THEY HAD MERRIN FALL FOR A RANDOM STORMTROOPER?!!?!?!?! They did Cal and Merrin so damn dirty. That said, I do love the idea of Cal slowly losing his sense of humanity and actually becoming filled with battle-lust over time. What happens to a man who represents an order dedicated to peace, forced to fight in a galaxy where even lowly gangs have hundreds of troops to throw at him? Would make an interesting storyline in my opinion.

@sentientmustache8360

Жыл бұрын

They’re teasing the idea of him doing things that were taboo for the Jedi, like using a blaster for example, maybe this’ll go further and make him flirt with the dark side a little

@seriousnesstv7902

Жыл бұрын

@@sentientmustache8360 stop right there. This is Anakin, Dooku, Ezra all over again.

@butnobodycame7022

Жыл бұрын

@@seriousnesstv7902 also Mace

@Theology.101

Жыл бұрын

would’ve been sick if it was explicit instead of external :/

@seriousnesstv7902

Жыл бұрын

@@butnobodycame7022 And Qui Gon

A main character that talks about peace and justice while murdering hunderts, random sex jokes and a plot that doesnt really matter. This sounds exactly like a Bayformers movie in book form.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

At least we _knew_ what the Bayformers were going for!

@Klinker0913

Жыл бұрын

Hey, bayformers have some kickass action scenes

@infinitespace2520

Жыл бұрын

The thing is that Bayformers was actually good

@jaydonmagan4694

Жыл бұрын

@@infinitespace2520 The action scenes were good. The story, writing, and characterization was absolute shit. And it shows as Michael Bay made more and more Transformers movies. And it all culminated with the worst of the Bay films, The Last Knight. It’s why the Bumblebee movie was changed into a soft reboot during its production, given how bad The Last Knight’s reception was. And it’s why Hasbro’s going in with a new direction, started by the Bumblebee storyline, with Transformers: Rise of the Beasts. Though we’ll still have to wait and see if Hasbro and Steven Caple Jr. can pull off the new movie.

@infinitespace2520

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydonmagan4694 Bro, you didn't need to write an essay to say exactly what was already thinking, what I meant was that they were actually pretty fun. I know they're absolute shit, but they're so extremely bad that they're good fun.

I was kinda just disappointed to see Merrin was shipped with someone else. I really liked her and Cal’s dynamic and it’s sad to see the interesting points of view for a Jedi and a Nightsister forming that kind of connection going to waste. Also, poor Merrin is totally ruined here. I liked her in the game. Not in this book.

@Salem-1610

Жыл бұрын

If I had a nickle for everytime a witch with a Slavic accent and a thing for red was done dirty, I'd have two nickles, which isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened twice. Edit: Nevermind. Merrin is saved! Woohoo!

@jojosworlds1208

Жыл бұрын

​@@Salem-1610 What was the first time?

@Salem-1610

Жыл бұрын

@@jojosworlds1208 Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness.

@ultraviolet540

Жыл бұрын

@@MrWill9002 didn’t Tina Ivlev hint that they would have a romance?

@jakobrenner2230

Жыл бұрын

It’s a tie-in book. I don’t really expect the game writers to follow through with it as most people will not read it anyway. Sam Maggs probably knew this too, so she basically did what she wanted.

I know nothing about the book or about the author. Let me guess, the Stormtrooper is a self insert who is smart enough to manipulate the crew into doing exactly what she wants. When found out, she apologizes with no hard feelings.

@perosinalmc7143

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much what happens lol

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

Didn't something like that happen in Wraith Squadron... of course there were a lot of hard feelings and the "Stormtrooper" had to get out of dodge... as it's pretty hard to dodge blaster bolts not fired by Strormtroopers...

@ultraviolet540

Жыл бұрын

Bro its literally a Wattpad X Reader

@granalmirantethrawn2972

Жыл бұрын

How did you know? Damn

@PerfectTyler

Жыл бұрын

@@granalmirantethrawn2972 Mondern media is becoming distressingly predictable.

So my take away is that they did the whole nuance of Cal and Merrin and the rest of the crew being lost people finding comfort in each other dirty, and wrote a lesbian fanfic with no build up to make it feel real, using every shallow and cringey plot point under the sun.

@rogeliosanchez8883

Жыл бұрын

That's sam maggs writting my friend :/

@_MaZTeR_

Жыл бұрын

Hahhahhahahah this has Disney Star Wars written all over it.

@guardianofthehill

Жыл бұрын

@@_MaZTeR_ Dude, Jedi Fallen Order is Disney Star Wars too. So is the Mandalorian, Andor, the Bad Batch, etc. This book doesn't have "Dsney Star Wars" written all over it. It has "Disney Star Wars Movies" written all over it

@_MaZTeR_

Жыл бұрын

@@guardianofthehill Yes, and the sequels and the crap shows from last year are also Disney. What's your point?

@granalmirantethrawn2972

Жыл бұрын

​@@_MaZTeR_ you are the one who don't see the point, there are good writing stories under Disney SW, like JFO, mid to lame writing, like the sequels, and then we have disasters like this book

This is the first time i heard a youtuber apologise for being sick and i can actually tell theyre sick. Isnt super distracting though, get well soon buddy!

I think the problem with a lot of contemporary writing really "feeling like fan-fiction" comes down to the fact that it feels like a photocopy of a photocopy. The experience the authors draw for inspiration entirely comes from pre-existing games, books, and movies. There's nothing wrong with inspiration - Mass Effect is one of my favorite franchises of all time, and it was very heavily inspired by Star Wars. Star Wars was inspired by Flash Gordon. But look at Mass Effect: Andromeda, for example. The writers were clearly trying SO HARD to make that feel like a classic ME game and give the audience the same relationship with the new characters as they had with the old ones. It came off as lacking in sobriety, overly campy, and really didn't take itself seriously at all. The author fails to manage their own expectations, and works backwards.

