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@tyranosaurusrex8781

3 жыл бұрын

Dionysus the Thrax wrote: the Phoenicians were neighbors of the barbarians and they did trade. Perhaps when the Greeks spoke in early times about then Phoenicians, becouse they gave them this name, they ment the Philistines. What we yet now about the Phoenicians is that they didnt founded colonies like the Greeks but commercial branches. So we cannot find a Phoenician dna in there colonies, whereas greek dna in the greek colonies. This shows that Phoenicians colonies were populated form the people around them.

@kylewilliams8114

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was very intriguing! Seeing a culture that became dominant not by conquest(though I'm sure there were some instances), but largely through economic ties, create a syncretic society with other inhabitants is fascinating. I wish we knew more about Carthage and the Phoenicians in general.

@YeshuaCameAndGaveUsLifeandLove

3 жыл бұрын

To Op - Not all the cannanites nor the Syrians at all were not black. Please stop it with this AfroCentric History taught by Guilty white liberal college Professors making everything about race or a social disorder. Its offensive to the ones that know 90% of what they teach has a ulterior motive related to race and not Facts!! FACTS DO NOT HAVE TIME WITH YOUR FEELING - JORDAN PETERSON. UN-SUBBING!

@YeshuaCameAndGaveUsLifeandLove

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyranosaurusrex8781 The Phoenicians were a Caucasian Aryan descent! So were originally Iranians and lots of Pharoahs were Caucasian as in King Tut and his family had red hair and so may more had a Caucasian descent but you want to be politically correct and lie and place Africans slap dab in the middle east! Heck you might as well make all the Turkish people and Persians and people from India and China so you don't hurt anyone's feelings! Let's change facts that have been the same for 1000s of years to be politically correct and turn this channel to the AfroCentric was the first in Every country!! Disgusting!

@kylewilliams8114

3 жыл бұрын

@@YeshuaCameAndGaveUsLifeandLove bye felicia.

So now, finally, we are starting to see genetics come to the fore in studying these ancient populations.

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

3 жыл бұрын

Prepare for a revolution of thought.

@ryrilo5078

4 ай бұрын

And it still isn't bringing much clarity

@JustJoe326

4 ай бұрын

​@@ryrilo5078 Even with DNA evidence, there are still people that only want to ' pull ' incredible ancient history only towards their own, selfishly. It's quite obvious now that so many ancient civilizations were basically a mixture of different, " races " .. Nothing about, " racial superiority " amongst those ancient peoples, thankfully.

@aag3752

2 ай бұрын

Yep. They were white.

Nick, I love your channel, DW Draffin, I love your narration.

Man , i am really intrigued by this podcast ..tanx much

My wife who is from Cagliari in Sardinia, has X2b as her mitochondrial haplogroup. This was a very interesting study and it has helped me to better understand her possible ancient origins. Thank you.

@akragas4394

3 жыл бұрын

what part of Sardegna ?

@ghanvedsingh8946

2 жыл бұрын

I am from India and I trace my ancestry From ancient Macedonia that is one part of Greece and the French island of Corsica s capital city belong s to my ancestry how this happened i don't know?

@robertolang9684

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghanvedsingh8946 Atlantes , Mediterranean race some people in India part of it

@Micro-Moo

Жыл бұрын

@@robertolang9684 I would note that “race” (I prefer to speak just of statistical modes in the distribution of some apparent phenotypical features) is the least informative aspect of human ancestry. The haplotype method works for any time depth, but the anthropological features can be changed in a couple of generations.

@gaylendelcambre7719

10 ай бұрын

I’m X2b4 and I have small % of Sardinian in my dna report.

You do a great voice over👌🏼

😊 wow thank you so much! This is really awesome!

Very interesting nice presentation.Thankyou

Nice seeing people talking and having disscation about genetic and discussion history of ancient Civilization

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate your support!

@courtneybrown6204

3 жыл бұрын

Discussion? Dissociation?

@vdoniel

3 жыл бұрын

Dissociation really? I don't get that impression at all.

@painxsavior7723

3 жыл бұрын

@@vdoniel I meant discussion sorry

@jackdarby2168

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

Small request-- in the future, could you specify whether you are speaking of yDNA and mtDNA clades? It was confusing at times. Even a comment on the screen would help. ( I am yDNA I-L11949, mtDNA H7D2A)

@edoedo8686

Жыл бұрын

@Black Lesbian Poet ❤️

You had me at necropoli.

So if the Phoenicians were descended from ancient Natufians, what happened to the E1b1 haplotypes that was present in them along with J haplotypes?

@zincc99

Күн бұрын

They weren’t descended completely from Natufians dude. They are descended from 3 Neolithic groups. Neolithic Anatolian mixed with Natufian & Iranian Hunter gatherer.

@ryrilo5078

Күн бұрын

@@zincc99 so they were mixed.

Nice and all, but a link to the article would have been appreciated and appropriate for sure.

@red94mr28

3 жыл бұрын

Open your eyes, it's in the description

This isn't really about the origins of the Phoenicians. It's like talking about the Spanish in the New World and calling the video Origins of the Spanish.

@hadjesti

2 жыл бұрын

So true

@PraiseJesusAmen

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

This rolling SAMA Drum Theme ... very impressive ... needs more cowbell ...

@tylertilghman7290

3 жыл бұрын

Always more cowbell...

@lancehaseltine494

3 жыл бұрын

You mean “more auroch bell” don’t you?

@ginnamin

2 жыл бұрын

Lol!

Wow, wonderful

I think the 'integration of european women' is more realistically described as 'the human trafficking of foreign wives' but I get that you can't conclude that from the DNA alone

@ldl1477

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking.

