Everyone: All cameras are the same! Fuji Autofocus: 🤪

@testxxxx123

6 күн бұрын

Fuji: bet

@pedropereira5043

Күн бұрын

Fuji likes to be the weird kid. I switched to Panasonic because of the AF, my XT3 was so bad!

I think you have a huge point with plateauing in the camera world. We are at a point right now that I could pick up a Sony, Canon or Nikon and get the exact same images and not a single human being could tell the difference or care. For example, I was watching a KZread review of the Nikon Z8 and they said "Here is a sample of the beautiful pictures I was able to capture with the Z8" and they were just of cars at a car show or something. The pictures were nice, but there was absolutely nothing about the images that couldn't have been captured with any other camera and didn't exactly inspire me to go out and buy a Z8. I could have taken my R6 Mark II and gotten the same exact images. What has happened is that people are taking their brands waaaay too seriously now, like they are on sports teams. At the end of the day, no one gives a flying crap if you have a Z6III, an R5 Mark II or an A1. They are all extremly capable, it's just a matter of what ecosystem you want to be in. Everything else is just flexing.

@Edwin--

7 күн бұрын

While I agree with you, I think there is still a marginal step that can be made. I also shoot Fuji GFX100s next to fullframe, and the 16 bit colour out of that sensor is still a step above my Sony A7iv. Not necessarily in the way the imagines look, but the latitude for editing, lifting shadows and tweaking individual colours without the imagine falling apart is certainly at a higher level. I think this will be in the similar in the next generation of full-frame sensors. Whether you really need it? For most it will be a 'nice to have', and some will only use their out of camera Jpegs without ever touching the raw-files.

@camcamwatt

7 күн бұрын

Then Arri enters the chat 😊

@Edwin--

7 күн бұрын

@@camcamwatt Hahaha, yes. How cool would it be if that level of tech would become available for around USD 6,000? And also ARRI isn't there yet. The dynamic range of the human eye is 20 stops, so we should only be fully satisfied with sensors with 20+ stops of dynamic range, shooting full raw with a global shutter, at 8K250p. Only then we have sort of reached the limit of what is perceivable and useful. In audio this limit of what is perceivable has been long been reached. In photo resolution too, but not in dynamic range, though the sensors have not progressed much on that point in the last 5 years. We have mainly seen increases in processing power.

@Noojtxeeg

6 күн бұрын

Love how @jonesphotography5257 brings up a very valid point about modern cameras and diminishing returns and people respond by obsessing over the latest and greatest 😂

@williamsolis1

6 күн бұрын

yup, its more about the other aspects like video, lenses and stabilisation.

The Plateau is also attributable to the widespread adoption of Sony Sensors among all manufactures ( Blackmagic, Panasonic, ZCAM, etc... ) Many of them are competing with exact same sensor, so the differentiation has to be made up in other areas ( Body style, User interface / User Experience, Codec, Lens mount, etc... ) Would be great to see more competition in the CMOS sensor space. Maybe even a resurgence or revival of some older CCD tech?

@stalman

4 күн бұрын

That’s actually a good point, now the processors just need to catch up

@LukaszFrankowski

Күн бұрын

Absolutely. Would love any new camera with CCD - DSLR or mirrorless

@michaelbell75

5 сағат бұрын

Yep, and this is when cameras got boring too. 90% of these cameras produce the same boring looking images because Sony makes all the sensors. This is why many have gone back to film and something that looks different. At least Fuji stands out a bit.

amazing to see chris and jordan meet their hero

Excellent work. Great show of the new MC features of iMovie. Great to see Chris and Jordan too.

"Jordan nose cam" - Definitely a premium upgrade

Really nice to see you guys chat in a relaxed format with Tyler hosting. I drifted along with you. Before I knew it, I had watched the whole show. More please.

