The Negative Effects and Benefits of Plant-Based Diets

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  • @NutritionFactsOrg
    @NutritionFactsOrg Жыл бұрын

    For more videos on plant-based diets, see the topic page on NutritionFacts.org: nutritionfacts.org/topics/plant-based-diets/ or the KZread playlist: kzread.info/head/PL5TLzNi5fYd-pAZD8VwNCYC8lBowHZ40Z

  • @dukecj7480

    @dukecj7480

    Жыл бұрын

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  • @dukecj7480

    @dukecj7480

    Жыл бұрын

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  • @botzer8817

    @botzer8817

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all you do! Could you please talk about obstructive/central sleep apnea? I'm in my 20s, not overweight at all (BMI 22), I exercise 5 times a week (resistance + aerobic), my neck size is way under 17 inches, and I have moderate sleep apnea, so even with 10+ hours of sleep I'm never fully rested. I read that saturated fat and animals food can worsen the condition, and that a WFPB diet increase daytime alertness, but I would love to hear your thoughts and what the science actually say on this topic.

  • @adhas
    @adhas Жыл бұрын

    As a vegan, contrary to many meat eater's opinions, I'm not doing it to be "better" than anyone. I did it to minimize harm to sentient animals, and as a result, I regained health. This was 6 years ago... I can't imagine ever going back, and I was once addicted to cheese and dairy, loved the taste of bacon etc... My taste buds completely changed and I love every thing i eat now, especially knowing l didn't contribute to the demand for dairy and animal slaughter. Please give it a try 😊

  • @danadaurey24

    @danadaurey24

    Жыл бұрын

    I coulda written your comment! 😍😍😍 Thanks for using your voice! ME TOO! I did it for the animals, and I have never felt better! I could NEVER go back as well, knowing what I know, I too loved cheese, bacon, eggs, now knowing what I know, taking the blinders off, my goodness WHO would eat that stuff knowing how it gets on humans plates???? Love is the ANSWER to all things, eating animals is not love. Period. ❤❤❤❤❤ again I LOVED your comment!

  • @antonymuir3724

    @antonymuir3724

    Жыл бұрын

    I was vegan for 8 years until recently. Im still mostly plant based but i have started to include fish, eggs and cheese back into my diet. I won't ever go back to being a fully fledge carnivore again, but I certainly won't be going back to fully vegan again either.

  • @arizonanative7409

    @arizonanative7409

    Жыл бұрын

    It is very easy today to go vegetarian or vegan. More food choices for those of us who choose this way of eating.

  • @danadaurey24

    @danadaurey24

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arizonanative7409 yes Arizona AGREED! The animals and I thank you, and everyone out there that opens their heart to that truth.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @MrMikner

    @MrMikner

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@antonymuir3724So, as you're not a vegan anymore, how have your ethics changed that you consider it to be okay to intentionally harm animals again?

  • @Susanonwow
    @Susanonwow Жыл бұрын

    We can’t avoid harm going through this life, but we can make choices that minimize the harm that we do. A vegan, whole food lifestyle reduces environmental harm, harm to ourselves, and harm to the other life forms that we share this world with. Spread the love. Animals are beings worthy of respect. While they can be, and indeed are food, humans are in the unique position of being able to evolve beyond historical and harmful dietary patterns.

  • @dianeladico1769

    @dianeladico1769

    Жыл бұрын

    That was beautifully put.

  • @foreverhappiness3396

    @foreverhappiness3396

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this.

  • @indiea5588

    @indiea5588

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, very well said 👏

  • @Susanonwow

    @Susanonwow

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ollieya945 Absolutely not! Harming yourself, for whatever reason, is still harm. It’s hard to maintain being compassionate or caring when you’re shorting yourself. It sounds to me like you’re on the right path for you.

  • @luckyape
    @luckyape Жыл бұрын

    I’m 52 and just had my first cholesterol test because of all the heart disease in my family. I’m told 421 is basically perfect cholesterol score. Plant based for 25+ years.

