blabla from insane mind.

Only if you deal honestly with reality will you discover truth.

@Jcs57

2 ай бұрын

If you are so ignorant that your own ignorance is never brought into question reality will always bend in direction of personal desire. Example: God is necessary because something cannot come from nothing! A being created from nothing originating from outside everything created the universe out of nothing from nonexistent matter created from nothing using nonexistent engineering principles acquired from nowhere and applied from outside space and time using nonexistent mechanisms invented from nothing. This is all documented by Iron Age goat herders that wrote it down. These writings were later gathered and voted on to collocate into a single book by a committee commissioned by an emperor. All of this is absolutely true because from writing to voting to commissioning it was all divinely inspired as attested to by Christian apologists asserting as such and being the pillars of honesty and integrity they cannot be called into question. Reality…..never met the guy bet he’s a loser!🙄

I like how they say the gospels being different is a blessing that they are different views but oral traditions was better back then.

A perfect example from my life. I was required to memorize Patrick Henry's famous "Liberty or Death" speech. I thought those were the words he actually said, until 10 years ago when I learned that there is no manuscript or transcript of that speech. What we read was cobbled together from the memories of some of the Burgesses there listening. I suspect that he actually did say, "give me liberty or give me death" because a phrase like that would tend to stick in the mind. But the rest is a mere approximation.

@BaronVonQuiply

2 ай бұрын

And additionally, that is precisely what a right wing human trafficker would say, both back then and today. So that part is reasonably likely, but not those precise words, maybe not even remotely close. That one line could have a 15 minute sidetrip. that got boiled down to a bumper sticker.

The guest caller is emotionally unstable 😂 "just drop me then. Do what you gotta do." You can hear him about to cry.

@MiscName

2 ай бұрын

I thought this caller was calm and patient; the host was getting emotional and swearing like a teenager. Caller believes in a fairy tale sure, but he communicates better than the host in this video.

@user-gl3mn4gf4l

2 ай бұрын

@@MiscName NO!

@Kattlarv

2 ай бұрын

@@MiscName He does not. He has constant toddler tantrums playing the victim and goes "YOUR MOM!". Refusing to listen or be held accountable. *Every. Single. Time.* He pulled "No, no. Let ME tell YOU what YOU said!" and tried to "correct" them on what their words means. Ie: "When I say the sky is blue. What I mean is: The sky is blue. - Nonono! What you ACTUALLY mean is: Fish are birds, which: Is very silly, and I disagree with. Now! This in turn means that god is perfect, which: You JUST admitted to. When I explained what your reply meant."

@FakingANerve

2 ай бұрын

​@@MiscNameThere were two hosts in this video, but why do you care about people using colorful language? Three adults were talking here, afterall... right?

@MiscName

Ай бұрын

@@FakingANerve mate I was replying to a comment saying the guest caller was emotionally unstable. My point of view is that the host who was doing the talking was the unstable one. I’m not offended by the swearing. It shows me how weak the person is being.

How many 12 year olds have perfectly memorized the Torah. Full BS flag thrown.

Dean is too dumb for this conversation. I think that's about 20 callers I've said that about now. *LOL*

To Dean. 'Blessed are the cheese makers.' 'it's not meant to be taken literally, it refers to any manufacturer of dairy products'

I want to know how the writers of Mathew and Luke knew what Jesus said when he was alone in the wilderness being tempted by the devil.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@lifeinthe80sdesperate pot head is desperate

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Repeat after me: Jesus is just a legend, myth. We have zero evidence about his existence outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.

@mirandahotspring4019

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s News I have is he died a couple of thousand years ago and hasn't been seen since!

@mirandahotspring4019

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Reading it made me an atheist!

@sideboob6851

2 ай бұрын

​@@mirandahotspring4019 Caution, Richard (Dick) is one of those people that knows everything about people that comment to him. He's apparently clairvoyant.

We know that mark 16:9-20 is not in the oldest bibles as well as the adulterer story. These stories was added centuries later and it had jesus speaking. We dont know what jesus actually said because he never wrote anything down.

@pinky9440

2 ай бұрын

And that is exactly why we can't trust what is written. How would someone know what was said years later after it was originally left out, and what justify it being added?

@defenestratefalsehoods

2 ай бұрын

@@pinky9440 Seeing how jesus never wrote anything down and what was written came 30-60 years later, it can't be trusted. there are conversations written when no one was around to hear what jesus said.

@pinky9440

2 ай бұрын

@@defenestratefalsehoods Isn't that exactly what I said?

@defenestratefalsehoods

2 ай бұрын

@@pinky9440 no

@pinky9440

2 ай бұрын

@defenestratefalsehoods Yes, it is. How would someone know what was said, years after it was originally written down? So the original comes years after it was supposedly said or done, and then even longer after that, that so-called original is updated with something new. So how would someone suddenly know of something new to add to the original text, years later, when most people involved in the original text was probably already dead?

gawd... he's trying to deny the telephone game, while he describes it another way, then says one is over another, your caller is searching for denial possibility... madness implied.