@1800JimmyG

2 жыл бұрын

No no no its mObiLiTy

@brucetucker4847

2 жыл бұрын

No, you really can't. There have always been war brides and sailor's wives and they weren't always slaves or captives. Lots of American soldiers brought brides home from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam and almost none of them were victims of human trafficking - many of them were just women in hard circumstances who saw a ticket to a better life in a less war-ravaged country. Or women who found romance with a foreign soldier when their own young men were off somewhere else due to the war - there was a lot of that in England in WW2.

@WolfRoss

2 жыл бұрын

I think that is probably true. My H1e1a6 has been in the Stuttgart area back to the 1500's. Upstream H1e1a in an archaic DNA is Germany Middle Neolithic H1e1a, Esperstedt, near Hanover. It appears to be found in Scandinavia also. In my family the women of this line are midwives/herbalists.

@Micro-Moo

Жыл бұрын

I agree! However, I would note that female genetic mobility always was one of the distinct traits of the entire humankind. Also, I would note that there was no strict boundary between “trafficking” and the other mechanisms of mobility. Don't you think so? Whatever it is, I think you're quite right, I would consider the attempts to draw a positive conclusion as flawed.

My last name is Cartagena, "New Carthage". I'm Black and Puerto Rican and my 23andme shows Sardinia, North Africa, the Mediterranean, Ashkenazi Jewish, and so on. Cool thing is it showed some Pakistani too, lol.

@yoroshikuonegaishimasu8649

Жыл бұрын

You are very mixed

@sonnyk5344

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Carthagininan influence increased racial mixing, contributing to ancient Spanish lineages. Southern Spain has more Carthaginian (Phoenician) lineage than northern Spain.

@jewelscoop3570

Жыл бұрын

@@yoroshikuonegaishimasu8649 would you prefer someone be inbred?

@stevethecross2727

Жыл бұрын

​@@jewelscoop3570 being pure does not mean inbred. I suppose to you a bastard unnatural mongrel is the epitome of human evolution. That's what the world needs more confused individuals.

@derekpmoore

Жыл бұрын

I also show a very small percentage of Pakistani, but I’m mostly Swedish and Danish then Irish.

Thanks!

It would be nice to have a link to the article this video is apparently paraphrasing.

Very technical with lots to digest. What more can you ask for?

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

I am happy to see your comment! Have not seen anything from you in a while. I hope you and yours are well!

@KeithShuler

3 жыл бұрын

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thank you very much. And same to you. I always watch your videos, and appreciate the hard work that goes into your presentation.

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

@@KeithShuler means the world mate!

@jeffbillings-el6110

2 жыл бұрын

The truth ! And nothing but the truth , which they fell short of .

@8:08 never in my life have I heard of "druze" before until now I had to use subtitles to spell that correctly and google search that too

@aquaticsplashes

3 жыл бұрын

@Judy wicker what is kaballah? and Jesus couldn't have been Jruse they believe in reincarnation Jesus went to heaven

@wanton1234

3 жыл бұрын

how about this, the ark of the covenant is in a church in ethiopia. google that

@zulfiquarfneiche3467

Жыл бұрын

I’m a Lebanese Druze

S.A.M.A. = you are the best. Thanks for all the effort put into videos. And still prayers for Nick's family

I have some Sardinia, Portugal, Spain and other places. I am very interested in the what you are sharing. ❤Thank you❤

I think ,instead of or on top of mitohondrial MTDNA , a paternal Y chromosome DNA could also be very interesting plus its easier to track than MtDNA. A much clearer picture of the movements of the population as well as a composition / female ,male would also help. What do you ,the reader ,think ?

No mention of the last study published in CELL Mai 28 ,2020. The study shows for example the predominance of the male haplogroup J1 especially in the excavation of the Beirut's burials. And yet , according to your video J1c is the most ancient in Sardinia.

Well done!!!

Much love from Lebanon❤

My haplogroup and Mtn DNA is U3 and I am a Greek Cypriot. I have been assigned Druze heritage, and European.

@mitriesp1248

3 жыл бұрын

Ζήτω η Ελλάδα ⚡⚡🤚🏼🇬🇷

@Santino369

3 жыл бұрын

What is Druze? Druze heritage?

@Phoenician_kang

3 жыл бұрын

@@Santino369The Druze are an ethnoreligious community in the levant which have been genetically isolated for almost a millennia.

Phoenicians were named from the color red or crimson, not purple.

@Isynchromissity

4 ай бұрын

I thought it was purple too. Tyrian purple. What makes you say red?

@Johnsun12

3 ай бұрын

No the were purple aka black. It’s was written over and over by Homar and the Bible even says canninites came from Kushite. Why is the everyone losing about the obvious. The can’t enslave there own origins. Stop the lies 😂

@CharFred-vr1ti

2 ай бұрын

​@@Johnsun12 Purple is not "aka black". Black is black and purple is purple. In fact there's etymological connection of Phoenicia also with red. So black has nothing to do with anything in the name.

@Johnsun12

2 ай бұрын

@@CharFred-vr1ti purple is closer to dark skin than white. Many Africans have a Moron purple complexion. Homar said it not me.

Who do I contact to get my DNA tested and compare against this study?

@johkupohkuxd1697

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody lol. Why?

And what about the Sumerian cuneiform on that bronze plate of the Phoenicians?

Safe to assume mitochondrial DNA introduced at barbery slave trade era in lebanon especially since there's no evidence of when.

Calling the female slave trade "female mobility" is a bit off putting. I mean come on. Its 1800 BC in patriarchal societies. This was definitely traded women as either wives or just straight up sexual slavery.

@matthewday8167

3 жыл бұрын

Not in Phoenician society. The central God was Baalat Gubla, the name-Goddess of Gubla, their name for Byblos. Their 'Kings' were actually the consorts of the High Priestess of the City. If she was strong, she ruled, and her new choice could be 'King'. If not, she would be a pawn perhaps. It is right there in the Amarna letters from the 'Governor' of Byblos, Rib-Haddi. circa 1350 BCE. He wrote 70 letters to the Pharaoh over 25 years. The society had matriarchal roots, for sure.

