You forgot untapped islands

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

How do you know? You haven't watched yet!

@Yargle1

Жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds skipped through it as always🤭

@Demon-command

Жыл бұрын

Stop the skuppers🤓

@Wiseguy150

Жыл бұрын

I agree I usually just scoop to someone playing an island.

@justagoose7741

Жыл бұрын

Are they actually hated?

You guys should do: cards good in standard but horrible in commander. I always think its interesting how that works.

@AngelusNielson

Жыл бұрын

vice versa is always fun, too.

@ElSkizzle

Жыл бұрын

Great idea. I think it would be more interesting to compare edh cards with vintage cards since the card pools are more similar.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

Invoked despair should be on there for sure 🤣

@lovetownsend

Жыл бұрын

@@mibbzx1493 Mmm! What's more? I only know standard alittle...

I don't have a problem with ruinous ultimatum. One sided wipes are where we should be. They help you close the game, not just reset everything. Ive been cutting board wipes that are not one-sided.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Completely fair take but it is feel bad at times

@TubaDooter

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is honestly a play-style issue. If you one-sided wipe and don’t win, that’s a feels bad and wasted time. If you Cyclonic Rift then win… what’s everyone complaining for?

@ValatY

Жыл бұрын

​@@TubaDooter i mean, I don't say it's not viable But for me personaly ist just feels anticlimactic Like there's barely ever any synergy or something that makes me go "oh, yeah, this way to close the game really felt like it's something tailored for that specific deck" It's just genericaly good and not really something I'll remember 2-2 months down the line It'll just be "ah yeah, one of the games where someone used cyclonic rift & ended... who was it who won? Eh, I forgot, whatever" Again, if you wanna use it, by all means, go for it Personaly though, it feels pretty generic & boring

@EntheogenShaman

Жыл бұрын

​@@TubaDooter best take.

@SourWeezle

Жыл бұрын

Ruinous Ultimatum is so expensive to cast. It definitely feels bad, but as long as the game ends shortly afterward (as it should) I'm okay with it.

I've never heard that people hate Sol Ring before. I mean, me and my mates, we all love Sol Ring, and whenever a Sol Ring goes into play we go "Yep, there it is" or give slight smiles. Sometimes when somebody has a really good start and lands 5 or 6 mana on the table in turn one, well, that guy will quickly find himself focused by the rest of us when we get a bit more out. Sol Ring is just an awesome little card. I don't think I ever build a deck without Sol Ring anymore, true, but there will always be those cards that just fit in every deck. Point is, Sol Ring is a welcome and familiar card to all of us, and none of us mind it being played that much or dislike it, we actually think of it fondly.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

Yea but your not looking at the advantage it provides you. If you have 6 mana in one turn with a mana crypt or something. your essentially 4 turns ahead of everybody else while everyone else only gets to play their 2nd land drop that turn. It gives a Major speed boost that can end up being a game changer with a card like toxrill or something in the command zone

@zachariahpoltergeist4516

Жыл бұрын

​@@mibbzx1493 which is why you put it in every deck.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

@@zachariahpoltergeist4516 nah i started taking it out of decks, since it only makes you a target, and its usually thats a spot i can use for something if its not on theme. If its in talks of getting banned then i dont need to be running it anyways because ppl will get too attached to it

@LoneSkag

Жыл бұрын

I’d imagine it’s more likely to get banned bc it’s in every deck. Basically Magic’s version of pot of greed

@torbk

Жыл бұрын

I very much doubt Sol Ring gets banned considering how many times its been reprinted and keeps getting reprinted. Cards don't get banned simply because they're popular in Magic, but because they break the game in some way. Sol Ring doesn't break the game, it speeds it up.

Hullbreaker Horror has proven to be a really annoying card the last few times I have seen it

@AngelusNielson

Жыл бұрын

The last few times I've seen it they've tapped out to cast it and I had removal.

@kevinthecarpathian

Жыл бұрын

@@AngelusNielson That is their fault for playing it at a bad time. You at least want to have a counter spell or even just an instant to use it's ability to rescue it. Every time I've seen it it is in mono blue or izzet spellslinger and the owner has 10+ cards in hand and mana open when they cast it and it becomes "ok everyone else at the table, if they is able to untap then we probably won't be able to cast significant spells for a while." And if they are heavy counterspell flavor then good luck playing anything if they untap.