@ZhangK71

2 ай бұрын

Madness would be saying something like “I fully acknowledge my belief in god is faulty, but from that faultiness comes truth” or some other completely loony-bin statement like that. Intentional dishonesty and the specific defense mechanisms used to prop up a rational veneer are traits of someone who is decidedly not insane and doesn’t have that excuse.

@bloodmoney88

2 ай бұрын

@@ZhangK71 I generally agree, but there is an aspect of madness involved, especially in "the faithful". & yes they lie to keep their faith... whole heartedly, which is the FRAUD they purvey. & in truth there is no excuse as... we exist (rational, evidential argument against their delusions), & that "we" are easily accessible; unlike their catacombs of secreted knowledge that their leaders (the TRULY DECEPTIVE) learn from to control their ... flock of sheep. All religious leaders should be tried for FRAUD... if in the bible it says the flock must heed mans courts, then a ruling would needfully be heeded by the flock (Muslim or Christian, as Allah says the bible is true, fact of written words in the coran), so, it is up to man to rid ourselves rightly of religion, we can do it in our courts lawfully & with Gods approval. Will we is the question... of the state; it likes using religion to control the masses... might we start there with that FRAUD upon citizens? I understand your disposition I have the same, for example calling politicians idiots... gives them an out, when in fact they are unscrupulous thieves merely appearing as fools, to fool mainly the religious types, as they tend to believe what spouts from an alter. My top post did address this simply "madness implied", I'm glad for your extrapolation.

Here’s something no one, except perhaps Monty Python, addresses. There wasn’t a microphone and speakers. The sermon was in the open. Only a few could stand within earshot.

I remember watching this episode live while covid anxiety was in full swing. Completely weird seeing this now because it stands out in my memory so prominently.

This caller tried to argue that the Telephone Game analogy doesn’t apply here because people could correct their stories by asking the originator. The flaw in that argument is assuming the originator was always nearby to ask. As the stories spread linearly away from Jerusalem, to Greece, Egypt, Rome, the originators were many hundreds of miles away in an age with no phone/email. There was no way to correct the stories as they spread far away.

@joecoolioness6399

27 күн бұрын

Nobody wrote about jesus until 30 odd years after he was supposedly crucified. Nobody. The reason I believe, is because had they written things about him while he was alive, people would go looking and discover that even if he were a real person, that he could not perform miracles and xianity would have never gotten started. They literally had to write it after most people who might have been around at the time jesus supposedly lived were dead.

Even if Jesus gave the sermon multiple times, what are the chances he said it the same every time?

@joecoolioness6399

27 күн бұрын

And that still doesn't get you past the fact that what he said was recorded by men. Who can and do get things wrong all the time.

Dean’s rationalization of the message delivered in the Bible is a perfect example of how the message can change when you have an agenda. From day 1, everything about Christianity is an agenda.

With respect to the telephone game, I have a hard time remembering what I had for breakfast two days ago, but I can remember being mugged in elementary school. I even remember the guys name, the road it happened on, and probably could guess the spot on the sidewalk within a few houses. You have to take into account the emotional significance of the event in question.

The telephone game is simple and perfect in this case. One simple message, pass it on, see how it changes in wording and context, a simple thing school kids can understand, but not the caller...

Yes, there are so many religions, but MINE is the TRUE religion.

Isn't it interesting that Neppy spends years telling us his version of his past, but after getting called out for his lies about his past - and present - he suddenly now says the past doesn't matter... I wonder why he's saying that.. lol

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

And that is after trying to keep pushing his lies... despite the evidence to the contrary.

@neverendingparty1534

2 ай бұрын

Isn't it a badge of your abject defeat to attack the MESSENGER for his MESSAGE that totally annihilates every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult? You had no PUSH BACK against his IRREFUTABLE FACTS that broke the spine and killed your stupidity (atheism), so now you hate him and want revenge? It won't do. You need to be a better loser.

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

NEPs just looking for attention..we’re the only ones that have been humoring him.

@jonclark8252

2 ай бұрын

​@tonyclements1147 "Nep is looking for attention..." Not only does he desperately need our attention, but that mixed with the fact that he thinks our telling the truth about him is attacking him... lol, who pathetic is that lol

@neverendingparty1534

2 ай бұрын

@@tonyclements1147 IF you're actually going to base your Godless faith on a Godless world, because THEN, you have to believe that a BIG BANG happened without a cause/source of time/space/matter/energy, because the BIG BANG produced time/space/matter/energy, which is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE, but atheists have no problem with IMPOSSIBILITY, as I'll further prove: So something besides time/space/matter/energy produced time/space/matter/energy at the BIG BANG and a rock came from that BIG BANG and got cooled off by rain to produce a MINDLESS, NON-PURPOSEFUL SOUP that produced a FIRST CELL. Now I don't know of any mud puddle in earth's history producing LIFE or a living FIRST CELL, but this is what you toons believe; A ROCK DID IT! LOL So this FIRST CELL, of course, had within it the systems to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce. It also had the DNA blueprints for 9 million DIFFERENT animals, the human being and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants, because a NEVER OBSERVED MINDLES PROCESS CALLED "EVOLUTION" DIVERSIFIED the content of this FIRST CELL into the animals, plants & humans we observe today. Of course that FIRST CELL had to find a girlfriend, date, marry and have kids, but it got the mud puddles permission :)

I love this channel. The dialogue always entertains me in the mornings. Great work guys.