I own a C300 Mkiii - and a GH5 “s”. The GH5s still holds up epic , with the right exposure and a splash of grading its stunning footage. LUMIX have always pushed the limits on Video specification and they have done it again. I feel the GH7 is the perfect epic VLOG camera for 2024 as well as you can run some smaller glass and get all those features. It’s not the camera that matters it’s the person using it. 😊

@roofedmyball

5 күн бұрын

Gh5s user here. I agree. I paired it with some “pro” lenses and the image is still phenomenal.

@unbroken1010

5 күн бұрын

Please don't vlog your life at P Diddy after parties. Much appreciated

Thanks for recording this video using your iPhones. It's convinced me to not sell my proper cameras just yet.

Live Multicam is such an incredible feature and while it may not satisfy the "auto-captions NOW!!!" crowd, it's going to be tremendously valuable to podcast producers in particular. The fact that there is no latency in the wireless image is just a testament to Apple's commitment to making the customer experience feel like magic. Great coverage, Tyler (and the fellas from PetaPixel, of course).

@unbroken1010

5 күн бұрын

You can thank the 10 year olds that build it

Didn’t know I needed this today. Turns out I did.

No, dont lose the HDMI. They may not use external recorders, but you can still use it at home with a video capture card. And they also wont probably monitor their audio anyways. Just slap in a Video Mic NTG or something and use the zero latency monitoring headphone jack. There is a workaround for the headphone jack, but there's none for the HDMI if they remove it. Panasonic made the right choice.

@walrusgumboot

6 күн бұрын

Best of both worlds would be another usb-c that could have a c-hdmi adapter or c-headphone adapter as the person needed imo

I'm still a huge panasonic fan. I switched from a canon DSLR in 2013 to an olympus mirroless and loved the new features. I switched to a gh5 in 2018 and realized the capabilities they offer a knowledgeable user. I now use the Panasonic s1 and wow. The cameras now are so incredibly capable and I love the options I have as a creator, but the software side of the game is messy. I wish there were more options on linux because I want to leave windows behind with the upcoming release of recall on windows 11, but photo editing on linux doesn't match what we have on windows. Lets hope the software side of the equation doesn't push photographers too far.

@tennissir1986

7 күн бұрын

Sorry about the Panasonic thing. BTW - Recall is only going to CoPilot+ laptops.

@unbroken1010

5 күн бұрын

What would push photographers too far? They already mostly nutters

Om systems has more computational functions in their cameras than our phones, they deserve a lot more hype for that. Despite owning three full frame sony's, I still reach for my om-1 in certain situations.

Great information. I’m excited about all of this! Also, what brand tabletop mic stands are you using?

I mean... you could cut the echo down a little by at least covering the table with a soft throw blanket. Great content!

@unbroken1010

5 күн бұрын

Pro tip 😂

Camera makers should re-evaluate the 18% gray convention, and create alternate exposure strategies that you can set your camera to. An expose to the right exposure mode would be awesome. The shutter speed dial could be set up so that you set your camera to the minimum acceptable shutter speed, and the camera only deviates from the expose to the right strategy when it needs to do so to keep the minimum acceptable shutter speed.

Couldn't help myself noticing the marble table when you mentioned the echo 😂

I'm not a huge fan of the Apple Vision Pro strapped to your face as a general workflow for creatives or even industry... but it definitely has a place. In terms of creating content for it, I could definitely see using some of the innovations James Cameron had used with Avatar II. Separate the sensor and lens mount from the main body of the camera, throw the camera body on a back-pack style strap system, and have the sensor(s) and lens(es) mounted to your head or torso in some way.... helmet cam maybe? That could make for some AMAZING POV perspective film making. And you could have the systems mounted in other ways too if it made sense for the story. But right away, that seems the most logical approach to me. Sort of what the Vision Pro TRIES to do but with extremely high fidelity.