@AngelusNielson

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinthecarpathian Yep, it was badly played and I was able to counter. You're right.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

There not supposed to tap out, if they wait a turn and cast a 1 mana spell, hullbreaker horror can bounce itself back to their hand on the stack

@AngelusNielson

Жыл бұрын

@@mibbzx1493 Yah, lots of bad players on Arena. IT's annoying because I honestly wish I could tell them how to play better. But that's one of the many reasons Arena sucks. (I should know, I literally got in on the first round of betas.)

The more tutors people play, the more each game looks the same. Opposition agent punished people that make your games less interesting!

Our playgroup actually appreciates cards like howling mine or dictate of kruphix as it helps everyone play more magic. Typically the reason why it helps so much for everyone to play more magic is due to people not always having finetuned their deck for drawspells or removal.

@naterambles8525

Жыл бұрын

Unless, of course, those cards a played in the 99 of a Nekusar deck.

As a cedh player, I can't comprehend, why people hate these cards x)

@behemoth9543

Жыл бұрын

Really? The whole point of cEDH is speeding up games and allowing you to play more games every time you meet up by upping the power level as far as it can go. Stax is okay merely because its sometimes needed to allow yourself enough time for your other win conditions because its just that fast even if they may turn a cEDH gametime into a casual gametime. But land destruction and other cards that eat up an inordinate amount of time can easily turn a casual game of maybe one or two hours into a 4 hour or more slog that everyone eventually begins to grow weary of until everyone stares at their phones for most of the game or the game has to simply be abandoned. Its the opposite of cEDH and should thus be easier to understand from your perspektive.

@Cruelreaver92

Жыл бұрын

@@behemoth9543 I usually play control piles in cedh, that don't win as fast but focus on stopping your opponents first, then go off 2-3 turns later with your own combo. Games can be over so fast, that they're no fun, so I love it, if I can extend the game time by playing these 'hated' cards! But I can agree, that mass land destruction is stupid, if it affects you, too!

I love playing telepathy in my Ertai, The Corrupterd ( thats what my playgroup calls him) deck because I get to actually stand up and stretch my legs/get snacks when I'm making my rounds looking at peoples hands 😏

As a person who rarely has time to delve into long videos, I find I make exceptions to this norm most often with your content. Adding time stamps to your videos would elevate your channel so much for folks with simlar time constraints. Time stamps would easily put you in my top 3 MTG content creators.

@justagoose7741

Жыл бұрын

What's your top 3?

@EntheogenShaman

Жыл бұрын

I usually watch their videos in segments when I don't have time for the whole thing

I’ve really been questioning Sol Ring in my decks, because whenever I test a deck and have Sol Ring in the opening hand or within the first 2 draws I can’t tell if my deck is doing well or if it’s just Sol Ring. Heavily considering not playing it anymore to see if that feels better to play, and this is coming from a former “why would you ever want to ban Sol Ring?” guy.

@jajahatman8842

Жыл бұрын

From experience, I’d personally recommend cutting Sol Ring

@vincent-antoinesoucy1872

Жыл бұрын

@@jajahatman8842 The thing is you kinda have to convince everyone to do it, which is not that easy, even less so let's say at a game store where you play strangers, if you are the only one doing it, you are shooting yourself in the foot hard.

@Shimatzu95

Жыл бұрын

@@vincent-antoinesoucy1872 someone needs to set an example, i personaly am the kind of person who stands to his belives so i dont play many of these cards

@natekite7532

Жыл бұрын

Our group starting cutting it and games are so much more consistent and balanced now. It's wild how much sol ring messes with the games that it's in. Personally I really started getting sick of fast mana after playing games on Cockatrice; since cards don't cost money, everyone runs sol ring, mana crypt, and mana vault, even in "casual" decks. I was playing 3-5 games in a row where people were dropping fast mana on turn 1 or 2, and every time it devolved into just hoping the table could draw enough removal to answer the archenemy. Then someone else plays a smothering tithe and you can't answer it because you spent the past three turns answering the sol ring player. Going back to my playgroup always felt like a breath of fresh air. So much better to play with balanced progression, roughly symmetrical board states, and no more insta-loss games due to being the only one that doesn't draw fast mana. The sol ring format can be fun, it leads to s lot of chaos, but tbh I don't think it should be the default.

Making a new deck with all these cards. Thanks for the idea!

