Are you guys liking these longer videos? *Minor note: The Baltimore Colts won the Super Bowl in 1971, although it's technically the 1970 team.

@ninjaspeedyb4972

8 ай бұрын

Heck yeah as long as you keep making bangers

@punkaludunk

8 ай бұрын

Love it!

@bradshdy456

8 ай бұрын

Yes, just don't go secret base level, please. They did an 7 hour show just on the vikings.

@hdo614

8 ай бұрын

Love these long form videos!

@scapermid282

8 ай бұрын

YES

I've lived in Baltimore for the past two decades, and... yeah, the city is *still* mad about that. Indy had a road game here this past weekend, and to this day, the scoreboard operators will not call them the Colts, the scoreboard will read "Ravens" and "Indy", and the PA Announce team introduces them as "The Indianapolis Professional Football Team". And, I'm pretty sure, as long as Johnny Unitas is in the Hall of Fame as an Indianapolis Colt, despite never having played a down in that city, yeah, this city will *always* be mad about this.

@bahrsoap73

8 ай бұрын

Johnny Unitas isn't in the Hall of Fame as an Indianapolis Colts. He, and all of the NFL Hall and Famers, and just in the hall of fame, they don't represent any specific team they played for.

@pbrice1215

8 ай бұрын

I throw eggs at every mayflower truck I see

@MuddieRain

8 ай бұрын

@@pbrice1215sure you do lol

@Venom3254

8 ай бұрын

Y'all did the same to the og Browns

@DDRaHolic

8 ай бұрын

This is awesome. Thanks for sharing.

You know it's bad when a lifelong Browns fan calls your team "the most miserable".

@marcelagiorgi3450

8 ай бұрын

lmao

@leancarter6308

8 ай бұрын

the browns weren’t always bad

@mysteriousj3019

8 ай бұрын

​@@leancarter6308the colts haven't been either, so your point doesn't really work

@leancarter6308

8 ай бұрын

@@mysteriousj3019 my point holds a lot of merit. I’m responding to a browns joke. I didn’t say shit about the colts nor did the original post.

@Cole444Train

7 ай бұрын

It’s just projection

I’m related to Jerry Don Logan (safety for the Colts from 63-72). After what Bob Irsay did, he despised the franchise and is a huge fan of the Ravens.

@jeremywilliams1801

8 ай бұрын

I mean I don't blame irsay the city was literally trying to still his team by claiming eminet domain

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

Logan was a solid safety, and made three pro bowls.

@timottes334

8 ай бұрын

There was actually a case to be made for the Baltimore Colts being a quasi public interest and not solely a private interest. Baltimore was made to buy a certain amount of season tickets before it could be readmitted into the NFL in 1953... Baltimore bought 25, 000 season tickets to get those private owners that franchise... And this initial investment by the people of Baltimore... was the main reason that that franchise became one of... if not the best fan supported franchise in the NFL until about 1974... 22 seasons. Therefore, the argument could be made that there was partial public ownership/initial investment of that team, and that the initial investors/season ticket holders had a right to have a say in the disposition of that franchise; or due to the fact that the public was the entity responsible for getting that franchise to Baltimore, and not the ownership group... the team could not be sold out from under Baltimore or moved out of Baltimore... It wasn't... yeah you've got the team private owners, now go sell season tickets to the best of your ability... it was public action/investment that gave that private ownership group that franchise. Until Irsay... I would venture that most of those season ticket holders or their family members remained season ticket holders with many more joining them due to the Colts' success on the field. This is just anectdotal... but I think it was hard to get a season ticket for the Baltimore Colts, then... & hard to get tickets for individual games, as well. I was very young then, but remember my Father saying it was useless to try to get tickets for a game unless you knew somebody with tickets whom you could buy them from, or knew someone that would give you their seats for a game... The impression was... you couldn't get tickets... @@jeremywilliams1801

@charlesclark3840

8 ай бұрын

@@jeremywilliams1801 Also the Ravens/Browns did the exact same thing to Cleveland that the Colts did to Baltimore, but the Ravens fans are cool with that. It is like having your car stolen, and then going out and stealing someone else's car and calling it justice.

@ultravenia

8 ай бұрын

@@jeremywilliams1801 Yeah, it's a bad idea to try eminent domain on anything that can leave town.

The Jon Bois influence is cool and appreciated, and you're adding to it. The film footage of that older man who was obviously broken by the loss of a Sunday tradition made it hit home.

2 seconds in and shocked it’s not the lions

@Jame5man

8 ай бұрын

The Lions are pathetic, not miserable

@steel749

8 ай бұрын

Or the cardinals

@Younima4

8 ай бұрын

​@@Jame5manno u

@hanschristopherson8056

8 ай бұрын

Or the browns

@Taalsman

8 ай бұрын

Says alot about the Baltimore Colts dont it?

The mayflower incident will forever be one of the most heartless, yet weirdest incidents of relocation in all of sports history. Will also probably be the most shocking next to the Rams leaving St. Louis, the near extinction of the Browns when they became the Ravens, the Quebec Nordiques becoming the Colorado Avalanche, and Supersonics leaving Seattle to become the OKC Thunder. Just tragic and as a Pats fan, I wouldn't imagine what history would've looked like if the Pats moved out of New England back in the 90s. Just still crazy they moved out with MOVING VANS IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT!!

@fbistatmajor5918

8 ай бұрын

Rams wasn't a shock. Everyone knew kroenke wanted LA

@liquidemotionzz3232

8 ай бұрын

​@@fbistatmajor5918 it was a shock to everyone not in LA

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

Where were the Patriots going to be moved to?

