I agree. Zeke’s plan is hard to accept but at the same time it is probably the most humane if you think about it.

@coldninjafire5383

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a long but painless death and he’s technically not killing anybody it’s not like it’s going to hinder anybody giving birth is not a need it better then the rumbling in my opinion that would not only kill most of the worlds population but all the animals and the crops

@rdcarbonk1885

2 жыл бұрын

there is nothing to like in that plan. Its simply a kid who refuses to live in reality and would rather be dead. He imposes his stupid dogma like the previous fritz king on all eldians like he is some higher authority.

@zero.calibre4605

2 жыл бұрын

@@rdcarbonk1885 There is something to like in that plan, it's better than committing mass genocide. Zeke found a peaceful and painless alternative to eren's plan. Eren's plan is brutal, merciless, and unhelpful. Zeke's plan is Merciful, Humane, and Painless.

@raifkenedy3

Жыл бұрын

its fucked up that the most twisted philosophy to apply in real life (abuse victims killing themselves), in AoT is humane compared to the other methods

@OhTaco77

Жыл бұрын

I think the best peaceful plan was King Fritz.. i will take my people in this Island we won't cause any problem and don't bother us

Glad to see a character’s philosophy centered around antinatalism

Zeke eren and Reiner were very well written characters with very good character development

That was really great expectation.I think Zeke was trying to do the same thing Itachi did but in a more humane manner.Both of them had this realisation that if they weren't born in this world they wouldn't have to suffer.

You left out the fact that if Zeke didn’t rat out his parents, him and his grandparents would’ve been titanized when Grisha and Dina were inevitably caught.

@rdcarbonk1885

23 күн бұрын

They were heading towards ironically failure anyway. Even if zeke had become a warrior restorationist. Being the one to lead the charge and get the founder he would have simply becomed the next reiss king.

At 1:42 you can see a goat/ram toy in the bottom left. Like how zeke was playing with a monke toy before becoming a monke titan, tom later becomes a goat/ram titan in the manga Additionally, at 1:46 you can see toys that look like eren and zeke in the box besides tom's wife. There's also a toy that looks to maybe be historia? But idk (if there's any symbolism behind "historia"being under zeke and eren pls don't spoil it; i haven't read the manga past the point where s4 ends)

Seeing the Past of A Person In Attackontitan is like going down memory lane where you get a taste into their life, it does not justify killing but it makes you sympathize with the actions of someone I know that sounds bad but it does.

@nayjer2576

6 ай бұрын

wait until people realize that anyone has a backstory, yet it doesn't justifie any of the actions.

I'm going to be completely honest. Zeke’s reasoning made me agree with his plan from the moment he revealed it. I don't know why but I thought about and it's really the best and most human option.

@GallowayJesse

7 ай бұрын

Zekes plan is horrible. A philosophy of weakness

Crazy to think this video only has 3k views I thought I was watching a famous philosophy channel with the quality of this video damn bro yt did u dirty keep going man you’ll each the top

@awdii

2 жыл бұрын

Ty broo

Awesome visuals and thank you for spreading the philosophy of antinatalism.

Thank you for this educational video! Naturally, the idea of antinatalism is baffling at first sight so I wanted to go in depth to understand Zekes ideology. It is very interesting to see a character in an anime that is carrying this idea and it must have been hard to interpret it so it doesn't feel out of place. You really peaked my curiosity with this!

Sacrificing future of his race to ensure the survival of the present of both and future of others seemed the best choice here.

@nayjer2576

6 ай бұрын

in the end it would have been temporary.

@rdcarbonk1885

23 күн бұрын

The ending shows that sacrificing the race would not end the cycle of violence. Though we only see paradise being bombed the truth of the matter is the conflict is more or less world wide. Hes basically ending his own race so the other people can kill each other on their own terms.

@danzack900

23 күн бұрын

@@rdcarbonk1885 Yeah but he didn't set out to end all war. Just the eldian/Marley conflict. Humans will be humans whatever they do. Erwin knew that.