Javed Ahktar had a great point, ‘Whatever the spiritualist is saying, he is using his brain, he just doesn’t want you to use yours.’ Surely the phone caller can feel he is struggling to get the square peg in the round hole. If he is inspired by a god, why does he struggle to make a point?! Dean should be asked which version of Ressurection is correct from the great perfect oral tradition codified by Mark, Luke, Peter and Paul.

Inspired by god, interpreted by humans. And this is the best the creator of the universe could do? The single most important document written, if true, and I have to know how to read it "properly"?

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

No. The KJB 4 gospels reads pretty well. And there are many versions of the Bible. Just do the research to know and STOP w/ the excuses.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@neverendingparty7741 Repeat after me: Bible was written by iron age totally ignorant superstitious illiterate goad herders who didn't know where Sun goes at night. Bible is just book of fairy tales and stories and represent only THINKING of their authors. Bible is evidence only for existence of bible, nothing more.

@chrissonofpear1384

2 ай бұрын

Yes, and stop with the excuses He can care equally well about Joshua 7:24, and the situation in Gaza - too...? Or with similar urgency, and priority.

@jiubboatman9352

2 ай бұрын

@@neverendingparty7741 If you bought some flat pack furniture and and before you could use the instructions you had to be instructed in how to read them properly. Other than basic reading skills. You would ask for a refund. Yet the is the instruction book for life and access to eternal life, "some extra research is required"? Seriously, how dumb is a god that would rely on such a system to communicate its will? I should be at least able to run it through something like Google translate in a few languages convert it back into my English and have it be pretty much the same. Univiersity courses should not be there to discuss wether Almah means young woman or virgin. People should not be arguing over slavery and indentured servitude. God should not create shrimp and then instruct people not to eat them.

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

@@jiubboatman9352 Yes. I imagine you've lived long enough to know that value has a cost. There's no short cut to greatness. There is no free lunch. You want to go to heaven? Then it will cost you. GET OFF YOUR COUCH, PUT DOWN YOUR BEER and do some research. My advice: DO SOME SPIRITUAL RESEARCH! Michael Jordan needed a coach and so does everyone else. A coach for life. Find someone you respect that’s successful in life and love for G0D. Try to understand Jesus in reading the first 4 Gospels of the New Testament portraying the person of Jesus. Maybe attend a few “full gospel” pentecostal church services in a church known to be “ALIVE” with the spirit of G0D - where the gifts of the spirit abound. Pray during this time every day for G0D to reveal Jesus to you. Do it all w/ an humble seeking heart. But let this “mentor” guide you in things “lasting.” Keep open to the things of G0D. If you embrace it, drop the Atheists/evolutionists “no hope,” no purpose, meaningless and dead end philosophy and start living today! G0D Bless. There is no proof of God for those that have a God bias. Jesus could appear at the foot of your bed tonight and you'll wake up the next day and tell yourself that it was a Vegas act or some bad pizza. You have to sincerely seek God to come to know & understand God and his ways. You can't sit on the couch with your beer and demand that God appear to you in your living room. It just doesn't happen that way. Let's face the facts, shall we? You're just another lost & clueless fool that thinks humanity came from star dust or something else equally ridiculous. But you have a 2nd chance. We already read the last page and it says "God wins." I don't know about you, but I'm going to fight and be an overcomer of Satan, the world and with God's help, the flesh. I'm not just going to barely cross the finish line; I'm going to cross the finish line doing warp 13 w/ my hair on fire. NOTHING is going to stop me from going to heaven. STOP wallowing in your lost & cluelessness. Get w/ the program. START TODAY NEW!! I would say that you fail to understand exactly who God is. He wants to be sought after. Why? Because he's worthy of our pursuit. His awesome greatness is beyond your comprehension. You're breathing air that doesn't belong to you. Taking up space that doesn't belong to you. Given a life that doesn't belong to you. He brought you from nothing and you're nothing, YET you feel totally justified to raise your tiny stupid fist at him. THAT is what you are; never mind him. That said, Jesus loves you dearly & has shown you this love by bringing you from non-existence & giving you “the gift of life.” And did you say “thank you?” No. He also removed your doom via the sin of Adam by the suffering on the cross for you. And did you say “thank you?” No. He’s also “prepared a place for you in Heaven” if you’ll only return his love that’s already given you. And did you say “thank you?” No. Again, it’s the “love” of Jesus for people is what attracts them to Christianity. Your move, Chief.