@daveyjoneslocker4703

Жыл бұрын

DUUUUUDE I have come to the exact same conclusion regarding a lot of media. My epiphany that resulted in this conclusion was in fact because of BioWare. Original BioWare devs grew up playing and reading the classics. Tabletop RPG’s, Berserk, Conan, D&D and Tolkien and likely other true classical literature. And when digital entertainment and gaming came to prominence, what they gave us was a direct fresh adaptation of the source. But now we have a generation of authors and devs that grew up on media that was inspired by media that was inspired by the true classics. A photocopy of a photocopy as you say. I have had this exact thought man, I’m just stoked to see it reflected elsewhere.

@roadhouse6999

Жыл бұрын

@@daveyjoneslocker4703 You make a good point about tabletops. I've never played D&D or Warhammer 40k or any other tabletops, personally, but considering that those are kind of created on the fly by the players, there's a higher demand for creativity. I think it goes beyond the media you consume, though. We all need to go outside more. Too many of us start our adult lives in a university and don't go very far beyond that. I hate to make a "these goddamn kids today" post (normally I'm ageist in the other direction) but it's hard not to draw that conclusion when games have teams of elite soldiers that act like members of a college club. My generation lived through 9/11, the Great Recession, and COVID. I know we're better than this.

@daveyjoneslocker4703

Жыл бұрын

@@roadhouse6999 yep I agree there as well. Our generation have less real life experience and interpersonal relationships to draw upon when attempting to tell stories. It’s just a byproduct of us spending more time on screens and alone. I’m not even laying blame at the feet of millennials, but awful millennial writing is a byproduct of our behaviors, and our behaviors are a byproduct of the environment we live in.

It's so bad the awkward sexual parts seemed so forced into the story

@onlygoodgamesofficial

Жыл бұрын

wrote by a woke sjw

@ultraviolet540

Жыл бұрын

It’s literally a Wattpad X Reader

@liquidsword601

Жыл бұрын

Especially since the first game was devoid of anything sexual(which wasn’t a bad thing), makes it even more jarring.

@Wizard_Pikachu

Жыл бұрын

Wish more SW KZreadrs talked about how trash this book is

This book was so horrific, I was so deeply disappointed that I don’t acknowledge it as canon. And don’t forget, there was a scene where Cal was locked out of his room while Merrin was with the stormtrooper. He fell asleep on the table…😢 Merrin doesn’t deserve Cal. I’ll just say it like that.

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you

@RandyAndyShow

Жыл бұрын

wait so Merrin locked Cal out of his own room so her and the other lady could have "adult" time?

@kkhasthoughts2712

Жыл бұрын

@@RandyAndyShow Yes… that literally happens in the book.

@RandyAndyShow

Жыл бұрын

@@kkhasthoughts2712 wow... what an author lmao

@thegoldavenger.3829

Жыл бұрын

Wait cal was basically cucked by a female stormtrooper?

Unfortunate. I remember the tie-in books for the prequels fondly, explaining and expanding upon the rather barebones story told in the movies themselves.

@Lunar_Pendragon

Жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking the Prequels had a barebones story lol. Only someone who doesn't know their cinema would think this.

@fiercelypolygons3696

Жыл бұрын

@@Lunar_Pendragon They actually do though lol. People just are blinded by nostalgia. Not in terms of story, but more like the writing and dialogue.

@guerilla_gorilla6267

Жыл бұрын

@@Lunar_Pendragon they absolutely do have a barebones story LMAOOO Plagueis as a novel is one of the best pieces of Star Wars media, but it serves to illustrate the 12D chess Palpatine needs to go through to enact his plan. The prequels needed so much fleshing out, and I say that as someone who loves the prequels

@EGRJ

Жыл бұрын

Rather fond of the Ep 3 book. But I already liked Stover's prior work.

@VulturePilot

Жыл бұрын

The problem with the PT isn’t enough story it’s that there’s enough characters and situations to fill two trilogies but they tried to fit it into one

The moment they did my boi Cal AND Merrin dirty ffs

@ninja1man4u

Жыл бұрын

For real

@_MaZTeR_

Жыл бұрын

This has The Last Jedi written all over it.

@ImperialTrooperProductions

Жыл бұрын

The Moment Cal and Merrin basicly get together in the end of the book. People can have multiple relationships in a lifetime, getting upset about Merrin's "affair" here is more than ridiculous imo

@advena996

Жыл бұрын

​@@ImperialTrooperProductions if your partner cheats on you, that's going to change the dynamic between you and your partner, even if you move past it. It's never going to be quite the same as it was before, and that's what people are upset about.

@ImperialTrooperProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@advena996 Cal and Merrin are not in an Relationship. Where does She Cheats on him?

Glad I didn't pick it up. All the praise I saw seemed to be using buzzwords like "Adult" "Gamie" and "Returning characters" but nothing that tells us what's happened to made it worth reading, like maybe Merrin develops or it follows the side plot of Greez owing money. Anyways good video and very informative.

Stop giving these stories to glorified fanfic authors. Sam Maggs is exactly the kind of person I was expecting to be behind this monstrosity

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

I consider Dave and Jon to be glorified fanfic writers 🤠🤣

@LoganGrimmnar

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-yq9im9dk9z OK 🤡

@jeezed2950

Жыл бұрын

Everyone under Disney is. Dave filoni is one of the worst of the bunch his writing and characters are pure shit and everyone thinks he is the successor to Lucas.

