I just visit Mycenae this Sunday. The Lion Gate is beautiful and the Treasury of Atreus is very impressive.

You have the perfect voice for broadcasting. I'm glad you "do" history, my favorite topic.

@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244

3 ай бұрын

I question the premise that this is not a robotic voice-over. Nowhere ever have I heard "plague" pronounced "plaaag." It is likely an AI interpretation of a real voice as this is a common error of AI.

@HistoryTime

2 ай бұрын

He literally appears in the video several times@@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244

@billyziggler1862

Ай бұрын

To each their own I guess. This voice sounds so fake to me. It’s someone trying to make their voice sound deeper than it really is. I get it’s trying to channel the classic tv anchor voice, but it just sounds like someone trying to sound smart by sounding older. The content on the channel, however, is fantastic!

I just returned from Greece - I saw Mycenae - I stood in awe.

Your channel is one of my favorite on all this platform, and (ancient) history/myth isn't even my major focus... your writing and speech are so poetic and inspirational in a way completely unique among anyone else who covers such topics. It always strikes me as odd that you don't have more subscribers every time I watch one of your videos... but it is also true that some of my other most favorite, most worthwhile and resplendent creators, in other fields, also never go beyond a similar degree of popular renown. Thank you for what you do.

I enjoyed this documentary tremendously so much I didn’t know about the Greeks that came before the ancient Greeks were familiar with.

i just searched last night for a new upload, but no luck, so i re-re-watched the "Origins of the Proto-Indo-European" video :) imagine my elation to have this glorious gift presented front & center on my feed! always a pleasure with FoL

@user-bx8py3nc4g

3 ай бұрын

"Proto-Indo-European' - there is no such animal. Its a term invented to cover up ignrance.

@Weedwizard600

Ай бұрын

@@user-bx8py3nc4gignorance of what?

Modern Greeks are carrying the blood of Hellenized indigenous peoples. Most of the Mycenaeans were Hellenized Pelasgians and Minoans. Proto-Hellenic elites from the Yamnaya culture made an elite domination in Greece. These elites mixed in some degree with the population of the greek peninsula that's why Myceneans carried about 5%-20% genes from Yamnaya people and Minoans/ cycladics didn't. This is what the genetic studies have shown so far. BUT, from the most recent study geneticists analyzed a skeleton that belonged to a mycenean aristocrat the so-called Griffin warrior and found out that he didn't have any Yamnaya ancestry like the other ones which means that among Myceneans were also people who were completely hellenised.

@FortressofLugh

3 ай бұрын

Sure, cultures and civilizations are more than some purity spiral ideology. Not like they could test DNA anyhow. I state in the video that most of the local population was assimilated. However, the fact is that the core of the language and culture is of Indo-European origin, which other people were assimilated into, and into which they brought their own ideas.

Fortress of Lugh. Great video. The Trojan war is a timeless subject. You should make a video about who Herakles really was. I would love to see that, or Achilles!

@Drfortuito

3 ай бұрын

Hercules yeaa!!!

@dalestevenson8947

3 ай бұрын

@@Drfortuito Imagine playing as Herakles on Skyrim!

@Drfortuito

3 ай бұрын

@@dalestevenson8947 hmm..not into video games😅

@dalestevenson8947

3 ай бұрын

@@Drfortuito You are doing yourself a disservice. Skyrim is DEFINITELY worth it. Get a PS3 and a Legendary Edition. They'll be cheaper than the newer stuff. Skyrim is based on Norse mythology.

@Drfortuito

3 ай бұрын

@@dalestevenson8947 haha thanks!not in an age to play games anymore n to top it all i being a female nvr liked playing games!🥸haahaa ..i just like to read n understand mythological facts

Thank you! I was just thinking about researching a bit about them these days and you uploaded. Keep up the good work. We need more exposure of pre-Christian Europe.