Honestly, this isn't hard. It cannot be "sufficient" when it fails at the task. If you build a rocket with the intention of going into space and the rocket fails to get into space then you cannot say that it was "sufficient". it is insufficient, by definition of the fact that it was not sufficient to complete the task. If you're hungry and you eat a meal, and you still feel hungry afterwards, the meal was not sufficient. That's what "sufficient" means - scrapes its arse over the bar. But it must clear the bar. A "good enough" answer. But if you fail at the task in hand, then it's a "not good enough" answer, because it didn't actually work. Also, we weakened from "perfect" to "sufficient". If we keep on going, then "probable" was sneaking into the conversation with Jesus repeating speeches multiple times. The argument is weakening in front of our very eyes here. It's accurate. No, it's sufficient. No, it's probable. No, it's possible. No, it's not likely. No, it never happened. In a sense, I'm tempted to say "keep talking". At this rate, we're only about 20 minutes away from a confession that atheism is right and a live conversion on AXP.

As a lawyer turned journalist, I take really, really good notes. I do NOT take dictation and I do NOT really only on my memory, which is pretty good but not nearly as good as contemporaneous notes. But as Don McClellan says, apologists only need to find loopholes that can’t be disproven to argue that their rationalizations aren’t impossible.

People like telling stories and watching the reactions of the listeners, everyone likes their story to be entertaining, exciting or shocking and even people you would trust and would call honest tend to embellish in order to make the story a good listen.

Could be wrong here but I believe that Jesus Sermon on the Mount wasn’t a single speech but was the Sermon of the Mount tour which he took on the road and had numerous gigs. I believe he extended this to Europe and the US. Therefore obviously it means it is all true. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@hitman5782

2 ай бұрын

Yeah sure it is all true, especially the part where 5000 morons go into the desert without water and food so that Jesus can use his superpower of transforming 5 bred into 5000 breds.

Dean is one of the most dishonest callers on ACA shows, I have heard him multiple times on TH and AXP and everytime he is dishonest, especially (if you wanna have a good time look up) the time he talked to Noah Lugeons on TH, Noah rips him a new asshole

@SundaeExpress

2 ай бұрын

Found it - the video title is 'Noah Lugeons has Gone Super Saiyan! | Dean - North Carolina | Talk Heathen 03.02' :)

@SundaeExpress

2 ай бұрын

The fun starts at 20:09 🍿

@kowoh

2 ай бұрын

Ya he won’t even admit the gospels are anonymous even know he has been exposed to that information and knows it’s the majority position of scholars. ( from another dean call ) The early manuscripts had no signature, the names associated just got added on to later copies. The later copies also got longer because revisions were done.

I've got to hand it to these guys. My patience would have been depleted long before the end of this program. The faithful are absolutely exhausting in their inability and/or unwillingness to respond to simple questions,

Ah, Monty Python, Sermon on the Mount: J- the meek shall inherit the a earth Meanwhile at the bottom of the hill we hear, why should the Greek get to inherit the Earth?!?!

Probably for the same reason there are so many different variations in motor vehicles. Everyone has their own niche requirements and preferences. And a good Monday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 👍🤠✌️

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

Top of the morn to you cobber.

@smochygrice465

2 ай бұрын

​@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 You to cobber. Though I'm not a fan of daylight savings, bout time we done away with it. How's the weather your end? Been a drizzling weekend here.

@smochygrice465

2 ай бұрын

​@@lifeinthe80sNice, but what about God? We Aussies only scruff with the big boys. Peace 🤠

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

@@smochygrice465 Not having daylight savings is one of the few + of living in QLD. The rain is doing the same on GC and of course the fireys are getting run off their feet.

@smochygrice465

2 ай бұрын

​​@@lifeinthe80sA few times back in my hay day, when I had long blonde hair 😊 Now its gray, receded and shaved 😢

I'd say a more accurate example would be: Teach ~5 students the lesson. Then blame the OTHER students if the first 5 students either doesn't teach sufficiently, or at all. Because "They had free will." Like, sure: Maybe the 5 students never handed out the assignment. But you can't blame the teacher for that! The students all had free will! And sure, one of the students decided to give out fake assignments as a "prank". And the teacher told all students that they MUST trust these 5 other students but like... they *should* have interpreted the work better.

this guys needs a gold medal in gymnastics

Dean's a perfect example of willfully ignoring the question asked. And it's telling to his belief system that he feels he has to pretend to be a moron rather than answer honestly.

So it's god's message for humanity, and he's the one that chose a very inefficient and unreliable way of getting that message out, but it's the fault of humans for not properly understanding the message, even though God should've done a better job making it clear to everyone?

I feel sorry for super rational nice humans that are stuck in religion's grip. I often comment that religion has become the biggest procrastination on the human project. This is one of several examples. Imagine what Dean could accomplish in this world if he wasn't stuck on the "need to prove" the validity of such a God. Ugh.

@louseveryann2181

2 ай бұрын

​@@jaflenbond7854 ⬅️ ignore this one

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Blabla from insane mind.

