Pretty cool how the armorer/s took the time to line up all the flat screws.

I think that the Model 1907 Carbine is the most beautiful out of all the Mosin-Nagants. It's short and sleek.

I bet that thing throws some major fire. The M44 has a slightly longer barrel and that thing is a flash bang every time you fire. Loud as hell too.

@travishabursky4362

Жыл бұрын

My M38 is 1013mm long and it renders inner earpro nearly useless.

@Dr4gon2000

Жыл бұрын

Eh, big deal. You should get a load of my 12" sbr mosin

@profile2047

Жыл бұрын

It’s a rifle bullet.

This size complaint is true today. My son works in an US Army Battalion HQ. He has said to me that he wishes he was issued a pistol instead of his M4. The HQ is cramped and there is no good place to put them. Their primary defense is machine guns. I think as a middle ground a PDW or SMG would be better than a pistol, but if an M4 is "too big" imagine the chatter around full-sized rifles.

@christianweibrecht6555

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if smgs are still common in the US army

@h.smitty105

Жыл бұрын

@@christianweibrecht6555 To my knowledge, not really. Most have been phased out in exchange for short AR's.

@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920

Жыл бұрын

@@christianweibrecht6555 they weren’t for decades, there were some grease guns still being used in the first gulf war (tankers mainly). In the past 5ish years, the US army has adopted a B&T sun machine gun chambered in 9mm. First one since the grease gun. Lastly, at the end of the day, they aren’t all that much smaller than an M4, which was the argument for years as to why one wasn’t adopted.

@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344

Жыл бұрын

@@christianweibrecht6555 They are not.

@Dumbo8234

Жыл бұрын

The problem isn't just size, carbines and SMGs (usually) can't be worn, so even if you got a really compact one, its still tricky to make sure its always within reach.

If you're an artillery man and then came the moment when you have to use your PDW then you're pretty much Foxtrot Uniform.

@sanders194539

Жыл бұрын

In many conflicts, artilleryman end up doing many other tasks besides manning artillery guns. This is particularly true of unconventional conflicts, but even in conventional conflicts, artilleryman can easily find themselves in close combat.

@RomaNovikov1980

Жыл бұрын

В ПМВ у царской армии большинство артиллеристов были в полевой артиллерии.

I'd be willing to bet that there are several 1907 Mosins out in the countryside still hunting dinner as a family hunting gun. It'd be amazing to know if there were.

@jameshagerman7681

Жыл бұрын

The same can probably be said for most late 19th and early 20th century military rifles

@billdoetree4313

Жыл бұрын

Statistics say it's a strong possibility. I still drop deer with a 1940 Winnie model 1894 30-30. So why not a Russian fellas hunting with one of these? I say it's gotta be almost certain dozens of not hundreds still serve as family rifles.

@Kesssuli

Жыл бұрын

@@billdoetree4313 Well when taking account how many of those mosin pattern rifles were used in wars it is not even remotely strange. After war even on Finland mosin was more common to found from house than not. And those were definelty used to hunt even it being illegal before that ban was lifted. So when we take things in perspective. In Eastern europe and definelty in russia those rifles are still serving their owners in multiple generations. 7.62x54r is still more than enough to put down a moose and it will keep doing it until end of times.

@billdoetree4313

Жыл бұрын

@@Kesssuli agreed.

@andrewstraub131

Жыл бұрын

@@TheVerinen2 you should watch the forgotten weapons episode on Russian gun ownership there are some things in there that surprised me

I've seen photos to suggest that at least some of these were included in Russia's sales to the Fengtian Clique in the 1920s. If so, I wonder how many made it over there.

@ForgottenWeapons

Жыл бұрын

Interesting - could you send me those photos, or links to them? admin@forgottenweapons.com

I gotta say I really like the idea of those sights. They seem much better than the standard shallow U-notch and square post arrangement.

Great job with the close ups, really gives a feel of a gun

Imagine trying to do CQB with a friggin Mosin Nagant.

@genghiskhan6809

Жыл бұрын

I’d rather have a single action army or even better yet an M1911 for CQB.

@dorsk84

Жыл бұрын

If you get into CQB with a Mosin you are doing something wrong. But that said, with the bayonet attached you can either use it as a pike or a javelin.