@Kylora2112

8 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 St. Louis before Robert Kraft bought the team (Kraft was a huge Pats fan and bought the team to keep them in Mass.).

@rorycraft5453

8 ай бұрын

The Rams started in Cleveland in 1936 moving in from another league. The Rams won the NFL title in 1945 and moved to Los Angeles as another highly publicized team from another league was starting operations in the All America Football Conference (AAFC) called the Browns. The Rams were in Los Angeles from 1946 - 1994, then the bolted to Saint Louis and returned to Los Angeles in 2016. These owners of professional sports franchises really care about loyal fans, don't they? An impact of the Rams moving to Los Angeles and the AAFC having the Los Angeles Dons and San Francisco 49ers franchises was that The MLB baseball franchises New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers moved out west. I agree with you in that nothing tops the Colts moving out of Baltimore in the middle of the night!

As a part of the younger generation of NFL fans, I didn’t really understand how much the important the Baltimore Colts were an iconic piece of league history

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

From the late 50’s to the mid 70’s, the Colts were consistently one of the best teams. They had the three titles they mentioned, and a further championship appearance in 1964, Super Bowl appearance in 1968, and one last conference championship appearance in 1971 (that team had a 38 year old Johnny Unitas, but allowed the fewest first downs of any team since the merger). Overall an excellent run.

@charles-cjbox4661

8 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 Johnny U has to be a top 10 player ever

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

@@charles-cjbox4661You could probably make that argument. Unitas was the primary starting quarterback for every team I referenced other than the 68 Super Bowl team (before spending his final season in 1973 with the Chargers). Though it could be argued that a knee injury in the 1968 preseason effectively ended his prime, and that he was out of prime in the early 70’s (and 37 and 38 are indeed older ages for a quarterback back then). Either way though, he had an amazing career. Ten pro bowls, seven all pros, led in passer rating three times, won three MVP’s and received votes another four times, he’s the only player to lead the league in passing touchdowns for four straight seasons (from 1957-1960), and he was a three time champion.

@felixcolon599

8 ай бұрын

Yea Indianapolis doesn't have a nice ring to it and def cheapen3d thr brand before manning was there

@timottes334

8 ай бұрын

Baltimore Colts have 4 NFL Titles - 1958, 1959, 1968, 1970 & lost the 1964 NFL Title Game & the Baltimore Ravens have two NFL Titles - 2000 & 2012. So, six NFL Titles for the City of Baltimore - 1958, 1959, 1968, 1970, 2000, 2012.@@fortynights1513

2:27 the fact that KTO traveled back in time to go to this game shows his dedication

The Baltimore Colts fans were heartborken when they moved the team to Indy, but they were happy when model moved the Browns to Cleveland, the Fans in Cleveland were heartbroken too

@blank964

8 ай бұрын

Yeahhhh it makes me dislike Ravens fans. The people of Baltimore to this day will complain about Irsay but had no qualms about ripping another city's team away from them.

@aidanbohr4617

8 ай бұрын

Not at all the same. I get Art Modell was a shady dude, but Cleveland was guaranteed to get a new team fairly early on in that process. Got to keep the “history” and those hideous uniforms while people in Bmore had no idea when we’d have a new team. Yes Modell screwed over Cleveland, it wasn’t half as bad as what the Irsay’s did

@RAAM855

8 ай бұрын

​@@blank964difference is Browns fans dudmt have to wait long to get another team AND unlike the Ravens. They kept their historical records. Indy stole all the accomplishments the Baltimore Colts did

@jeremywilliams1801

8 ай бұрын

@@RAAM855 maybe the city shouldn't have tried to steal the team 🤷

@RAAM855

8 ай бұрын

@@jeremywilliams1801 cities should steal teams more often. Look how Oakland is getting fucked over by the As. Look how St.Louis got fucked over by the Rams

Born in 1993, here in Baltimore. The tension between Baltimoreans and the Colts hasn't resided since. I understand the heartbreak of losing a team you cherished, BUT the city (Mayor Schaeffer) broke a literal amendment to take the team from Irsay. Albeit a drunken bastard of a manchild, but nonetheless, it was all on the City of Baltimore for not accommodating the demands.

@adamdorgant9454

7 ай бұрын

You’re right about that, and Reading about the Colts move to Indianapolis years later, Baltimore Deserved to Lose the Colts, and why, the city of Baltimore no longer supported the team, and the main reason why, because Baltimore was Stupid enough not to build a new stadium for the Colts, no wonder the Colts moved to Indianapolis!!!!

@dieseljester3466

6 ай бұрын

@@adamdorgant9454 agree. And I think that the Colts leaving for Indy is what eventually spurred Baltimore to building new stadiums for both the O's and a yet to be determined NFL team. Granted, I am sad that Memorial Stadium is nothing more than a memory now, but I'm glad that Baltimore got the new facilities.

@adamdorgant9454

6 ай бұрын

@@dieseljester3466Besides, Memorial Stadium was an aging stadium which was not a fit stadium for Pro Football anyway!!!!

One thing I love about all of this... from the time that Indianapolis acquired the Colts, to the time they finally won a Super Bowl with them... in those intervening years, in addition to the 2000 Super Bowl, Baltimore also won both a USFL championship and a freaking *CFL* championship.