I find it interesting that some people who are committed to the Indo-European origin story of the Greeks are unmoved by the DNA analysis of Mycenaean remains, at various social strata, that indicate that under 20% of the admixture derives from a steppe population. Much the same as the proto Iranian composition of northern Indian populations. I don't get it. It makes sense to me. There was an existing population that they merged with over time. It also makes sense to me that the proto-Indo-European migrations can come from more than one direction, from the Steppe and from Anatolia. Why can't both be true at the same time. Thank you for your hard work and your wonderful videos. Can't wait to see the second part.

@pacochawa2746

3 ай бұрын

Without opposition life would not be.

@n.lightnin8298

3 ай бұрын

Love this comment btw 😊

@wallyboyd

3 ай бұрын

A lot of Aryan-supremacist ideology is founded on the claim that only white-majority nations have made any great accomplishments - what they call "civilization". If they were to accept that one of the most influential and advanced empires of the ancient world didn't fit their ideal of Aryan supremacy it would shatter their ideology. It would mean using "civilized" as a term synonymous with whiteness was inaccurate. They already deny the accomplishments of ancient civilizations in Africa, the Near East, the Americas, and Asia (or they rewrite history so that any advancements were given to them by white people). Willful ignorance has no limit. If humans want to believe something enough, no amount of facts will convince us otherwise.

@alexdera5758

3 ай бұрын

Because people prefer simplicity

@magicpyroninja

3 ай бұрын

There seems to be a concerted effort throughout the world to be unwilling to notice anything new that might contradict what they told us was the truth. Not to mention thousands of historical artifacts that have gone missing in the archives because the truth of them might be inconvenient

The scenery is spectacular. Thanks for sharing!

Always a great morning to receive your new video 😊

One of the best, if no the best, videos I ever saw on ancient greece. Please continue your excellent work!

I 've been waiting for this video, since I saw your FB updates in "Agamemnon's tomb". Finally!

Great video class on the subject. Tied a few lose ends on the very limited knowledge I had on this incredibly important, for the time and for the history of the region, before and after the Bronze Age collapse, which is such an enticing topic given that we, as as we I mean experts who’ve dedicated their lives to study that immensely relevant historical event of said collapse, within the most advance indo-European civilizations, or of any in our the planet at the time. It’s unquantifiable the debt owed to people like Homer by humanity in learning of our ancient history as it’s evident how dark it can become digging back when no written records are available, wether in combination with few or any archeological ones as well. Awesome job!

Wonderful video. I very much liked the on-site filming and the highlighting of Sparta. Thank you so much.

This is the best video I've seen on Mycenaean history, you really broke things down into subjects that made me think more. I hope there's going to be a part 2

An absolutely fantastic video. Thank you for the time and research that went into the history of the Mycenaeans.

Man, your work is top shelf. We are indebted.

Awesome, thank you for posting. Have something to do now. At work, slow monday. I can watch this and answer phones.

Dude i watched a few of your vids . very well done

Thank you for the upload

Fortress of Lugh. Please remember my Little Red Riding Hood origins request.❤

Like 2 see u branching out dropping bangers

One week ago, I was thinking that everyone in the Indo-Europeans video was unconventionally cultured and civilised in the comment section. And it surprised me... until I thought that people were too focused on the rest of the information to start fighting about Greece. Then I wondered what would happen if you dropped an origin video of Greeks with you being in Greece and all. And you did! You did it!!! I expect mahem and bickering in the comments. Braze yourselves! This is going to be fun.

@pacochawa2746

3 ай бұрын

Lol. If there aint not passion.

I really enjoy your videos. This another really informative and interesting one. I’m from Brooklyn NY and I have quite a few Greek friends. I was always fascinated by their pre-classical period. There is a lot of rich history to be learned.

Great work!!

Great work

I gotta say that was a deft pivot to mentioning your sponsor. Legal Eagle is the gold standard, masterclass sponsor pivoteer... and I think your plugging of SurfShark just now was on that level... keep up the good work :P

Fantastic as always.

Have to stop you there: in Greece burial mounds are already there in the Neolithic, read Childe's European Civilization, he knew about it already. If the Yamnaya are called mound-builders, a common error is to think they were the only ones to get buried under mounds.

@Ario-yt8ou

3 ай бұрын

where does Childe say that exactly?