@jameslawrie3807

Жыл бұрын

For trench raiding it was probably better than the long rifle. As an added benefit when you fire it the concussion blows the enemy troops out of the trench.

@garypiont6114

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever learn about bayonets!

@bigredwolf6

Жыл бұрын

Yea, but what if you had four Mosins?

Great stuff! Thanks for putting in the time to do the tedious research.

If I only had one more Mosin! Thanks for this, Ian, one of my favorite rifles.

@samiam619

Жыл бұрын

I’ll trade you my Mosins for any S. American Mauser you got!

This sort of video is very valuable. Letting an expert like Ian point out all the significant features of a piece and its history informs viewers and visitors to museums in a way that the institutions couldn't possibly permit their exhibits to be handled generally. (The Royal Armoury has Jonathan, but not all museums have such resources.)

I think I heard on C&Rsenal many of these shorter Mosins were disliked due to very bad accuracy. So you get a monster rifle sighted with the long bayonet on, or a handy rifle that doesn’t shoot straight at all. Or no rMosin because you know, WW1 Russia.

@onmilo

Жыл бұрын

I believe the poor accuracy complaints were more likely attributed to excessive muzzle blast and flash combine with a light and stout recoiling gun causing flinching on an epic scale rather than poor gun or barrel design.

@michaelmoorrees3585

Жыл бұрын

@@worldcure7883 - Like most statistics, it includes poorly trained conscripts. Its similar to the effectiveness of a condom, which includes idiots not using them, and keeping them in their wallets.

This is definitely one of the best channels on KZread

the M1907 is great - love the two I have.

Now thats a mosin carbine! Its kinda what i expected if they "officially" carbine'd the mosin

@simplymadness8849

Жыл бұрын

Implying the M38 and M44 aren’t official carbines?

@noahboat580

Жыл бұрын

@@simplymadness8849 i dont know either tbh

@jackrambit9637

Жыл бұрын

@@noahboat580 the m38 and m44 are mosin carbines manufactured by the soviets

@notahotshot

Жыл бұрын

@@simplymadness8849, he didn't "imply" anything of the sort. He explicitly stated that this is what he would expect.

@simplymadness8849

Жыл бұрын

@@notahotshot By explicitly stating that this is what an official carbine looks like he implies the other carbines are somehow unofficial. No matter how you interpret it, it’s a weird statement.

Short Mosins kick hard and you have to lean forward to avoid lighting your boot laces.

Great video as always. I have a M1907 1st pattern dated 1912 with serial number 22002. The sights go up to 1900 arshin but it has a stock recoil bolt.

Thank you so much for diving into the details and making such pure content. Absolutely fantastic deep dive.

I swear I'm accidentally following you Ian, went to Leeds week after you posted videos there (planned trip before the video), now I'm off to Brussels next week and this video comes out!

Every video from Ian makes my day better

I love that after making an attempt to create an official short handy rifle they thought "nah better not"... and then a few troops in the field to decide to do it themselves and cut their rifles down to an obrez.

@MiniPainterGamerDadD20

Жыл бұрын

The Obrez is such an awful weapon. It's better than a rock but not by much.

@TotalRookie_LV

Жыл бұрын

Obrez is not exactly a weapon for troops, it's an iconic weapon of Russian Civil War era gangs.

@genghiskhan6809

Жыл бұрын

Obres pistols were mainly used as a stop gap because they had a shortage of handguns.

@Gameprojordan

Жыл бұрын

@@TotalRookie_LV and ww2 partisan groups in eastern Europe

I spent most of my army career in support positions. Everyone was issued a full length M16 no matter what their MOS was.

@mskills821

Жыл бұрын

That kinda sucks, doesn't it? Or was the M16 really light enough to carry all the time?

@DSS-jj2cw

Жыл бұрын

@@mskills821 it was too long for service support positions

@DSS-jj2cw

Жыл бұрын

@@mskills821 It was light, especially the A1 but with a 20 inch barrel was ungainly.

@bigredwolf6

Жыл бұрын

I liked the M16 with Iron Sights. Then we got M4s with CCOs and hated it because I wasn’t used to it. After I shot it enough to get good I stopped hating it.