@fsanmiguel666

8 ай бұрын

It took them finally drafting Peyton Manning in 1998 for the Colts to finally be relevant again after being the punching bag for so long

@Venom3254

8 ай бұрын

​@@fsanmiguel666At least they had that small glimpse of success in 1995 when they made it to the AFC title game prior to that.

@dougefresh8029

8 ай бұрын

K explain the grey cup.(cfl championship) I read a little on it but this is incredibly interesting actually. Now the Montreal allouettes used to be Baltimore stallions. I’ll let you explain. I’m just reading off google.

@zombiedodge1426

8 ай бұрын

While CFL expansion to the US was a spectacular failure (remember the Sacramento Gold Miners?) the Baltimore team drew crowds of over 50,000 at home. That's probably why they got the Ravens.

@OttawaRocks

4 ай бұрын

@@zombiedodge1426 Agreed, Baltimore was the only American city that enthusiastically supported their CFL team.

The Irsay family really needs a documentary too

@ericbarlow6772

7 ай бұрын

Like the Model family: How to screw up your team so badly you have to move it out of an iconic location.

@Thrillhouse90

7 ай бұрын

I’d watch that.👍

The ending of this video just made me feel like the Browns were the ones who got screwed.

@coreylevine8095

8 ай бұрын

Yes they still haven't gone to the Super Bowl yet

As a Bears fan, can't wait until the 2023 Bears take the Colts' place! But in all seriousness, love your content, KTO, and have for years. Keep up the good work, brother.

@xavierxerxes6254

8 ай бұрын

Second and third this

@MustacheDLuffy

8 ай бұрын

Funny enough the bears are much better than they’ve been in the past. 90s bears were rough

@teodelfuego

8 ай бұрын

The Game From Hell is tomorrow: Denver Donkeys (0-3) versus the Bad News Bears (0-3) for the title of worst team in history

@iels7346

8 ай бұрын

​@@teodelfuegoBears will lose, but only because you can't beat a dead horse.

@teodelfuego

8 ай бұрын

@@iels7346 that’s pretty darn funny!

I was at the last Baltimore Colt game on December 18, 1983. It's been 40 years, but I still despise the Indy team. We in Baltimore pass down that hatred to the next generation. When the Browns moved to Baltimore, Art Modell tried to buy the Colt name and colors from Drunky Bob and and his Addict Jimmy. They wanted some enormous amount of money for them. How much money do you need to buy MD 20/20 and crack? They destroyed a once proud franchise.

KTO, I don’t think you know how much all your viewers appreciate how much time and effort you put into your videos. Thanks man! 💯 God bless! ❤

@devinm9245

8 ай бұрын

truly

One of the greatest tank bowl of the time was the 81 Pats vs Colts. The tank bowl winner unfortunately ended up passing up on the like Marcus Allen, Mike Munchak the following years draft. My Pats took Kenneth Sims that year who was disappointing mostly due to injury. But the Pats draft at that time did end up with a hall of famer in Andre Tippett

@bryanburnap4537

5 ай бұрын

My Pats as well. From Worcester:) yeah I was 8 in 81 and my first Pats game I remember was losing to Joe Ferguson and the Bills on a hail Mary and then I remember all the talk about the Stuper Bowl and the Patriots vs the Colts. Not a great year for your first as being a Pats fan but it definitely makes you appreciate the good times !

Robert was a bad owner and did some crazy stuff but if he had stayed what would the team had looked like with him battling the city for it?

I still remember the Sporting News ran a cover story on the new head coaching hires in Baltimore with Frank Kush and Mike Ditka in Chicago. If I remember correctly the article was titled “Tough As Nails.” That was the summer after my 10th grade year.

Excellent job KTO. This is a team that should be remembered for its infamy. It’s a story that does get lost a lot of times. Do more of these plz

@codyb.3015

7 ай бұрын

Colts are one of the least dirty, dorkiest, hokey teams in the league, but you want it to be remembered in infamy because they left Baltimore 40 years ago. It's an interesting historical footnote in the NFL, and I promise you as an Indianapolis Colts fan "Irsay left in the middle of the night" is very well known, it's just old af and nobody genuinely cares but old people, that's a fact.

@quasimoto7662

7 ай бұрын

@@codyb.3015 I’m more talking about how some squads for a period were absolutely horrendous, and terrible teams as a whole deserve to be remembered more for their infamy. For a period of 4-5 years this was one of the worst spells of football in modern nfl history. That alone is worth remembrance.

Found your channel recently and have been binge watching all of your videos, the format and how you keep it interesting is amazing, how you don’t have millions of subs already is shocking. Also love the sit com style intro to the team lol great work man loving the channel.

The fact they gave up over 40 points when forcing 6 turnovers is unreal. Incredible work KTO

Baltimore did have the Stallions of the Canadian Football League back in 1994 and wanted to be named the CFL Colts but an injunction prevented that from happening and were simply the CFLers, they were the first and only American based CFL team to win the Grey Cup in 1995 before dismantling at season’s end and becoming the third incarnation of the Montreal Alouettes the next year because they didn’t want to compete with the Ravens who came to town from Cleveland that same year. The Stallions were the more successful team among the other US based teams during the CFL’s experiment as they drew well over 30,000 fans per game and had players and coaches with extensive CFL experience.

I love these documentary style KTO videos

I’m honestly surprised that the eminent domain law and everything around that could be left out of a video including the colts move from Baltimore. It’s kind of a huge piece of information left out of a video reporting on this

@hiawathabeast

8 ай бұрын

that's the part that everyone likes to leave out, another part they leave out is that the previous owner carroll rosenbloom had to put up with the same issues irsay had with baltimore officials and memorial stadium. it got to the point where carroll wanted out and traded teams with irsay to be the rams owner.