I don't really shoot video so I can't comment on a plateau in video features, but as a stills photographer, I don't think anyone can argue that pure image quality for stills photography hit a hard plateau around 2017 with the D850, A7/A7RIII, X-T3. If I did a lot of video or serious sports and wildlife I would absolutely upgrade because the new stacked sensors, advanced AF etc are all very impressive. However, for a shooter like me, who exclusively shoots carefully composed stills... There is literally no benefit to buying a latest flagship body. I went from a Sony A7R III, to an A7R V... And swiftly back to an A7R III(A). I just didn't need the more advanced features and IQ (including DR) was identical... So I spent the money on modern glass, which is where your money will directly translate into big improvements in your IQ. Just lastly... I'm with Chris regarding Lumix M43, they need to focus on small bodies and relaunch the GX line. I had a Lumix GX1 back in 2011 and it was sensational. A cool looking tiny body (half the size of an X100VI) with 24MP, 'enthusiast' video features, interchangeable lenses or maybe a 28mm equivalent fixed lens would sell like hot cakes... And they can do it. For day trips, walking/climbing, street photography, parties, social events etc it would be perfect.

M43, APS-C and FF plateaued 5-6 years ago. We need more manufacturers like Fuji who are pushing MF and bringing that to the masses. Enough with tiny sensor cameras, let’s get to the good stuff.

ummm I need that Ektar mug tho

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

It was in a small photo lab in Vegas. They were sold out of portra though

@thatjordandrake

7 күн бұрын

I said the same thing while we were there.

Regarding the S9: I finally had a chance to handle one for a few minutes yesterday (June 24) and two negatives jumped out at me right away. One, the control dial feels like it came out of the dollar store parts bin. I’m sure it’s been tested for durability, but it doesn’t feel like it belongs on a $1500 camera. And two, the HDMI and USB-C ports are on the grip side of the camera! I don’t think I’ve heard anyone really talk about this, but if you do want to put the S9 on a little gimbal then start digging for some L adapters to reroute the cables, and if you want to connect this camera to any sort of monitor the cable is always in the way when adjusting settings. Now that’s a really weird design decision.

What is the reason (besides pushing Final Cut for Ipad) that all of this could not work with a Macbook, Air, etc? and only in ipad pro?

@stalman

2 күн бұрын

I hope they make it work for Mac asap, that would actually be more useful for me

@dewdop

Күн бұрын

Money

Live Multicam is very, very cool! I can definitely tell this is iPhone footage but it’s not bad.

Not sure you know - the audio is just a tiny bit out of sync. At least in the first segment. Maybe it is YT.

@stalman

8 күн бұрын

There was a tiny bit of drift from the external audio recording to GH7 (29 vs 30 fps). I tried to get it all close but you’re right that it’s not perfect

For me (not a pro) most cameras are still just lacking in how it's integrated with a phone app, quick sharing of videos and photos, how simple it should be to update firmware etc. Even though most of the time I'll edit later on my laptop, I can imagine there are many consumers who don't necessarily want to or just want to be able to do quick stuff on their phone. Agree that something like built-in ND filters on more cameras would be amazing if the body size can stay the same. This can make a big difference in how much video I shoot when travelling, especially if I'm doing photos at the same time.

For photography purposes mainly, my buddies and I have these conversations all the time. It’s been a long time since something came out that was something that excited me for photos. All of these brands make excellent cameras, and they make a lot of them as well. So you have options to choose from, from the last 5-7 years or so. The part of the conversation that’s interesting for me, is what are people experiencing now. If the brands didn’t make another camera I think we would be OK for what they all produce. But because of the way the camera world has moved to where something new comes out every few months, would people be satisfied with that? I’ve always looked at the camera world as a world that didn’t need something new every six months because of how they built the cameras before. I didn’t need to drop something as often because what I built before will last 5 to 7 years. Not saying that things don’t nowadays, but we do see companies release multiple products at a time all the time. I wonder if that produces the plateau that were seeing. And I wonder if people really get a chance to love the cameras that they have before they go try buy the new one

The GR III and IIIX has built in ND, but I get your point! 😂

Tried the Lumix S9 in store a few days ago and was kinda interested in it. I do like the silver version but I couldn't really justify buying it when I'm already invested in Nikon

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

Nikon looks very promising right now, no need to switch brands

Ok. not to trash anyone. But honestly, why does it look so grainy? Like I've seen other iphone footage and it usually looks way sharper and way less grainy than this footage? Does this have to do something with the ipad Software? I'm genuinely curious.

