I'm so glad you mentioned Norway. Our prison system has caught so much flak from other countries. Notably comedians from America. The prison director of Halden once said in an interview "Who do you want living as your neighbour? A person that's been treated like a dog for 10 years, or someone that got help with their addiction, financial troubles, mental health and treated with dignity?"

@Zack-bl2gg

3 ай бұрын

To be fair, the prisons in Norway seem better than a lot of normal living conditions in America. Hell, spending $125,000 on me a year? I'll take it. That's some pretty good wages, more than the actual people that work at those prisons are paid.

@erikelenstrom9685

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but they are worse then most livingcondisons in Norway. Those prisoners aren't treated better then any other citizen, insted they are treated worse because their fredom is taken away. This sentiment only shows that the USA treats it citizens like shit.

@char1211

3 ай бұрын

​@@erikelenstrom9685 This!! Americans and others who think prisoners have a better standard of living than them, consider that it's _you_ who has it worse than you should've and not the prisoners who have it too good.

@seanflora397

3 ай бұрын

@@erikelenstrom9685 You’re right. I’m from the USA and there’s a sinister undercurrent of selfishness and cruelty here. There are many, many wonderful, compassionate, loving, joyful people, but the institutions and structures are remarkably inhumane.

@TBButtSmoothy

3 ай бұрын

difference in culture. educated countries can self reflect. America is egotistical and stubborn, its harder to rehabilitate

Complicating the issue of jails in Los Angeles is the fact that a pretty significant percentage of inmates have severe mental illness. Our jail system has been referred to as the largest mental health hospital in the world but the problem is, it isn't set up to be a hospital. California shut down most of the hospitals and asylums because they became places where people were being inhumanely warehoused but instead of community based models filling the gap, prisons became the answer for now. Great video and really key to understanding the power of architecture to foster relationships.

@federicomasetti8809

3 ай бұрын

Same thing happened here in Italy in the past decades and still we don't have enough communities which will be able to provide the necessary hospitality and treatment for such people. Making the jailed people work will both reduce the public spending for the prisons and give these people the chance to find a new "dimension" for themselves. It won't be easy with everyone, but surely better than having to deal with suicides, riots and criminals who reiterate their crimes, once they are freed

@fmlAllthetime

3 ай бұрын

Nobody gonna mention how Regan and the ACLU destroyed the mental health system without any replacement?

@gary7vn

3 ай бұрын

"Complicating the issue of jails in Los Angeles is the fact that a pretty significant percentage of inmates have severe mental illness. " Prisoners everywhere. We cage, we do not treat. (to the extent that we can effectively treat mental illness, which we cannot)

@MarkSpohr

3 ай бұрын

Could be that the prisons are causing mental illness

@longiusaescius2537

3 ай бұрын

@gary7vn mostly just Regan's mess he left in California and the whole country

whenever i think about prison and recidivism, i think about experiencing school as an autistic kid. In middle school, I would sometimes get so overwhelmed i'd stay in a bathroom stall for an entire class period. They would send me to ISS for skipping class, but I kept having to skip classes. All ISS did was stress me out about my attendance, make me more stressed, and i'd have more and more meltdowns that I felt the need to contain privately. In high school, my 504 counselor (who was much more competent than my IEP counselor in middle school) helped me build a system where I could communicate with my teachers and do my work in the guidance office, where I could be supervised in a relaxed environment and get my work done. When you punish bad behavior, you lose the chance to fix the issue at it's source.

@AspieStingrayLover

3 ай бұрын

I'm having a similar problem that you did in middle school here in university as a late-diagnosed autistic student. Due in part to stress and autistic burnout - as well as a regression in emotional regulation skills - I am currently on probation with my university, meaning they'll suspend me if I screw up again. Punishing someone who is having trouble with a condition like you and I, for example, isn't helpful. Working with them to get to the bottom of why it's happening and addressing THAT is. Thankfully, my therapist and I are trying to work through my struggles. I decided to start some anger management classes soon as well. Especially after a traumatic and abusive roommate relationship a couple of years prior, which still has remnants of an impact on me, I have a long ways to go. However, I'm trying; it's just taking longer than most people.