@rdcarbonk1885

23 күн бұрын

@@danzack900 Nope he set out to save the world, by euthanazia. Believing that eldians are just a source of pain and misery. And after failing he was ok with everyone dying.

Underrated video, high quality and deserves more views! Thanks for it, and also, great soundtrack selection!!

This video provides a tantalizing viewpoint on a not-so popular take..I love it 💯

This video is a great summary! Of both, the manga/anmie and the viewpoints behind it. (And I liked the visuals and pictures)

He is my favorite from the first

My favourite character as well

I think he is, but he’s still a great character.

Zeke’s plan meant robbing his people of a future in order to save the humans that want him and his race DEAD in the first place. That’s why Eren ruthlessly opposed it. He couldn’t accept it. Everyone forgets that even if Zeke’s plan would’ve worked, Marley attacks and destroys Paradis anyways according to the paths that Eren saw. And plenty of people have died in the process of Zeke trying to see this out. Zeke also wanted to use a partial rumbling to deter attacks on the island meaning a substantial of people would die anyways.

@MichealFelk

7 ай бұрын

1: No, he directly states that not being born would prevent Eldian suffering. Titan powers disappearing is a nice plus and an effective way to convince people (In universe) to help him, but not the main point. 2: Eren effectively binge watched Attack On Titan in a second, not alternate paths. In fact AoT is a deterministic universe, you can’t have an alternate path. 3: They would use the rumbling as a deterrent, as Colossal Titans are still uncontested, and in the amount of time for Eldians to die out. The world would not be able to develop 1960s - 1970s equipment on a broad scale. They’re somewhere between the end of WW1 - the beginning of WW2 so a long way from mass produced fighter jets and carpet bombings. 4: Lots of people have died in Eren’s plans, Armin’s, Erwin’s. Everyone’s killed someone else in AoT 5: Using a district’s walls, temporarily, and letting the Colossal Titans splash around the ocean; while the azumbotio film it. Would be enough to show the world that the rumbling is still possible and it’s still not worth it to attack Paradis.

@Bornagainvillain

7 ай бұрын

@@MichealFelk the rumble was a real threat, and Marley declared war on Paradis ANYWAYS. It wasn’t enough to stop other nations from going for their resources.

@MichealFelk

7 ай бұрын

@@Bornagainvillain 1: Marley invaded because they knew the rumbling wasn’t an actual threat, King Fritz told the Tybur family, the rumbling being usable was something new 2: Even if Marley invaded, rumble their military bases until they stop, no one has enough or big enough equipment to stop a rumbling. And considering Paradis is gone after the next generation, we don’t need to worry about the international opinions on such an action. 3: Hizzuru didn’t invade them, neither did the volunteers, they actively worked with Paradis for mutual gain.

abstaining from getting carried away in desires.

MY FAVORITE ZEKE

This video is so underrated

Good analysis

Virgin “Life is bad” Zook VS Chad “Because I was Born” Aaron

2:29 individuals can attain liberation (moksha) from the cycle of birth and death (samsara), thus ending suffering. This is achieved through meditation, self-inquiry, and a deep understanding of the teachings found in the Upanishads.

@MichealFelk

7 ай бұрын

Individuals are more likely to attain liberation, by not going through the problem in the first place. If dying is bad, and death is intrinsic to life, and to live you must be born. Don’t be born bro

abstaining from the innate desire to replicate.

Zeke's plan was a terrible solution, yet, among the alternatives that actually came to pass it was an infinitely better path that didn't came to pass just for the sake of continuation an nothing else.

@omarasif2068

2 ай бұрын

The bests solution was simply removing the titan ability or making everyone forget about it but after that Id say Zeke's idea is the best

my GOAT

You used the Cicada 3301 soundtrack from Lemmino XD , nice

@awdii

3 жыл бұрын

hell yea

As someone who has suffered from anhedionia, I argue that the absence of pleasure is bad. Everything becomes meaningless. Yes suffering is bad, but as long as you can experience pleasure as well, you can find meaning in it.