@Phoenician_kang

3 жыл бұрын

Female mobility isn't exclusively due to slavery. No need for loaded language.

@kendethstryke3020

3 жыл бұрын

You are either kidding or haven't read much history. Slavery was as common as labor back then. Just walking thru a city you would see slaves performing functions daily. Why in 1900 BC we have a pre-nup wedding agreement between two elites that if the intending wife didn't provide child in two years she would have to pay to acquire a slave girl to give him child. It specified a 10 shekel slave girl. Probably a high price so an exotic one. Slavery was so common women were sold as chattel for elite citizens delights. If you are going to read about ancient times you better get ready for horrors as common life.

@Phoenician_kang

3 жыл бұрын

@@kendethstryke3020 Again. Female mobility has a different definition than slave trade of women. The only assumption that could be made based on the genetic evidence is female genetic mobility. That mobility could be through slavery, and or other means. It isn't exclusively slavery.

@bigalsnow8199

Жыл бұрын

Uhhh just call it what it is....human flesh trafficking.

Do you have a video with Israeli and Judean DNA?

wow nice drums

Testing DNA from1800BC & 400BC? Wasn't the height of the Phonecian sea faring trade circa 1400bc -900bc?

@robertolang9684

2 жыл бұрын

from the time of Phoenicians Hittites my branch of people took of from Anatolia to Balkans , where they admixed with the illyrians Etruscan , celtas , embroiled in a few century's of sex and wars and in iron age conquered all women from north Italy to Ireland and was sex big time until the Romans decided to spoil it since then we never been Phoenicians again and become celticas enslaved to our days

This is interesting to me as my sister had her dna tested and it contained Phoenician dna. I wondered how that could be possible because I thought as the Phoenician race no longer existed, how could a comparison be made. I now understand that it can be traced through other lineages. I recently started an ancestry search. (I'm British btw) and on the maternal side my sisters and I go back to Ireland with a French (Norman), great, great grandfather. We are all dark haired with green/blue eyes and 3 out of 6 girls have rhesus neg blood. Not sure what haplotype that would be. Fascinating stuff. Thank you.

@danythrinbell1596

3 жыл бұрын

Phoenician dna ? ????? how they could match your Phoenician dna ? they match you the Lebanese but even the Lebanese of today got admixtures that the Phoenician did not had at they time

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

3 жыл бұрын

(Just to be clear, race is genetic and ethnicity is cultural.) There was once an ethnic group called the Liby-Phonecians. Libyans mixed with Phoenician colonists from Tyre, through intermarriage. It wasn't just Carthage, but Lepsis Magna, Sirte, and Cyrenica sites where they set up colonies and intermingled. There was really no such thing as racism back in the day... People thought skin color was interesting like horses were interesting if different colors. Ethnicism - was rampant however, which is prejudice against someone's culture. Liby Phoenicians liked each other and intermarried because of cultural kinship. We would assume that Libyans of today like the Lebanese, might have traces of Phoenician DNA. In reality however... Phoenician DNA would have scattered all over Europe - because the Romans sold the Carthage Holocaust survivors into slavery. Quite possible many Carthaginian slaves ended up in Britain. Edit: It's also quite possible phonecian DNA ended up in Britain - because of the crusades. Just like American GI's brought back Japanese wives, crusaders sometimes brought back women from the Middle East.

@lunaumbra

3 жыл бұрын

@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Very interesting, thank you. We know that a recent ancestor E. Jacques ended up In Ireland from France but we don't know the year because the records don't go that far back. He married an Irish girl Brigid and they moved from Boyle to Manchester, England, just before the famine of 1845 (I think that;s right?) I doubted the Phonecian trace myself knowing they no longer exist but I can see now how people moved around due to wars and must and of course they would become absorbed into the community eventually leaving traces of origins in dna.

@matiusbond6052

2 жыл бұрын

@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking The original Phoenicians were Egyptians!!!!

@matiusbond6052

2 жыл бұрын

Luna- Umbra...The Phoenicians originally were Egyptians,and there is no such thing as Phoenician DNA.The Bible says Phoenicians,Canaanites,and Sidonians are descendants Ham .father of the black race.Does your sister fit that mold?

Thank you. You have a great voice. This is educational. My paternal grandpa was born in Lisbon Portugal 215 years ago today. I have a small percentage from Sardinia. The males and females are why we are all here. My Haplogroup is U5b2b on my maternal. My daddy's Haplogroup R-z209 I am 70. My mother made me believe her husband wasn't my daddy. Today, I learned what to call it. BLOOD LINE TRAUMA. I am working on religious trauma. My paternal grandmother' maternal line goes into DAVID FAMILY. I have read of Jewish Genealogist wrote that from one man in the earlier ancestors is a direct decendant of KING DAVID. Now, I would like to know if Sardinia was in his family.

I have mtDNA match in a Phoenician burial ground on Sardenia. H1e1a6 C150T.

"Female mobility" "inclusive" after you take the PC buzzwords out what you really are talking about is women being traded around the world.

@free_gold4467

3 жыл бұрын

That's certainly a possible mechanism, probably a variety of reasons for the movement of men and women including your suggestion.

These genetic study was found to be faulty. A marker occurs in conjunction with other markers, that are not studied, giving wrong results. Convicting murders/rapists/serial killers was abandoned in the US as a result.

@MrAmhara

3 жыл бұрын

Liar

@funkmaster2258

3 жыл бұрын

What marker ? And it takes alot more than 1.

@wisdomtrue2008

Жыл бұрын

On what planet?