Am I weird for not being threatened by sol rings at all? Anyone who drops one turn 1 always just gets jumped

In my group we all play sol ring and no one seems to mind, however last night it affected two of the four games we played. Game one: turn one forest + sol ring, turn two mountain + kodamas reach, turn 3 temple of the false god + cultivate + arcane signet…. 9 mana turn 3 and I had a dual land, plains and swamp…. That player won that game. Game two (this was me so I’m ok with it) Turn one swamp + sol ring + arcane signet Turn two swamp + Sheoldred!!! Turn one swamp

@JcNanito

Жыл бұрын

How about turn two Post, Son of Rich. Two Swamps, use one to cast dark ritual, tap remaining swamp, pay 6 life, and use the 3 swamps floating to cast him. A 7 drop on turn two is crazy 😂

I have one out of time which is an enchantment that basically says phase out all creatures toll this leaves. The field i got so tsrgeted whenever i played it in my shrine enchantments deck i took it out despite it being essentialy a 3 mana boardwhipe with upsides

I see Teferi's Protection used as a play-along with board wipes at my LGS. I see it a lot. And that's why I play blue.

At least sol ring allows non green decks to deal with ramp, no sol ring meta gotta be green heavy.

@danielsniff6405

Жыл бұрын

Green decks can also play sol ring tho

@brosam_

Жыл бұрын

@@danielsniff6405 well yeah, any deck can, it's that green are already better off since green has incredible amounts of land ramp so sol ring allows nongreen decks to kinds catch up to the green player

@simonteesdale9752

Жыл бұрын

Most green land ramp spells are actually worse than artifacts due to the lands ETB tapped. The real fast mana in green comes from a couple of land auras and Mana dorks, which are even more fragile than rocks.

@LouisKing995

Жыл бұрын

@@simonteesdale9752Some of them may etb tapped but they are far less vulnerable to destruction. You are deluded if you think green ramp isn’t better (outside of CEDH)

Regarding SOL ring I’ve removed it from most of my decks. However, I’ve put it back in my big mana tribal decks in particular angels and dragons. I’m still laying relatively fair tribal (no combos, protective interaction>removal to encourage other decks to be doing their thing). I actually left it out, but I’ve put it back into them because it helps me get back into the game after a big wipe - I guess this shows how powerful it is. Is this a bad reason to put it back in??

I'm one of the people that think that counterspells are the most annoying form of removal, primarily because they're the only form that other colours cannot interact with. The only way to stop a counterspell is if you're blue and also have a counter. With removal like doomblade, its controller can protect the creature, sacrifice it, change the target etc. Every colour and even colourless can interact with targeted or destruction-based removal in some way, but not counterspells.

@derrickpaulson3093

Жыл бұрын

Other colors can interact, it giving a deck slot to something like Defense Grid or Vexing Shusher when they are so niche feels bad and are dead when your not playing against blue.

@egoish6762

Жыл бұрын

You don't interact with counters, you play around them. Bait them out, sandbag your wincons, let other people play into them.

@andykapsar4667

Жыл бұрын

​@@egoish6762 exactly. i hate creature removal, but i dont see thst ever going away.

I feel like for some cards in a mid level play group, I feel like you have to assert your style. I play almost all creatures/combat but I wouldn't complain or say "no combos" because I love winning against combo decks. Theres a point where if you make something it has to be because you think its good so you gotta prove it

Our LGS meta is very combo heavy. Many of these cards are necessary to keep them in check. Don’t hate on the Stax player.

Also if you play artifact lands farewell exiles your lands. Its so brutal against my urza lord protector deck. For thassa's oracle I have seen it a decent bit. Its very common in the mono blue or simic no win condition commanders like uro or baral. For decks that struggle to close a game its such a lame way to just instant win. The decks that also play it in casual usually have counterspell backup too.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

That really is a huge feel bad!

I don't know about soul ring being the most hated. If anything mana crypt holds that title well over it. Especially since it cost $200. We need it reprinted at rare.

@arob_3k

Жыл бұрын

@@malakimphoros2164 makes sense also sol ring does come in every precon. It is a general commander staple.

@amadoromero4823

Жыл бұрын

Ban it all, death to fast mana

@N4chtigall

Жыл бұрын

I don't think reprints are a good idea to be honest. Because of such cards like Sol Ring or Mana Crypt the 99 cards in commander deck basically turns into 97 becuase there is no good reason to not play them. Normalizing "mandatory cards" as someone said before Is harmful for the game.