@charlesclark3840

8 ай бұрын

It was given very little mention, but not left out.

@johncate9541

7 ай бұрын

This is about the 1981 Colts, not something that happened three years later. The Colts didn't move until early in 1984.

Interesting video. Seems like the craziness in the Irsay family runs deep, im only familiar with the current Irsay Jim. Kinda feel a little bad for the guy now.

@Thrillhouse90

7 ай бұрын

Me too. I heard he was slapped around pretty good as a child by his drunken father. A couple of the Colts players intervened during one incident on the team bus. They were tired of looking the other way when Sr. would insult and publicly berate Jr.

If you compare this with the 2008 Lions and the 2016-17 Browns, those teams may have had bad owners, but in no circumstance were those teams moving. This is bad not only because the Colts were historically bad, but all of the rumors of Irsay came into play. Also, I can't believe they passed on Dennis Smith in 1981 when they had like 2 quality backs.

What people don't realize about the situation in Baltimore, is how quickly the Colts went from great & SB winners & contenders... to utter trash! 1957 - 1971... Baltimore had the highest wp in the NFL & the greatest homefield advantage in the NFL! Baltimore held the record for consecutive sell outs, as well, which wasn't a thing ( consecutive sell outs ) back then in the NFL! Four NFL Championships... 1958, 1959, 1968 and 1970 in five appearances... Every 3 years on avg an NFL Title or Title Game appearance over 15 seasons!!! All Time Greats and Hall of Famers played and coached for Baltimore in that period. The Colts win SB in 70, then lose AFC Championship in 71, nearly another back to back championship run!! The Baltimore Colts Dynasty started before the GB Packers Dynasty with Lombardi... and went on after the GB Dynasty!!! Then... 1972, 73 & 74 extreme losers... with three good years... 75, 76, 77... then 6 more mostly miserable years & Irsay's bs off of the field to also alienate fans!! So, the club essentially went from a dynasty to trash in one off season!!! From the best run team in the NFL & maybe all of sports... to the worst run team in sports... essentially overnight!!! That's what people that didn't experience it, don't understand. It was like laying on a sunny clear beach one minute & then in the next being hit by a hurricane... it was that swift & devastating a decline! I have run the attendance for the Colts during Irsay's run in Baltimore & the attendance averaged 45, 000... which I think is more than he deserved given the shit Irsay put out on and off of the field!! And Baltimore has avgd 70, 000 for 28 years with the Ravens... In the end... in most, if not all relocation situations as you point out here... the politicians fail the people of their cities... Baltimore pols failed the loyal fans of Baltimore that deserved to get a new stadium for themselves and the Colts. The pols in Cleveland failed the people there by serving interests not the Browns for too long!! Having gone to Memorial Stadium many times in my life for the O's & Colts... I can say it was a dump in 1972... and when I walked into both stadiums at Camden Yards... I went Memorial Stadium can kiss my ass... it is great to have these stadiums... and 30 years later for one & 26 years for the other... they are both still fantastic stadiums and will be for many, many more years!!!

@TigerWoodsLibido

8 ай бұрын

They were pretty terrible from 1920-1952. Dayton Triangles-Dallas Texans era was not kind to them.

@timottes334

8 ай бұрын

I don't care, nor does any Baltimorean about Dayton's or Dallas' teams... I know it's the lineage of the franchise, but to me... the fans are the ones that a lineage is relevant to, not the franchise and its various and mostly sundry owners . And ... the Triangles history doesn't belong to Baltimore, Dallas or Indianoplace... it belongs to the people of Dayton, Ohio... the Dallas Texans history should be linked to the DALLAS Cowboys not the Indianoplace Colts...& the Baltimore Colts history belongs to the people of Baltimore not the people of Indianoplace & should be OFFICIALLY linked to the BALTIMORE Ravens. The Baltimore Colts history is, indeed, recognized by the Baltimore Ravens & the Baltimore Ravens include Baltimore Colts greats in their Ring Of Honor; and the Indianoplace Colts don't try to, but shallowly... link their team to the Baltimore Colts, because the Baltimore Colts players rejected the Irsay's as legitimate owners/caretakers of their accomplishments. Johnny U said : " Why would I go to Indianoplace, I didn't play there! " That sums it up...@@TigerWoodsLibido

Robert irsay has to be the worst owner in NFL history. I had no idea it was this bad. I had no idea this story went so deep to the point that Johnny Unitas disowned them that’s insane. And even how they changed with Payton manning

@aztec0112

8 ай бұрын

Cleveland would like to argue that point.

@epicchk4319

8 ай бұрын

Washington had to endure Dan Snyder

@lampini

8 ай бұрын

@@epicchk4319 I’m a commanders fan and I don’t think even Dan was worse than Robert irsay. Dan is a sniveling coward but Robert irsay was actually a publicly unpleasant person that the city literally tried to exile. That didn’t happen to even Dan

@treyblaze22

8 ай бұрын

The buccaneers would like to have a word with you regarding Hugh culverhouse

@Venom3254

8 ай бұрын

Now since Dan Snyder is out, we can all focus on Irsay now

Baltimore when they steal an NFL team from Cleveland: ☺ Baltimore when an NFL team gets stolen from them: 😠

@TigerWoodsLibido

8 ай бұрын

Baltimore wasn’t even their original city, they were in Dallas Texas this season before 1952, their roster just moved over to Baltimore for 1953. They started out as the Dayton Triangles in 1920.