I love how dna tests either confirm or deny myth and history of our ancestors.

Aren't there any nuclear dna studies?

The latest study revealed very close genetic similarities of the Phoenicians and Judeans/Israelis! They belong to the same peoples - Cana'anites!

@valhallanews5675

3 жыл бұрын

Can you put a link to the study?

@oliviamonteque6407

2 жыл бұрын

They are Canaanites. And Canaan are black people. He is a son of "HAM". So I don't understand all this whitewashing of History.

@oliviamonteque6407

2 жыл бұрын

@sassy pethel Maybe rubbish to you but not to me! It was never ment for you! Why do you think is the reason they can't show the ancient manuscript. Quite simple, they distroyed the books in the Library in Alex. EGYPT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEED OF JAPHETH. Has nothing to do with the Roman made up blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin Jesus, who was really Leonard's boyfriend, called Cesare Borgia. It is not about the happy clappy person they call Jesus, but about a serious dark brown man, (the Bible discribes him in Daniel 7.9 and read Revelation) He that is coming back with swords for Judgement on the earth. Have you not noticed the changes going on? If not, continue, just like in the days if Noah.

@michaelszczys8316

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the Canaanites were red haired, at least the giant ones. Red hair , hairy like an animal

@sarahjrgensen7753

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliviamonteque6407 stop making everything black

Corsica feeling left out

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

3 жыл бұрын

Balearic Islands - *"What am I, chopped liver!"*

My understanding is,that testing Mtdna /mitochondrial DNA,which is the female line,is not the best way to investigate the movement and origins.Its normally Y chromosome / father line that is used.Do I understand it correctly.Sardinia for example ,a substantial part of male population has I2 haplogroup male line.The question is,how did they get there and why & when.I2a is the original European haplogroup ,about 40.000 years ago started in the Balkans. In modern population of Balkans / Dinaric ,I2a is predominant haplogroup,but virtually none in Italy except Sardinia.How do I add that up?Anyone has any idea.

@j.a.fligor97

Жыл бұрын

Travel by boat

It would have been interesting to look at the sicilian from the north western part of the island. They have a distinctive look . when you see them , you know they have an ancient and mysterious look

@hatupatu4264

Жыл бұрын

They are a blend of Greek and Maori

@Thehermitist

7 ай бұрын

❤❤ yes we do

@Thehermitist

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@hatupatu4264WE ARE NOT 😂😂😂 are u nuts 😅 we have Ancient Greek not Māori ffs. DONT SPEAK FOR US

DNA from who from where did they find an ancient Phoenician tomb with bones???

@lindamaemullins5151

3 жыл бұрын

🤷‍♀️

@lookoutforchris

3 жыл бұрын

They find bones and mummies all the time. They recently did DNA analysis of a bunch of Egyptian mummies. The DNA in the bones is gone but they can extract intact dna from the inside of teeth. They settled some long standing disputes about the ethnicity of ancient Egyptians this way.

@dianadi5519

3 жыл бұрын

They worshipped synagogue of Satan and sacrificed babies. Their bloodlines run the world today

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

3 жыл бұрын

@@lookoutforchris Of course there are Egyptian mummies...the Egyptians buried their dead. But the Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans practice cremation. That's why Pompeii was such a big deal - there almost no examples of non-Egyptian civilized Mediterranean remains from that era that we can study.

@that_lebanese4747

3 жыл бұрын

We have a lot of them in Lebanon we are there descendants

1:30 "...necrpoli..." is no word. Greek "nekropolis" is "nekropoleis" in the plural.

@johnjustice8478

2 жыл бұрын

"nekropolis" City of the dead

I found it very interesting that the video just casually mentions the circumnavigation of Africa like it is no big deal, and like it is accepted fact. I personally think it is likely to have happened, but I have read that most scholars consider it a "legend" at most. But if true it is a BIG DEAL.

Is there any clue excluding for sure that people from levant known as phoenicians were Sardinian expats?

@someopinion2846

3 жыл бұрын

Not here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherden

@talon1313

3 жыл бұрын

Sardinians, were descended from Bell- Beaker culture, and were thought to be one of the Sea Peoples who brought about the end of the Bronze Age and settled in the Levant, intermingling with local, peoples

@brucetucker4847

2 жыл бұрын

Linguistic, for one. If they came from Sardinia they left no trace of it in their language.

My DNA traces back to Sardinia, which has a high concentration of Rh Negative blood. My mother had Rh Negative blood, and was Welsh. I wonder if there is a connection?

@jacobmurray4785

3 жыл бұрын

There is, I thought Welsh- like Sardinians have higher EEF DNA.

@alanschaub147

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobmurray4785 What is EEF DNA?

@simonmoorcroft1417

3 жыл бұрын

EEF = Early European Farmers. A Neolithic ("New Stone Age") population formed after the earliest farmers from Western Anatolia (Turkey) migrated into Europe. The EEF DNA admixture derives primarily from Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF) with various amounts of indigneous Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) ancestry, typically less than 10%, although it can be higher in populations around the "edges" of Europe where WHG groups may have adopted farming rather than being almost completely replaced by EEF groups. In turn EEF populations were almost entirely replaced by incoming Indo-European (or "Yamnaya") DNA lineages (especially males) during the Bronze Age -except on Sardinia apparently, according to the genetic evidence. Any modern DNA ancestry test showing small amounts of "Sardinian" DNA is actually showing that IE genetic lineages did not reach or come to dominate the Islands ancestry. This likely means that "Sardinian" equals Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry. It could also be that EEF ancestry managed to "hang-on" around the quieter and harder to reach regions of Europe just like WHG ancestry did.

@alanschaub147

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonmoorcroft1417 This does nothing to explain the higher concentration of Rh Negative DNA among select groups, or anomalies within those groups such as the Basque language being unlike any other.