@FrozenJedi38

Жыл бұрын

@@user-yq9im9dk9z 🤡

@sturm9087

Жыл бұрын

@@user-yq9im9dk9z must have been a fan of the last jedi

I was hoping this book would be more about the core three greeze, cere and cal but to find out its some love story for merrin of all characters, she doesnt need a love interest, she needs time to heal from the past devastion.

Unbelievable. They were clearly building up to a relationship between Cal and Merrin in _Jedi Fallen Order,_ and this random glorified fanfiction just throws it out the window for a boring side-character that comes out of nowhere!?! This has me concerned for the story of _Jedi Survivor,_ which we still don't know a whole lot about.

Bruv, I was hoping for a merrin cal thing, not Merrin and a random bootleg stormtrooper that popped out of nowhere. Edit: As I have analyzed the whole fiasco I just can’t believe that she fell for a stormtrooper that can’t even hit anything let alone hit on merrin.

@Action-Jackson2025

Жыл бұрын

Me too, man. Me too. 😢

@Jmad643

Жыл бұрын

She can still be with Cal as she is pansexual.

@stephen8805

Жыл бұрын

@@Jmad643 No one cares about that. Doesn’t matter who it is, people want Cal with Merrin. Anyone else is unacceptable.

@t-ro6176

Жыл бұрын

Ong bro literally dropped the bag

@Capacitygear55

Жыл бұрын

@@Jmad643 yo bro what pisses me off is the random stormtrooper that just popped out of thin air and was shipped with Merin.

Bro why does Disney hire a billion different writers. Just stick with a team of competent writers and we wouldn’t have this issue.

Sam Maggs is a HORRIBLE writer. Why do they keep giving her work!? Honestly, Merrin and Cal would have made sense considering there were pretty blatant hints in the first game that they might like each other.

The moment they chose fifth brother as the main villain was already a bad sign for this book, but Merrin ending up with some random ass stormtrooper just confirms this was a complete waste

I'm about a third of the way through this book and it is incredibly jarring to read. You'll go from really juvenile writing to steamy adult situations in 0 seconds flat. My girlfriend listened to a snippet of the Audible book and she thought I pulled the story from Wattpad. Another detail I noticed is the author was really fond of swearing every chance she got. It seemed like the characters would swear in their internal monologue once per paragraph. It read weird and it felt weird. The author also used some of our modern real world slang (eg a character had a "big brain moment") and it was super bizarre. Honestly I don't know if I can finish this book. Thankfully I got it for free using an Audible trial so I've lost nothing but time.

@Veilwing

Жыл бұрын

bro the swearing and slang completely ruins it for me. Star wars is great for its unique slang and references and made-up swear words too, this is truly disappointing

@kodyshaw6991

Жыл бұрын

@Ezekiel Previti Whats most disappointing is when the author chooses to use real world words when there is already a Star Wars equivalent. When Cere poured herself a cup of coffee (instead of caf) I rolled my eyes.

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

"big brain moment"? Sheesh.

@alphawolf7608

Жыл бұрын

I'm fine with swearing since it is just a word but slang really isn't great

@IAmAlpharius20

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@PuppyLoverSilver "Sheev moment" would've made more sense

Legitimagely though! I was concerned by the writer but it was terrible even by my set standards. Cal knew Merrin could raise the dead and was super powerful, she literally did it while fighting him when they first met, now it's a damn problem?!

It gets even worse when you realize Fret is a red-eyed and lavender or violet-skinned Keshiri. How the Empire, which last I checked was xenophobic and sexist, let an **alien woman** or even an **alien teenage girl** in the Stormtrooper Corps is beyond me.

@theeld267

Жыл бұрын

They didn't. She's not a Stormtrooper. She just stole the armor.

@ekaf1735

Жыл бұрын

@@theeld267 true, but they still let her work for them. And her position allowed her to have access to some vital intelligence

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

the fact that she's a Keshiri gets me

@bananajones4121

Жыл бұрын

Her being a Keshiri reads like Sam Maggs just pulled up a TopTenz of Cracked article about rare species and just picked the Keshiri imho

@vmac8972

Жыл бұрын

Sam Maggs wrote it so no surprise…

When Eck struggles to say something positive, maybe writing isn’t the career for you. Man gives everything a fair shake so I can only assume that without his benefit of the doubt this book is the SW version of My Immortal.

This makes me want to write my own novels.

@0din176

Жыл бұрын

Go for it, man

@panos617

Жыл бұрын

I also do this.

@daveyjoneslocker4703

Жыл бұрын

Apparently you don’t need to try very hard or be good at. Honestly take a swing at it man. So frequently lately I’ve seen AWFUL adaptations and immediately thought “a random fan could’ve written a far more compelling and appropriate story”. Maybe that fan is you.

@reo_1907

Жыл бұрын

(Palpatine voice) dew it

@matthewk4912

Жыл бұрын

@@daveyjoneslocker4703 The hard part is getting it published and then finding a way to market it to find a sizeable audience. People don't seem to really read anymore, and many of the people that do will overlook someone starting out.

Wait they took Greez's arm in a tie in novel?? Not a main plot point for the game??

The new character they added to fall in love in marrin is literally a self insert, the author and the character sound strangely familar, even more so that they created a brand new species for the book to "make it work".

@t-ro6176

Жыл бұрын

Exactly it’s such bs

@bananajones4121

Жыл бұрын

Keshiri, her species, actually did exist in Legends. But why she managed to become affiliated with the Imperials when the Keshiri home-planet is literally in the middle of nowhere is beyond me. Maybe that'll be explained at a later point but Disney Canon doesn't seem to have the level of obsessive need to explain every little bit of info that Legends did IMHO.

It was written by Sam Maggs… just what I expected lol

"Why does this book such so much?" *Written by one of the COD Vanguard writers* "Oh, right..."