@MrAskmannen

Жыл бұрын

Why not reprint it at common, or put it in every precon?

@arob_3k

Жыл бұрын

@Ayy Lien I don't know about all that but commander is the reason why it's so expensive 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I actually love nonbasic land hate as a concept. Playing more basics means your mana base is weaker and you miss out on a ton of utility lands. Nonbasic hate rewards you for the restriction and turns the tables on your opponents proportional to how hard they leaned into better lands.

@johnt2911

8 ай бұрын

Facts, also it’s a blow from the budget decks against non budget haha

Does anyone know who the character is in both Force of Will and Rhystic Study?

Y'all are doing the lord's work with this video. I agree with so many of these call outs. AND those were the most galaxy-brained Moxfield spots so far. I got shoryuuken'd by those Moxfield surprises. Brought your A-game today.

Today ill be telling you about the most hated channels on KZread and why the Nerds are not on the list. ❤

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

AWWWW

@nzephier

Жыл бұрын

They had me in the first half, not gonna lie

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

@@nzephier they scared me too

Farewell also does not hit battles. Not just planeswalkers. Don't disrespect the battles by leaving them out like that 😂

I love when everyone plays everything they want. I've enjoyed commander at every step of the way , from budget, and ever so closely inching towards cedh. I love tutoring, I love combos. I enjoy working around stax pieces, or trying to get back from a counter spell/wipe. I play highly tuned decks at this point to where there is an actual possibility of coming back. Maybe that's why I can enjoy all the chaos. PlYing at a lower level and your deck starts running after turn 6, then a wipe comes is very frustrating.

Top decked Teferi’s Protection after being “goaded” to swing out at my other opponent, leaving me shields down.

I feel like some cards fall into “feel bad” when they’re really just fair lol. Prime example is opposition agent, why is it ok when people tutor and craterhoof on turn 6 but not ok to stop the play??

I don’t get this incessant hatred for Sol Ring. It’s really cheap and literally available to everybody to play. Yes it’s powerful but it’s not like a mana crypt where are you? Have to spend $200 to buy one

@Shimatzu95

Жыл бұрын

That in itself is kund of the problem. It being so cheap makes it so people play it without thinking about it and considering they print it in pretty much every comander deck makes in super unlikely for this tochange or it ever getting banned.

@markdziamski4859

Жыл бұрын

@@Shimatzu95 Yeah but it’s like you’re playing Mana Crypt or Jeweled Lotus where your opponents mostly like don’t have one due to cost. If all for players have Sol Ring no one player has great advantage over the others.

@Shimatzu95

Жыл бұрын

@@markdziamski4859 it's not about the price but the power level. These 3 cards are about as strong as each other.

@markdziamski4859

Жыл бұрын

@@Shimatzu95 but if it’s about power level and all 4 are playing the same power level card no one should be salty.

@Shimatzu95

Жыл бұрын

@@markdziamski4859 to go into further detail, I dont think any of those cards should be in a casual game as they, by themselves shift the power level of a deck.

Hot take: Counterspells, even the free ones, make games way more fun, especially if more than one player is using them. I understand that a lot of players have it in their head that the magic is the most fun when they can execute their pet strategy without any meaningful interruption but I think that with an open mind one can easily see why interactive magic is significantly more fun for a far less vocal group of players who may in reality, be the majority (I don't know, but it is a possibility). This is especially true for those players who came to EDH from other formats after the pandemic killed their local fnm scene. Me personally, I came from playing weekly reg REL modern nights at my LGS and I enjoy a lot of fair interaction in my magic. It is wholly foreign to me to just sit there and let my opponents advance their boardstate unchecked. Frowning upon that seems kind of repugnant to the idea of the game from the perspective of a former modern player. Interacting is half the game. Its where all the thinking and tight playing comes in. It makes the game more of a puzzle. Each player has to look not only at how to advance their own game but how to prevent the others from getting too far ahead. That means less tapping out, more careful plays each turn and best of all less oops I win moments for the combo players in your groups. Don't get triggered by getting got by a force of will or a pact of negation. Plan ahead. Think tactically. Use your brain. Learn to love the counter war. I for one, find games where we have a complex interaction battle is way more memorable then those where I resolve a battlecruiser and I think you will too. I recommend talking to your playgroups about upping the interaction count in your games and try it out. You might very well find that you share my feelings on this matter.