Dean "Gotcha!" from North Carolina had me rolling😂😂😂

That teacher & four students bit at the end: *chef's kiss*

12:05 It just occurred to me, even if Jesus did give the same speech a number of times, how many in the audience would be individuals who heard that speech at some time before? Even if they did hear it before is it possible for them to recall the exact words Jesus used? There are plenty of speeches that I heard a few times. The JFK going to the moon speech. I can recall just a few things about it, the main one is we are not doing it because it's ease, we are doing it because it is hard. Are those words accurate to what JFK said? How about the speech in Animal House by Bluto? How many times have people heard it, and what do they recall about it?

There were apostles who clashed on understanding what Jesus wanted, especially Peter and Paul who disagreed on the laws of circumcision. Most of the apostles were still teaching that circumcision was necessary, even for the gentiles. There was also a disagreement as to whether the word of Jesus was to be taken to the gentiles first. Those are just some of the different messages that Jesus’ chosen 12 couldn’t come to an agreement on. If the 12 chosen, who traveled with him for three years, couldn’t all be teaching the same thing, then how much more accurate teachings would other converts be? The church got off to a really bad start, especially when you had one apostle, who happens to be the one we have the most literature from, didn’t even know Jesus personally, nor traveled with him. Paul wasn’t present for the sermon on the mount, even if that was a stump speech Jesus gave many times?

I'm a teacher and I can tell a true story about something that happened at a school I worked at. The actual facts are the following - three students were out walking at lunchtime in an area frequented by dog walkers and saw a man there walking his dog. By the time they got back to school the story was that there pedophiles near the school. By the end of the school day, about 3 hours later, there was a rumor going round the school that students had been abducted by pedophiles. The head teacher was in school till 9 o'clock that night answering phone calls from distraught parents reassuring them that nobody had been abducted and that all that happened was a man was seen near the school walking his dog.

@GayorgVonTrapp

2 ай бұрын

Yep. That’s how it works. That’s exactly the same phenomenon.

Looking in from, South Yorkshire, England GB , We referred to, what you call the telephone game as, Chinese whispers. Also, Religion, in all its forms, came about, for one reason, and one reason only. "To Control the People". IMHO The 1st form of Fascism. The old saying in Christianity, sums up the only aim of Religion, perfectly. "Getting everyone singing from the same hymn sheet"

What an embarrassing caller, reaching the wrong conclusions and being desperately smug about it too. I'm sure there's some merit to the idea that people contemporary to the story of Jesus would've been much more used to passing on information via an oral tradition, and you could even argue they'd be better listeners or slightly better at retaining that information than modern people - we have a _lot_ more information at our fingertips than they would've done, less competing/distracting sources of information, etc. But even if we accept the feasibility of that, it doesn't mean the people who wrote the bible were accurately repeating verbatim everything Jesus or any other bibilical character might've said. They didn't have magical memory powers! At best they'd have a tradition of orally repeating bygone sermons as accurately as they could've done - which still would've led to misremembered details and distortions over time, and I'm being very generous with this interpretation.

My brother and i were on the exact same cruise at the exact same time, and both alive. There was an incident that we both agree happened. If you ask him the version of events and ask me you will gwt contradictory stories. These are stories from 2 people that were verifiably there and you get different stories. How the f can you think that people who weren't there can get thebstory straight

@Andrew-Comi

Ай бұрын

Now I want to know what the incident was....

@nathanmckenzie904

Ай бұрын

@Andrew-Comi my brother in law got in a fight and my brother ran to save his butt.

*The Bible : **_Faith in the claims that men make, about God & Jesus_** ;* It's amazing that Christians can't see, the huge bias they have, for their preferred beliefs. Christians would never give the same _benefit of the doubt,_ for similar hearsay claims, from other religions.

I'm 40min in and it's killing me that they've not thought to mention that not only would people have to remember verbatim.... they'd have to wait 40 years to write it down lol (and this very idea is ABSURD)

@pinky9440

2 ай бұрын

I can't remember what I did a week ago! Imagine writing it down 40 years later and believe it is accurate.....

DEAN, no one is supposed to intentionally F up the telephone game, are you one of those idiot kids that got the message wrong on purpose????

The answer should be obvious, because man makes gods up. If you research the history of religious belief you'll find that it has evolved.....thousands of the gods that are currently worshiped had thousands that preceded them which all had to be false, you'd have to believe after all those false ones that a real one just happens to show up? lol

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

​@@jaflenbond7854 How can a creator know if it is just a story? All evidence at hand says that humans made it up. No evidence that the made up story is true.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Blabla from insane mind.

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 👈👈👈 *ABSOLUTE PROOF* that the g0d described the bible cannot possibly exist.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Blabla from insane mind.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 Repeat after me: there is no such thing as creator. Only totally brainwashed cult memebr can babble about such nonsense. Repeat after me: there is no such thing as god in reality. Clear evidence shows us that every isolated society created their own version of gods, their own verion of LOCAL FLOOD, their own version of Earth and universe. There are no mutually isolated two places in the world where people have the same gods, that clearly proves that EVERY IDEA OF EVERY GOD IS MAN MADE.