@DSS-jj2cw

Жыл бұрын

@@bigredwolf6 Never used the M4. I used tbe M16A1 from 1984 to 88. I then used the A2 until 2006.

Man, thats going to throw a good fireball with a full velocity cartridge!! No-one likes shooting beside me when I'm using my M44 in competitions, as the muzzle flash puts them off lol :)

That muzzle blast must be insane

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

It is

I love how compact and cute this Mosin carbine but not not as cursed as the same time like the 'Obrez'

That carbine is good for cavalry. Especially for cossacs. They had model of mosin without bayonet. As cavalry had shahka and pikes. I think thats one of them.

Made usable as machine gunners and artillerymen would already be half deaf, meaning the world blurring concusion and muzzle flash are no issue?

I was thinking about how the reg. Infantry could engage enemy out to those extended ranges, but artillery would use the rifles only at closer ranges. Anything further, they would just shell them. So another reason not to have a full length rifle.

I'm a real fan of your videos Ian. Carry on!

You're right they are handy and fun to shoot....If you're into BDSM. Tatiana the dominatrix's whip has nothing on firing 100 rounds through any of the Mosin carbine variants.

@theodoreheintz7891

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but with the cost of ammo nowadays hiring a dominatrix is cheaper. I mean I heard it was cheaper. 😇😂

@theodoreheintz7891

Жыл бұрын

That's what Hunter said and he was talking to stelter at the time so I guess you could consider it reliable sources. 😂😇

@ianfinrir8724

Жыл бұрын

She ain't a prom queen, she's a biker chick.

man been looking for nothing special but to find one that's not junk been hard

For as much has changed in the world a carbines are still a fire breathing kicker.

A hold-out weapon with sights graduated to over a mile? Mkay. 🤣

Dammit, as someone who loves his M44, I can't help but find these really cool.

So they basically made a M44 without a bayonet 37 years early.

@zacharyrollick6169

Жыл бұрын

Don't you mean M38?

@simplymadness8849

Жыл бұрын

Not really.

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyrollick6169 the folding bayo on the M44 was dangerous to the shooter if left folded. Not to mention the recoil and muzzle blast.

@zacharyrollick6169

Жыл бұрын

@@eloiseharbeson2483 I am in fact an M44 owner.

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyrollick6169 I like that you call yourself an "owner" rather than a shooter. I couldn't sell my two off quickly enough after I had shot them.

Amazing Ian love your videos

@fraserbrinley2993

Жыл бұрын

I used to own a mosin carbine it was snappy

I wonder if he'll talk about any of the Polish Circle Mosins

A sight market in paces? Now that, is unusual!

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

Pretty typical for 91 Mosins. I don't think meter marked sights were used before the 91/30.

Thanks Ian.

Sad to hear that these were in limited production and not popular. These would've been really nice for cavalary units or cossacks. Sure theres the dragoon model, but i feel this one would be more handy

I'd love one of these

Beautiful weapon

I would bet the fireball coming from that thing when being fired is absolutely blinding...lol

Maybe some of those guys who dig up battlefield relics will find some on the eastern front.

@bigredwolf6

Жыл бұрын

Or they’ll just get blown up by UXOs

Great for creating a blinding flash and a ear splitting blast! It is like an old fashioned flash bulb going off in your face when you shoot it at night!

I like the look of nes of that. Reminiscent of a Hawkins style BP rifle.

3:20 Arshin was defined as exactly 28 inches (71.12 cm) quite a bit shorter than a meter.

beautiful rifle

The Beltway Bandits Mat 👍🪘

I absolutely love the mosin, just cause your likely to see one in every modern conflict to date. Yea it’s not Mauser blah blah but boi is it a conflict work horse.

Interesting rifle!

Fun fact: by royal decree tsar Peter the Great established the arshin to be 28 English inches.

@Alex1vu

Жыл бұрын

There's no exact documentary confirmation wether it was established by The Peter, or was common measurement tradition among some european nations. English measures repeat some ancient russian one to some extent. Last and the only time the clarification of arshin was approved 1835 with some other measures by Russian royal academy of sciences (mechanic Girgenson, Academician Kupfer). That's the only documents on topic.