About teferi's protection, I feel it's fair but it often sees play in a situation where it feels bad. It's kinda expensive and stapely, so people who play it tends to play it in very strong decks, and when people play strong decks, other people pile on thems. One player being the archenemy and teferi protection out of 3 players actions feels really bad. This tends to be how t protection is seing play the most, that's where its reputation come from. Nobody would complain about kithkin tribal saving itself from tutored craterhoof with t protection.

9:20 What do you mean "It is just gone"? Red has a massive amount of Anarchist type of effects and a lot of flashback enablers. It is damn easy to recast from grave if you want it in red.

@jmanwild87

Жыл бұрын

Well ruinous ultimatum specifically requires mardu colors and is both expensive mana wise and color intensive. Making it difficult to use it multiple times

In a SLIGHT defense of ThOracle: I hate seeing it in a deck that is design to win off it because the typical deck seems to be a deck that wants to just win with ThOracle or one other win con and has enough interaction to almost ensure it comes out. My ThOracle is just a good top card manipulation tool in my Thassa, Deep Dwelling Merfolk Tribal Blink deck :

I play possibility storm in my cedh narset deck and I LOVE it for that reason because she gets around the storms ability to cast and resolve things. And the whole deck is built around those two cards. 🤣🤣

for me i like to think of Drannith Magistrate as a removal check. Many people will use their commander as what gets them to a win, i've had many games where people would've won much sooner without the magistrate. for me as a players games that are *too fast* aren't fun, there need to be controlling elements to have a back and forth engagement at the table. turbo goldfishing sucks. i want there to be interactions, engagements on the stack between players, having to grind out board states and resources. to me, magistrate is the best example of that. where your deck can't be all about *your precious commander*. consider the rest of the table, get involved with other people's boards. or im just gonna win.

Opposition agent is so increadibly fair imo. If you're mad about people stopping you tutoring, you have no leg to stand on to me. Tutor hate is fair and needed, we're playing singelton for a reason

I play Apocalypse whenever I play mono red. I use it as an eject button if I'm about to lose and think it is a fair card to play in that way. Now playing in conjunction with other cards is faux pas.

I don't especially have problem with extra turn cards, I have problem with people taking too long to resolve turns. I won't be mad if someone take 3-4 extra turns if it take as long for a turn as someone else spinning it's wheels. I just like to be told in pre game talk but that's it. I often play one or 2 extra turn in simic decks, mostly to play one dumb dude late game and have a chance to attack with it, using it as pseudo blue haste, I feel that's a legitimate strategy.

the Austin Post that is the only person in the "buy Joe Cherries a CEDH Deck" tier is totally Post Malone! Gotcha, Posty!!!

I last had a game where someone stole everything on my bord and everything but 3 lands turn 5 with dockside, agent flicker stuff. I now hate flicker even more 😅

Beezy, you like foils so this question is for you if you see it. I have about $800 worth of store credit would you get three $100 foils to finish out a deck and a dual land or would you spring for either a masterpiece soul ring or the foil Mox diamond?

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

If it finishes the deck then I would get the foils!

@ryancahill728

Жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds would it change you opinion if I added the fact that I have “a foil” of each the cards but it’s not the original print and the rest are and that’s what I mean by finish the deck…?

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

@@ryancahill728 That is a tough call! I mean Dual Land is always the safe call!

@ryancahill728

Жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds yea… I’ve been making that call consistently. I was leaning toward the 3 foils and a dual. The Mox diamond is a little over priced at 850 atm and so is the sol ring at about 100 where I have credit. But the others are more or less priced to move and Ill have my 8th/10 dual land. If you have any desire to answer one more off topic question. Lol, thank you btw. In your opinion, spark double… better than Sakashima of a a Thousand Faces in a non-human deck?

I think this can be summed up as "people hate power". When you're in a competitive environment, people don't like something that feels like it makes them lose. Its not like anyone ever complains about cards that are weaker than the ones they normally run, and I doubt you'd see many CEDH players that don't like these cards. (except maybe the ones that take 5 minutes to resolve.)

@simonteesdale9752

Жыл бұрын

Funnily enough, cEDH players do sometimes complain about things being too low power (Although it's usually in the context of someone bringing an underpowered deck).