  • @ethicalphytophage
    @ethicalphytophage Жыл бұрын

    Doc. You are much loved. Thank you for all you do. 💚🙏

  • @VeryScaryDragonRawr
    @VeryScaryDragonRawr Жыл бұрын

    The biggest difference I've noticed since going vegan (after developing a severe animal protein allergy) is how much less cleaning I have to do in my kitchen. I used to spend about a half hour to an hour Lysol-ing every single surface in my kitchen after cooking chicken, because that's just how chicken is. I don't even have Lysol anymore. Scrub sponges used to absolutely reek within a couple days of cleaning bacon grease out of a pan. Now I can use sponges for months until they fall apart, with no smells. Everyone knows the unholy stench you can get if you spill dairy or eggs behind a heavy appliance and can't clean it for a few days. I'm at the point where I wonder how I ever accepted it as "normal," cooking with foods that are so filthy. Especially chicken! "I can't answer the door, I got chicken hands! I can't change the song I'm listening to, I got chicken hands! Oops, touched the refrigerator handle, gotta lysol that later. Oops, remember to lysol the drawer handles, too. Oh no, can't answer the phone. Can't pet the cat. How do i turn the page on my recipe book? Oops, gotta remember to lysol the oven handle and dials now." How is it so normalized, cooking with something that has to literally be treated like toxic waste?

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    I was once remodeling a kitchen for my work and had to use a scraper to get the meat grease off the wall behind the stove, it came off in 1/8" sheets, no joke. Made me gag. I too use my sponges til they fall apart. I house sat my friends house a while back and I couldn't even use the sponge it was so gross. I tried cleaning it out and it wasn't possible.

  • @fyrish100

    @fyrish100

    Жыл бұрын

    I haven’t had a blocked sink ,no fatty gunk clogging the pipes up since going plant based ,imagine that crap in our arteries

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fyrish100 Come to think of it I've never had to unclog my kitchen sink either. Scraping that layer of meat grease off the wall really drove home how bad it is to put that stuff in your body.

  • @kellyfrancis8999

    @kellyfrancis8999

    9 ай бұрын

    I’m vegetarian so I support your comment. But vegetables in the cruciferous family can smell terrible. I love broccoli and kale, even cabbage and brussel sprouts, but they can make a home or lunch box reek. I know it’s not the same as meat, no comparison, but, still smelly things they can be.

  • @AlanNguyenMD

    @AlanNguyenMD

    8 ай бұрын

    you are lazy

  • @nazokashii
    @nazokashii Жыл бұрын

    Such a nice compilation :D thank you so much

  • @v3gan33
    @v3gan33 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video! I’ll be sharing it with my family!

  • @healthylivingeachday
    @healthylivingeachday Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @anitamartini5144
    @anitamartini5144 Жыл бұрын

    My man, Dr. G

  • @TimW-lu5nf
    @TimW-lu5nf Жыл бұрын

    Dr Gregor if you have time can you do a video on alternative treatments for Epididymitis?? Or do you know of any studies showing correlation between diet and Epididymitis etc

  • @clc7378
    @clc7378 Жыл бұрын

    🎉 Thank You!

  • @WilliamThePayne
    @WilliamThePayne Жыл бұрын

    Another great video!

  • @robertc5325
    @robertc5325 Жыл бұрын

    Great 👍🏻

  • @IShallNotBeSilent
    @IShallNotBeSilent Жыл бұрын

    Any chance you could make a video on the SDA health foods they sell, and if they are good or bad for our bodies?

  • @Melanie____
    @Melanie____ Жыл бұрын

    Honestly the only disadvantage of the vegan diet is how many times you have to answer the how do you get your protein question. Haha

  • @realrift01

    @realrift01

    Жыл бұрын

    Say :I'll tell you if you tell me where you get your fibre".

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    When you go into Chipotle and they ask you what kind of protein you want and you have to break it to them that every single ingredient they offer you has protein in it. And the beans have almost as much as the meat. This protein obsession(and misinformation) makes my brain hurt.