@crosstatt7441

3 ай бұрын

@@TigerWoodsLibidoInteresting that you said “Dayton”. That’s an Ohio city! So, both teams came from Ohio!

Can not wait to see an second version of this video in a few years talking about the 2023 broncos haha

I didn't know the city was preparing to seize the team through Imminent Domain. That changes my feelings towards Irsay's decision to move.

@Thrillhouse90

7 ай бұрын

Mine too.

This is coming from a born and raised Baltimorean here. We HATE the Colts more than the Steelers. Primarily because of Irsay. I know enough history (even though I was born at the end of 1986) to know that people here will forevermore hate the Irsays for what they done to that team. That wasn't just a team to us. They were family to us. our brothers, our aunts, uncles, mothers, and fathers invited them to our houses for dinner and talked about more than football. That's why I'm happy that the Ravens came here when I was 10. I'll NEVER forget my little (now grown) nephews, and I watching us win a Super Bowl and experienced that incredible feeling back in 2012.

@putthefuinfun1947

8 ай бұрын

There are many die hard colts fans still around

@juliad6847

8 ай бұрын

As someone whose entire family has spent their entire lives in Bmore. People hate Irsay not the currently colts. We absolutely hate the Steelers more than the colts lmao

@putthefuinfun1947

8 ай бұрын

@@juliad6847 I don't think our Rivalry with the Steelers is as big anymore now that Ben retired. Alas, i still mark down "Steeler Week".

@putthefuinfun1947

8 ай бұрын

When we were in the Central the Jags, and Titans were bigger Rivals than the Steelers. Currently i would say every team in the North is an equal Rival till one can pull ahead of the Others.

@codyb.3015

7 ай бұрын

Ravens fans who hate the Irsay's more than the Steelers are just old people who don't even watch football anymore lol. And if I'm wrong about that, I guess I didn't realize how delusional Ravens fans were, but there's no way that's true. It's been over 40 years since Irsay left, and the Steelers have been your main competition for over 2 decades. At a certain point, when is it just old people holding on to a grudge and not even paying attention to current football?

Can you do a rise and fall of Chicago bears? Nothing has been good since Lovie Smith and he was fired after 10-6 season! Figured there'd be enough drama for a full video!

@SageSea1

8 ай бұрын

I mean they were a decent team from 2018-2020 and in 2018 were a few specks of luck away from being a 16-0 team

@lordrayden3045

8 ай бұрын

So you’re one of the people,that just remember what you want huh?

this is such an incredibly made, awesome video! thank you for bringing this great story to life in such a well done way!

As a colts fan I can say for a large portion of my life I’ve been blessed with a super bowl and good football but always it seems irrelevant to most people due to choking and the luck era and post luck era

@ColtsPacers1

2 ай бұрын

I look at it this way. I got to see my team win a Super Bowl, I can wait as long as I need to for it to happen again because there are plenty of NFL teams whose fans are still waiting for that glory.

@politicsislitm8369

2 ай бұрын

@@ColtsPacers1 facts brother

No one is willing to criticize Baltimores handling of the situation either. I would of screwed them too.

This video is as good as anything you might have seen on ESPN back in its heyday.

As a Browns fan this video gave me a new found acceptance of the city of Baltimore and the Ravens. When you guys were suffering, we were succeeding. And when you guy got our Browns, you succeeded where we would then fail over and over again. Truth is, maybe you guys aren't as bad as we thought. Maybe we have more in common than we realize. We are literally one of the same! We can hate Pittsburgh together 🧡 🤝 💜 Go Browns! The AFC North might be the most poetic division in all of sports! Edit: 🤷‍♂️ Then again, screw you Baltimore for taking away our team and pretending those titles were yours. We've suffered more than anyone and it's not even comparable.

@jenni8200

8 ай бұрын

Hell no.. They knew how much heart ache taking a football team away from a loyal city and did it anyway... Screw Baltimore and this is coming from a Browns fan that was born in Maryland

@JT_5544

8 ай бұрын

I always feel guilty that we stole your team tbh, especially considering the mayflower incident.

@blank964

8 ай бұрын

I'm supposed to feel bad for a city and fanbase who had something terrible happen to them and then turned around and did the same thing to my team? I'm supposed to feel bad for a city and fanbase who didn't have to go through the struggles of being an expansion team and has won two Super Bowls while my team has made the playoffs twice in about 25 years? Y'all better than me 😂

@bk7064

8 ай бұрын

@@jenni8200 You know what you're right. I'll edit my comment. No more nice guy.

@megamc3803

8 ай бұрын

Nah as a browns fan screw baltimore for stealing our team and pretending those titles are theirs. Also screw them for subjecting us to being an expansion team when we came back and getting shafted by the league.

You could do a whole video on Irsay. His son has been such a good owner we forget how bad his father was. Also Al Davis. From the AFL to the NFL. Constantly challenging the nfl in court and always winning. How he stole the raiders corporate take over style. Hiring Tom Flores making him the 1st minority nfl super winning head coach. Hiring Art She’ll who was successful in his own right. When the league didn’t hire black head coaches. Coaching and owning a championship team. Also hiring Shannahan, Kiffen, Bill Walsh, Gruden. His eye for young talented coaches. Also the sign in the locker room. If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying. He’s a revolutionary.