For those dissatisfied with the book, I ask you this: WHAT.👏THE FUCK.👏 DID YOU.👏 EXPECT.👏 FROM.👏 SAM MAGGS.👏

@liquidsword601

Жыл бұрын

I had never heard of her before this, so I was excited for the book.

@benobrien7920

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know who she is, why is her reputation so bad?

@Dylan-vn7zq

Жыл бұрын

Fr, i just hope the novel doesn’t influence the game too much like god damn

@justcast1429

Жыл бұрын

I’m guess Sam Maggs is know for writing forced bad romance

@benobrien7920

Жыл бұрын

@@sleepykhajiit1875 dang, she sure seems unpleasant. I mean, we all know Merrin is attractive, but if I ever had the honor to create a Star Wars story, I wouldn’t waste part of it on a self insert character who bangs all the hot Star Wars women.

Can’t believe that Merrin had sex with a stormtrooper ON CAL’S COT!!!! WITH NO REMORSE! Actual character murder

@britt6184

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if the author did that just to spite Cal aka a white male.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

Sam Maggs likes the Last Jedi 😂 she has no problem with murdering characters

THANK YOU! Agreed. All of this. And I loved a lot crazy of "bad" Legends books. But at least the bad Legends books were interesting. And yes, I also feel the same about the fan fiction comment, but I think we can say it reads like bad fan fiction. I was just disappinted. And i love to hear Lost Stars mentioned because that was such a great story.

I really like Dathomir, I was hoping to get a lot really cool lore. I didnt get it. #AskEck How does Dathomir force usage relate to the Light or Dark? Obviously Tenenniel is lightside, by she uses Song of Storm which is straight up force lightning, meanwhile Talzin uses the Daughter’s healing ichor

@butnobodycame7022

Жыл бұрын

your avatar says everything about how you feel

@manubour

Жыл бұрын

Dathomir witches are an entirely different tradition that uses both sides of the force, though they're typically much more ruthless due to dark side closeness Dathomir the planet is very strong in the dark side

@Theology.101

Жыл бұрын

@@manubour nah i get that, but i just think a discussion video about their philosophy works would be neat. Cause they’re the best example of “Light=\=Good” as seen with literally every time we see Ichor

@bluehero-96

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be eager for Dathomir lore in Disney canon. It's been turned into a generic darkside planet, instead of the Dathomir popularized by Legends.

@Theology.101

Жыл бұрын

@@bluehero-96 yeah, I’m just hoping they can try and tie the Dyad into the Winged Goddess and Fanged God

Knew this was gonna happen as soon as Sam Maggs was announced as the writer.

@darthgoku1580

Жыл бұрын

And she's also on the writing team for the KOTOR remake. May God have mercy on us......

@CaptainTalion

Жыл бұрын

@@darthgoku1580 Not anymore I don’t think.

@theHamien

Жыл бұрын

Clearly she been riding on other peoples coat tails. Especially with ratchet and clank rift apart being so good

@2xRainb0w

Жыл бұрын

@@theHamieneven then they butchered ratchet and clanks characters for rivet and kit

@manofmercy1500

Жыл бұрын

@@darthgoku1580 Was. She left the project after she scored a creative position in Wizards of the Coast.

It was written by Sam Maggs. Bad writing is the default for her.

@MontyOfTennessee

Жыл бұрын

Have to agree.

@jefftheindianchief8279

Жыл бұрын

Saw it coming a mile away, Maggs has absolute contempt for the franchise, so how was this a surprise for anyone?

@sirjess007

Жыл бұрын

Yep, and fun fact is she used to work for Insomniac Games while developing Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart but she left in a upsetting way a few years ago I heard, but good riddance they couldn’t keep her lol

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@jefftheindianchief8279 Really? Wow. Why would somebody want to write for a franchise they hate this much

@ZachBobBob

Жыл бұрын

​@@jefftheindianchief8279 I'm not that familiar with her...just curious why you say this?

Thank God the game retconned Frett. Her dynamic with cal actually makes sense.

I just finished the book a couple of hours ago, and I wanted to see other people's thoughts. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Hopefully, this gets retconned in the new game.

@ofearghailthefearless6481

Жыл бұрын

Knowing Lucasfilm and you know who, I doubt it will get retconned

@Action-Jackson2025

Жыл бұрын

@@ofearghailthefearless6481 You never know, they retconned the Ahsoka novel with that Tales of the Jedi episode so anything can happen.

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

@@Action-Jackson2025 which Tales of the Jedi?

@Action-Jackson2025

Жыл бұрын

@Puppy Lover The last episode called Resolve. It briefly summarizes the novel and swaps out one of the sisters for a brother from what I heard.

@ofearghailthefearless6481

Жыл бұрын

@@Action-Jackson2025 that is true but that was for a character created by none other than Dave Filoni. I don't know if this will be the same ordeal.

So Cal goes from the hero of this story to some consolation prize, when Merrin decides to “settle” for him at the end…wow…that’s REALLY lame and insulting. Worse it’s damaging to his overall worth as a character. Not really the direction the first game set him up for after it’s storyline.

Imagine if they didn’t acknowledge the tie in novel at all in Jedi Survivor

@ChaoticMartian

Жыл бұрын

Wouldnt be the first time lol

@rebeccayoung2612

Жыл бұрын

That's what I'm hoping for

@macdt95

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t acknowledge it at all luckily, funnily enough when Cal admits his feelings for Merrin, Merrin says “Took you long enough.” Kinda seems like they try to forget the book

@LunarOverdrive

Жыл бұрын

they literally didn't. i think there might have been a throwaway line in there SOMEWHERE about it but that's it edit: i remembered it, it was greez's arm being chopped off. "What happened to Greez is not your fault, but ever since then, you've been reckless."