@Ian-yf7uf

3 ай бұрын

The mound burials aren't like the Mycenaean tombs, which have material culture which mirrors populations in Armenia and Anatolia 2400 BC to 2200 BC. The evidence of an influx and invasion of Mycenaeans, which brought Indo European language into Greece is fairly conclusive. The Coming of the Greeks by Robert Drews outlined it quite well.

@Ario-yt8ou

3 ай бұрын

@@Ian-yf7uf The Mycenaean tombs date from the 17th century BC onwards not 2400-2200 BC.

@Ian-yf7uf

3 ай бұрын

@@Ario-yt8ou the material cultures connected to Mycenaeans found in Anatolia and Armenia date from 2400-2200 BC

@Ario-yt8ou

3 ай бұрын

@@Ian-yf7uf That's 500-700 years earlier. I think you're confused.

Thanks for the good video

In the European cartography of the fifteenth to eighteenth centuries, "Grecia" included Dalmatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, the coastal area of Asia Minor, Albania, and the Aegean islands (Karathanasis 1991, 9). For the Western audience in Germany, Austria, and Hungary, "Greek" (Greek Orthodox) was synonymous with Orthodoxy (Stoianovich 1960, 290). Regardless of their ethnic origins, most Greek Orthodox Balkan merchants of the eighteenth century spoke Greek and often assumed Greek names; they were referred to as "Greeks" in the sense that they were of the "Greek" religion. During the eighteenth century, the ge- ographic dispersion and the urban nature of the Greek ethnie in the Balkan peninsula transformed the "Greeks" into a Balkan urban class (Svoronos 1981, 58). Hence, the "Greeks" were not only the ethnic Greeks but generally included all the Orthodox merchants and peddlers, many of whom were Grecophone or Hellenized Vlachs, Serbs, or Orthodox Albanians. Roudometof, V. (2001) Nationalism, globalization, and orthodoxy: The social origins of ethnic conflict in the Balkans. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press. p.54

@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115

3 ай бұрын

And none of them looked like iranian, arabs or africans.

@panagiotisloukas3064

3 ай бұрын

Until the 1700s, all of them considered themselves as Romans.

@klodianbiba2142

3 ай бұрын

the so supposed ethnic greek were a small % to not say their was not ethnic greek at all...the majority of the population was of albanian origine...while its not clear how the ethnic greeks got extinct...and considering the fact that alexander the great and diogenis of synope were speaking albanian back in the day...we can say or suppose in a way that the ethnic greeks were from the race of illyrian albanian origine...and that they were of the palazgian descendent while in east south of albania territory has been discoveret human settelmans dateing 8 to 10 thousend years old...which we can relate them to the pelazgians inhabited these areas.

@OKay-ox3kh

3 ай бұрын

Found the Turkish nationalist look at his name lol.

@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115

3 ай бұрын

@@klodianbiba2142 But still native Europeans unlike the "new europeans" so beloved by the EU.

Well done.

Great video!

That was so good! Amazing video...thank you so much for your work!

The most fascinating aspect about these people is what we don't know about them. Same for the "Minoans" (which I'm sure most here knows wasn't how they referred to themselves). Very good content upload.

I'm Lebanese and we have about 15% Greek DNA by default. This is because our Phoenician ancestors (who hailed from the northern Levant) mixed with other Mediterranean peoples, including Greeks (and Sardinians). I consider the Greeks as my Mediterranean cousins, and many of them feel the same way. As an interesting aside, Lebanese have Steppe Ancestry as well. Cool stuff. Thanks for the great vid.

@OKay-ox3kh

3 ай бұрын

Id say your cousins are Egyptians and Iraqis and other Semitic people. Greeks are genetically more related to other southern Europeans like Spaniards and Italians especially southern Italians and to some extent Turks but that’s because Turks have some Greek in them. But the cultural exchange between Greeks and Phoenicians in ancient times is undeniable. But Italians and Greeks are more than cousins id say a brother people. The interconnectedness of Greeks and Italians is undeniable.