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

I think a lot the problem is they were using the 3x lenses. The sensors are smaller, lenses are softer and it just doesn’t hold up like the 1x

@benjaminzipser6021

7 күн бұрын

I see. So you DO lose a lot of quality when you zoom in with your phone.

@MaximoJoshua

7 күн бұрын

did you guys use Apple Log for this, out of curiosity? It's a tad annoying using the FC Camera, because you can only use Apple Log with ProRes 422 HQ, so its creates really huge file sizes, so I would understand why you might not do it (or if you had older phones).

What about 12bit - is that something possible that will be the norm?

The other thing that would be nice is to have better wireless. Have you big camera upload to a cloud, or talk with your phone better and faster.

What I'd like to see is lower base ISO e.g. 64 instead of 100 like on some Nikon models, or even 50, 25, 12...

For the s9. If they would have simplified the menu and not the hardware that would have been better. I have the s5iix and just got the Blackmagic 6k and love the simplicity of the Blackmagic menu and setup.

If November/December comes and there is no s2h (or camera under 4k) im going to switch brands... sucks because i was JUST getting all the lenses i want lol

What about my Kodak Brownie ?

Great discussion. Am I seeing dropped frames in the video, especially on Chris, or is it just me?

i actually think a huge fumble on the s9 is the cold shoe. street photographers often use flash. it also would have made it a more capable backup camera for professionals.

@stalman

2 күн бұрын

Yup I totally agree, but then they would have also needed a mechanical shutter

the mirror creating a canted illusion in the medium-close angle on Chris feels like something out of a Max Ophüls film; makes him seem villainous or untrustworthy like he's hiding something

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

I’m glad to spotted that storytelling technique, stay tuned to find out his dark secret

video quality is kinda choppy?

@stalman

8 күн бұрын

Yeah I notice it wasn’t perfect, I’ll try to track down the cause

@Edwin--

7 күн бұрын

@@stalman @ThatJordanDrake 😉😊

The disparity in quality between iPhone ultrawide and the 1X lens is HUGE

By the end of the clip I looked for the skin tones and I was seeing them orange, but up till that point I just didn't care. I was listening to three guys talking about technical stuff. . . .

Regarding those who complain about most modern mirrorless cameras seeing drastic performance upgrades mostly in video/hybrid features, what new photographic features would they like to see? We live in an era of technological product consumption where we expect to upgrade our device within 3-8 years, but photographers need to consider what their current camera isn't doing that they need. I do think that a lot of people who can't make a state of the art Sony FF camera work for them either need to consider something with a wildly different ergonomic style (like a DSLR or digital rangefinder, even if those are technically lower-tech), or should just practice more or take a course on classical photographic techniques.

@unbroken1010

5 күн бұрын

Most "modern day" photographers can't even light past a few led or name a few classics from history

I’m watching on a big screen tv and the Final Cut switching looks unnatural. I don’t know if it’s the fps being magnified or something else. Also glitching is magnified. I’m sure it will improve over time but, for engagement, I thought I’d comment. Maybe it’s the shutter speed?

around 5:00 there are many freezes, are those hardware (phones) issues or software issues?

@stalman

5 күн бұрын

Im still not sure what happened there, trying to figure it out

Apple and Google have been the only ones innovating in photography for years now. Once these phones start getting 1 inch sensors or Apple and Google figure out how to achieve performance of a larger sensor in a smaller one, as they have figured out out how to get big optical zoom in a tiny lens, it will be game over.

Anybody else notice a bit of stutter with the iPhone multicam?