@maninanikittycat4238

Жыл бұрын

@@LunarOverdrive I was expecting them to acknowledged what happened to Greez. Knowing how he lost his arm made me appreciate him a lot more

They balanced Cal and Merrins story so well, Their both were young we're their Family and Order was taken from them, and they both mention the fact that their both the last of their kind each, Nightsister, and Jedi, I thought it was neat that we were getting Mando and Jedi in Liveaction, while Nightsister and Jedi in Video Games, and I remember that Merrin and Cal both call to the fact their helping the Jedi survive on, and I thought it was going towards Merrin and Cal having a NightJedi baby

@thatredhead3613

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully it will be in the case just in the games not this stupid fanfic novel

@rainacap

Жыл бұрын

@@thatredhead3613 do I have good news for you

@thatredhead3613

Жыл бұрын

@@rainacap oh I'm aware 😌

@Salem-1610

Жыл бұрын

@@thatredhead3613 Hell yeah!

Sam Maggs wrote it so this could have been expected

@Lunar_Pendragon

Жыл бұрын

What's wrong with Sam Maggs? I don't know the guy, I'm just curious 😅

@Olivermathews0224

Жыл бұрын

@@Lunar_Pendragon it’s a girl, and she doesn’t even like Star Wars, she’s a political activist

@kianvandenberg6364

Жыл бұрын

Woke Activist and men hater, i am absolutely sure she decided Merrin is gay

@dal2902

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. As soon as I saw she was writing this book I lost all interest. Glad I saved my money.

@TempestsFist

Жыл бұрын

​@MandalorianMan oh man. No surprises, here then. Ouch.

Thanks for the plot summary Eck. I wasn't planning on picking this up. It seems like Sam Maggs doesn't care for the IP or the characters, given the way that she makes fun of Star Wars fans.

@nameynamename3758

Жыл бұрын

im unfamiliar with the situation, but knowing how sw fans react when they don't like something i don't blame her for making fun of them

@DRKTROOPER15

Жыл бұрын

@@nameynamename3758no she’s a radical leftist

@Gamma_249

Жыл бұрын

​@@nameynamename3758 way to make matters worse, right? What a mature way to respond to a situation for the writer

@nameynamename3758

Жыл бұрын

@@Gamma_249 imagine you have a group of people who have and (im assuming) and are sending you endless toxic bile all day every day just because of your work. these type of people literally ruined a kid's life and made an actor contemplate suicide they deserve a little back their way

@Gamma_249

Жыл бұрын

@@nameynamename3758 I was not one of those people and yet I too get the short end of the stick. And you think that's okay? Way to see the world in just black and white

Oh my god I just looked up Sam Maggs and this book sucking is the most woefully predictable thing that could have happened. I am so sick of this.

You can tell Eck is pissed because he uploaded this video early.

This is what you get when you let Sam Maggs write anything. Hopefully her influence on the KOTOR remake was minimized after her departure from their writing team. I still remember the articles defending her hatred of the KOTOR series by saying "Oh well, maybe her perspective will be unique!".

@sentientmustache8360

Жыл бұрын

The KOTOR remake isn’t even in active development yet so it’s very likely she didn’t even do anything to the story

@emperorvader3344

Жыл бұрын

@@sentientmustache8360 Yeah plus shes just one writer out of a team of writers so also keep that in mind

@ericsantucci6934

Жыл бұрын

It seems like she's been driven out of a lot of the game projects she's been involved in recently, like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and the KOTOR remake. Why this woman continues to get hired is beyond me.

@_MaZTeR_

Жыл бұрын

@@ericsantucci6934 Nepotism.

Man after beating the game it really shows how pointless this book is.

So basically, SW:Jedi ended up taking the bullet that the Kotor Remake was originally going to be hit with. Just got to hope that Survivor ends up retconning this mess out. Doubt it but its happened before elsewhere in Disney Era Star Wars.

@thatredhead3613

Жыл бұрын

I doubt it's going to be reckoned. More like pushed under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.

@manofmercy1500

Жыл бұрын

@@thatredhead3613 Considering both were being worked on at the same time by different teams, that may be what ends up happening. Novel simply being ignored and the events of the game take higher priority in regards to being canon. Besides, I doubt Respawn was wanting a more bloodthirsty Cal than where they left off from Fallen Order.

@Salem-1610

Жыл бұрын

Oh boy do I have good news for you.

This is Fanfic, really. Im not even talking about the Merrin stuff, Cal’s bloodthirst is SO out of character.

Glad you gave it an honest review. Other SW creators gave it positive reviews with almost no criticism over its obvious issues.

@ericsantucci6934

Жыл бұрын

When has Star Wars Explained ever given a negative review to anything?

@ES90344

Жыл бұрын

How did you know I was talking about SWE? ROFL

@evernight1405

Жыл бұрын

It annoying when most reviews of Star Wars are positive even if the product low-quality. Star Wars explained video review of this book has the title of 'the story of Merrin we always needed'. It's refreshing this videos honest about the low quality of the book.

@ericsantucci6934

Жыл бұрын

@@ES90344 Who else could it be? Haha

@elijahblechman8633

Жыл бұрын

​@Ever Night, I think at least point he's just afraid of being negative. The politics of the Internet have been suffocating. It's turned people ether squeaky clean or crazy negative. Eckhartsladder is the only normal person on KZread I swear.

From the way you described it it sounds exceedingly forced. And honestly? I can live without romance in a story. Unless theres pre written stuff in the official media of the game, anything done outside of it is going to feel very shoehorned.

Oh lovely, can't have anything good these days. It's a miracle Fallen Order came out the way it did.

