The reason it hits to the right like that is because the spirit of Samuel Colt guides rounds to the heart of the issue.

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

Almost 160 years after his death, Sam is still looking over us.

Thanks Sir, because U and others Old c&b shooters show me for the first time the vintage old school...... Ironic but true..... I live near Pietta and Uberti Factories. Many thanks again.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! Both Pietta and Uberti make some really nice firearms. So nice to hear from someone from that region!

I use my Uberti 1860 8 inch barrel to load the snub. since it comes with a loader on it and fits perfect. Been looking for another vid of these snubs thanks for sharing.

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

Good thinking! Thank you for watching!

The sound for a starter is… 💪🏿

Beautiful snub nose. I have the Pietta 1851 Navy snub nose and it's fun to shoot. Tha ks for sharing.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the snubbies are fun shooting revolvers! Thank you for watching!

A black-powder buffs dream. Love the new ace.... just Subscribed

This is gonna be my carry

People complain about groupings like that but they’re almost all in the area of vital organs or able to cause cavitation with vital organs. They may not be grouped tightly but they would end an attack.

I've got both the 44 Ca.l and 36 Cal. version of this Pietta. The 44 Cal. uses a conversion cylinder and is spot on accurate. I'm still trying to dial in the 36 (using cap and ball) by trying different bullets and loads. I bought the 36 thinking it would be substantially lighter than the 44 but such was not the case as they are both based on the 1860 frame. And like you I do love that birds heads grip! Thanks for the informative video, keep up the good work.

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I have the .44 version as well - and the conversion cylinder to go with it. Haven't had a chance to wring them out yet. Maybe a subject for an upcoming video? Hmmm...

@morlosloan7488

Жыл бұрын

So it already comes with a conversion cylinder ? & What bullets do you buy for it ? ( 44cal )

my snubby is in .44 and I changed out that bird head grip. to an 1860 Army grip It just did not index for me. The little brass thing makes a good tool to drive the wedge out, seat wads and press caps onto the cones. With 28 grains of GOEX FFFg, a lube wad and ball it is scary accurate even out to 25 yards. Love it and shot and cleaned it yesterday. Good video thanks for your work it is appreciated..

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

I like the bird's head grip, but I do want to make up a snubbie with a full size grip as well. I already have a snub barrel, I just need to find a donor revolver for the frame and grip Thank you for watching, and thanks for the kind words.

Try adjusting your grip. Align your grip strap with the center of your forearm, and pull your finger out and use the first center pad. Adjust finger left to the tip or right to the knuckle as needed. Maybe try bench rest shooting and see what the gun does. Nice video.

@fernandapereira200

Жыл бұрын

Aaa

Get a spare loading lever from Pietta, ground down the back 2 notches, leaving the front 3 teeth. You can put it in , load. It ally and slide it out, pocket the loading lever until next time!

What TXDocPrich 8404 said, plus why would you think duelist-type shooting would give you the best accuracy resu;ts?

I was surprised when you left all the shaved off lead in the cylinder’s chambers. Otherwise it’s a very well shot (no pun intended) video.

I'm thinking this would be the ultimate concealed carry cap and ball. I made a snubby from an old brass framed 1851 Navy, even modified the grip to birdshead, and it seems to be a bit smaller than the one you have here. I am going to mount a shotgun bead for a front sight. I like how you do the filming, showing the gun up close as you fire. Very cool video!

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This would make a nice little carry gun. It is reasonably compact - maybe it just looks larger in the video than it really is.

@muffin1719

8 ай бұрын

Hey man did you ever end up doing that?? i plan to for mine.

Great video, so how do you like the gun, I’m looking at buying one from midway, but some of the reviews say the timing is off or something along those lines, I’m looking at the .44 cal model

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

I like it a lot. It is a really handy revolver that balances well. have taken this one out to the range a few times now, and I do not recall it ever having a cap jam or binding or any other issues that sometimes plagues the Colt replicas. I have a number of the Pietta replicas of Colt revolvers (some to be seen in upcoming videos), and have not had any timing issues with any of them. I think any of the Piettas made in the past 5 years especially are good quality revolvers. You should get one - I don't think you will regret it!

@mikecup212

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r thank you for the quick response, I think I will get one.

Where did you purchase that gun at I can’t find any of them in stock the only ones I could find was the 44 version

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

I found this one on Gunbroker, but that was a couple of years ago, now. I haven't seen another .36 in quite some time, either.

I wonder if using filler like cornmeal would improve accuracy. Have you tried it?

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tried any kind of filler. I have read that it can help with the accuracy sometimes, so I do want to give it a try, just haven't had the chance, yet.

Can you load it on a full size revolver, then put it in the snub nose? I'm thinking it will work on the Ace and 1858 but not sure if the cylinders are the same.

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that would work. Piettas parts are pretty interchangeable.

@eclectic3618

Жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r Thanks Ordered the Ace for more reliability.

No, it didn't come with the conversion cylinder. Had to purchase that seperately. Cost was almost as much as the gun, but totally worth it in my mind.