@simonmoorcroft1417

3 жыл бұрын

@@alanschaub147 I was addressing Jacob's question about EEF ancestry. Replying to your questions I would say that DNA ancestry, language and culture are separate issues which can be connected or related, but not always. For example most modern Turks speak a language that originated in Siberia, likely close to Lake Baikal. Yet only 23% of modern Turks have "Turkic" DNA. Most modern Turks have an indigenous "Anatolian" genetic ancestry which dates back to at least the Neolithic yet their ancestors have spoken many languages (Hittite, Luwian, Hurrian, Persian, Greek, etc) and believed themselves to be part of many cultures and "races" over the years. Language and culture change frequently as new cultural elites arrive. Mass migrations do leave genetic traces throughout populations, where as small but important cultural elites often have a high linguistic and cultural impact but a very low genetic one. Using your own ancestry as a case I would say that the Sardinian heritage shown in your DNA reflects a trace amount of EEF ancestry that has passed down to you. Their is also clear genetic evidence that populations in Western Britain (Wales and Cornwall) retained higher amounts of genetic heritage from "earlier" waves of migrants than for example those living to the east in lowland England. This is believed to reflect the retainment of higher amounts of Neolithic farmer ancestry (EEF) as less people of Steppe Indo-European ancestry reached the periphery of the British mainland as they arrived from mainland Europe. The same could be true of the Basque population. They may represent a small isolated population in a remote location that strove to retain its cultural and linguistic identity and refused to intermarry with "foreigners" and thus accidentally retained a unique genetic heritage. A word of warning though. Rh negative ancestry may reflect retained EEF ancestry but it may also reflect the "founder effect" and "interbreeding". The founder effect is when one individual (usually a high status male) is the the direct genetic ancestor of much of a population groups elite and in turn its entire population. I am sure you understand what interbreeding is. Combine the effect of small population with limited genetic diversity in a remote location with a prohibition against intermarrying with outside genetic populations and you get a high occurrence of specific genetic traits and often hereditary genetic dieseases. We see this in modern population groups. I hope this answered some of your questions?

About the "mobility" of women. The most plausible hypotheses that comes to mind is that women were abducted en masse. In your lecture, I would have liked you to elaborate much more on that.

@brucetucker4847

2 жыл бұрын

A future geneticist might think the same thing about the sizeable influx of foreign women into the US in the late 1940s, and they'd be dead wrong.

@chetisanhart3457

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps they were empowered and moved of their own free will ? That fits my narrative.

@Micro-Moo

Жыл бұрын

I would say the conclusion on “abduction” would be too certain to be correct. It looks like specifically female kind of mobility always was one of the distinctive traits of the entire humankind. Different mechanisms of it were the routine ways of maintaining the genetic pool diversity. For example, what do you know about pre-historical forms of marriage? Do you know about “collective marriage”, that is the “marriage” between different settlement acting as separate social organisms? And do on...

@katiecoollady

9 күн бұрын

@@chetisanhart3457 lmao

Have they dug up People from the stoneage or are we talking about how long the Arabians are spred around?

mtDNA is female lineage , Ptdna should also be conducted to get the male lines ?

I seem to recall that Herodotus claimed that the kidnapping of Helen of Troy was preceded by a series of kidnappings of princesses and that he claimed the Phoenicians started it. From the information presented here, it sounds as if the Phoenicians might have been doing much more of a trade in foreign women than simply kidnapping a few princesses.

@dalegamburg8995

3 жыл бұрын

Jazzgrubssmore, foreign babes are still a hot commodity

@Evandro741

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalegamburg8995 lmaoo

@bigalsnow8199

Жыл бұрын

Wow 👌 👏 Thanks jazz. You're speculation makes this whole video worthwhile. You think like I do. The Phoenicians weren't just kidnapping princess. They were clearly among the first human flesh traffickers.

@michiganstatearchaeologyte800

Жыл бұрын

Be careful with greek HERODOTUS buddy. He went into Egypt in 450BC on an exploratory fact finding mission. He's seen egypt himself and wrote that their skin was black and and hair was curly. He wrote much that the COLCHIANS looked like the egyptians and talked of the hearsay. He tells alot of hidden truth be careful.

@bigalsnow8199

Жыл бұрын

@@michiganstatearchaeologyte800 Not a big deal. Today's scientists are telling people that All Humans were black Africans at one time and that white skin is fairly recent. The only people who don't accept this are KKK types, Neo-Nazis and non whites who are uncomfortable enough in their dark skin that they are in denial.

The city of Tyre is where the rubber hits the road

@johnjustice8478

2 жыл бұрын

And every year in the city of Tyre is a Goodyear.

Is there a Finnician , and Erin connection?

@barbarycorsair8473

Жыл бұрын

Yes Cart Hadash and Hadrian wall have a connection. Had translate to boundary in North Africa. So the the wall to us NA mean boundary of Ryan or Ryan's boundary.

Ashkenazi jews are not from Jacob's blood line. They are Converted to Judaism. And our turkish descent.

These are the sea people

@kactus_3008

Жыл бұрын

Philistines = Phoenicians? Greeks vs Cananites...

Can we get a DNA analysis on the Berbers and Egyptians?

@Chawwii

Ай бұрын

The current Berbers have the alpogroup em81 which originates from Palestine. This alpogroup is found among the Arab families of the Maghreb which could confirm that Berbers are the descendants of part of the Arabs

@Chawwii

Ай бұрын

We now know that the Arab-Berber population of the Maghreb has had many influences and therefore many mutations.