@indykkowalski9366

3 ай бұрын

Ponder this, if rehabilatipn and accommodation is to be met, what prevents people from lying about their rehabilitation. Would a deterrent of punishment be more powerful

@ohokay4663

3 ай бұрын

@@indykkowalski9366 can you rephrase your question

@DFine321

3 ай бұрын

​@@indykkowalski9366 would that be any worse than a system that encourages private companies to have a high recidivism rate by rewarding them with more money for releasing non-rehabilitated prisoners into society? Putting people in a system that has little to no rehabilitation aspect to it and in which simply being formerly incarcerated cuts your ability to even attempt to live a normal life by a substantial amount seems to be worse than "some people will lie about being rehabilitated."

@joaovictor852

3 ай бұрын

@@indykkowalski9366 this is what we have now and its not efficient.

one thing about the prison in andor having windows is that it proves to the prisoners that there are others competing against them. otherwise they might not believe that they are actually competing and won’t work as hard

@pseudonymousbeing987

7 күн бұрын

People also need hope to survive. They would work less if they never saw the freedom and open sky they hoped to one day recieve.

I recall hearing of a prison where everyone was given a cat to care for. Many of them began to grow empathy and responsibility in caring for their cats and those who abused cats were dealt with severely, by the other inmates.

@DanBowkley

3 ай бұрын

Maryland Correctional Institute for Women has both a cat and a dog program...alas the current warden hates the idea, hopefully that changes soon. They adopted animals from the local shelter that were about to be euthanized so the prison cats are every bit as rowdy as you'd expect. And as you said the inmates are quite protective of their critters.

@politereminder6284

3 ай бұрын

I'm not a criminal, but I'm also not a cat person. This would be torture for me. No cat should be subjected to a forced caregiver 🤢

@emeryltekutsu4357

3 ай бұрын

@@politereminder6284 I think they have to apply to get one after they earn the privilege. So no one is forced to have an animal.

@isaaccardenas8829

3 ай бұрын

@@politereminder6284such a near sighted comment

@politereminder6284

3 ай бұрын

@@isaaccardenas8829 how so?🤔

I can appreciate the crossover from architecture to philosophy, human rights, and psychology

@redcherry8137

3 ай бұрын

:3

@LifeofIb

3 ай бұрын

That’s why Dami’s the best;)

@kritix6080

3 ай бұрын

Current society is controlled by panopticon effect so yea. That's why knowledge cannot be labeled to a general subject and every knowledge can be used in various ways.

@Jewels___

3 ай бұрын

Check Foucault, Discipline and Punish (1975)

@bootstrapbill98

2 ай бұрын

​@@Jewels___very heavy book, and hard to read (both in terms of subject matter and literary style unless you're well versed in how philosophers write and in reading translated books, unless you speak french) but absolutely worth reading, along with his other book The Birth of the Clinic, which does a similar investigation into how the sick, mentally ill and socially intolerated have been treated throughout history in Western Europe

I've been so impressed by your content over the years. Expanding the concept of 'just architecture' to all these philosophies etc. I've been following you for a long time and it's been a joy to see the growth and a pleasure to watch. Thank you!

Damn, I did not expect you to mention Norway's prson system here. It's important to note that the only thing special about Halden is it's facilities. The principles and freedoms of the inmates are similar, if not broader, in other Norwegian prisons.

@benjamintomassennordahl7911

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, especially since Halden is the super max of Norway. I think it’s normally used as it’s a pretty “new” prison that has implemented the ideals from the start in its architecture.

@Henoik

3 ай бұрын

@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 Yeah, what makes Halden special is that it has to cater for its inmates staying most of their sentence _inside_ the prison walls. In many other prisons in Norway, inmates can pretty much leave the facility quite often.

@benjamintomassennordahl7911

3 ай бұрын

@@Henoik Yeah, the prison, therefore, has to "stand on it's own feat" when it comes to recreating normalcy as other prisons will often have work release programs for non-violent offenders.