@Ramschat

Жыл бұрын

Only some types of power. Nobody hates on Sylvan library despite its power for example. Is about cards that prevent others from having fun. Stax, boardwipes, easy win conditions, etc.

I think the bottom line is: everyone builds a commander deck to do a cool thing - and we don't like it when people play things that stop us from doing our cool thing. One of the most fun games of commander I played was one where there was only enough interaction to stop people from the killing blow and everyone was just doing their own cool thing before being stopped right before the win.

@simonteesdale9752

Жыл бұрын

*Most people. Personally, I find the games where I'm locked out of plan A to be really interesting and some of the most memorable.

@simonteesdale9752

Жыл бұрын

@@ginov.7039 Oh, absolutely. I think my most memorable game of commander was a 4 hour stax mirror, where we were on something like plans F and K respectively. We were both sitting there laughing at the sheer amount of nothing we were doing, and rewinding actions when we forgot about our own stax pieces several turns later, while I ended up dealing 40 with the needle spires I threw in my Manabase.

I’ve found my group gets really annoyed by ixidron. But I love it so much, people still have blockers

Drannith magistrate us op. Stops breach some graveyard strats, cascade, flashback and commanders. What do you want more?

I really want wizards to print a "steal / play other people's cards" commander in Esper, because I love the playstyle but am forced to play Sen Triplets. I don't even think Sen Triplets is particularly good, but people hate it so much i basically just have no commander. I think a good "fix" to the card would be to make it 1 or 2 mana cheaper, but make it so that whenever you play a card from someone's hand, they draw another card to replace it.

ya'll talking about creature extra turn ETBs and now im freaking out that Teferi didn't get a new Creature card affter losing his spark.

I cast Razia's Purification a couple times and then cut it from the deck. Its a reset that I tend to win with in a couple turns.

From your first episodes together to your final ones, I couldn't help but feel the sadness and the weight of Joe's decisions dividing the great friendship that once was. Thanks for keeping the videos going Beezy.

If I can't play Drannith Magistrate, how do I stop the new Etali from being cast once and then casting all the cards in everyone deck for free?

Nekusar, Xyris and the like love Howling Mine effects. Also it can have a political effect where people might not attack you because you're passively helping them.

I know it's a bit you guys do, but I would actually like to guess when the moxfield add is! It seems like too much work just even suggesting this, but would it be possible to release a short every day that tells us the run time of the video you'll post tomorrow so we can comment there and guess? I don't even know why I want this, but I do.

Thassa’s Oracle is just an NPC card. It’s in like every blue deck ever and gets real old real fast

Honestly the worst thing about Zur's Weirding is that you can't fetch it with Zur :P My personal choice is Curse of the Swine, everything about that card is so fucking stupid. Like, if it destroyed or cost XX, or even went with not being a color pie break and was like "Those creatures become 2/2s with no abilities," it would still be a powerful and versatile answer. But instead people playing Anguished Unmaking colors should consider splashing Blue for the creature removal.

My problem isn't the first time dockside enters. It's how it's better to recur than 99% of other cards to an absurd degree.

Authority of the consuls is so frustrating, specially when playing red. Also any board wipe that destroys all lands too (all is dust)

@nickhughes8179

Жыл бұрын

Lands are colorless. All is Dust can’t touch lands

In the absence of land destruction, mana rocks, and counter spells Green is allowed to run the format.

Video Idea: Commander cards/combos/moves that make you, the player of the cards, feel dirty My vote would be Kaalia of the vast, Master of Cruelties combo

I love Winds of Abandon! Play it in every white deck... one-sided board wipe that nobody gets salty about becauee the get lands, those fools!

Agent of treachery is absolutely disgusting in my sedris traitor king deck. With flicker effects, panharmonicon, and obeka out Good Forking luck :)

In a format where deckbuilding is a form of self expression it's dulling seeing the same cards over and over. I don't think the power is the problem the ubiquitousness is. Often times power is what boots you out of the game early, so you won't be winning much more. It's a shame to me because in so many strategies using niche similar cards that can have upsides over staples is the best part. cEDH instead is more akin to 1v1 and everything goes and it's great for it, cause rule 0 in edh, at least around here, isn't taken as seriously.