I’ve watched this show for many years and I still find it so weird that people’s rational thinking skills seemingly disappear immediately when the topic is their religious beliefs. How is that even possible?

If oral tradition is so accurate, why are there so many variations of all the old fairy tales.

@jamespowers5951

2 ай бұрын

"FAIRY TALES!" Screams the atheist fool that believes the human being came from a rock, that morality came from a mud puddle, that life can come from a warm pond. Son, we have billions of mud puddles, rocks & warm ponds. NONE OF THEM has ever produced anything NEW. You're atheist desperation is noted. SORRY KID, but it’s blatant stupidity (atheism) to think that star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. You have a ton to learn. Thank God I'm here to teach you the facts, because you're totally lost & clueless.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jamespowers5951 Repeat after me: there is no such thing as god in reality. Clear evidence shows us that every isolated society created their own version of gods, their own verion of LOCAL FLOOD, their own version of Earth and universe. There are no mutually isolated two places in the world where people have the same gods, that clearly proves that EVERY IDEA OF EVERY GOD IS MAN MADE.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jamespowers5951 Repeat after me: abiogenesis and evolution can explain existence of life and speciation as we know it. Evolution is one of the most proven scientific theory in the history, abiogenesis was proven as viable and totally possible origin of life on early Earth. We have REAL POSSIBLE WAY HOW LIFE EMERGED ON EARTH COMPLETELY NATURALLY.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Repeat after me: Jesus is just a legend, myth. We have zero evidence about his existence outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.

@sideboob6851

2 ай бұрын

​@@lifeinthe80s *you're = you are. We've been over this, Dick.

This kid needs to watch Life of Brian, it very accurately describes the problems here. "Blessed are the cheesemakers"

Another thing. Even if Jesus did give the Sermon on the Mount multiple times... what's the odds that Jesus himself gave the exact same word-for-word sermon each time? When people give the same speech multiple times - even from a written script - there still creeps in variations. Tell me the story of King Midas. Then let's reconvene here a week later, and tell me that same story again. Indeed, with the best speech givers, it's actually guaranteed that it'll vary. Because, to give good speeches, you do not read from a script but always ad-lib, in the moment, as if saying it for the very first time. It gives your speech conversational tone and better delivery - and you react to your audience. If the audience laughs one time, but not another. If they gasp here, but another crowd doesn't. The best speech givers react to that. Comedians leave gaps in which people can laugh - and then they time when to continue, as exactly when the peak has crested. Comic - and dramatic - timing has to be felt in the moment. Even if it were given multiple times, was the speech identically the exact same word-for-word every single time? In fact, bringing up the speech being repeated multiple times introduces another concept - if the speech was not word-for-word identical every time that Jesus spoke it, then what do we even mean by suggesting that it was perfectly recorded word-for-word? Which time? Which version? What would "word for word" even possibly mean, if the speech actually varied every time he gave it? I don't know that this is doing the argument any favours. It's really making it much worse. If the speech was not 100% identical every time it was given, then what does the very word "accurate" even mean? Accurate to what? Which one?

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

The Bible is all fact and I can prove it. 66 books are in the Bible that are written by God who used mankind to pen it. We know God wrote it, due to the 2500 prophecies Jesus fulfilled and the 500 left for him to fulfill during the rest of this church age and the 1,000 yr Reign. ALSO by the content of the Bible, which no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know, such as effect of a nuke on the human body, the 2nd law, the fact that God created time/space/matter/energy, that circumcision is done on the 8th day, just like doctors do today. The earth is round and the fact that the Universe is expanding: ”He alone STRETCHES OUT the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:8.

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

Wrong answer again NEP. The Ethiopian Bible, which is perhaps the oldest Christian Bible, includes somewhere between 81 to 84 books, depending on different factors. The Roman Catholic Bible has 73 books, and the Greek Orthodox Bible-without an official number-is somewhat larger, with somewhere between 75 and 79 books. The Syriac Bible also has quite a wide range of different books. Some “expert theologian” you are.

@wyldink1

2 ай бұрын

Given Powers' propensity for lying incessantly, I would take everything he says as the opposite is true.

"He gave these speeches many times, and people remembered them and preserved them through oral tradition." Ok, so why did the later gospels have more fleshed out stories than the earlier ones? That sure sounds a lot like a story growing over time after multiple retellings. You know, the telephone game.

I'm willing to believe that Homer's stories, in rhyming Ancient Greek, held onto the same story better than we do. I can even remember difficult lines from Shakespeare quite well because they are in blank verse. But the Roman occupation, after the Jewish rebellion that induced them to ravage the Temple, are reported to have destroyed any Jewish writing about anybody claiming to be the Messiah.

Why is God such a Deadbeat Dad?

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Jaffles doesn’t know.

@louseveryann2181

2 ай бұрын

​@@jaflenbond7854 sad child

@louseveryann2181

2 ай бұрын

​@@jaflenbond7854 When will you learn that spamming the same irrational fairy tale over and over again, doesn't make it real?

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

He just stepped out for cigarettes! He'll be back any century now!