  • @Melanie____

    @Melanie____

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dustman96 hahaha

  • @thebrinksf69
    @thebrinksf69 Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like all upside for plant based diets

  • @AndrewPawley11
    @AndrewPawley11 Жыл бұрын

    I lovethis channel and on 23 June 2023, 965K people agree with me

  • @cmu8271
    @cmu8271 Жыл бұрын

    Hi, thanks a lot for the video. Can you consider making a video on tips to get enough calcium next time? Because I've found it hard to get enough calcium. On your website, you recommend a daily intake of 600mg of calcium, which actually translates to 8 cups of bok choy or 7 cups of Chinese kale (the two most calcium-rich greens accessible in my country). It's possible, but difficult, to eat that much of greens a day for me.

  • @carmadefries3729

    @carmadefries3729

    Жыл бұрын

    Try sprouts. ❤

  • @cmu8271

    @cmu8271

    Жыл бұрын

    @@carmadefries3729 Wow thanks. 85 mg per cup. I'll definitely try some.

  • @markoshun

    @markoshun

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree, not much improvement there, 7 cups of sprouts..!? I also think a video on this would be good. By my figuring, without dairy, it would take an effort and multiple sources to hit 600mg everyday. Greens, sprouts, soy and almond milk, nuts, beans, whole grains and/or fortified cereals. Of course, all the other benefits from these foods would presumably make it worth the effort to get the calcium.

  • @reaperkollyns6495

    @reaperkollyns6495

    Жыл бұрын

    I just checked and I hit about 750mg a day without focusing on calcium. My too foods were tofu, garbanzo beans, kale and tomatoes.

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    It's a hard one. Tofu is the easiest source as far as I can tell. I would say that 600mg is not really necessary though. I never had a calcium deficiency and have never eaten anywhere near that much calcium, never even paid attention to my calcium intake. Sometimes I think these dietary guidelines are a load of hooey. I never used to supplement B12 either and my levels were always smack in the middle. Don't know how to explain that either.

  • @kturkalo2129
    @kturkalo2129 Жыл бұрын

    Question: The statistics are impressive, but none are 100%. Have the reasons or characteristics of the 'failures' been identified? For instance, what is different about those that, even after eating vegan for several years, remain hypertensive or fat, etc.?

  • @paulmaxwell8851

    @paulmaxwell8851

    Жыл бұрын

    Some vegetarians and vegans we know are junk-food aficionados. Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand that animal-free doesn't automatically equal healthy. Some junk food is animal-free garbage. Their health suffers as a result.

  • @eemshalom
    @eemshalom Жыл бұрын

    what about vegan wfpb vs vegan with ultra-processed preservatives/chemicals etc.

  • @wadepatton2433
    @wadepatton2433 Жыл бұрын

    Ok but hey, I often look at the tables and stats and details and that can raise questions. IN this case I'm confused about the chart at 0:40 where the "AVG" is greater than either "omnivores" or "vegetarians". How can the average be greater than either component of the two factors from which the average would appear to be logically derived. What am I missing here? What factor or population drives up the average to be higher than either type of eater. That's not how "my math" works. Thanks

  • @ScheveSneeuwSchuifSchep

    @ScheveSneeuwSchuifSchep

    6 ай бұрын

    I didn't look up the source yet but I'm guessing they use a different source than their own for the average population spending

  • @lint8391
    @lint8391 Жыл бұрын

    There's still a lot of people (in the UK at least) that are clinging to outdated views on nutrition. "Eggs are healthy" "Fish and chicken are healthy" "Everything in moderation and you'll be fine" "Foods shouldn't be classified as 'good' or 'bad'" Etc etc etc. It's very much a case of it's more difficult to convince people that they've been fooled than to fool them in the first place. For those of us that follow this channel and read Dr Greger's entertaining and informative books, this video is preaching to the choir. The Overton Window amongst the UK population is that getting into healthy nutrition is the sort of thing that cranks and evangelists do. I think that in 100 years time, historians will look back at the 2020's and shake their heads in the same way that we shake our heads at how smoking was viewed in the 1940's.

  • @TNT-km2eg

    @TNT-km2eg

    6 ай бұрын

    Cavemen diet

  • @user-bs2fg3im7k
    @user-bs2fg3im7k Жыл бұрын

    Question---Is BABY kale as good as the ADULT fully grown kale. I can put baby Kale easily in with my other raw greens--so just curious.