@aag3752

3 ай бұрын

@@OKay-ox3kh Incorrect. Please read this if you want to get it right: Lebanese are Phoenicians. The Phoenicians were 50% Caucasian (from the Caucuses). Neither Iraqis nor Egyptians have this DNA. In addition we have Steppe ancestry from both Phoenician times and the Byzantine Empire. Like other Lebanese people my Levantine DNA consists of Phoenician, Greek, and broadly Southern European. ( I also happen to have some northern European admixture, but this isn't everyone). Hence, our closest relatives are in fact Greeks and Syrians (who border us). Semitic is not a dna btw, it's a language family. For a quick reference, see the video called "Genetic origins of the Lebanese" here on yt.

@OKay-ox3kh

3 ай бұрын

@@aag3752 Lebanese are Semitic and are interconnected with other Semitic and Afro-asiatic groups. Deny that all you want. I’ve talked to Egyptians and people from gulf states that consider Lebanese as their brothers. Arab speaking people feel connected together this is why almost every Arab speaking country supports Palestine and views the Palestinian people as their kin. Again in ancient time there is not denying the cultural exchange between Phoenicians and Greeks. But Phoenicians themselves were connected to Egypt, and North Africa like Carthage.

@aag3752

3 ай бұрын

​@@OKay-ox3kh "But Phoenicians themselves were connected to Egypt, and North Africa like Carthage." ___________________________________ This is an empty comment. First of all, Carthage was established by the Phoenicians. It was indeed the western extension of Phoenicia, but that has nothing to do with Egypt. Or Iraq. Which are the countries you brought up. Second, the Greeks and Romans were connected to the Middle East as well, through trade and political matters. But this is part of the point--Mediterranean people are historically linked. We're also presently linked, you just didn't know (or don't care to find out). If it's language and religion you're thinking about, well here are the facts. Most Lebanese (including in the diaspora) aren't Muslims. They're Christians and atheists. In that regard, we relate more to westerners (and to the minority of Levantine people who follow Christianity/atheism). As far as language, yes, this is the only thing that gives us a real connection to other Middle Easterners. This is why Egyptians might have told you that they consider Palestinians are their "kin." They don't actually think they're they have the same dna or have the same culture. That part is different, as culture goes way beyond language. We're proud of speaking Arabic just as with every other language we know. But a language doesn't automatically make us incapable of being similar to other people who don't speak it. To say otherwise is to contradict the facts. You can ask Greeks yourself what they think. But I don't have to prove anything to you, and I don't care for your attitude in telling me that I'm denying anything. I've given you the facts in detail, which I didn't even have to do. But now you know it. I won't entertain any further remarks about who you *think we are according to your preconceived notions.

@OKay-ox3kh

3 ай бұрын

@@aag3752 Lebanese are a Semitic middle eastern people that’s a cold hard fact. You’re connected to other middle eastern and Semitic people through language, culture, genetics, history, geography, and religion. There nothing wrong with that.

❤ You have a unique voice. I always like listening to your nickname voice.

How you know the Pelasgians were'nt Indo-European? There is virtually no remnants of their language nor if they had ever existed.

whoa. never heard anyone pronounce 'plague' that way. great video!

enjoyed the program, the pre-Indo-European early Farmer migrations from Anatolia thru this area are of much interest to me and the early cultures derived from them are interesting. Have been told that Mycenae in early language was said as mic-ken-eye. Minoan people of early Crete also likely of the early Farmer peoples, in part at least, as the migrations dig include Crete early on, before the Indo-European steppe migrations. It makes me wonder how many of the early myths and legends stem from the time the peoples met and first mixed etc. long before the Hellenic culture and time period.

Excellent, thank you

When I first gazed upon the Lion Gate, I was stunned, simply in awe. Land of legend even to the ancients...

Farsight Intuition a remote viewing sight has some interesting findings about the gods and much more

Good video thanks

What music do you use? There’s another KZreadr, Maiorianus, who uses that music in all his videos. I really enjoy listening to fellow history enthusiasts sharing their views on our collective past. 👏

The imagination and skill of the rhapsodes, working with folk motifs, enthrall us still ;-)

Amazing. And so tragic that BROTHERS have to fight.