On the video side, I think all modern mirrorless cameras are great if you're working with SDR content. Things will change once HDR becomes a standard.

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

At this point I’m not even certain we’re on track for HDR to become standard outside of Hollywood, it still mostly looks terrible

@cinematools9621

7 күн бұрын

@@stalman what are you referring to? Even the most basic HDR 10 looks amazing on a good display. The problem is that there isn't one standard. A Dolby Vision license costs money and is not available on Samsung TVs. Google created its own HDR for Pixels. HLG exists, kind of. This makes things more complicated.

@MaximoJoshua

7 күн бұрын

I mean...HDR has been a standard for like 8 years or longer. KZread supports it, the last 5 years of iPhones support it (display and capture). I think people don't understand that this is a technical standard, it doesn't mean "bright saturated colors"). I personally think that HDR uploads for KZread have a much higher ceiling in quality, not only because you can capture and display more dynamic range, but because you get 10 bit video, and better compression algorithms. I honestly can't remember the last SDR movie I have seen, you typically don't even get a choice, and whether I watch on iPhone, iPad, Macbook Pro, or OLED TV, it always defaults to HDR.

@cinematools9621

7 күн бұрын

@@MaximoJoshua true but I'm talking about content creator level. The discussion is about consumer cameras.

@MaximoJoshua

7 күн бұрын

@@cinematools9621 yeah, that was also my point, I can upload every KZread video using Rec2100 HLG. Most tv's, smart phones, tablets, and laptops will be able to display it. If you are aiming at a north american youtube audience, I estimate 80% of them would see the HDR version by default. If they didn't have an HDR device, KZread automatically creates a SDR version for every HDR upload. So, if I were a content creator, I would record in Apple Log with my iPhone, use Davinci Resolve to transform it to HLG, upload to KZread. Basically, every content creator could switch to HDR tomorrow if they wanted to, it's not difficult, pretty much any current camera can handle it. The thing you have to realize is that just because I can include more dynamic range doesn't mean i have to, just because I can include a wider gamut of colors, doesn't mean I have to. Rec2100 is a standard that defines boundaries, not the contents inside those boundaries.

Don't take this personally guys, but Apple's keynotes looks better on my 5K 27" screen - so perhaps it's not only the iPhone's quality alone that does it ;-) I don't know what Apple do, but probably using 10,000,000 nits lights so the iPhones runs at ISO 1 or something lol.

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

Well the biggest thing (aside from crew, location and lights) is that they are shooting ProRes log and only using the 1x sensor. We had the closeups on the 3x lenses, which is worse, and shooting tot start iPhone profile.

Video's a bit stuttery for the Chris cam

Who’s gonna be the first to release a proper square sensor camera

Wake me up when global shutter sensors will be mass produced. Add that to any modern camera to make it perfect. Any other IQ parameter has been long maxed out.

I disagree about camera “plateau”. Although it may be true that image sensors by themselves may have peaked (excluding faster readouts removing rolling shutter) - the autofocus upgrades means that 90 percent of photographers will get better stills and videos.

If you think low light on m43 is an issue with a gh5s and a speedbooster, your just lying to yourself lol

@GrayGhostDog1

6 күн бұрын

... it's not that big of an issue without a speed-booster.

14bit readout modes for video and 16bit for photo. That's the next small step for image quality. Might be another decade at the rate camera companies are going though.

@stalman

5 күн бұрын

It will be nice for sure, but I’m curious if we’ll really notice the difference. 12 to 14 bit raw is already subtle

@dhyanverco

4 күн бұрын

@@stalman I've read that bit depth limits dynamic range, so we could finally see improvements in dynamic range. And it makes a difference with the xh2s 14bit readout with video. That's why it has such good dynamic range.

Heya! there were some dropped frames right around kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zql9xs2mqsSbitI.html -- any idea why this happened?

And you still misspelled Chris’s last name in the description 💀

@stalman

7 күн бұрын

I blame the AI autocorrect

iPhone or android phone are ok but prices are too much way too much.