@jabu1591

Ай бұрын

@@Chawwii I can tell by your name having Dz that you aren’t educated on genetics. Em81 originates from North Africa. J1 and J2 which is from the levant are the haplogroups of the Arabs so no, Berbers don’t descend from Palestinians or Arabs

@jabu1591

Ай бұрын

@@Chawwii According to what study? They retain the Em81 haplogroup and DNA tests show a low influence by Arabs and Turks. Haplogroup testing suggests nearly 70% of the Maghreb is Berber. Arabs haplogroup occurs at a much lower frequency meaning Arabization was more so cultural than genetic. North Africans are genetically closer to other African populations like Mali or Senegal than they are to Arabs

What is the Phoenician Haplogroup ?

@danythrinbell1596

3 жыл бұрын

so many

@slimaneismailli8732

2 жыл бұрын

Iberomaurusian

it is understandable politicly but bizare you do not mention the hebrew bible as one of the sources of description of the fonecians since it is full of mention of them and the contact betwin the king hiram of tyre and king david of israel and their trade and mariage contacts betwin the states

Their boats look like Norse boats did they migrate North?

@OliverAA20

9 күн бұрын

Ireland has been linked to Phoenicians

The Phoenecians like Assyrians, Aramaics, Hebrews, Arabs, And Sumerians started out as Semitic people

@berserk9085

3 жыл бұрын

sumerian language wasn't a semitic you language expert.

@AlanAndrei

3 жыл бұрын

Sumerians had blue eyes

@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanAndrei blue eyes doesn't indicate race or ethnicity you 'expert'

@AlanAndrei

3 жыл бұрын

@@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 yes it does

@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanAndrei care to explain? I'm a Cushite Somali and I have family members with blue eyes, my grandmother has green eyes, so were Sumerians Cushites then ? One thing we know for a fact, based on linguistic scholarly evidence, is that the Sumerian language had nothing to do with indo European languages (which were literally forming 6000 years ago, around the same time sumerian had already existed and developed for millenia), in fact many scholars have already shown the linguistic similarities and relatedness of Sumerian to afroasiatic languages (Cushitic Berber Egyptian) in North East Africa

What that song at the beginning?

Northeast Vanuatu ??

I go to the point: the face of the man who appears at 3:12 is that one of an ethnic Sardinian or that of someone belonging to some other people, called into question at all costs and useful to make the Sardinians and more generally Italians more "exotic" than what they are? Does it serve to pull the sprint to some agenda that must enhance the specificities of everyone except the Europeans? Asking for a friend

@robertcrusader5019

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Just do a image search for Sardinian women. You will clearly see their origins.

@Uraia

3 жыл бұрын

No need to bother with Google images, I know the faces of the Sardinians very well since 1) I am Italian 2) I have Sardinian friends 2) I frequently spent holidays on that island The Sardinians obviously don't claim to be either Vikings, Hyperboreans or a kind of continental Obelix, but simply themselves. They have on average distinctly Mediterranean and archaic physiognomies / phenotypic characters, at times similar but not automatically superimposable to distinctly Levantine peoples. On the web everyone can find thousands of photos and videos of Sardinian village festivals, and if someone sees there masses of individuals perfectly resembling Middle Easterners, there are two cases: either he has never really seen a real Middle Eastern or he is trying to be smart. If we start playing with cherry-picking, by finding individuals with extreme characters, I can easily find blond Sardinians, who are not even that rare (see a singer like Angelo Sotgiu). And on the other hand I bet that someone would have to complain if you wanted to propose George Clooney as the individual with the most representative phenotype of the populations of British / Irish / German ancestry ... We must be careful with these messages, these studies, the same images used in them. Unfortunately I see that even very interesting and worthy of attention themes are becoming the vehicle of blatantly third-world / immigration liberal political nonsense whose purpose is not even so hidden: if you are "mixed" or not sufficiently "indigenous" to the land where you reside, you have no right to oppose waves of more or less unwanted groups, arrived illegally and with subterfuge, and you have to take it upon yourself. And while we're at it, this also serves a little to "usurp" some shreds of other people's history and culture, when one's own is a little less compelling. After all, it 's nothing new: it was the more or less similar topic exploited inappropriately for decades with the Etruscans, passed off in an interested way as "Turks" .. (when the real Turks in Anatolia had not even arrived yet). Then just one year ago the paper by Antonio and Moots was published, with some autosomal data of ancient Etruscan individuals and they plot exactly where they reside, indeed even a little further north-west (as if they were northern Italians tending towards the Iberian peninsula and southern France ...) I can hardly imagine the stomach ache of those who wanted them at all costs exotic peoples . We are Mediterraneans, South Europeans, with all our gigantic flaws, but we haven't gotten through our brains yet. Especially in the case of the Sardinians, who are very jealous of their insularity: if anyone has any doubts, go and see what their regional flag means.

@robertcrusader5019

3 жыл бұрын

@@Uraia Thank you,

@wisdomtrue2008

Жыл бұрын

@@Uraia so you don't understand anything about the genetic research behind this entire video! It literally is all explained, with graphs. But apparently you are able to disagree because "you go on holidays in Sardinia". Ahahahahahahaha

@Uraia

Жыл бұрын

@@wisdomtrue2008 I may not be very well versed in genetics, but you understand less than zero of verbal logic. Did I mention graphs? my note is about images chosen in a fraudulent way. Go hit somebody else. It's not my custom to entertain relationships or useless discussions with the stupid and ignorant woke culture of which you are a worthy representative. Go back to your bed, you silly boy

I have green eyes. Sometimes blue.

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

3 жыл бұрын

I was born with deep blue eyes. Later, a layer of green developed over the top, then flecks and a ring of goldish-yellow around the pupil. So I have three layers of colors on my eyes blue in the back, green in the center and yellow in front. Nobody's been able to tell me yet what exactly my eye color is. Getting my driver's license renewed is fun!

Hooked on Phoenics.

Carchemish or Qart Shem-esh (City of Shem)?