I look forward for the nexts parts! *Based British dad btw.

Hah 😆 it happened again. I awake to find you uploaded a video about the exact subject I just happened to look at before I went to sleep.

Interesting thought: the Lazaridis southern arc paper seems to suggest that speakers of Indo European and Indo Anatolian languages had a common homeland, and that these languages are somewhat related. While Steppe people's expanded north and northwest, early European Farmers, which likely carried the Indo Anatolian cousin branch of Indo Europeans, went into Europe. Whilst the early European farmer peoples were defeated by steppe derived people's, in Greece, due to the favorable conditions for farming, was much larger and we're able to defend and keep the conquering steppe related people at bay. Since they spoke a similar cousin language and itsmore likely that after not being able to conquer Greece militarily, they decided to integrate and farm with the local population, these cousin languages and culture just naturally came together. These similarities allowed the assimilation to become easier- that would explain the relatively small (but significant)steppe ancestry of Myceneans in general even in elite positions- and would explain how prevalent Indo European language was in Greece without needing to establish some 'steppe elite's theory.

loved it

What is the background music? Who is the artist? Where could i find this? I really want to have it on CD. Please tell id much appreciate

Thanks for using the DNA science into your lecture. As you demonstrate, there's much speculation in history that can be clarified through DNA testing.

@10:40 This way of thinking may also be in part to Homer skimping on physical descriptions. Hair and skin color are rarely mentioned in the epic, with the exception of Achilles who is repeatedly mentioned to have blonde or red hair.

Good video.

Bookmark 31:45 50:52

Love hearing your research. If you are truly seeking you should hear all sides perhaps. Disbelief might be harmfull and being naive of course as well.

made a damn good advertisement for surfshark.

Great Documentary. Well researched and insightful, very well done 👏 👊🍻🫠💪💪 Kudos 🙇🙏

Such an amazing channel i found now only❤🎉

Seems to me that most Indo-Europeans in Greece didn't establish themselves from the steppe, but from Anatolia. Renfro turned out to be sort of right. Very little steppe in Mycenean remains- and they remain similar to Minoans.

@OKay-ox3kh

3 ай бұрын

Very true the stepp ancestry in modern and classical Greeks mostly came from the Dorians. Mycenaeans we’re genetically identical to Minoans

@petrapetrakoliou8979

3 ай бұрын

The steppe origin of the Indo-Europeans doesn't hold water, at least compared to the Anatolia-Greece-south of the Caucasus theory.

In the latest studies Proto-Indo-European is not located in the steppe and is much more ancient than previously thought. Check out in the journal Science 2023 "Language trees with sampled ancestors support a hybrid model for the origin of Indo-European languages". After this, an origin in the steppe is highly unlikely for the Proto-Indo-European speakers. A North-Near-Eastern location is much more favoured. The steppe theory never made sense to me anyway: all major branches of the family are located in the Mediterranean and around Anatolia. So the Greeks may have been a very, very ancient population in Greece, or they replaced another already Indo-european population.

@candylandi5351

3 ай бұрын

IE were from Eastern Ukraine and Western Russia's steppe, this is a fact. The people who push for the Middle Eastern origins are just paid anti-European servants.

@Ario-yt8ou

3 ай бұрын

That's what you call a 'garbage in, garbage out' study.

@Ario-yt8ou

3 ай бұрын

"all major branches of the family are located in the Mediterranean and around Anatolia". Um, no they're not?

@OKay-ox3kh

3 ай бұрын

I truly believe we will find new evidence to support the Anatolian theory. The Anatolian theory makes so much more sense.

@petrapetrakoliou8979

3 ай бұрын

@@Ario-yt8ou Ok, you can discount Germanic and Slavic and Tokharian. (although Slavic is attested in modern times). But all the rest is there. So ancient and modern Indo-European languages around Anatolia and Greece show the most variation, a strong indication of the proximity of the place of origin.