Is the powder and the ball more expensive than regular ammo?

@johnzx6r

6 ай бұрын

It depends. The balls are probably about the same price as a similar lead bullet for a .38 Special, for instance. Black powder is a bit cheaper than the smokeless powder in modern ammo, but you use more of it in a black powder revolver. Using the .38 Special again as an example, you would be using maybe 5 grains or less of powder (depending on the load), while with black powder you would be using anywhere from 15 - 25 grains in a .36 revolver. Primers and percussion caps are about the same price (when you can find percussion caps!) You are not paying for the brass case of course with a percussion revolver, but I think the cost of that would be countered by how much more powder you end up using with a black powder revolver. So that is the long answer. Short answer is - I think it works out to about the same price, overall.

The rod is not "worthless", as you say. It is used to seat the projectile......however you want to do it.....pressing with your palm,if you are that strong or using a mallet.

Ive got the Pietta 1851 .36 Navy Snub Nose. Wondering what cap size to use.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

CCI #10's usually seem to work pretty good on most Piettas, as long as you make sure they are firmly seated. If 10's are too tight a fit, CCI #11's should work ok. Sometimes, they need to be pinched a little to ensure a good fit. Remington #10's are the best, and seem to fit well enough on most any gun, but they are impossible to find now, and no telling when we will see them again.

@personalketner1577

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks much

If that's a true 50 yd that's absolutely excellent shooting for a snubby black powder especially.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I could shoot that well at 50 yards! I was only at 15 yards here.

Where did you find this? Do not see one in the Pietta catalog.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

I bought this used a few years ago. The model number on the box is 318PIE. Taylor's has it listed on their website with an SKU of RB1/200018. As noted in the title and mentioned in the video, Pietta calls this an 1860, even though being a .36 it is more appropriately called an 1861. It originally came with a fluted cylinder, but I added the engraved one from the 1851/1861.

@freakindawgen

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r thanks, I'll keep looking.

Do the longer 36 cal barrels fit?

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, pretty much all parts are interchangeable on newer production Piettas.

The brass loading rod is to be used with balls that are smaller than .36 with a very thin patch. High rag content onion skin paper is good for this. This allows loading without disassembling the pistol. Save trying to shove a ball larger than .36 for the models with a built in loading lever/rod.

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Sounds like more trouble than I want to deal with, though. I'm pretty lazy, and it's easy enough for me just to disassemble it.

@barttorbert5031

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r I don't like disassembling the Colt style BP revolvers. I have had trouble with the wedge eventually becoming loose in the slot.

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

@@barttorbert5031 I haven't had that problem - yet. But I know it can be an issue so I'll keep an eye out for it.

@wildrangeringreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r These revolvers are meant to have oversized projectiles swaged into the chamber mouths. If you have undersized projectiles, they don't seal the chamber, and they can 1- move around under recoil, and 2- increase the potential of multiple chambers going off at once, and 3- not keep moisture out. The bullets are supposed to be soft lead, it doesn't take much to force them into the mouths. Just put the ball on the mouth, rotate it under the hole the lever would pass through, then tap the rod with a small hammer. Little percussion revolvers are a pain to load in the field, so you load them up before you head out that morning; and if you need it, you get six (or five) shots, and you need to be gone out the door lol.

For real fun get a Kurst Konverter. That gun in .45 LC is fu-fu-fu-FUN !

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

I don't have a Kirst converter, but I do have one made by Howell's kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2ppkpuvgpfSitI.html

How many grains of pyrodex would u use?

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

In a .36, I think anywhere between 18-25 should be fine. You will usually - but not always - get better accuracy with the lower powder charges.

I’d like to see Pietta use the grip form this revolver on the pepperbox

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

That would be pretty neat. It probably wouldn't be too hard to do this yourself. The parts are available, and probably wouldn't need too much fitting to work. But it would be nice if it was a factory option from Pietta.

20 grains of 3f is probably the perfect charge for a snubby .36. Any more powder just gets blown out unburned anyway

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you don't gain much of anything by trying to go any higher than that.

Try using 20,25,30 grains with a 2 handed grip,or maybe 18,24,28 grains.I think you probably killed the assiliant both times! Great video.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I like to try out these revolvers shooting one handed to begin with, since this was the most common way these revolvers were actually handled back in the day. Afterwards, I'll try them over a rest to see how well they do. I just haven't really had a chance to try a lot of different powder charges in this or really try it for accuracy, yet.

Using too much trigger finger, pulling shots to the right. Try using just the pad on your trigger finger. Group will still shoot high but on the 12-6 axis

Next best thing to throwing rocks.

What kind of fpe does this snubby put out?

@johnzx6r

12 күн бұрын

Haven't chronographed this, but based on other revolvers with longer barrels, I'm guessing the velocity out of this is probably about 800 fps or thereabouts, so the fpe with a typical 65 grain round ball would be about 95 - 100 ft lbs of energy. Not much.