@simonteesdale9752

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Power and ubiquitousness are definitely intertwined, but it's really hard to hate a card that's so weak it does nothing. As an example, I really dislike a lot of the broken fast mana for its power and what it does to the game. Jeweled lotus is an example of high power, low ubiquitousness. Meanwhile, I see reliquary tower and Chrolo everywhere. It's basically always a mistake to include them, but I don't hate them anywhere near as badly as I do jeweled lotus.

Possibility storm is fine in like faldorhn. You just cast your cheapest spells and make a bunch of wolves. At least its a win con.

I think Imprison in the moon type cards could be added here. Also I never understood how everybody seems fine with all the insanely efficient green ramp cards in commander, they are cheating you out of the „flow“ of the game just as much. And theres nothing you can do about it since LD is frowned upon.

I think the more impulse draw is printed into the format, and the more color combinations get access to impulse draw, the more powerful cards like Drannith Magistrate become. Impulse draw seems to be a path the developers at WOTC are very keen on exploring.

Possibility Storm is one of my favorites. Especially paired with Teferi's Puzzle Box in my Nekhusar deck

@jeffnorris211

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Possibility storm is in my kaervek the merciless deck so you get double damage triggers from the cast, replacement effect and cast again :)

@kirbyfanprime

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Possibility Storm makes Laelia enormous when you just start flipping down Cheerios and cantrips.

loved to play glacial chasm in my Muldrotha Deck... just keep out of the trouble until i got strong enough. Enjoyed it

@derrickpaulson3093

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The Chasm is the lynchpin in my landfall Maze’s End; however, someone usually has some sort of removal that works on it.

I rarely ever see turn 1 sol rings run away with a game. By turn 4-5 most off the game as leveled out in the tussle.

I think Drannith Magistrate LOOKS worse than it actually is.

@Shimatzu95

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Depends on how much your deck needs your commander in play, if it is just a power boist or payoff it should be fine, if the deck is held together by it it gets painful.

@derrickpaulson3093

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Someone has creature kill. If not, add removal for the 1/3.

@pacdaman15557

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@@Shimatzu95 I play Gale, Waterdeep Prodigy/Scion of Halaster. Drannith Magistrate literally shuts the deck off since you either A. can't cast your commanders and B. can't use Gale to use your graveyard. I don't think Drannith is that bad.

How is mana crypt better than sol ring? I feel like the coin flip 3 damage is a huge downside to save one mana

@MajraMangetsu

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Phyrexian mana teach us that there is a world between 1 mana and zéro mana.

@kamilwhaley-kalaora4839

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Being able to play it for free is HUGE. It could be the difference between casting a cultivate turn 1 or turn 2. When you have 40 life in commander, taking 3 damage roughly 50% of the time is nothing, especially if you have anyways of gaining life or protecting your life total. If the game goes long there is a chance that the life loss starts becoming a problem, but normally when one person plays a mana crypt early the game doesn’t go too long

@Cynsham

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Because Mana crypt costs 0 mana while Sol Ring costs 1, also the 3 life is almost entirely negligible compared to the bonus you get from being multiple mana ahead of your opponents for free

@mitchellloughlin4150

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@@Cynsham thanks folks. Kindof new to magic so I still not fully rationalizing life is a resource

@hermodnitter3902

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The difference is so large, that if one of them should be banned, it has to be Mana Crypt.

My friends and I all have like a 10 sol rings each, it’s just a commander staple. It was in all the first precons and we all use it so no biggie

With Howling Mine and certain Artifacts, the part that is overlooked (and one of the bigger reasons why said cards are so disliked) is the ability to turn them off during either your Turn, or your Opponents' simply by Tapping them. Urza, Convoke, animating them and then using them for whatever including Crewing a Vehicle, Icy Manipulator effects, etc. Symmetrical effects yes and can be used in Group Hug fashion besides, but when they're used in a Stacks way or you're the only one benefitting from the cards (or not being punished by them since they're turned off during your Turn) really makes these cards even more disliked.

2:50 can you imagine a Moxfield plug right here!!!??