Honestly I never thought I would have a good thing to say about my old high school. But they made sure we knew that modern Greeks were the descendants of ancient Greeks and were a Mediterranean people . Therefore they look exactly as they should historically . This is honestly the first time i've heard this Arian theory thing

@user-lc6oe1ie8j

2 ай бұрын

This video is PROPAGANDA. Indo-European theory is PROPAGANDA Schliemann and Evans built FAKE PALACES IN GREECE and if you want to find more information s about the Aryans you will find at Hitler 's PROPAGANDA.

Besides being good history, this is a remarkably perceptive larger cultural interpretation of Homer. It fits the text well, and shows how, from the later perspective of Homer's age, the conquest of Troy was indeed pyrrhic, and even an overall tragic historical arc critiquing the macho patriarchal behavior of Agamemnon and other kings. As Aeschylus would also point out, they badly neglected and disrespected the values of the oikos, the hearth and feminine side of human nature--no more so than Agamemnon sacrificing his daughter as payment for killing all the sons and daughters of Troy (a bit too much revenge for just Helen). The greatest literature is never simply some celebration of a culture and its heroes; it also recognizes the seeds of destruction, from the limits of human nature, baked into the culture's highest ideals.

TEΛΕΙΟ (PERFECT) FROM A GREEK

Cool doc. One thing, that animal pictured was a glass lizard or legless lizard, not a snake.

It is the nature of Life (the All in One in All) to function/serve as a diversified unity of infinite potential, eternally actualizing as a unifided diversity or Uni-verse. We are Life at Large, eternally actualizing Infinite potential, because only Eternity can fully embrace Infinity. Thus, we are all It toban unknowable/inexhaustible extent, as the facets of a Diamond are 'both' distinct from each other 'and' the Diamond itself. Love is the recognition of our shared Being.

More DNA research points to the fact that Steppe admixture increased during the Iron Age. By some 5 to 10 precent.

Cool as hell

I've spent time living in Athens. I've heard quite a few Greeks say the same thing about ' They are not the same people as the ancient Greeks , due to the Turks'

Do we know anything about the populations before the Proto-Indo-Europeans? Do you have/can you make videos about them? Also, can you make a video about the Bulgars and how they came to the Balkans (yeah, we're small and very niche audience, maybe incorporate it into a bigger topic)?

A very spooky voice, spooky music VPN ad.

Hold on. Why do people keep saying 'ancestor' when it's people that come AFTER them? Did this meaning change or am I missing something?

After watching this. I'd love videos on Perseus and his adventures as well Andromeda and weather she would've actually been Ethiopian. Some of your comments in this video on Danae makes me think theres alot I don't know about these characters.

No, Zeus in classical Greek was more like dzay -oos, not like the modern Zeoos used in this video. And Io was pronounced ee-oh, not eye-oh. In fact, it still is among the classically educated.

@Dice_roller

3 ай бұрын

Z-deh-oose.

@KAZVorpal

3 ай бұрын

@@Dice_roller I think the merged Z in classical Greek is like a fusion of the two, not one sound and then the other, and so either dz or zd is arguably correct, though I have the impression that dz is a better rendering, and consistent with so many other European languages. As for the rest, are you intending to say that the z and d are separate completely, instead of a merged sound like it was in classical Greek? And since we're trying to write these things out phonetically, that final E implies that you want it pronounced. But I think you were just adding it as a silent E, which isn't normally done in phonetic spelling?

11:00 devolution from godlike Achilles to Stavros, the gyros vendor.

We have almost nothing to do with steppe Indo-European tribes but we came from Southern West Anatolia. Pelasgians where proto Greeks and not another nation.

🎉 can you explain the reason the Helles Republic. Have no monuments 😢 in Cheronea ❤, the must important battlefield in human history❤.It looks to me they want to forget😢 saludos❤

Hi kindly make a video on tamils and how nd when did vedas from iran mix up with Indians..

Slàinte mhath Caoimhin.

lugh in serbian (lug) means forrest. the word still exists today. there are multiple names of multiple villages named this way still.