It's pretty interesting that more than a hundred thousand guns just straight vanished. I wonder what they did with them. Maybe they're in some forgotten arms warehouse somewhere. If any parts were interchangeable (maybe the bolt?) I'd guess these were stripped for parts and/or melted down maybe.

@AshleyPomeroy

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading somewhere that the consistent use of 7.62mm across their different small arms meant that the Russians could take rifle barrels and easily convert them for submachine guns and pistols. I wonder if that's what happened to the barrels.

@Dominic1962

Жыл бұрын

Combat losses are probably the main thing. Then, refurbishment. In this case, if they needed a barrel they probably just got turned into a Dragoon.

@thedwightguy

Жыл бұрын

@@AshleyPomeroy that high end steel went somewhere............anywhere.......and was needed everywhere in Russian after BOTH wars.

My theory as to why so few of these exist today, of which I have exactly zero evidence to back up, is that because these rifles were standard actions, they just converted them into the standard pattern and shipped them off to war. You have a few hundred thousand rifles that are too short to be used? Make them longer and use them.

@broitsmikey

Жыл бұрын

Can't be backed up, but I agree it seems to be a logical explanation

Thank you.

I wonder how many got refitted as 91/30s. The Soviets would just do stuff to conform. I have an M38, wartime production with a sniperskaya bolt handle, shoots great, like to think it was a field mod for mounted troops.

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

On a Mosin bolt the critical component is the separate bolt head itself. The rest of the bolts were broadly interchangeable.

Used to own two of these

3:16 Ah yes, the Arshin. Indeed roughly equivalent to a Pace.

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

If you have ever marched far you would appreciate that most marchers' strides were about the same as their height. 28" suggests short, wide, tough armored guys carrying loads.

Interesting. This video taught me something about RU language I didn't know. (I have studied it for about 5 years, my teacher is Ukranian). I noticed it was stamped as "ижевскiй" which is the factory (adj form of Ижевск). I hadn't realised that the Russians dropped the letter i from their alphabet in 1917. Ukraine still uses it in their alphabet so had to double take when I saw the stamping! Always wanted a mosin but ammo is expensive in 54r here in Australia.

@bigredwolf6

Жыл бұрын

Leave Australia and emigrate to the US. Sure, ammo can be expensive here too. Just not as expensive. Plus the Pacific is looking spicy right now.

@_b_x_b_1063

Жыл бұрын

После революции грамматику упростили для упрощения обучения грамотности населения

@dwishs

Жыл бұрын

Not just the "і," but the "Ѣ" and the "Ѳ" too. This is all part of the language reform of 1918, which included not only the abandonment of these letters, but also modified spelling and language rules.

When Ivan wants to graduate from pole vaulting to dwarf tossing

Does this have any relation ship to the 1944 carbine or was that a clean sheet design? If so did the designers know about this one?

@ForgottenWeapons

Жыл бұрын

They certainly knew about these; they were made by the same factories. But the M44 (and M38) were based on the 91/30, not the M91.

@keithplymale2374

Жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Ian I knew you would the facts at hand.

So what changed between 1913 and '38? Was it different powders (faster burn rates?) or did they just decide that the flash and thunder was worth it?

@christopherreed4723

Жыл бұрын

If I remember my Mosin trivia correctly, the original spitzer bullet weighed in at around 180 grains, similar to today's "heavy" loads for 7.62x54R. But by 1938 the changes made to the rifle and it's ammunition during the 1930 review were already in effect. The standard rifle round was a 147gr spitzer bullet, with the 180gr load limited to "heavy" machine guns. This continued until after WW2, when the 180gr bullet was discontinued for military use entirely. As an aside, that change is why both the SVD and the PSL will beat themselves to death in short order if you feed them 180gr loads and haven't done something to the gas system to compensate for the increased pressure and recoil. They were only ever built for 147gr ammo, because that's the only kind the military issued.

Very cute rifle. Unfortunately the only example on Gunbroke is very expensive.

my grandpa left me one of these... had no idea it was rare! how much do they run for?

@samiam619

Жыл бұрын

If in Exc. condition, 1800 down to 500 for poor condition. 2016 Standard Catalog of Military Firearms. Of course your mileage may differ…

@bigredwolf6

Жыл бұрын

Whatever someone is willing to pay for it

Please make a video on the Obrez "pistol" Mosin Nagants! One of my favorites :D

@edwalmsley1401

Жыл бұрын

I think Karl on inrange tv did already A while ago,can't remember if Ian was on that video though

My first thought upon looking at that carbine was: "That's going to kick like a mule."