@arnimzola1139

3 ай бұрын

The city of Halden has a population of 30,000. This is not comparable to any major city in the US.

@benjamintomassennordahl7911

3 ай бұрын

@@arnimzola1139 The justice system works differently in Norway to the US with all prisons in Norway being "national" as in once you have been sentenced it is only in a national court and you are sent to a national prison. So Halden prison is not only for the 30,000 people but for the entirety of Norway's maximum security prisoners.

I worked in "Corrections" at the national level in Canada for many years. This analysis is one of the best that I have ever seen. Prisons, at best, 'incapacitate' as Dami said, they (in most of the world) do not rehabilitate, and are, in fact, a very expensive way of making a 'bad' man worse. Great work Dami.

@DamiLeeArch

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@hueypautonoman

3 ай бұрын

And, of course, there are a lot of ways that societies can prevent crime in the first place. She alluded to that in Norway where the actual number of inmates is so low. When people have a warm bed, roof over their heads, food, clothing, healthcare, etc., they're a lot less likely to disrupt society's laws.

@SuperMrHiggins

3 ай бұрын

criminal college

@mortyjames5897

3 ай бұрын

They don't rehabilitate because most crooks are beyond rehabilitations. The only thing that changes most of them is getting older, and even then not always. Look at the American mafia, most of guys running it are in their 70s or 80s.

@horrifyinggelatinousblob

3 ай бұрын

That's crazy because the most violent members of Canadian society are regularly released to re-offend.

One neat thing that often gets overlooked when people discuss Bentham's panopticon design is that, not only can the whole thing theoretically be managed by a single guard in the centre tower (since no prisoner knows if they're being watched at any time, they must assume that they are), but that eventually you can remove even that one guard, and the behaviour of the prisoners should remain the same, since they don't know there's literally no one watching anymore, and they still must assume the eyes are on them at any moment.

@DamiLeeArch

3 ай бұрын

Dang. I wish I said this in the video. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@danielhahn55

3 ай бұрын

I think it would start to fail when prisoners begin testing small stuff and see that theres no consequence at all. They'd have to work up the courage to start probing though, maybe when an accident or misunderstanding doesn't get reacted to

@Peavey311

3 ай бұрын

@@danielhahn55 Yeah this would be inevitable with new prisoners arriving. Introducing new elements into established situations most always leads to the questioning of the establishment.

@mgancarzjr

3 ай бұрын

​@@danielhahn55prisoners would immediately test every bit of the prison. How long until a guard or other worker is bribed, threatened, or tricked into revealing security lapses. The inmates may be violent, unreasonable, and aggressive, but they are not stupid.

@FalconWindblader

3 ай бұрын

The latter half of your statement would only work theoretically, for reasons already elaborated by those above me. inmates behave not only because they realize that they're constantly being watched, but also the consequences of what they do while constantly being watched. criminals are lawbreakers after all, & all lawbreakers who deliberately go out of their way to break laws, without exceptions, have habits of testing water & see what they can get away with.

In Singapore, the punishment cells in prison only have a hole in the floor that functions as a toilet and the only water source. The lights are left on 24/7 and you sleep on the ground next to the toilet on concrete. Meals come blended like a smoothie making even the food not something to look forward to a lot of people come out loosing 30 to 50 pounds.

@boedilllard5952

3 ай бұрын

Sounds effective.

@overlord165

3 ай бұрын

I prefer this than what we're doing in the Nordic countires were the victimizer is usually better treated than the victims. I believe it was Sweden that literally had a rapist, who had to stay in the arrest for a few days longer than planned. Get a much higher payout than the rape victim got in compensation. I also believe that the victim's payout was from an insurance vs the rapists payout was from taxpayer money.

@cheef825

3 ай бұрын

Least brutal part of Singapore justice system

@humbleopionist4366

3 ай бұрын

The issue is with the Swedish and Norwegian system is, how do you fair ante they won’t change? Humans don’t like to change and when they do something against the law they do it for a reason. If you can’t get rid of this reason you are wasting your time and money because eventually the exact same issue is going to happen again.

@SamuelCheung-rc3tb

3 ай бұрын

I'd choose Singapore over Sweden any day.