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

​@@jaflenbond7854 "you are free to dishonor the creator..." Well, you said it. 😂

Jesus was married if he was a Rabbi. If the caller is calling him a Rabbi,, it was illegal for Jesus to NOT be married. Jesus was married, if you consider the New Testament doesn't mention the subject, it actually goes out of its way to avoid the subject of Jesus being married. If Jesus was a rabbinical teacher at all, he was required upon being put to death way earlier in his life ... to have been married. You can't teach the flock how to live unless you have learned what it is to be married. If he existed, he was married and sired children to boot. There is a bloodline from Jesus if he existed. Oh, and by the way: JESUS is NOT a NAME!!! it is a title and a title only during those times which was claimed by thousands. Jesus was never a name,, and as a title required to be married. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love

@eleanorgeorge7069

2 ай бұрын

Put down the beer, kid. Jesus wasn't married.

@BrianFedirko

2 ай бұрын

@@eleanorgeorge7069 there are books on it.. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love

The last few sentences are pretty much the plot of "Die Welle" [the wave]. A teacher at a school trying to teach his students about fascism that spirals out of control until people get seriously hurt and one student kills itself. Loosely based on the "third wave" experiment of the teacher Ron Jones in California in the 1970s. Great film, would recommend.

my fav show so far!

For one purpose. To make money.

Hey Dean. Why is it that your God doesn't just drop in and clarify all of this confusion? We are living in the "Age of Information", are we not? What better time to reveal yourself to all of us heathens?

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

There is no proof of God for those that have a God bias. Jesus could appear at the foot of your bed tonight and you'll wake up the next day and tell yourself that it was a Vegas act or some bad pizza. You have to sincerely seek God to come to know & understand God and his ways. You can't sit on the couch with your beer and demand that God appear to you in your living room. It just doesn't happen that way. Let's face the facts, shall we? You're just another lost & clueless fool that thinks humanity came from star dust or something else equally ridiculous. But you have a 2nd chance. We already read the last page and it says "God wins." I don't know about you, but I'm going to fight and be an overcomer of Satan, the world and with God's help, the flesh. I'm not just going to barely cross the finish line; I'm going to cross the finish line doing warp 13 w/ my hair on fire. NOTHING is going to stop me from going to heaven. STOP wallowing in your lost & cluelessness. Get w/ the program. START TODAY NEW!! I would say that you fail to understand exactly who God is. He wants to be sought after. Why? Because he's worthy of our pursuit. His awesome greatness is beyond your comprehension. You're breathing air that doesn't belong to you. Taking up space that doesn't belong to you. Given a life that doesn't belong to you. He brought you from nothing and you're nothing, YET you feel totally justified to raise your tiny stupid fist at him. THAT is what you are; never mind him. That said, Jesus loves you dearly & has shown you this love by bringing you from non-existence & giving you “the gift of life.” And did you say “thank you?” No. He also removed your doom via the sin of Adam by the suffering on the cross for you. And did you say “thank you?” No. He’s also “prepared a place for you in Heaven” if you’ll only return his love that’s already given you. And did you say “thank you?” No. Again, it’s the “love” of Jesus for people is what attracts them to Christianity. Your move, Chief.

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

@@neverendingparty7741 👈👈👈 *ABSOLUTE PROOF* that the g0d described the bible cannot possibly exist.

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

NEP is just pathetic at this point.

@wyldink1

2 ай бұрын

​@@tonyclements1147He comes across as desperate and flailing. It's super cringe at this point.

Telephone Game = Maybe 3 sentences within 5 mins ... gets changed. Gospels = Hundreds of sentences within 50 years ... !!!

I am a Machine Learning engineer, although I don't work on LLMs. The tools I build are meant to solve more specific problems. Improving patient outcomes, predicting potential manufacturing problems, reducing workplace accidents in factories. Boring things like that. However, I am aware of how these LLMs work, and built one myself for fun. I think you're 100% right to worry about what this technology will do to creative jobs (including engineering btw), and what it means for intellectual property rights. But I also worry what this technology will do to human discourse. LLMs cannot produce original thoughts. It can only parrot (please no stochastic parrot jokes) ideas which have already been set to writing. LLMs can give you the next James Patterson novel, but it can't push human creativity forward in any meaningful way. For that, we will still need humans like you. Love your channel btw, even if I'm a Gen X and don't always get your cartoon references (I'm a Hanna-Barbera kid)

There is just no logical reason for God to stay hidden and require faith , the world would be the heaven that is promised if he only appeared and left no doubt , the reason people are sinning is thzt they dont really beleive a God is watching , God could enc that right now, tne whole convoluted God story is dependent on his absence because he doesn't exist.