  • @LaLayla99

    @LaLayla99

    Жыл бұрын

    My cronometer app seems to indicate there is slightly higher nutrition in baby kale.

  • @robynskeletons6881

    @robynskeletons6881

    Жыл бұрын

    It makes sense that baby kale would actually be better for you. I think Doc would agree though that the best kale is the kind you’ll eat more of!

  • @user-bs2fg3im7k

    @user-bs2fg3im7k

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LaLayla99 thank you

  • @user-bs2fg3im7k

    @user-bs2fg3im7k

    Жыл бұрын

    @@robynskeletons6881 nicely said I can hear him now. Thank you

  • @inklingbot

    @inklingbot

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly the best green is the one you consistently manage to eat. I'm sure baby is still fantastic.

  • @kumarchitta
    @kumarchitta Жыл бұрын

    I like the analysis, the point to stress is vegetarian alone may not satisfy, as vegetarians tend to eat lot of carbs based diet, specially rice based diets. May be this study assumes that vegetarians = whole plant diet.

  • @mevroegopschoonveld8945
    @mevroegopschoonveld8945 Жыл бұрын

    End Speciesism, be vegan for the animals... ✌🌿

  • @bruhman8005

    @bruhman8005

    Жыл бұрын

    No❤

  • @TheXPlayer_TWC
    @TheXPlayer_TWC Жыл бұрын

    Fermentation : )

  • @ccbcco
    @ccbcco Жыл бұрын

    What about kidney stones? Not a major life thereat like the other diseases mentioned, but Veggies take in a LOT more oxalic acid.

  • @gregrojowski8291

    @gregrojowski8291

    Жыл бұрын

    Good question... I had CaOxalate stones, 3 smooth tiny ones last november... when I took notice of how much i was consuming of High Oxalate Greens, etc, I looked into focusing on the low oxalate greens, etc. Of course recomendation from my Urologist for me to drink more fluids and to switched my Mg to Mg Citrate has helped tremendously. Please, let's get these "Big WFPB Lifestyle Folks" to address the oxalate-issue.... Dr G, Rip Essel,

  • @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    Жыл бұрын

    I have an auto-immune disease that makes me prone to kidney stones. I haven't had a single one since I went vegan 6 years ago. Prior to that, I was going in for kidney stone removal every nine months or so.

  • @Melanie____

    @Melanie____

    Жыл бұрын

    Not really an issue there are videos on this. But all in all meat eaters get more stones. If you want to be safe though don’t have spinach twice a day everyday.

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    Lots of people i know have had kidney stones. None of them were my vegetarian friends or family.

  • @KJSvitko
    @KJSvitko Жыл бұрын

    Health care costs are out of control. Going WFPB vegan can save money, pain and suffering from disease. Lower your chance of high blood pressure, heart disease and cancer by going vegan. Hospitals, doctors offices and schools should be places where good nutrition is taught and provided not places that contribute to disease and obesity. It is crazy the hospitals are feeding people the very food that caused the heart disease, high blood pressure or cancer that they are treating. Every person in the hospital should receive some nutrition education before being released. Every doctor visit should be an opportunity to educate patients about how food choices impacts their health outcomes. The fact that doctors do not get nutrition training as part of their training makes no sense. Medicare and Medicaid should require nutrition education as part of patient care. Focus should be on food choices.

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    I couldn't believe the crap they tried to feed my dad in the hospital.

  • @piku5637
    @piku5637 Жыл бұрын

    Wish I was raised vegan as a child.

  • @jarcau_vegan
    @jarcau_vegan Жыл бұрын

    It's not just about reducing suffering in the Universe, but respecting the fundamental «interests» of other sentient beings not to be coerced, not to be harmed, not to be killed: not to be property, not to be used as resources. Respecting these fundamental interests means «we stop using other animals» for our pleasure and convenience. Veganism is not about reducing suffering. It's about fundamental justice: sentient beings have an intrinsic value (dignity) that must be respected regardless the utilitarian value (usefulness) we may project onto them. Species is as arbitrary as race or sex when it comes to imposing slavery on others. Veganism is not a goal, but (may be) the most fundamental first step towards a conscious civilization. Cheers & go vegan 🍀

  • @bruhman8005
    @bruhman8005 Жыл бұрын

    Physiognomy moment

  • @ilknurilhan8320
    @ilknurilhan8320 Жыл бұрын

    All the benefits vs B12 deficiency which can easily be fixed. The choice is obvious :)

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    I've never had a B12 deficiency and have never supplemented until a few years ago. Was raised vegetarian and ate no meat and hardly any dairy or eggs.