Yo KTO! Hope you’ve been doing well. I love your content especially your The NFL 10 years ago series. Keep up the amazing work and I hope you see this comment

My dad was a Colts fan back when he was like 12, and they were _so_ bad that when they almost beat Miami, but lost in heartbreaking fashion, he just said fuck it and stopped liking the Colts. He chose the Broncos out of spite because of John Elway. Unfortunately, he's too far in with the Broncos and being a Broncos fan nowadays is just a death sentence.

Dude. The 2023 Bears haven’t finished their season yet? ☠️

Great video as always, I appreciate the look back at NFL history that isn’t just 21st century

Respecting the improvement in video quality, definitely a step up from the rest. Keep shining man, - LowNotesYT

Also, I believe the endgame for the NFL was to get the franchise as close to Dayton as possible because that’s where it started out in 1920. Now they play just 117 miles to the west of their origin.

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

If you want to count asset transfers, then yeah, the Dayton Triangles is where the Colts trace their lineage to. But if you ask the NFL, they list that asset line (Triangles, Dodgers, Tigers, Yanks, Bulldogs, and Texans) as a defunct franchise. If you did consider asset transfers as part of the history of the franchises, then the original Browns became today’s Ravens.

@TigerWoodsLibido

8 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 With no new teams taking the previous moniker then the Colts descend from the same franchise. If SecretBase made a series about the Colts, they would trace it back to the Triangles.

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

@@TigerWoodsLibidoThey’d probably acknowledge that. I doubt that Jon Bois would do the entire history of the Colts though because they’ve won a number of titles over the years unlike the Vikings, Falcons, Seattle Mariners, or Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets (if you want to call that one s full history).

@UserName-ts3sp

19 күн бұрын

i think the allure of a brand new stadium and threats of eminent domain were significantly more relevant than their asset transfer history.

Loved the format of this video. Enjoying the documentary style videos.

Surprised it’s not The Browns

@Supbros1902

8 ай бұрын

Or the cowboys

@wcoffin-s6770

8 ай бұрын

​​@@Supbros1902nah cowboys had a dominant runs in the 70s and 90s it couldn't be them

@SlickNick98

8 ай бұрын

​@@Supbros1902or the lions

@yakamarezlife

8 ай бұрын

​@@wcoffin-s6770yeah but the 80s eh

wait, Balitimore wanted to seize the team? That totally changes things. Imminent Domain is for land, not businesses or concepts. If I own a business an the storefront has to be torn down for a new highway, yeah they can do that. But I get to open the same business in a new location, the government claiming that land doesn't get any other part of it

KTO, I'm only 8 minutes in but I can see how much work you've put into this. It's incredible to see how far you've come along. Thank you for the video and I look forward to seeing future videos.

Remember, the ravens were NOT an expansion team

@TigerWoodsLibido

8 ай бұрын

Neither were the Colts, the 1952 Dallas Texans, who were a continuation of the Dayton Triangles franchise, just moved their roster over to Baltimore, including all the team colors and assets, when Caroll Rosenbloom bought the team.

@lordrayden3045

8 ай бұрын

They kind of were

@redpillfreedom6692

7 ай бұрын

Officially and legally, they are.

@michaelleroy9281

7 ай бұрын

Yes they are, established in 1996

Missing out on the 1st overall pick even after that season is another level of suck - like when the Eagles missed out on OJ Simpson by winning two games at the end of a season (1960-something, I forget which year)

@SuperAV21

8 ай бұрын

1968

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

True, but unlike 1969 though where the top draft pick became OJ Simpson and thus a Hall of Fame player was taken first, the player the Patriots picked and the Colts missed out on in 1982 was Kenneth Sims who didn’t become anything of note. He was a defensive end who had 17 sacks in his career over 74 games, and I think it says something that in the 1985 playoffs (which was after his fourth season), Sims wasn’t starting any games for them. Though given that some of his seasons don’t appear to be fully played, it seems likely that he got hurt to be fair. There were better players that both the Colts and Patriots could’ve taken. Namely Hall of Famers Mike Munchak and Marcus Allen, and the player taken between Baltimore’s second and fourth overall selections was a four time pro bowler for the Browns in Chip Banks.

@UserName-ts3sp

19 күн бұрын

didn’t they pelt snowballs at santa that year too?

I didn’t know the Ravens had that sort or origin. It makes so much sense to me now why their fanbase is so passionate.

The ravens also used to have three mascots instead of just one. They were three ravens, Edgar, Allen, and Poe. Only Poe is used today but Edgar and Allen make special appearances sometimes

Baltimore Ravens still refuse to call Indianapolis the Colts when they visit

History repeating itself with Jim Irsay

@thetf8142

8 ай бұрын

I’m assuming you’re a new nfl fan?

@aaronsanders4122

8 ай бұрын

It’s been repeating itself for a while now all the Irsays are crazy

@johnchedsey1306

8 ай бұрын

Jim Irsay is crazy but the team has had far more success under his ownership than his dad's. I thought Irsay was nuts for hiring Jeff Saturday as interim coach last year, but clearly it was a brilliant tank job, landing them Anthony Richardson. That said, he's still got substance abuse issues and seems like being a trust fund kid didn't help him.

@US_Highway14

8 ай бұрын

@@johnchedsey1306 Dude you're so wrong about him having substance abuse issues in present time. Jim Irsay is not a crazy owner. If he was, then the city of Indianapolis, as well as the Colts fanbase wouldn't love him as much as we do.