Thassas Oracle is so obnoxious it seems like it's in basically any deck with a commander that has Dimir colors. It's not even related to their gameplan usually it's like they throw in just a couple tutors and if they draw Thassas Oracle or Doomsday/Tainted Pact/Demonic Consultation they search for the other half of the combo and win. If you're not paying blue there are very few options to interrupt this. Losing out of nowhere for like 5 or 6 total mana is ridiculous

I had glacial chasm in my Muldrotha deck I played it once and took it out right away

Fast mana rocks are annoying, but all you need is a vandal blast, natural state, natures claim, abrade, thieving skydiver and many more. I just don't like the turn one play 3-5 fast rocks and then turn two they have 8 mana. It's just, if you get rid of a rock, you'd also have to get rid of a ramp spell, not really fair that green (i guess white at this point now) always can get mana faster with treasure being the strongest way to get mana for red.

@jake9107

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ya bro it’s bad it dies to removal lmaooo

I feel like what also adds to why gaea's cradle is hated is cause the reserve list doesn't stop it from showing up, and if it does, it shoots the person who has it way up above those who don't. It honestly should be banned, even if it's a slower tolerian academy, it's still doing academy things.

I've only seen Zur's Weirding once. But it backfired on the person who played it as me and the other 2 players essentially agreed to ignore the trigger for each other and just take turns paying 2 life to prevent the player who played Weirding from ever drawing cards. Basically, we just said, well if you want to make us play a miserable game, then you just don't get to play. Hopefully that guy never wants to play that card again in a public playgroup without taking about it in pregame.

@Volmortanto

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That's why I just play it in Oloro 🤡

Result : edh player are crybaby for the most , half that list Is just whining against wincon xD

The proper way to play Zur's Weirding is to say no without even looking at the card. Then maybe get new friends.

15:46 it is actually my birthday today yay thank you beezy

Hello Frens Was randomly recommended your channel just today

I will say possibly storm and Mishra artificer's prodigy (the OG Mishra) I am ok with despite hating possibility storm.

My most hated Commander card is Garve Titan. Way too powerful and needs to be banned

Honestly, I love that Thassa's Oracle and Demonic Consultation are a thing since it makes the competitive complain 😂. That's the whole spirit of Cedh right? The strongest cards in the format, and that's what they signed up for.

Sol ring, I can't hate it cause everybody has one. And love possibility storm, half my decks are big mana so this card almost always favors me and it's basically free protection

The cards i hate the most are thieves auction and free counterspells you can play around and time normal counterspells but free spells suck

I agree with MOST of these, but I NEED to say this. Fast mana is ONLY an issue in the early game. You get to turn, like, 8 and you draw a Sol Ring or Mana Crypt or Chrome Mox, you might as well have drawn a land. Also, Hullbreacher was only an issue in decks like Nekusar and Xyris where the controller of it was forcing people to draw an excessive amount of cards. Demonic Consultation isn't the issue, it's Thoracle. Anyone complaining about Consultation is wrong. Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos is only really an issue in aristocrats decks and the occasional Gary drain deck. Agent of Treachery isn't as repeatable as Memnarch. Repeating AoT is largely going to be constantly you casting blink spells to trigger it multiple time, Memnarch, all you need is Pili-Pala and Grand Architect. HOW IS GROUP HUG AN ISSUE? Howling Mine? Seriously?

I’ve totally reset games before while having enchanted evening out and casting a farewell

@NitpickingNerds

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EVIL!

I once cast Cultivate and someone cast Opposition Agent in response.

Beezy trying to tell me Teferi’s protection isn’t that good 😂

Drannith Magistrate almost caused fisticuffs at my LGS on FNM LOL :p

glacial casm in my 4 creature artifact combo deck, (Arcum is the commander)

here's an idea. A shuffle/scuffle episode where everyone's deck has lots of these nonsense cards. Especially "Zur's Weirding". I dont mind watching a 6 hour long game play.

I'm sorry, but Back to Basics is only on this list because the person with 300-500 dollar manabase gets punished for it. I just don't feel its as debilitating as winter orb or stasis, and I'm fine if it locks down nonbasics.

Mana crypt always feels worse in my opinion, often i've found one person has mana crypt and the rest may or may not be using sol ring, then when the mana crypt person has an easier time winning it's not very surprising

You guys made a big mistake, buddy. I'll be at CommandFest Orlando, and you just gave me a very interesting idea...

@canamrock

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Jeskai Haterade?

imo sol ring is fine because it does cost 1 mana so you have to spend your 1st turn color to cast it and it's not easy to follow up with it... on the other hand 0 mana mana rocks don't require you to waste colors. so Sol Ring is fine, ban all the 0 cost bs