@BradSimmerman-lm4lh

11 күн бұрын

Hey John I took it out this morning. I packed each chamber with as much triple 7 as I could then a wad. Then I literally pounded each round ball in. 36 cal. Then I put 2 2x4s together and to my surprise it penetrated through both. My 38 special cowboy load won't do that. This little snubby has lethal power. No doubt and would make a great glove box carry. Thanks for your response! Like your videos. Do one with the 1873 cattleman penetration test. Ballistic gel.

If it's a .36 cal chamber it's an 1862 police model the 1860 army was chambered in .44 cal

@wildrangeringreen

2 жыл бұрын

61 model was a 1860 belt model in "navy caliber" (correspondingly, the step was taken out of the cylinder, making almost the same as a 51 belt model), the 62 was a 49 pocket model with a stepped cylinder like the 1860, but in .36, and due to the smaller diameter, could only hold 5.

Looks like that puppy wants .380s

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe. The .375's are a tight fit but it couldn't hurt to try .380's as well.

@0BRAINS0

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r you'll get better fps from .380 , increased accuracy.

It makes no sense that they call it an 1860 Army. It's not a .44 which was literally the whole point of the 1860. No rebated cylinder, no step in the water table, no enlarged grip, and .36 cal. That's literally a Navy frame with a bird's head grip and an 1861 snub nose barrel.

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. But that is what Pietta calls it. Don't know why.

@Gunautist43

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r I found this listed on midwayusa as a 1851 navy snub nose

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gunautist43 The one on Midway listed as the 1851 is similar, but has a different barrel profile (the Midway 1851 has an octagon barrel and this one is rounded). Other than that it is the same gun - you wouldn't go wrong with either of them.

@AS-be4kp

Ай бұрын

60 design in .36. It's pretty cool.they messed with the designs a lot to appeal to everyones taste. There's one for everyone

Whatever Pietta is called, if it’s a 36 caliber, it’s a 1861 navy, not an 1860 army, the army is still in 44...I have the old model of snub nose by Pietta in 36 caliber, with the regular grip, it is a 1861 Navy shortened....😁 but whatever i say, it's a fun little gun.👍

@johnzx6r

Жыл бұрын

It is fun. And you are right, it should properly be called the 1861 Navy. But, as stated, Pietta for some reason insists on calling it an 1860.

All these have to be done at home and then you take it

Them folks back in the 1860's used that worthless rod to load everyday

Typical pietta colt style repro, they usually hit a few inches to the left or the right and high. You just need to aim at 7 o’clock

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've only had one Colt copy so far that hasn't hit at least 6" north of where i"m aiming. Nature of the beast, I guess.

@Matzah1982

2 жыл бұрын

The uberti .36 navy colt repro with the 7 and a half inch barrel I used to have I would aim at 6 o’clock on a 12 ounce bottle from 30 yards away holding it with both hands and never miss

@Matzah1982

2 жыл бұрын

Excuse me. 30 feet not 30 yards

Try using two hands

Not an 1860 that's an 1861 Navy

raising your powder load will actually lower you poi, i would shoot off a bench and see how this gun does

Looks more like an 1861 snubnose. The 1860 was never in .36.

@johnzx6r

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely - but for some reason Pietta insists on referring to it as an 1860. I have no idea why.

@rezlogan4787

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r Interesting. Pietta gets ‘imaginative’ with chamberings. Looks like a nice piece nevertheless.

@ronaldkennedy2401

3 жыл бұрын

it's on the same frame.the 44 version just has a step cut out of the water table and a rebated cylander.the same with the 1851 yank snubnose in 44 and 36.you can interchange with the other lengths of both guns ie navy to navy or army to army.and with the 44 versions you can swap down to 36 but not vice versa.so with each grip type of 44 you can make 3 different iterations of each.44 birdshead,44 plowshare or 36 cal version.nifty.

@rezlogan4787

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldkennedy2401 Handy, yes. But not an 1860 by any stretch. This model doesn’t even have the cut out. Pietta could just call it an 1861 belly gun and seem like they actually know the guns they’re reproducing. I notice Uberti seems to get the names and calibers right.

@carminetocco9334

5 ай бұрын

​So do you think the 1861 conversion cylinder will fit the 1860 Snub in .36 hope so cause I just ordered one all Pietta ​@@rezlogan4787

Public reply to comment-- I leave the shavings All the time been shooting for 10 years, just saying

Of course youre un acurete, youre aiming with both eyes open😮

Try 2 handed…

You are destroying Your Colt by hammer. Use only hands

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not really hammering it - just giving it a little tap. Barely any force at all.

Had to downvote because your audio is completely borked. Try reuploading once you've adjusted your sound level from 10 dB up to something approaching normal conversational levels of ~50 dB...

@johnzx6r

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the audio is about as good as it is going to get. It was very windy that day, and I was also battling with a very busy and noisy range that day. So I did the best I could with what I had to work with.

@0BRAINS0

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnzx6r no problems with audio on my end.

Get a spare loading lever from Pietta, ground down the back 2 notches, leaving the front 3 teeth. You can put it in , load. It ally and slide it out, pocket the loading lever until next time!