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid for Jedi: Survivor... my dad said that he liked video games because they never contained any politics like the Disney Star Wars movies do. I'm afraid that isn't going to be true anymore. 😬

I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt like this book was written badly. It felt very fanfiction, not the good kind. And the narrator’s vice felt off for my taste. I couldn’t get past 5 chapters.

I thought about buying this book because I liked the characters so much, but then I read the reviews. The articles I read told me everything I needed to know: that it was fast paced, and drama drama drama drama drama drama. Some of it sounded like good drama, such as Cere still growing and resisting the dark side, but the fact that there was a love triangle was a turn off. I love Merrin, but they turned that subtle line from the game into a whole subplot is goofy. Edit: I agree with what you said about Cal. Imo, he shouldn't find killing fun. Sure there is satisfaction in overcoming a challenge, but Cal seems too Jedi like and kind to find killing fun. Also, what you said about Merrin's relationship perfectly sums up a larger problem in modern media. Writers must think because they are supposed to be in love, that is enough to make us care. We can only care about their relationship if we care about the individuals first, but they don't want to put in the work.

@britt6184

Жыл бұрын

It's completely possible to skip the line that hints at Merrin possibly liking other females too. On my first playthrough of the game I got all the chests and secrets before Merrin even joined the crew so there was no need to travel around afterwards, I just went right to the final level.

@ThreadBareHope1234

Жыл бұрын

@@britt6184 That's a cool trick. But the line wasn't actually a problem for me, anyway. I just don't like what this book did with it. At first I interpreted Merrin's story description as a friendship (honestly, idk why I'm so dense when it comes to lesbian/bi relationships) until other people pointed out the real meaning. At first, I didn't mind it if she was bi.

@Salem-1610

Жыл бұрын

Welp. Looks like the game devs didn't go through with the novel.

I feel like Fret was a self-insert from Maggs.

@t-ro6176

Жыл бұрын

Most definitely probably is

Cal isn't becoming ruthless, he's just becoming similar to Clone Wars era Anakin, waaaaaaait a second, nevermind... 😄 I think this was a clumsy attempt at giving a base for a possible dark side storyline for the game.

Honestly the romance sub plot was genuinely horrific in execution, and really sucked, but I do feel that some of the other dynamics between the crew, and the tension as far as internal conflict not related to the romance

thanks for this revew ek. went to a book store today afterwards and decided to pick up a 40k book instead of this. pretty disapointed to hear the book sucked but i expect nothing from Sam Maggs

This book was perhaps the most disappointing piece of Star Wars I have ever listened to. I couldn’t get more then a few hours in. The writing was just atrocious with a plot that made no sense. The characters felt completely different from those in the game. Honestly it sounds like you wouldn’t be missing much if you just skipped this one it’s definitely not worth paying $12-15 for it.

@InvitalPulse

Жыл бұрын

It's Sam Maggs, horrible political activist disguised as a Star Wars writer who hates Star Wars.

I expected nothing less than hot garbage when I knew Sam Maggs was writing it.. For some reason she still gets work crapping on and breaking every franchise she touches..

@bananajones4121

Жыл бұрын

She's the Karen Traviss of Disney Canon

Cal was also entirely lacking empathy or any degree of emotional understanding, he was just a stupid ‘typical’ guy, except ONE good conversation. He doesn’t understand Merrin has feelings for someone but he can sense the echos of deep emotions in the force? Like, what?? Greez is the only character who was written well.

Lets be the change we wish to see. Rather than consider the quality of Star Wars content from Disney, I say we make our own. Maggs doesn't have a monopoly on 'fanfiction' so if they are going to start pumping that out as 'content' we better flood them with stuff that actually is worth reading.

@rebeccayoung2612

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly! Anything that wasn't made by George Lucas, is supplemental material, which is subject to change. Which means things are only Cannon, if we let it be. The stuff Disney lucasfilm is putting out, is just the most expensive kind of supplemental material (aka fan fiction).

So at the risk of sounding like a total boomer, I'm pretty sure the only reason frett was added as a love interest for Merrin was to check off the LGBTQ box. I didn't necessarily ship Cal and Merrin either but the story did seem like it would go in that direction. I'm guessing that was the initial idea and it was later changed for the sake of representation (which does happen a lot in media these days). I wish this would have happened in game rather than a book no one is gonna read though cause it's a pretty important plot point for her character.

@Adhawke06

Жыл бұрын

It’s literally the only reason they did this.

@thatredhead3613

Жыл бұрын

I still think cal and Merrin are going to be together at the end of the story. I just hope it's not going to be the final scene of the final game, you know

@Jon0387

Жыл бұрын

I’ve noticed this a lot in the newer novels. It often comes across forced and cringy.

@Allysaenkins

Жыл бұрын

I think lgbtq comunity should definitely be represented but I read the nice and it for sure felt forced

@InvitalPulse

Жыл бұрын

Sam Maggs constantly injects it into her writing and it always comes off as cringe.

Agree, story is mild but at least they have good writing on fighting parts.

I don't really want to read it if it will ruin Merrin for me but the chaotic part of my mind wants to see just how bad the book is.

"What a piece of junk," wish I didn't know that it existed.

I prefear the old books like Darth Bane Trilogy, Darth Pleagueis, Red Harvest, Death Troopers, Republic Commandos Series, Death Star, Milenium Falcon, Revenge Of The Sith, Darth Vader : The Rise Of The Dark Lord. Jees bring back the old authors like Drew Karpyshyn, Karen Traviss and James Luceno.

Cal and Cere together can't take Fifth Brother? Yeeowch Also, it sounds like everyone is very different now.