I never thought i would be into architecture, but ive been binging your videos the past few days

12:31 It wouldn't be the First Time in the Star Wars unniverse that an Architectural/Engeneering "flaw" was implemented intentionally by someone in order to sabotage the Empire from the inside. Ironically, both stories featuring this have Cassian Andor in it.

@DamiLeeArch

3 ай бұрын

The “flaw” drives the narrative!

@newmember89

3 ай бұрын

The “flaw” provides opportunity and hope.

@bubbly_tub

3 ай бұрын

@@DamiLeeArch i enjoy your chanel's videos from time to time; regarding this one, i have to say frames 1:00 to 1:01 don't portray a view of san francisco (usa) - the landscape is a view you can get of almada from lisbon (portugal)

@MoonBug-jf5tz

3 ай бұрын

👁

@pseudonymousbeing987

7 күн бұрын

@@DamiLeeArch As @newmember89 said, without hope workers will be much less effective. They need to see the open sky they long to have again.

I just did 43 months in federal prison in Seattle Washington. One of the hardest parts for me was the complete separation from nature, it was a multistory building with no access to an outside yard and frosted windows inside the cells. Also there were no real programs to help people work on themselves. One of the worst experiences of my life, alot of days of nothing but suicidal thoughts, thank God I made it through and I'm doing great now.

@missnellie33

3 ай бұрын

❤

@chrismanuel9768

3 ай бұрын

Don't thank God, thank yourself. You deserve credit for the strength you showed. It's okay to praise yourself for your successes. You're free now, and you can be more than you were before. I'm sorry you were kept in a cage like an animal. You're not an animal. I hope you find peace and happiness in life.

@TheStupidBoy.

3 ай бұрын

​@@chrismanuel9768Even your god give punishment to the ones who had did bad deeds in their life in hell

@tomb7942

3 ай бұрын

Did it make you determined to never do anything again to ever be sent back?

@FelixEnder

3 ай бұрын

@@tomb7942 im sure it does make people not want to go back. i think it does so that people would do anything to not go back. so the next time they are in a normal traffic stop they will run from the police and risk other peoples live in fear that there could be a chance that that normal traffic stop could result in them going back. For some people there fear might get so strong that they would kill to not go back...

I lived in prison for only 30 days. At that time, I already had psychotic depression (a depression so deep that you have psychotic symptoms). From the moment I entered, I felt deprived of dignity and respect. Keep in mind, I was in because of very minor offences. There was, however, no distinction between varying levels of criminality. I was in the same cell block as convicted murderers, rapists, robbers, etc.. My mental health deteriorated extremely quickly. Within 2 weeks, my psychosis had gotten so bad that I started to believe that someone had a hit out on me. My anti-psychotic meds were also upped 4X from when I first entered. After I left, the effects from living in jail persisted for a long time afterwards. I was only in for 30 days. I can only imagine the level of (most likely permanent) psychological damage I would have accrued if I had stayed for multiple months or even years. I was lucky enough to have enough financial support and a welfare system that is a lot better than America's (Canadian) that helps those with mental illness weave through the court system. That being said, prison/jail is in no way a form of rehabilitation. It is a form of punishment, designed to strip any self-respect and dignity a person may have. I firmly believe in the concept of rehabilitation rather than punishment, as Norway has been doing for the past couple of decades. I was lucky and smart enough to seek help and am now functioning with barely any symptoms. This can't be said, however, for the vast majority of people. Recidivism rates are very high in Canada, too. And at some point, you become institutionalized. It is a part of capitalism to seek profits and only focus on the short term. Long term plans are on the backburner of a purely capitalist society. Norway and the other Scandinavian countries are actually social democracies, who are not overruled by the corporations and corporate greed in the same way America (the beacon of capitalism) is. Things such as huge differences in recidivism rates prove this, as well as the huge gap in incarceration rates between the US and Norway. There are a small minority of criminals who are not able to be rehabilitated safely, such as psychopaths, sociopaths, and child sex offenders. For the vast majority of criminals, though, rehabilitation is and should be the only solution to solving the problem.