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

Says who? You! LOL. You're not worthy of his presence. Here's a testimony to give you some perspective: "Something strange happened on the 25th of April 2019 at about 6:45 AM, I was leading prayer in the Mosque and a Light appeared inside the mosque, this light is brighter than the sun, but I didn't feel heat, I felt cold and peace at the appearance of this great light. A man spoke to me from the light in Arabic language to come out from Islam, I asked him, who are you? he said, I am the way, the Truth and the Life. I said, no, you are not the way, Prophet Muhammad is the way, he said I should listen to him because time has come, and he wants to use me to deliver my Muslim brothers from the Darkness of Islam to the Light of the gospel. I said if truly you are Jesus, I want to see you, he said I am not worthy or qualified to see him, not to even talk of hearing his voice. I said, but I am righteous, I fast every Monday and Thursdays, I don't fornicate, I give 15 Thousands Naira to the poor and orphanage every month from my salary. He said I am zealous but not according to knowledge. Then I asked him to tell me the things I do tell allah while praying, because the Quran say's, only allah knows the thought of every man. To my greatest surprise Jesus told me all the things I have been telling allah for the past ten years. Then I said, what do you want me to do now? he said, except a man be born again he can't see the kingdom of God. I asked him how I can be born again. He directed me to a church, he said I should go there and tell them I want to be born again. I went there and met a pastor and he led me to Christ, I left the church and returned back home. Besides, when Jesus disappeared I asked those around me if they saw the Light or heard his voice, they said they saw the Light but they didn’t hear his voice. You can go to Daura central mosque and confirm this testimony, my father is a very popular Imam."

@scarletaura9856

2 ай бұрын

​@@neverendingparty7741I'll tell you a secret... NO ONE CARES!

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

@@scarletaura9856 Ah! You speak for "NO ONE." That's good to know LOL

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

I think you are missing the VERY obvious reason that he stays hidden, so to speak. And that is that god doesn't exist. That gives clear logical reason for why there are no supernatural interventions in our reality. And all we have are people's stories.

@wyldink1

2 ай бұрын

I wonder how many Girl Scouts Liar Powers has locked in his basement.

"BUT MY ANCIENT PEOPLE WERE SPESHUL!"

There is only 1 science and 1 atheism because its consistent.

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

Science? Science points DIRECTLY to God. GOD DID IT. The proven lies of atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) have NOTHING to do with “science” whatsoever, as NONE of the lies of atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) can be tested, measured or observed (scientific method). All of the lies of atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) go hand-in-hand for the atheist DELUSIONAL explanation of existence. You can’t have 1 atheist lie without the other 2 atheist lies. NONE of which have YOU PERSONALLY EVER SEEN. So you can STOP w/ the “certainty” attitude. ALL your atheist ideas are easily debunked, as I have proved and will continue to prove ad nauseam. We know we are created by a brilliant divine G0D, because his attributes ALONE are the only possible cause/source of what exists - the only DIVINE INTELLIGENCE period -the only possible source to create and design the INTELLIGENT ARRANGEMENT of the co-dependent structures that are found in bodily systems, such as the human digestive system. The digestive system is clearly a high-complexity/high function design to produce a clear purposeful processed outcome. The digestive system (lips, teeth, taste buds, saliva ducts, tongue, epiglottis, throat, stomach, stomach acids, small/large intestine, anus) certainly can't come from MINDLESS NOTHING or a mud puddle. NOTHING in this decaying/dying universe (nature: time/space/matter/energy) is the creator, because all of it is dying and thus, requires an INFINITE SUPERNATURAL CAUSE (GOD) to bring it into existence. Try to learn. GOD DID IT. Simple.

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

Theists who claim that science supports their belief, for some reason, don't have ANY scientific citation that says anything about God. Well, there is a known reason, which is that science doesn't prove or disprove God, but theists ARE science-illiterate AND dishonest and willing to make up any lies. See if any of them give you a citation.

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

@@quecee He's got the Argument from Ignorance, but he gets upset when we point that out.

@neverendingparty7741

2 ай бұрын

@@quecee Wrong again. The "ignorance" is yours, as I always prove. Science proves G0D and disproves atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution). The origin of life is about as good as it gets for the scientific proof of G0D. Science dictates that you can’t get a commodity from something that does not have that commodity to give AND the means to give it. Thus, science proves that EVERYTHING can only come from a source of EVERYTHING. Life, intelligence, consciousness and morality can only come from the one that has it to give in the first place AND THE MEANS TO GIVE IT - our living, intelligent, loving, conscious, moral G0D. It’s not even a conversation. As an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in symmetry and order in the human body. Am I being fairly clear. Watch as these defeated atheists have NO PUSH BACK WHATSOEVER. And if they mention the typical miniscule puny garbage, I'll just slaughter them again. I clearly own all atheists that come here.

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

@@Beacon80 And the level of ignorance that he demonstrates everyday with his inane views of what evolution is and what abiogenesis is, it's amazing. And the key is that he's COMPLETELY ignorant of what he's ignorant of. He literally thinks that he understand evolution and that he debunked it FIFTY years ago. Suuurrrre, Jan. And that's why there's been a continual stream of research published on evolution. There are many journals specifically for evolution. So whatever he thinks he did fifty years ago, had NO impact whatsoever. But he keeps bragging about it.🤷‍♂🤷‍♂