@THESPATHARIOS

Жыл бұрын

City of Shamash/ City of the Sun ie Heliopolis

This infinite list of haplogroup this, haplogroup that is very hard to follow because it has no context more the one or two through lines. The images do nothing to help the distinctions, they just add to the confusion with EVEN MORE alphanumeric crap. What is the point? I got nothing from it... at some point Spain got mixed into the salad and now I'm not even sure I speak English anymore!

My mother has a mitochondrial Cherokee gene called h1z1 gene and it’s thought to be linked to the Phoenicians makes sense they could have had a sea route to America’s at one point

@robertcrusader5019

3 жыл бұрын

The Minoans did indeed travel to the Great Lakes are for the extensive, high-quality copper mines. So, no wonder the Phonecians followed the same routes for the same thing.

@sanderscupac7278

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertcrusader5019 where is your proof?

@robertcrusader5019

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanderscupac7278 eos.org/articles/miners-left-pollution-trail-great-lakes-6000-years-ago

@robertcrusader5019

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanderscupac7278 chapelboro.com/town-square/columns/common-science/bronze-age-part-ii-the-case-of-the-missing-copper

@robertcrusader5019

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanderscupac7278 canada.greekreporter.com/2012/04/21/researcher-claims-ancient-greeks-made-it-to-america-before-columbus/

I’m H3g maternal haplogroup being of European descent. The N maternal haplogroup is Eurasian and now mostly East Asian. W and X is from the maternal lineage from the Medes who were in Europe.

That took what they found

Very interested to see the reaction of the triggered communtiy on this one.

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

It has already began, lol.

@jjg2243

3 жыл бұрын

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 The phoenicians are ancestors of the Irish.

@johkupohkuxd1697

3 жыл бұрын

@@jjg2243 Based on what?

Phoenicians writing was borrowed from paleo Hebrew. Why is it you did not mention any interaction and or connections with the ancient Israelites? “Phoenicians”” , canaanites, and ancient Israelites are essentially all the same people ..

@raphaelalbert8110

3 жыл бұрын

Political correctness, I suspect! But, yes, they are known as Sidonians in the biblical literature. Hence, the place called Sidon in Lebanon to this day. Relations with Israel were good, unlike today.

@yunus-emrekaplan9642

3 жыл бұрын

Proto-Sinaitic scripts are not paleo-Hebrew alphabet

@il967

3 жыл бұрын

No it wasn't. Both aleo Hebrew and Phoenician arose from proto sinaitic canaanite.

@domyandersongarcia3248

3 жыл бұрын

Israël actual kazar peuple.

@firstlast1357

3 жыл бұрын

@@domyandersongarcia3248 Khazar people are Turks, some converted to Judaism, 600 ad. Hebrews / Israelites are 2000 bc. They came from Ur , they were Sumerians. Read the bible.

The youngest blood type AB came from Medeterian region.

@billyclyde5129

3 жыл бұрын

How do you know it's the youngest?

DNA tests on the earliest settlers of the British Isles have found a close affinity with Berbers and Phoenicians. If confirmed it means that Phoenicians did not just visit Britain for tin in the centuries BC but in fact were the first to settle here thousands of years earlier. Although they sometimes called themselves Canaanites, their neighbours often called them Khumri. If you know Britain you know what that implies. I have read there are also some close parallels between the Phoenician language and early Gaelic. Those guys sure got around.

@derekpmoore

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what the Irish annals say, that the story of Ireland is the story of successive conquests by peoples from the same proto-Scythian/proto-Phoenician patrilines

@barbarycorsair8473

Жыл бұрын

​@@derekpmoore In North Africa the prefix Had in Hadrian translate to boundary. So who are the Rian???

@DavofYah

Жыл бұрын

So any idea if Phoenicians were hap group J and I?

@skylinelover9276

Жыл бұрын

Phoenicians J2 DNA Haplo group North Africa E DNA haplo group

@skylinelover9276

Жыл бұрын

@@DavofYah J2

Sardinia’s is close to Ilirjan and pelasgic peoples tho

@alanschaub147

3 жыл бұрын

Pelasgic? Fascinating!

@konstantinospolitopoulos7878

3 жыл бұрын

Adam and Eve were pelasgian!! God was also pelasgian!😉

The later people known as Phoenicians have the paternal Y haplogroups of T G R1b Q I1 I2 J1 J2 E and B. These haplogroups are also in the Jewish people.

AND HAWAII. MEXICANS INDIANS TOO. ARAB MUSLIMS TOO.

The slave trade, as horrible as it was/is, accounted for mixing genetics over vast areas. Everyone of us today has at least some of our origins linked to the slave trade. Many of the wealthiest families today can link their wealth, at least in part, to the slave trade.

@bigalsnow8199

Жыл бұрын

They were more likely human flesh trafficking with slaves as a important secondary item.

@Micro-Moo

Жыл бұрын

I would add: especially if you recall that slavery initially was a kind of big social progress. To realize that, one should do a correct comparison. When slavery was first “invented” as the mean of getting some additional economic and practical benefits from winning the war, the alternative to slavery was the total homicide of the conquered population. Slavery became possible only with a sufficient level of productive labor and the presence of additional produce. Initially, slavery was literally the way to save lives. Also, it is impossible to compare correctly different forms of slavery.

@stevethecross2727

Жыл бұрын

And 90% of it was done by their own to their own.

@rnedlo9909

Жыл бұрын

@@stevethecross2727 If I could inject a thought about your comment. I can tell you are of European decent because of the way you generalize entire populations together as if all of Africa was homogeneous and under one government. Nothing could be farther from the truth. There are more genetically diverse groups on the African continent than the rest of the world put together. There are more language groups there than the rest of the world along with political divisions. Your comment would be like saying the Turks taking slaves in Iceland was an internal action, when the two places have little in common. Study the slave trade history in depth, you will find it is much deeper and broader than the narrow slice of history we have been taught.