@johnchedsey1306

8 ай бұрын

@@US_Highway14 hey! thanks for the correction on the matter. Human memories are stupid, so mine told me it was way more recent he got that DUI. Just read he's been sober from alcohol for almost a decade and if so, good for him! He's now officially just eccentric.

Watching this as a colts fan makes me happy I wasn’t born til Peyton had the helm lmao

@adamdorgant9454

7 ай бұрын

Is that Right?

I like how you made the start of this video like the beginning of an 80s sitcom. Those introductions are cool!

love the vid, felt like the old meet the series, I love the story vids please keep making more

Your video editing has gotten so much better over the years bro. Great content.

Poetic justice for the fans and city of Baltimore. Ravens are one of the NFL's most successful franchises. I remember that night in 1984 like it was yesterday.

I remember signing a horrible breath of relief as my Patriots list to the colts in 81 to get and BLOW the #1 pick.. After playing with the raiders and Steelers from 78-80 and being nearly on par, their fall in 81 following the worst last week in NFL history to miss the playoffs in 80 was a shock

this is a really sick format for videos, would love to see more teams broken down like this through the years based on their history

Directed by KTO and the fan leaves 😂

Great video dude!

Amazing video KTO! Loved the format and video editing. Saludos from Cancun!

Another great video! Loving the longer form content!

My dad's a Colts fan, and he said he has no emotional attachment to their Baltimore era. To him at least, the Colts didn't exist until they came to Indy.

@juliad6847

8 ай бұрын

My whole family is ravens fans. The colts ceased to exist in Baltimore the second the team stepped into the moving vans. It was the ultimate betrayal.

@jer2dabear

8 ай бұрын

Same, I've only known the Indianapolis Colts. I know the history, of course, but there is no passion behind it. I can understand the hate though haha.

@Austin.Kilgore

8 ай бұрын

Same here. As far as I’m concerned, Colts have only 1 SB win

@MuddieRain

8 ай бұрын

Same. Go Colts!

@Austin.Kilgore

8 ай бұрын

@@juliad6847 How? It’s ridiculous to act like Robert Irsay was wrong for what he did… there seems to be PLENTY of other legitimate things to vilify him over by the sound of things, moving the team to Indy is NOT one of them. How else would you expect him (or anyone) to act when they’re about to have their team STOLEN from them by the city of Baltimore?

While not like inspired and in awe from this video this is definitely your best technically executed video

This is an excellent documentary. Thank you. I remember when this happened. It was big news and Baltimore was left teamless. Ironically they would steal the Browns from Cleveland years later, leaving Cleveland teamless until getting an expansion team from the league. An interesting series of occurrences.

From 2:00... This is simply awesome... First I thought it was one of this famous old NFL films productions, until it dawned on me with this "Denver Clan" kind of intro music, starring Bert Jones & co ;-)... Great work. For this into, upvoted already before I watch the rest from around 2:30 on.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers worst season: 1976, 0-14 . It wasn't until their third game that the Bucs even scored a point. They had a staggering minus 287 point differential, the worst ever. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also had the longest losing streak since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger, losing the first 26 games in franchise history between 1976 and 1977. A record that will probably never be equaled. It got slightly better from there, but not by much. They were an expansion team, but holy crap! By comparison, the Colts had it going on.

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

If we are talking about trash NFL teams, one that deserves mention is the 1991 Colts. They were outscored by Washington’s kicker, went 1-15 with an absolutely pathetic statline, and unlike most teams that are historically bad statistically, they played an average schedule of opponents. One stat I calculate finds that team to be the very worst in the last eight decades.

Wow, I love the new style and incredible video quality! Hope you enjoyed making the vid as much as I enjoyed watching it. Thank you for the great watch and have a fantastic day!

Havent check in for a while and I am stocked at how good the production is. Fantastic job and keep up the good work.

Bert Jones. Born in Ruston, LA, played for the LSU Tigers and was the 2nd pick of the 1973 draft.

Been watching your videos since the Petrino video, and it’s amazing how far your video quality and story telling skills have evolved since then. You’re doing amazing work, dude, keep it up!!!

When I was first becoming aware of NFL football as a kid, I remember teams like the Colts were the laughingstock of the league. And this video covers that era. In those days, certain teams just had the stink of being losers all over them: Tampa, New England, Baltimore, New Orleans, Atlanta, St. Louis. I also remember my dad, who was a huge college football fan, absolutely despised Frank Kush for being an inhumane drill sergeant at Arizona State and my dad took great pleasure in the Colts being awful under Kush.

Love this new style of mini-doc videos!

One of your best videos yet. Good stuff!

Thank you for your effort and time put into these educational videos!! you the man KTO!

I watched KTO for six years and his growth as a KZread content creator. This is his masterpiece.

Loved the Bob Newhart into. My old man loves that show, so I love it too haha

I used to go to O's games at memorial stadium when I was kid and they would let you bring in coolers.

@KTO as a Browns fan, do you think our defense has a chance to rival that 2000 Ravens team? 👀

I agree it sucks for the Colts to move in the dark, but I'm going to play devil's advocate for a bit: Irsay was a jerk, I get that. But when you're life's work is being threatened to be taken from you from the city you've made yourself in, what other option do you have but to get your stuff and get out of there? Funnily enough, as an Oilers fan, our city did the exact opposite to Bud Adams, pretty much forcing him to leave town to go elsewhere. Point is, cities don't get how important sports are to a town sometimes and it costs them. Ether they get too aggressive and demand the owners do things their way, or make the owner do too much to the point it isn't stable enough for them to have a team in town. Everyone's bitter in the end and no one wins. Except the other city that gets your team afterwards.