Looks just like my 1942 M38 minus the sights

I bet it launches a massive flame

weird, just had a dream last night I was shooting a Mosin carbine

Also fun fact ppd 1929 smg use seim back sides like this mosin

OG SHORTY

Is.... is that an m-lok slot on the front?!

Russian logic: Mosin M91 with 31.5 inch barrel: too long, too inconvenient. M91/30 with 29 inch barrel: rifle is compact modern short rifle, good for another 20 years service 👍

@Russkiman96

Жыл бұрын

Actually makes a lot of sense when you are making upwards of millions of rifles and also have millions of older m91 pattern rifles that need to be converted to metric ranging to be standardized. M91 ranged in arshins with no hooded front sights and was designed for the older round nose ammo. m91/30 has hooded front sights is ranged in meters and is designed for more modern ammo.

@DefunctYompelvert

Жыл бұрын

@@Russkiman96 yeah true, makes sense since they ditched things like the original finger rest to cut costs

The long indentation on the stock in front of the magazine with the metal "button" at the back. What is that for?

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

Those are finger grooves. The "button" is the recoil bolt that keeps the stock from splitting by this gun's stout recoil.

@mancroft

Жыл бұрын

@@eloiseharbeson2483 Excellent. Thank you.

I had a M44 carbine.... sumbitch kicked like a mule.

Would a standard mosin Nagant bayonet attach to the rifle? Since they just lock onto the front sight and don’t need a bayonet lug?

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

I believe so. But so many Soviet troops tossed their bayonets as useless weight that the folding bayo M44 was developed just to prevent that.

@Dominic1962

Жыл бұрын

No. The socket of the bayonet is too long as the stock goes almost to the front sight.

Well, Mosin rifle, the OG one, the Long-Boy, is a good paddle. Or spear.

My fave is m94 and argentine engineers.

Thnx, Ian. I've always been thinking that Nagant based carbines were introduced only in 1938 (without bayonet, for artillery men, heavy machine gun crews and so on) and in 1944 (folding bayonet, general infantry service, handier than true rifle).

Dear Ian, thanks for the video! But can i correct you, and not only you, but nearly all of western small arms reviewers; the mosin rifles' and carbines' rear sights weren't in arshins, they were in footsteps, it is signed in "наставление по стрелковому делу. Винтовка образца 1891-года" and "наставление по стрелковому делу. Винтовка Мосина образца 1891/30-го года" shooting instructions! If you want, i can share a digital copy of this instruction with you

Wait, only *two dozen???* Lmao we’ve just had one of these sitting at my grandpa’s house since my Dad was a kid cause an old Polish gas station owner gave it to him xD

@NOLIFENECKBEARD

Жыл бұрын

Yeah bro look up mosin rarities they have a whole chart from 1 to 10 these are like a 9 or 10

How exactly does a "recoil lug" or "action lug" work? I looked it up, but didn't quite understand how it is actually set up, especially in the case of this Mosin carbine...🙃

@eloiseharbeson2483

Жыл бұрын

The Mosin has a separate bolt head that locks into the receiver. The bolt itself is never stressed by recoil.

@ForgottenWeapons

Жыл бұрын

It spreads the recoil force out in the stock instead of letting it be concentrated at the point of the rear receiver tang. It doesn't reduce felt recoil at all, just reduces the likelihood of the stock cracking.

@guidor.4161

Жыл бұрын

@@eloiseharbeson2483 Thanks!

@guidor.4161

Жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Many thanks, got it!

Dumb question. What would a Obrez be (Legally) classified as? Pistol, sawed off, PDW, SBR? Would I have to pay the ATF tax stamp? Would a “pistol brace” make it a assault weapon?

@denisonsmock5456

Жыл бұрын

@@kwestionariusz1 I mean more in a legal sense, like would it be restricted due to some weird law.