@Mogijup

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story, more people need to hear stories like these because I feel like the average person doesn’t put much thought into how we treat people who have been incarcerated. I hope that you are doing better now 💜 Also, from the river to the sea 🇵🇸

@dannyarcher6370

3 ай бұрын

@@Mogijup Which river and which sea?

@Mogijup

3 ай бұрын

@@dannyarcher6370 from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

@dannyarcher6370

3 ай бұрын

@@Mogijup I ask again. Which river and which sea?

@Lilliathi

3 ай бұрын

@@Mogijup You understand that this sentence is a call to genocide?

I just discovered you guys and you've fast become my favorite youtube channel! Thank you for creating such great & unique content. With a mix of pop culture, and insights on society, art, biology and of course architecture! My eyes have been opened to new ideas and views.

My brother served a sentence in a Norwegian prison, and it was low security which is pretty lax. My aunt told him that she heard that Bastøy was like a vacation resort, with barely any rules or guards. And wondered if he wanted to be sent there instead of (iirc) Larvik Prison. My brother very gently, but firmly shut her down. He said that Bastøy is strictly regulated, by the inmates. You have access to chainsaws and lots of power-tools. And the inmates have an innate hierarchy that makes sure that other new inmates don't "ruin the status quo" for the rest of them. So while it looks chill, it's pretty stressful.

@v-ba

3 ай бұрын

Interesting. Wouldn't these hierarchies lead to more organized crime in the "outside world"?

@Cas_Q

3 ай бұрын

@@v-bawhy would it? Hierarchies exist in the “outside world” as well. There are literal criminal organisations created in the “outside world” haha

@richardgeorge2250

3 ай бұрын

@@v-bait sounds like these “hierarchies” are built around respect and not violence, for example an inmate who’s been there for a couple years knows how everything works and the other inmates would go to him for help. Here in American prisons we have people joining gangs just to avoid the threat of violence from other inmates.

@peachesandcream8753

3 ай бұрын

@@richardgeorge2250 I doubt it; it sounds more like a system where behaviour is rewarded based upon the status quo, so if one of you acts up you all get punished for it. That explains the hierarchy and the regulation by the inmates. Why have extra guards when your inmates will regulate themselves for you? It also wouldn't work for highly dangerous inmates which is why they don't go there. These prisons sound like they're used more for minor criminals than terrorists or murderers for example.

@draglorr5578

3 ай бұрын

@@peachesandcream8753 I can just imagine "Don't you dare do that, we like our privileges and the way things are going, so if you screw it up for us, you wont like the outcome, trust me." *One of the senior inmates says to a newcomer menacingly.* The guards just sit back as the criminals regulate themselves lol.

at one point i worked at an endangered bird breeding center in Hawaii that was a repurposed prison on Maui. the prison had been shut down in the 80s and just barely remodeled to accommodate the birds and staff caring for them as of 2005). it still had most of the old prison fixtures, including the solitary confinement cells near the watchtower. Solitary was the designated storm shelter for the birds, if there was a bad storm or wildfire that cut the center off the birds and staff would move into the hole. Solitary was absolute hell, even being there for half an hour a week to check on the airline kennels and clean and dust was stressful. the smallest sound echoed horribly. We all hated it, and i was glad we never needed to use it while i was there. Even though the facility was no longer used by the prison system and the only people there were employees of the conservation program that room had an impact on you. i can only imagine what living in one for days or months would be like

@nkm08

2 ай бұрын

I apologise, but your job Kunde interesting as someone interested in wildlife as a career. What was it like? The job, I mean.

I'm so glad you brought this topic up.... Totally different places for different purposes but disguised and said that they're the same..

i love your subject content....it is so relevant but with the added unseen, or unthought related issues.

i learned about various prison systems in my civics class. basically, both are trying to reduce recidivism rates, but in wildly different ways. the first focused on rehabilitation, and the second focused on scaring you away from crime so you wouldn't go back to the prison. the teacher never mentioned about the incentive of companies to keep recidivism rates high so they could keep a profit with a full prison. it must be a fine line of looking like you're trying to improve the people contained inside, while ensuring they come back.