@eisteebastard7565

2 жыл бұрын

the absence of pleasure is only bad if someone suffers because of that An unborn person doesn.'t suffer from the absence of pleasure

@EveryDayALittleDeath

2 жыл бұрын

@@eisteebastard7565 Hmm, interesting. I don't entirely disagree, but I'm also not convinced. You've given me something to think about at least

A very based and rational character

@GallowayJesse

7 ай бұрын

Zeke is the ultimate cuck

abstaining from procreation to prevent future evil.

Why did he kill off mike so brutally then?? Ik he thinks ppl are better off death but still

What's the song you used in the beginning ?

@awdii

2 жыл бұрын

Old Joe from ping pong the animation

@maisou3628

2 жыл бұрын

@@awdii Thank you

that isn't benatar's picture

I got my pure titan injection… did you? Jk you don’t have to tell me we will all find out 🎉

Zeke IMO is a better char than Eren. Eren used to be my fav until forced fan service romance ruined his character in the end.

You sound insane lol

I disagree because Buddha already told us the only way to end suffering is to let go of desires. I would like Zeke more if he didn't kill his own people, and if his plan came about from a standpoint of showing compassion.

@antaresoung9392

8 ай бұрын

If u think about ur disagreement, u'll see why Buddha condemned antinatalism and nihilism as major heresies. Buddhism, antinatalism and nihilism agree that life is just suffering and is pointless. But the latter two simply deny samsara and the escape from it. So long as samsara and nirvana can't be proven, those two other philosophies do sound much more sensible. That's why Buddha and Buddhists preemptively condemn them.

@encouraginglyauthentic43

8 ай бұрын

@@antaresoung9392 If you you understood the buddha, you would know that Samsara and Nirvana aren't places.

@GallowayJesse

7 ай бұрын

Anti-natalism is a mental disorder

@Arman-sr2gu

6 ай бұрын

​@@GallowayJesse Its claled rationality

Life isn't perfect and that's what makes it beautiful. There is beauty in pain. Without the hard times, the good times wouldn't be as significant.

@cosmiclifeist4875

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Antinatalism is delusional.

@taquitoburritoxl

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think they are delusional. In my opinion, I think antinatalism would be useful. Say that scientists say that we are going extinct in 200 year. I wouldn't want to bring more kids to a already doomed world. Another way at looking at it is that antinatalism suggest that never born is bad, but never saying that we should all be dead. A life not worth beginning is not a life not worth continuing. It's like eating pineapple pizza, you don't like pineapples but the pizza is kinda tasty. That's just me, I'm not an antinatalist but not a natalist either. Even if your life was not worth beginning, you're here now. Just enjoy the ride.

@cosmiclifeist4875

3 жыл бұрын

@@taquitoburritoxl That's probably a more balanced outlook. Unless, of course, we reach promortalism, where everything becomes justified. Found some of those people talking about building nuclear bombs and murdering people secretly in their sleep. What's worse is that they seemed sincere. I know AN doesn't necessarily lead to PM, but it is something worth keeping in mind. Personally, I also believe that there's no moral imperative to have many children. However, I don't see how the absence of suffering or pleasure can be good or bad for non-existent beings, or how one could ask for the consent of a non-existent being.

@taquitoburritoxl

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@GA-od1fv

3 жыл бұрын

@@cosmiclifeist4875 delusional or realistic?😂

I think Zeke's ideology is justified in the context of an Eldian who lives in Marley and suffers greatly. However, if I see the Yeagerist ideology, it seems far better than Zeke's because they are sacrificing the world for the good of the Eldians. On the other hand, Zeke is sacrificing Eldians for the sake of the world. So, in this context, the Yeagerist ideology is better than Zeke's ideology. Nonetheless, I will say that Zeke's ideology is still very much logical and justified.

Glad to see others learn of antinatalism