@andrewstraub131

Жыл бұрын

It would be either short barreled rifle or possibly a destructive device depending on configuration I believe

@andrewstraub131

Жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine you are correct I misspoke I meant there was a possibility of it being aow because it’s a catch all for shit the atf doesn’t know what to do with

I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few of these amongst DPR conscripts

I see gun broker has one on up for auction.

Less than 8 min video, not even enough time to take my morning dump W/O scrolling

How did the museum fare doing WW 2?

Were there other rifles like this one. A cute rifle.

@jameslawrie3807

Жыл бұрын

Around that time there's two. The first is the 'Cossack Rifle' and is 64 mm (2.5 in) shorter as is the 'Dragoon Rifle'. The Cossack rifle has no bayonet lug unlike the Dragooner as the Cossacks carried a sabre ('Shashka'). As you can see they're both for cavalry and are still fairly large rifles After that you have to wait until the M1938 carbine which is again a shorter weapon and was replaced by the M44 carbine which had a folding bayonet. This last one kinda replaces the long Mosin-Nagant around that time.

@sealove79able

Жыл бұрын

@@jameslawrie3807 Thank you. Were there similar Mauser SMLE Arisaka Carcano rifles?

@jameslawrie3807

Жыл бұрын

@@sealove79able Yeah, I think so. From what I gather (I could be wrong, there's a lot of stories about Mosins) they were valued by the troops that got them.

@KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@sealove79able In WW2, there was the SMLE No. 5 Mk1(I think?) "Jungle Carbine"

@sealove79able

Жыл бұрын

@@jameslawrie3807 Thank you.

What's the technical difference between carbine and short rifle? Also, the sights go out to 2000 paces? If the Russian measure was anywhere close to meter or yards, that's a long way off. Since these were "support troops", they probably weren't used for volley fire, so did they really think they would hit anything at that distance? Maybe I misunderstood something.

@saltmeiner8910

Жыл бұрын

An arshin is about 71cm or 28" about that of a long stride

@williamromine5715

Жыл бұрын

@@saltmeiner8910 Thanks for the info. So, that's a little over 1500 yards and a little short of 1500 meters. What would they expect to hit at that distance?

What is a recoil lug?

Is there known history of this rifle and how it end up in Belgium?

4:56 "No bayonet lug of course, these carbines weren't intended to be used with bayonets" BOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOO

Powder too

"Moist Nugget" owners always believe that their rifle is rare and special and worth twice the market value. I usually tell them that mine has vasily zaytsev's fingerprints on it

@MlLKMAN

Жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine you never know, you might find one at a garage sale. About 18 years ago a friend of mine picked up an ultra rare K98 Mauser at a yard sale in rural Idaho for a few hundred that sold for over $20k on that popular auction site. It didn't even have the right stock, or it was damaged or modified, don't remember all the details anymore. It was a standard infantry rifle with a serial number and manufacturer that made it a unicorn.

@Dominic1962

Жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Even amongst m91/30’s there are much less common variants than something like a ‘42 or ‘43 Izhevsk.

@Gameprojordan

Жыл бұрын

@@MlLKMAN pre soviet mosins are actually very uncommon. The most common variants in the states are whatever was left over in america when a few companies had a contract to produce full sized m91s to tsarist Russia during ww1. These in country designs are very rare because the soviets kept reusing them once they came to power and then converted almost all of them to 91/30s. Not the same as a German ww2 K98 rifle which many US soldiers brought back as war trophies, and many gun companies would buy bulk crates of these guns and then sell them for dirt cheap for a while after the war aswell. so I'm not surprised you found one in the middle of nowhere in the US

@MlLKMAN

Жыл бұрын

@@Gameprojordan in 2003 I picked up a 1927 hex receiver izsvesk for 70 bucks at a gun show 🙂I still have that thing

@MlLKMAN

Жыл бұрын

it ended up selling for 20k because the bidders were high end collectors who figured out based on the serial number and manufacturer that the rifle could be associated with a historical event during WW2. I am sorry for not knowing all the details, all I can say that I saw the auction end with my own eyes at 20k.

Oh yeah, my fav on Enlisted Moscow playing Soviets.

I mean... come on. Does it get more beautiful than this?

Greetings from Hungary! Excuse me for being a smartass,but 508 mm equals 20 inches.

I haved one and it is nise for shoot but not the most acured thing what is a sheim