I heard it reads more like a lesbian romance novel that coincidentally happens in star wars than a star wars novel that happens to include a lesbian romance That's a reddit comment I haven't read it (yet, I possibly may one day)

I solute you for taking this one for the team.

The author was instructed by Disney to have 5th brother. There was an interview with Alexon star wars explained

to summarize its a typical rushed tie in to a game that probably didn't need a tie in book at all

I appreciate the measured take at the end of this video! Most comments here should take note of that tone. I used an Audible credit on this and I feel burned. This book is not doing it for me. The only other Sam Maggs work I’ve engaged with was the Spider-Man DLC, which I thought was mostly well done. I love the Mantis Crew and hope Claudia Grey gets a chance to write these lovable knuckleheads into a great story some day.

That sounds like a bad book.

Damn this is really disappointing. I was actually looking forward to reading this novel, but that's not gonna happen now. I can't believe it really was this bad.

Currently, I'm on page 105 of the book. So far, I thought it was pretty good, but I have to say I'm not really a fan of what's going on with Merrin.

New canon basically sucks at every turn.

Should try a Tier list of the most dangerous bipedal species. My top ten would be: Ravna's species. Duros. Jen'Dai (Maybe, kinda bipedal.) Ganks Ferrerreo Wookiees (For Intellectual Creativity and Physical Capability.) Geonosians (Fast reproduction, flight, intellect.) Rakghouls (Phase 1 & 2 [But they're not exactly smart, so they'd not pose a serious threat to the galaxy, despite their infectious nature].) Mon Calamari (Extremely fast reproduction, intellect, aquatic species.) Trandoshans

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

why are Ferrerreo dangerous?

@qownson4410

Жыл бұрын

@@PuppyLoverSilver Stronger than regular people, extremely fast healing. Basically super humans.

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

@@qownson4410 ah, okay thanks.

I think this speaks volumes as to why Sam Maggs was removed from the writing team of the KOTOR 1 Remake. She wants to make author insert characters to fuck with the already established characters.

What did you think of shadow of the sith?

Hearing your thoughts on this after reading Shadow of the Sith makes me worried about future SW tie-in novels. Shadow of the Sith I found extremely boring and hard to finish, nothing about it really drew me in. The way it sounds, I'll probably skip this book as well. That doesn't mean I dislike all of the new cannon novels though, I enjoyed Brotherhood quite a bit.

@Hello-bi1pm

Жыл бұрын

Brotherhood really seems like a lame attempt to retread the ground Labyrinth of Evil already covered. I guess they thought Yerbana in the Clone Wars ruined chance of that happening. TCW might have as well made Cato Neimoidia mission into another Clone Wars arc instead of introducing a new planet.

THANK YOU! I’m so disappointed and it was a waste of money.

@jonathansalgado6368

Жыл бұрын

I thought about getting it recently since I really liked the game. Since I finished the game recently too. Dodged a bullet lmao.

I bought it thinking I was going to get a Cal Kestis based adventure. What I actually got was an inter-humanoid lesbian drama all about Merrin and this defected female stormtrooper fingerbanging each other every chance they get while poor Cal is left with major blue kybers. Typical bait and switch. Disney sucks.

Why are cloaking devices such a big deal in the star wars universe? Are they really that technological underdeveloped that a single, simple cloaking device is an absolute game changer?

I'm so glad that I'm not the only one, who thinks Jedi:Battle scars, could have been so much more. I also listen to the audiobook, on audible, and like you I kept comparing it to books, such as Lost Stars, Dark Disciple, and even Force Collector. (I also think Fret is the most annoying, boring, character ever. ) There are elements about Merrin, that I think could have been written better to, such as the source of her power. In the book it betrays Merrins power, as coming from her passions. But the way it's written, makes it sound, more like it specifically comes from her lust. (Which is a little grody to think about) and she just feels, out of character in general. I never thought of Merrin as having a flighty heart, but that's what this book betrays. Also, I love a good romance, but the kissing scenes, in this book, just last way too long, I just wound up fast-forwarding through them. All in all, this book feels very last minute, like lucasfilm just want to make a quick buck, on the Jedi: fallen order/Jedi: survivor, hype. P.s. I as well, thought that the best parts of this book, where the chapters that focused on in Greez, and Cere.

Aw man, I was hoping that it would be good.

Ah yes in betweenquel plot armor making a contest unthreatening. Like Obi-Wan and Vader.

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

haha yeah

Thank you for the info on this book. I hope you do the same with Jedi Survivor so we know if it’s worth buying.

My two cent is that the stormtrooper is a self insert from the author.

This is what happens when you hire professional fan fiction writers.

@Werrf1

Жыл бұрын

There are some really, really good fan fiction writers. This is just what happens when you hire _bad_ writers.

@_MaZTeR_

Жыл бұрын

This is what happens when you hire people who didn't bother to play or see the source material. Just look at Star Wars Theory's fan fictions. I haven't bothered to read this novel and probably never will and I guarantee everything he has made is better than this.

@bananajones4121

Жыл бұрын

hey thats insulting to professional fanfic writers haha, there was some legitimately good star wars fanfics in old fan magazines back in the 70s-90s

@samsny21

Жыл бұрын

@@_MaZTeR_ SWT is also a dipshit so not really a great comparison lol

@bananajones4121

Жыл бұрын

TBF there are/were a ton of geriatric women who made some good Star Wars fanfics back in the 80s and 90s in old fanzines imho

Ideally, you would want Jedi to kill as little faceless goons such as Stormtroopers as possible. I hate when you have Jedi talking about redemption and not falling to the dark side while a few scenes prior they were cutting down a hoard of faceless enemies. I know authors want to write Jedi using their lightsabers to kill a bunch of bad guys, but a race of warrior monks who supposedly only use violence as a last resort should be more discreet.