Sounds great! iPhone isn’t ready for podcasting ! Curious if you guys knew what the s9 was before flying across the world? If you knew it wasn’t for you then why review - I’d rather watch a review from someone who will be using it. If you’re not using it then I don’t care about your input. Goes for any product or service.

@MyLifeFrAiurGaming

7 күн бұрын

Its their job to review gear lmao😂

@jaymills1720

7 күн бұрын

@@MyLifeFrAiurGaming they review iPads? Apple Watches? Reds? Arris?

25:20 vs. 27:13 pretty much wrong! When you place a product (=12-18 BEFORE launch) you make out aTARGET group. THAT group has a budget. If you do not hit a specific price point a product DOES NOT SELL AT ALL! This is really serious. The price point ist the MOST relevant point - otherwise a product will not sell. And I do not mean x% less, I mean not at all! As a non sales pro you can see this on smartphone sales quite well. Samsung (at least in Europe) does this excellent. The drop down, ver controlled! the price of the last year high end slightly, so that they can sell the new, as well as the last one en mass, so that competition has no chance. YT Photographie is such a bubble. Tony is pretty much the only (en) Person who knows this industry.

Video camera are nowhere near plateau tbh. The real game is 8K at Pristine quality, with up to 120 frames, no compromises, log and raw at minimum 12 bit. That is where we should be. The A7S3 still beating cams coming out today tells me it was the 1080ti of that time and we just getting piece meal, and cripple hamm es. Now we gonna spend 2-3 years getting pushed 6K as the bees knees.

You should of talk about the license that a lot of photographers bought their software before subscriptions came out and they took that away and did,t even consider to give you the money back. I see no one talking about that. How can adobe sell that license that we bought and just go on your computer then you can’t use it anyone more. That was not legal!

@stalman

5 күн бұрын

Did they take away your license or did they stop providing free updates?

I still cant believe that there’s no LUTS for Final Cut iPad tho. Like thats whackkkkk

A micro 4 third Sony RX will be pretty sweet too

@z352kdaf8324

3 күн бұрын

Why would Sony hurt themselves doing that?

@redcomn

3 күн бұрын

@@z352kdaf8324 since it had been a while since the last release of rx series. Tbh zv series ain’t really do it for lot of us rx user

You are concerned about having an echoey studio, and yet you use a marble freaking tabletop? A plain piece of plywood would be better!

@stalman

5 күн бұрын

Jordan was using my usual wooden table so we moved the marble kitchen table in

@GrantSR

5 күн бұрын

@@stalman Then tell Jordan he doesn't get to make cracks about you having an echo probe studio! 😝

I think the focus on IQ is getting stale. Video quality and options, customisation, IBIS, readout speed are becoming more important. The ceiling in IQ is basically DR/ISO which hasn't really moved in like a decade.

Camera manufacture need to approach woman as nowadays, more and more woman enterpreneur is entering the market. They producing their own content and most of their content still comes from an iphone.. why not make professional camera that is "woman friendly".. just put additional trivial stuff like beautify even matter

@stalman

2 күн бұрын

My wife says this all the time, and it’s true

huh, this guy is a camera caster but hasnt used other editing devices to compare n contrast tools? i bet he uses jpgs and lets the raw files sit due to his inability to see the full rgb spectrum

@stalman

5 күн бұрын

What a weird comment

@Teslien

4 күн бұрын

@@stalman the dude talks about not using pixel software? you can go to best buy and just try it out. I can't be the only one where i brought my own sd card and had a photoshoot inside best buys? another time he mentions holding a canon mirorless...lol

I think Chris and Jordan S9's review was their worst reviews ever, mostly complaining and reviewing for something S9 isn't. I blaimed Lumix for picking the wrong reviewers for the product.

@slwstry

4 күн бұрын

„Picking wrong reviewers” I think you are mistaking marketing and adverts made for company producing stuff from reviews which are made for consumers.