@TigerWoodsLibido

8 ай бұрын

The franchise had already moved and changed ownership a bunch ever since it started out in Dayton, Ohio in 1920.

This was so well told and so well edited. You are legend!

I was born and raised in Baltimore. I listened to this while driving through the city tonight.

Dawg, your editing has been ON POINT recently - been loving all of the content!

Ok, the 70s tv theme song and credit sequence was next level 👍 wtg, kto Feels very Barney Miller... and nothing is funkier than the theme to barney miller 😂

@fortynights1513

7 ай бұрын

I wish I could find the track used.

I'm happy for Baltimore that they got a team back, sucks that it cost Cleveland a team in the process, but at least it wasn't long til Cleveland got one back.

Grew up in the 70’s between DC and Baltimore, so was a fan of both. Most fans forget how terrible the Colts were in the late 70’s/early 80’s (along with New England!). Thanks for producing this - very well done!

Baltimore only has themselves to blame. They were going to take the team away from Irsay via eminent domain why wouldn’t he move? They trashed the colts in the voting booth and were shocked when the colts didn’t just take it. Both Indy and Bmore are better off now at least

@JoshuaKimbrough

8 ай бұрын

Every team Batimore has/had is stolen

@acharleyhorse1

8 ай бұрын

He was going to move the team anyway. He was traveling to Pheonix, Indianapolis, and a few other cities on a regular basis, shopping the team.

DYK : The Colts have fewer Super Bowl MVPs than they do Super Bowl wins? Super Bowl V was such a sloppy and horrible game that they gave MVP to Chuck Howley, despite the fact that he came off the losing Cowboys Squad.

@michaelwoolsey3886

8 ай бұрын

They had thought that the Pokes were going to win so they had decided on Howley, and then Mike Curtis made the pick that changed everything.

@fortynights1513

7 ай бұрын

Do you think that could ever happen again?

@michaelleroy9281

19 күн бұрын

​@@fortynights1513No but that was the the NFL in the early 70s that's like comparing apples to oranges

Hiring Frank Cush was one of the worst things that Robert Irsay could have done. The 1982-83 Baltimore went 0-8-1 during the strike shortened season. And throw in Art Schleister in the 1982 NFL draft....and then the Colts move away to Indianapolis in 1984.

Bert Jones was one of the Very Best QBs of the 70s. He had so much talent and grit. Prototype for what was a NFL QB.

Despite all of their dysfunctional nonsense, that 1981 Colts team still managed to beat my Patriots twice lmao. I'm so proud EDIT: Also, it's kind of ironic that Baltimore had the Colts ripped away from them and then embraced the Browns, who had dumped Cleveland in much the same fashion

@imrustyokay

8 ай бұрын

At least they let Cleveland keep the Browns name.

@KyleShiflet13666

8 ай бұрын

​@imrustyokay unlike Tennessee

@coreylevine8095

8 ай бұрын

​@@KyleShiflet13666Bud Adams told his Childern to never give the Oilers name and colors back to Houston because of his feuds the the Mayor of that city

@KyleShiflet13666

8 ай бұрын

@@coreylevine8095 I know

@UserName-ts3sp

19 күн бұрын

id say modell is more of a fool than irsay. irsay was horrible but didnt have a choice. modell was offered a new stadium, but declined. he didn’t realize how much the indians were propping up revenue.

Then history would eventually repeat itself with Stan Kronke’s Rams

@Kylora2112

8 ай бұрын

To be fair, the Rams have never been a popular team...they weren't a big draw in Cleveland (yet the Browns have had a diehard fanbase through thick and thin), they weren't a big draw their first time in LA (even when they were winning championships), their fans in St. Louis didn't stick around after the Greatest Show On Turf fell off, and they're not popular in LA the second time around (SoFi Stadium was a sea of red jerseys when they hosted the 49ers last week), and they just won a Super Bowl (the Raiders have been the most popular team in LA even *before* the Raiders moved there in the 80s, and still are after they moved back to Oakland and then to Las Vegas). The Colts had a DIEHARD fanbase in Baltimore that jumped head first into Ravens fandom as soon as they could. The Rams and Cardinals have been perpetually okay in cities that just don't give a shit about football (and they both played in St. Louis).

@Wully2K

8 ай бұрын

@@Kylora2112 In all fairness, St. Louis sold out every home game from 1995-2006. That support only died once the team started the worst 5-year stretch in NFL history in 2007 and the organization became a complete mess around the same time with the coaching carosel and owner dying. By the time the team was consistently finishing 7-9, the relocation rumors started circulating and it became clear Kroenke wanted out. Hard to get people invested in a team that clearly wanted nothing to do with the local community. St. Louis shows out for all of its other sports teams, including the XFL Battlehawks because those organizations are invested in the region and put an effort into drumming up local support. The Rams put zero effort once Kroenke took over and did nothing to assure fans that they wanted to be in St. Louis (because they obviously didn't). St. Louis has a great local sports culture and it's silly to blame the Rams leaving on fans. It was soley to make more money in LA.

KTO is the man. I haven’t been over here in a spell. My all time favorite sports channel. If they had given Ursay his stadium none of this would have happened.

25:08 I remember watching that SportsCenter. As a kid in Maryland the arrival of the Browns/Ravens was wild.