The typical rule I've learned with Disney Star Wars books is that they'll only introduce & use known characters if they have no future plans for that character going forward. That's what happened with Phasma with her book & comic series, & I believe that's what's happening with the 5th Brother here. He's a known quantity with an established story that won't likely be followed up on in TV or movies too much more. They don't want the books writing their TV & movie IPs into a corner. It's frustrating for sure, but Disney has a pattern on treating the books & novels as lesser. Especially within the established parts of the timeline.

@Hello-bi1pm

Жыл бұрын

You might have as well made a new inquisitor so we don't undercut tension. Kinda like the GAME did, Trilla is the best Inquisitor in Disney canon because they didn't reuse all goofy tropes from Rebels. Reva failed to recapture why Trilla worked because she has to share screentime with goofy Rebels Inquisitors. Filoni needs to be proud for how much he ruined any good villain potential for this organization without trying really hard. And someone still thinks he can actually worldbuild 😕

So, basically the novel summed up is, "Hey, guys, Merrin isn't one of those icky straughts! No, there will not be a romance realistically build up from its apparent foundation in JFO, it's male-female so its boring and not rEpReSaTiOn! She is horny for and jumps im bed with this random Imperial defector that we threw in here! What? What do you mean it takes away from the theme of the first game, all these strangers finding comfort and companionship in each other? Look at Fret! Look at the rEpReSeNtAtIoN! She's not a bland, boring, cliche SW character at all! The rEpReSeNtAtIoN!!! And just like "The High Republic", "Dr Aphra" and that "Rebels" novel, we are going to add in a bunch of gratuitous sex! Also the actual plot is inconsequential even with the injuries, Cal and Cere don't care about killing so many people because all those who support the Empire are bad bar fallen jedi! Everyone is out of character! Finally, captialism bad!"

@IAmAlpharius20

Жыл бұрын

Wait Rebels...had.... *seggs?!*

@RayOfTruth

7 ай бұрын

JFO already implied she was interested in women. This novel confirms she's interested in people regardless of gender *including men.* The book still leaves the door open for a Cal and Merrin romance to still happen in the future.

if i had a nickel for everytime Sam Maggs wrote a mediocre story for a popular franchise, I'd have 15 cents, which isn't a lot, but its weird that it happened a third time

@shane_kai1983

Жыл бұрын

I understood that reference

@PuppyLoverSilver

Жыл бұрын

@@shane_kai1983 lol me too

Don't know why they do these novel things. Just keep the game characters to the games. Like 95% of ppl who play the 2nd one will have no idea any of this happened and they pick the worst writers.

@thatredhead3613

Жыл бұрын

That's why I still have hope for the game. Because not that many people are going to read the book, the book is probably not going to impact their character (i.e I doubt Merrin being in a forced lesbian relationship will be mentioned a lot in the game.... hopefully) that much besides maybe Greze which appears to be the only good thing in the book.

The only redeeming quality of this book was Greez because he took none of Frets bs which I loved since I hated Fret so much but overall Greez’s arc was the best aspect of the book for me

I was really expecting this novel to be good, and I was kinda disappointed about how the novel became more about Merrin and the stormtrooper girl Frethylrin ( and put aside the crew in sort way) . Also I is kinda sad Merrin and Cal were not together I am not saying they have to be a couple by force but I have to say their dynamic is pretty good, hopefully in the sequel they could have a thing. But I agree the best characters were Ceres and Greez, Cal was okay but I think we need it more about him, and Merrin would have been pretty good if her character was not all about her new love interest.

Damn, I just started reading it too. 😕 I’ll finish it, but this review is making me uncertain about my purchase…. I’m mostly upset that all that vibing between Cal and Merrin gets thrown out the window!

@pearsegallagher9832

Жыл бұрын

eh i mean we knew merrin liked women from fallen order

@SFisher1993

Жыл бұрын

@@pearsegallagher9832 It’s been a while since I’ve played the game, so I forgot that. I stand corrected. Still, it’s hard not to see Fret as an intruder. To compare, wherever I watch Star Trek: Voyager, I always see vibing between Chakotay and Janeway, so putting him with Seven later on just felt forced. 😕

@pearsegallagher9832

Жыл бұрын

@@SFisher1993 oh that was forced there was no build up to it which is why star trek picard just ignored it

@SFisher1993

Жыл бұрын

@@pearsegallagher9832 I’m glad Kirsten Beyer made Janeway/Chakotay canon in the Voyager relaunch saga.

Greez and Cere are the only decent characters in the book. The more they pushed the 'love' story, the less I was interested in what was happening.

@daveyjoneslocker4703

Жыл бұрын

Love in a story should feel the same way it does in real life. You should feel sparks when two characters interact. It should be just as exciting as the action is. I think a lot of people felt that way about Cal and Merrin, and while I don’t think Merrin getting with a stormtrooper is actually a bad concept, it feels like robbery to put Merrin with a faceless undeveloped character when Cal and Merrin had sparks in and out of universe.

It is by far the worst star wars book ive ever had the displeasure of listening to, if not book in general. Thank god I was able to return it.

I hope the new game doesn't rely on this book, or plot points in it. I know they said they wouldn't, but game should always be more important than book

@thatredhead3613

Жыл бұрын

I think battle scars is going to be pushed under a rug and survivor is going to act like it doesn't exist

I've listened to all the new canon books. This isn't the worst one, but it is down there.

@daveyjoneslocker4703

Жыл бұрын

@@saberiandream316 to fully evaluate it.

@Hello-bi1pm

Жыл бұрын

What's the worst one?

@TimeCircleBlue

Жыл бұрын

@@Hello-bi1pm I am also curious