The Hebrew Bible talks about their neighbours the Phoenicians, who assisted building the first Temple, an accurate historical source that also mentions other cultures that were seen as mythical before archeology proved the Bible correct. They also provided sailors for Solomon's Navy, likely at quite a cost.

Ancient Israelites wrote about them too...and interacted with them quite a bit. Mostly positive diplomatic coexistence and having a shared border, trade alliances, and strong diplomacy.

@verenatuna9010

Ай бұрын

Phoenicians basically became one people with the Northern Israelites.

@nedspain9294

Ай бұрын

@@verenatuna9010 that's true, and then after the Babylonians, and the Assyrians took mass people away from those areas in waves, how they wound up re-dispursed all over. I've heard someone theorize that the Scythian origin may have involved many displaced northern israelites who escaped North around the East side of the Black Sea then into Europe

So doing the dna of the maternal linage make it much more confusing seeing that phoenicians wasnt oppose to mixing with different nations

@funkmaster2258

3 жыл бұрын

No they werent but what you end uo with after enough generations is something totally separate.

@don1ceaza

3 жыл бұрын

@@funkmaster2258 are you joking? Phoenicians didnt mix with different nations???? Bro they had ports all over the Mediterranean. Are you assuming that hannibal didnt mix with sicilians? Upon conquering that location?

@funkmaster2258

3 жыл бұрын

@@don1ceaza 2% admixture isnt permanent and gets bred out. It has to be alot more admixture to stay in the gene pool.

@funkmaster2258

3 жыл бұрын

@@don1ceaza and no body said that genius. Aside from you who cant comprehend basic english.

Personally I take everything on this channel with a grain of salt after the very misleading video on the origin of the Irish recently posted by this channel.

@josekma1

3 жыл бұрын

Can you please elaborate?

@free_gold4467

3 жыл бұрын

Everything should be taken 'with a grain of salt'.

@alexhage8092

3 жыл бұрын

You litterally just spewed some gobbledygook with 0 substance. How about you elaborate?

@raffles7556

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexhage8092 .... like literally dude!😂

@danythrinbell1596

3 жыл бұрын

orogin of the irish ? egypt atlanteans from egypt

The Phoenician alphabet did not just spread west, but very much east as well.

@Micro-Moo

Жыл бұрын

Did someone mention that it was spread west? I haven't noticed that, but it would be quite ridiculous. There was not much of the “West” at this time except Greek; most of the influence was in the East: Early Semitic, Samaritan, Syriac, Aramaic, and Brahmic branches...

@gohnjohn737

Жыл бұрын

@@Micro-Moo wym we invented the alphabet that all western languages alphabets are based on

@Micro-Moo

Жыл бұрын

@@gohnjohn737 Eventually, yes, for sure.

See how this ties with Hyksos women archeological findings in Egypt. That they existed way before the Hyksos kings took over. Also ties with the slave trade of white women.

This, not uncommon, ancient pattern of foreign women, suggests that they probably didn’t volunteer for marriage. Likely they were captured or purchased from elsewhere.

@brucetucker4847

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe got knocked up by a foreign sailor and decided to get out of town. Or maybe were very poor and saw a chance at a better life. There are lots of reasons that don't involve slavery or captivity. You still see a lot of the same today.

Funny how everyone's theories on the history of seminal civilisations seem to coincide with where the theorist was born... "They were Irish/albainian/scandinavian/israeli/iberian" etc etc. There was a vast pre-historic trade network where all peoples mixed and developed from Britain (from the phoenician for "land of tin") to Colchis and India. Chill.

@katiewever5687

2 жыл бұрын

Iberian n Irish are not Phoenician

@j.a.martir6438

Жыл бұрын

Would it be possible to conclude that the majority of slaves throughout history - ancient history, weren't from Africa?

The "Red men" were pre-Viking Vikings. They were Wikingar-like Norsemen, who brought their sheilas with 'em. Sailing generally is a pursuit of Europeans, generally, and Nords, in particular. Sailing to war is absolutely a Norse custom or those under Norse biological instruction - Greeks

@user-mp5jo6yn6o

2 жыл бұрын

No

@ghanvedsingh8946

2 жыл бұрын

Ancient mesopotamia was the cradle of humankind so you can imagine who were Phoenician and where did they come from? from where french revolutionary emperor Napoleon Bonaparte too a belongd

@ghanvedsingh8946

2 жыл бұрын

You are right Norse men were the decendants of the Greeks and pre norse men were the pre indo European Sumerians' descendents who were basically the decendants of homosepians who left Africa some hundred thousand years back

@brucetucker4847

2 жыл бұрын

Polynesians say you're wrong.

@johnjustice8478

2 жыл бұрын

Polynesians also mixed Asians with lost Vikingar. Thus are big Chinese basketball players and Japanese Samurai. All descendants of vikings. Not all sailors but all large, tall fighters, like vikings. Tall Africans pure, not mixed with vikings. Turks mixed with African tallmen.

During their the continents were closer to each other

Palestinians were also shown to have a lot of shared DNA with ancient populations in Palestine (biblical Canaan).

I usually get the lamb combo when I go to the Lebanese Kitchen... Such an interesting folk the Phoenicians I'll tell ya?

@danythrinbell1596

3 жыл бұрын

Phoenicians were not just one ethnic group , were a mix of different people Hittites Neo Hittite hurriam , Canaanites amorites you name it

I never read such nonsence commentaries in such a great subject which defies time ..Pitiful !

What did the Canaanites look like? Why are they depicted like Southern Africans?

No R1, unusual.

Caucasoids

@alexhage8092

3 жыл бұрын

Semites are still Caucasians