  • @cicciomattese

    @cicciomattese

    Жыл бұрын

    B12 supplements for prevention not even show benefits 😅

  • @kenjohnson6101
    @kenjohnson6101 Жыл бұрын

    How does vegetarian compare to vegan?

  • @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    Жыл бұрын

    Vegetarians typically still eat dairy. There also lacto ovo vegetarians that include eggs.

  • @mevroegopschoonveld8945

    @mevroegopschoonveld8945

    Жыл бұрын

    Vegetarians still consume dairy, honey and eggs, wear leather/fur or use other animal products... Veganism is against Speciesism, exploitation and cruelty to animals and don’t consume, wear, use any animal or animal product. For Animal Rights and Animal Liberation ! ✌🌿

  • @samiryan214

    @samiryan214

    Жыл бұрын

    vegetarians are dumb AF, it all about not eating meat only so they're sick and doing bad.

  • @lorah3005
    @lorah3005 Жыл бұрын

    👍👍

  • @Rhiunlol
    @Rhiunlol Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, as always. But you did say the negative effects and benefits, I just benefits. I have been vegan for 7 years now and have recently adopted a true WFPB diet and feeling the benefits. However, surely there must be some downsides? I thought the dental cost might be higher, but apparently not

  • @spencerharmon4669

    @spencerharmon4669

    Жыл бұрын

    He mentioned risk of B12 deficiency. Maybe you're looking for something that's not there.

  • @VeryScaryDragonRawr

    @VeryScaryDragonRawr

    Жыл бұрын

    Pretty much. Even B12 is overblown, since animal products only have vitamin B12 because the animals are fed B12 supplements. A few meat industry shills will say meat is necessary for protein, but legumes and seeds work fine, even for serious athletes, including weight lifters. Athletes who switch to plant-based diets usually do incredibly well. The only real downsides are social, like I recently had to go to a work potluck where every single dish there had animal products. Literally every single one.

  • @Rhiunlol

    @Rhiunlol

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spencerharmon4669 I guess. I wouldn't say I'm "looking" for negatives as in I'm looking to disprove him, more what to be aware of. I've been vegan for so long now that the B12 comment is just a given at this point I guess

  • @cicciomattese

    @cicciomattese

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spencerharmon4669 in his Taiwan buddist studies only vegetarians with low/null intake of animal products and NOT take B12 supplements and so with had high homocysteine and low b12 values had 70% LESS stroke than omnivorous other that less neurologic diseases (and less all other problems)

  • @cicciomattese

    @cicciomattese

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spencerharmon4669 meta-analisys and randomized trials of b12 supplements for prevention at risk population don't show benedit not even in small children

  • @susanfoley3018
    @susanfoley3018 Жыл бұрын

    Appropriate for May, the month in which I last intentionally ate animal products thanks to your podcast.

  • @aroundandround
    @aroundandround Жыл бұрын

    Would’ve thought this channel would find “negative effects” of a plant-based diets inconceivable.

  • @return2earthvideochannel
    @return2earthvideochannel Жыл бұрын

    Isn't it a fact that the animals and fish us humans eat are themselves vegetarians! Tip: If you currently pour cow milk on your breakfast cereal, try switching to Oat milk - I would never go back to animal milk!

  • @hoteltango1
    @hoteltango1 Жыл бұрын

    87% of the time, vegetarians met BP targets, everytime.

  • @jackschitt6235
    @jackschitt6235 Жыл бұрын

    This guy was sitting next to me in Wendy's a few days ago and he was having a triple 🥓🥓 cheeseburger!

  • @natalietannerblogger-theed9419
    @natalietannerblogger-theed9419 Жыл бұрын

    This should be called the pros and pros of a plant based diet. There are no cons!