@giorgosstamatopoulos8115

10 күн бұрын

LOGGOS = ΛΟΓΓΟΣ = THICK FORREST , IN GREEK

@progresstothestars

10 күн бұрын

@@giorgosstamatopoulos8115 well, I told them ancient Greeks are actually Serbs but they don't believe me. Languages can be twisted a bit, as seen and witnessed. They call this "reform". Especially if we consider linear A and linear B, Mynoan etc. Oh right. Loziti Latinic (ложити Cyrillic ) means to stoke, heat (a wood, or fire).

PLEASE DO ORIGINS OF POLAND

@FortressofLugh

3 ай бұрын

I will eventually. I am working on a broader but closely related subject at present which will come out at the end of the month.

Just for Sparta you got a like

Facts as you say are actually theories and opinions. How you interpret evidence does not equal facts.

Greeks adoption of proto cannanite or this very alphabetical exodus we also use with Greek letters imposed was rather late as you mentioned around 800bc. So most of homer is in a traditional writing that is accompanied by that very Egyptian, Levant phonecian, 1st temple mosaic kadokite Judaism traditions and influences. Its just how comes down to us but definitely appears to have done very well in preserving known details of a much older linear A & B mycenean scripts.

I’m not convinced this isn’t Mr. Mythos with a voice changer.

You forgot the spartan kick D:

"So if you're planning a trip to Greece and you're planing to cram as much Greek as you can..." damn. How'd you know why I'm going to Greece?

You get a like and a comment for the Sparta reference.

11:09 who said that the steppe people had no fair skin and blue eyes ?? Where do you think these traits come from in hindu kush area ?? Check also ancient chinese accounts on the fair skinned, red haired 'savages' who lived in the steppe on the western border of china. Also check the accounts of ancient persian travelers describing the mongol aristocracy as tall, green eyed and red haird 😉

Modern Greek does descend directly from Mycenaean! Look a little better your chart: it comes from Attic, which became later on the Koiné in Hellenistic times and which is at the base of almost all present Greek dialects, except for a very small remnant of Doric in a village in the Pelopinnissos.

@FortressofLugh

3 ай бұрын

That chart is not actually accurate, it was just a convenient open source graphic

@vanmars5718

3 ай бұрын

Does it matter? It's like having any difference that modern standard Italian is coming from the dialect of Tuscany and not of Rome. It doesn't matter

@petrapetrakoliou8979

3 ай бұрын

@@FortressofLugh It is actually accurate on this point. I was more talking out of knowledge of the subject myself. Most books on the evolution of Greek language will confirm this. Modern Greek is a direct descendant of Mycenaean as charted there through the intermission of the Athenian language, which was actually a minority in the classical period compared to Doric, which practically has no descendants today to simplify (apart from one or two old people in a remote village in the Peloponnese).

@cossak1453

Ай бұрын

not a village, a region...Tsakonia! and up until migrations following WWII and the Greek Civil War, the region's villagers spoke something very close to ancient Dorian...@@petrapetrakoliou8979

You are very accurate... And what i love about you is that you don't give space to racist history theories

@FortressofLugh

Ай бұрын

That sometimes cuts both ways sometimes. I just try to present what is true, as best I understand it.

The steppe people were not blond and blue eyed lol. They were relatively medium complexion with Europid features

Arcadian’s were Akkadians from Sumer.

The "Greeks" IMO are the resulting admixture and not the Indo-European invaders. They came with the first version of the Greek language, but we cannot call both the newcomers and the resulting mixture of populations by the same term, "Greeks".

♪♫♥Very Interesting - Thank you for sharing, may your Fortress of Lugh stay forever !

The Ancient Danaans and Achaeans sat at the feet of the Ancient Egyptians, absorbing their culture and Deities and science.

@Dice_roller

3 ай бұрын

That is an Afrocentric lie.

My Spartan Greek friend is blonde and blue-eyed!

@Dice_roller

3 ай бұрын

So? That doesn't mean anything as most Greeks then and now aren't.

@spiritualhumanist

2 ай бұрын

Ask him to do a DNA test.