@MDP1702

3 ай бұрын

*it must be a fine line of looking like you're trying to improve the people contained inside, while ensuring they come back.* Not if you literally can indirectly buy the politicians and maybe even judges to look the other way, or even help ensure a certain prison population size.

@Samookely

3 ай бұрын

thats my biggest problem with for profit prisons

@alanlight7740

3 ай бұрын

It's even worse. Look up the "kids for cash" scandal in Pennsylvania. A for-profit private prison was bribing two judges to convict children _who had not committed any crimes_ and send them to the prison, in order to maximize their profitability. There had been enough suspicion that an investigation had already been held - which cleared both judges of any wrongdoing _just a few days_ before indisputable evidence of the bribery came to light. How many other places is something like this going on? How many laws are on the books to criminalize common but generally harmless activity just to increase the number of prisoners? How much has public opinion been manipulated to assure that most will approve of such horrors? And if the for-profit prisons are in the business of creating prisoners to make a profit off of, are they going to target populations naturally inclined toward violence and brutality or are they going to target the most inoffensive populations possible in order to maximize compliance and profits? Put that all together, and for-profit prisons create an incentive for powerful people to manipulate the general public into hating and persecuting the least violent and most pro-social elements of the population while simultaneously encouraging the most violent and antisocial elements of society to run wild in order the frighten the public into providing more funding for the prisons.

@AsmodeusMictian

3 ай бұрын

There is absolutely zero reason to have for-profit prisons. Prison should never, ever be a MONEY MAKING opportunity. Such a perverted profit motive and ultimately dangerous mindset.

@erikelenstrom9685

3 ай бұрын

Did they address that punishment genaraly is more likly to worsen behavior than to improv it?

I worked providing mental health services in a state prison for about five years. Spent most of that time working on high security yards (4 yards). One of the major issues is that the residence didn’t have to do normal activities of day-to-day life, things like putting your clothes in a washing machine, managing your own schedule, etc. It’s that combined with neglect, if the plumbing stopped working in someone’s cell the only way that they could get it fixed in a timely fashion was by acting out. (barricading cell, refusing to lock back down, becoming threatening). So the prison system reinforced those kind of behaviors, and didn’t give people the opportunity to learn the kinds of things that would make them successful on the outside. And everything there is broken, or in a state of general disrepair, living in a place where everything is broken, doesn’t really help somebody grow, or improve themselves. And the correctional officers bring drugs in. All this is the say that the system is way worse than most people realize.

@cjgilmore283

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this!

@kuritheking

3 ай бұрын

Don’t forget the guards taking bets on which inmates will survive fights… and not stepping in whatsoever

@GenericName4561

3 ай бұрын

Literally killing floor

@tacticallemon7518

3 ай бұрын

the system is designed to keep prisoners in Slavery is legal if the slave is a convict, and most prisons stand to gain money from selling “prison labor”

@bobw7018

3 ай бұрын

I spent several years in prison in Florida, this is so true it isn't funny. How can we want to improve ourselves if the system doesn't even care enough to fix or maintain anything beyond the security measures to keep us there? I don't even understand how this country survives anymore honestly.

I always learn something about human nature and our relation to our environment through these videos. They've also changed the way I look at buildings and their design function, aesthetics, etc. Thank you for the intriguing and VERY well produced content. Cheers!

Totally love and agree with everything you said. How do we as architects have discussions with our clients about the need to uphold those standards?

“A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals.” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

@icravedeath.1200

3 ай бұрын

He was so fucking based, he had an absolutely amazing grasp on human morailty and he'd fucking hate how prisoners are exploited.

@wolfengod8277

3 ай бұрын

But as always the verdict is dependent on the person judging, a person that has no tolerance for criminality would judge a country that doesn’t punish criminals as unjust and broken.

@icravedeath.1200

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfengod8277 and there will always be people to oppose them.