  • @bacubfan1
    @bacubfan1 Жыл бұрын

    People on Dialysis can’t have a lot of beans and nuts and whole grains

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    They should have eaten a lot of beans and nuts a whole grains so they didn't have to be on dialysis.

  • @ancientone5355
    @ancientone5355 Жыл бұрын

    I have been a vegan for 48 years so I am not asking this as a critic of vegans but one thing bothers me. You do not suggest any natural way of getting B12 in this video. I think it is reasonable to assume that in the next few years it may not be possible to get manufactured foods. Two natural sources of vegan B12 are poop (which is an animal product and therefore not vegan) and duck weed. I have read that some Korean vegans do quite well on duck weed but I am advised that not all duck weed produces B12 so it is not a reliable source. How can I live as a vegan in the natural world without high technology. To put it a different way, without processed food products.

  • @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    Жыл бұрын

    Eat soil. B12 is produced by bacteria in soil. Otherwise, supplement it like the rest of us like they supplement the livestock.

  • @spencerharmon4669

    @spencerharmon4669

    Жыл бұрын

    B12 is synthesized by bacteria. Your best bet is a supplement. This is how farm animals largely get their b12 as well. Cyanocobalamin is cyanocobalamin. Don't overthink it.

  • @ancientone5355

    @ancientone5355

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spencerharmon4669 It sounds like your answer to my question is that you do not know of any natural vegan diet that would sustain human health. I know that Natural Hygienist were vegan for at least 100 years before people started extracting B12 from sewage sludge. Either a vegan diet is not possible without high technology and these people were not healthy or there is some information missing that we really need if we are forced to live with pre-20th century technology.

  • @Jeffs60

    @Jeffs60

    Жыл бұрын

    Why will it not be possible in the next few years to get manufactured foods, that's where the profit is, not so much in natural 1 ingredient ancestral foods.

  • @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    @annoyingbutmorallyconsistent

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ancientone5355 Again, B12 doesn't come from animal poop. Seriously dude, look into it. 🤦‍♀️

  • @mfkleven
    @mfkleven Жыл бұрын

    He neglected to mention risk of osteoporosis. Granted, it’s not as deadly as heart disease and cancer, but it causes serious morbidity and mortality and ought to be discussed as a real risk.

  • @cicciomattese

    @cicciomattese

    Жыл бұрын

    vegans with BMI adeguate have NOT increased risk of osteoporosis aslo if with lower calcium/d intake and so vegans with BMI adeguate and good calcium/d levels should have less osteoporosis risk cause animal products damage bones too

  • @mfkleven

    @mfkleven

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cicciomattese You are correct: the effect of a vegan diet seems to be at least partially weight-related. It’s also true that obesity is protective against osteoporosis. Regardless, in a video that reports “the negative effects and benefits of plant-based diets,” osteoporosis should be discussed. I’m not aware, however, of any evidence showing that animal products damage bones. Is there a resource you can share?

  • @cicciomattese

    @cicciomattese

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mfkleven it's not a negative effect of vegan diet in itself but simple negative effect to be underweight! In oxford studies where vegans had more fractures only subpopolation of vegans where many were underweight that Is giant risk for fractures (and aslo neurologic, cardiovascolar diseases and mortality) while the other vegan subpopolation where could not being underweight, cause with BMI only over 20, no aslo if always with lower calcium/d intake and in oxford studies vegans have much higher incidence being underweight

  • @cicciomattese

    @cicciomattese

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mfkleven example study that show animal proteins increase loss bone "A high ratio of dietary animal to vegetable protein increases the rate of bone loss and the risk of fracture in postmenopausal women. Study of Osteoporotic Fractures Research Group D E Sellmeyer et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2001 Jan. Conclusions: Elderly women with a high dietary ratio of animal to vegetable protein intake have more rapid femoral neck bone loss and a greater risk of hip fracture than do those with a low ratio. This suggests that an increase in vegetable protein intake and a decrease in animal protein intake may decrease bone loss and the risk of hip fracture. "

  • @mfkleven

    @mfkleven

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cicciomattese Excellent reference-thank you! Having read it, I’m now recalling being persuaded 20 years ago by The China Study that animal protein, due to it’s acidic nature, was the cause of osteoporosis, similar to what this study suggests. I’m less convinced now, however, since the abundance of evidence since then shows otherwise. For example, 10 years after the 2001 study, this was published stating, “There is not enough evidence currently to suggest that animal protein is superior or inferior to vegetable protein” for bone health. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20972896/ And three years ago, this was published stating, “There is no evidence that a plant-based diet, when carefully chosen to maintain adequate calcium and vitamin D levels, has any detrimental effects on bone health,” echoing your earlier claim. Clearly, eliminating animal protein has not shown benefits to bone health, and can be harmful to bone health if these nutrients are not adequately supplemented. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32618637/ To your point about osteoporosis not being an effect of a vegan diet itself but an effect of being underweight: true. But being underweight is an effect of a vegan diet. If A causes B, and B causes C, then we can say that A leads to C. We might similarly say that heart disease isn’t caused by a carnivorous diet, but by hyperlipidemia. But of course, hyperlipidemia is caused by a carnivorous diet. Therefore, we say that excessive animal intake may lead to heart disease. It’s a potential side effect if one doesn’t track and treat lipids appropriately, just like osteoporosis may be a side effect of a plant-based diet if one does not take precautions to maintain a healthy body weight and adequate calcium and vitamin D. I love your responses, by the way. I think we disagree only on semantics, not substance.

  • @GregariousAntithesis
    @GregariousAntithesis Жыл бұрын

    When someone does a study comparing a Paleo diet to those vegetarian diets then you might have something to talk about. Omnivore means Standard American diet and eating about any diet is better than a dirt comprised of 70% processed grain and seed oils. You never see a diet that doesnt include grain in any study and grain is the foundation of most and yet we still have the metabolic dysfunction, disease and obesity just at lower rates than the Standard American diet. What is its the grain that is the cause of the majority of the issues. Guarantee if you compare a paleo diet of meat, fish, eggs and whole vegs and fruit to any grain foundation diet you will see a night and day difference with the paleo diet kicking the crap out of any diet with grain.

  • @Greentrees60

    @Greentrees60

    Жыл бұрын

    This isn't true - plant chompers has a video on it

  • @GregariousAntithesis

    @GregariousAntithesis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Greentrees60 bs tell me the name or link without all the bs

  • @Greentrees60

    @Greentrees60

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GregariousAntithesis there are a lot of similar videos on his channel, but here's just one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rIN1w9KDn5zJdZM.html

  • @GregariousAntithesis

    @GregariousAntithesis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Greentrees60 no you specifically said he compared Paleo and Vegan i watched all his recent videos and no one is doing any studies comparing paleo to other grain based diets.

  • @Greentrees60

    @Greentrees60

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GregariousAntithesis well that was cool of you to watch so much. The one I was thinking of is called "STUDY: Animal-based keto vs Low-fat plant-based (Vegan) Diets for 28 days. With Kevin Hall" - if you search that you'll see it for sure

  • @allencrider
    @allencrider Жыл бұрын

    Neener, neener, neener! We're better than meatheads in each and every way. 😄

  • @jackjhmc820
    @jackjhmc820 Жыл бұрын

    Sorry... Vegetarian diet just isn't realistic for most... The best advice for most is to reduce meat intake by say from 30% initially to 80%+ reduction like elderly in okinawa have meats only occasionally. Promoting vegetarian diet on specific day in a week like Vegetarian diet on Monday only is much more palatable for the public.

  • @aroundandround
    @aroundandround Жыл бұрын

    It would be funny to watch Greger’s face if God himself descended and pronounced that eating some animal products is actually the best, so he’s been wrong most of his professional life.

  • @dustman96

    @dustman96

    Жыл бұрын

    God doesn't exist so that can't happen.

  • @JacobSTSVox
    @JacobSTSVox Жыл бұрын

    Got nothing but love for you.

  • @guerin545
    @guerin545 Жыл бұрын

    First!!

  • @tylerd.5694

    @tylerd.5694

    Жыл бұрын

    That you are Unicorn Jizz, that you are.

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