@tracyalan7201

3 ай бұрын

The problem with the author's position, is that the premise is that outstanding citizens, criminals are treated as a either/or service, but when the society treats it outstanding citizens, criminals better than other elements of the society, there is an even greater problem. If one is homeless, they don't necessarily have food, shelter, clothing, they may have freedom but with no shelter, food, clothing, that is not a great lifestyle. If they are physically challenged, unable to work, how much can they afford? In some cases, being homeless isn't a crime, but they are treated worse because they aren't fed, clothed, or sheltered. Has one ever visited some elderly cared facilities with senile patient's incapable of moving or able to function? Was Dostoyevsky a prisoner treated better than some people of the time and era?

@icravedeath.1200

3 ай бұрын

@@tracyalan7201 i don't remember the quote being about homeless people. You missed the part where a lot of convicts end up homeless after leaving prison, I think that's a bit relevant. Also if I'm remembering correctly it's from a writing of his that was an indictment of the russian governments treatment of their homeless/poor population and prisoners.

Your videos are somehow remarkably emotive, educational, calming and stimulating... at the same time. A joy to experience every time.

@DamiLeeArch

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@TechnoLandscapes

3 ай бұрын

I agree 200%

that was a great video! I loved the show too. Your editing and audio track for this was top-tier!

Great production value on the video. As for the current systems, while the US undoubtedly needs serious reform in the department of prisoner rehabilitation, I do believe it should still be a prison’s job to contain first, punish second, and rehabilitate third. The simple fact of the matter is that not everyone is capable of change, and it is gullible to think that way. The top priority should be keeping dangerous people away from society for obvious reasons. If any of the later priorities or even humanitarian concerns significantly compromise security, they should not be implemented. The secondary priority should be punishment. While I admittedly don’t know anything about that prison in Norway short of what has been shown, I still despise the perception that prison there can be fun. What right does someone who committed a violent crime, or anyone for that matter, to have a fun day of arts and crafts without the responsibility and burdens of a job and bills. Prison is for people who did bad things, it’s not a vacation. Furthermore, there is validity in the argument that those who are incapable of understanding empathy will understand punishment. If prison consists of hard but fair labor, not only do they pay for themselves instead of wasting taxpayer money, it also teaches them about work ethic while still being unpleasant enough to make them not want to go back. Lastly, rehabilitation. Not every prisoner is capable of change or even wants it, and often I think the punishment is needed first. Perhaps the best approach would be to begin rehabilitation a few years prior to release or whenever the prisoner displays signs of being open to rehabilitation. That way, resources aren’t wasted on prisoners who don’t care and the more important priorities of a prison come first. Lastly, and somewhat unrelated to my prior points, prison culture is a huge issue. There are too many “tough guys” who aren’t afraid of being in prison because it’s really not that bad. Consistent trouble makers need to be broken up and separated from those actively receiving rehabilitation. Tying back into my previous points, during the rehabilitation stage then I would find it appropriate for a prisoner to be transferred away from their current group and placed in a much nicer rehabilitation based prison where they are treated better and their progress is monitored. Also the whole “good behavior” thing that people get out early for could be tied in to this process.

@LocalGooberGoobs

2 ай бұрын

This is a wonderful comment, and I agree with everything said! We really shouldn’t be grouping troublemakers with people who want change.

So its a very efficient prison. Disturbing but efficient. That's why Andor is an amazing show, lightyears away from anything else Disney made!

@n8mo

3 ай бұрын

Andor’s worldbuilding and writing is second to none in Star Wars imo. Not even the OT has such consistently well written plots, characters, and worlds. God I love that show.

@TexasCat99

3 ай бұрын

@@n8moHelps that Andor is in the OT era, which helps. The makers of the show are under rated. Same for Rouge One, which they made the movie The Creator, which is a very good movie. Also watch Monsters. Those groups of people are very good with the emotional/human element of storytelling. When Star Wars can have a mom giving her adult son a bowel of Space Cheerios and you can relate.

Dami’s channel is crash course in architectural design theory mixed with her geeky love of sci-fi and I’m loving it. The establishing shot to Narkina 5 looked to me like the gaping maw to the underworld. Props for using clips from George Lucas’s film THX-1138, which covered dystopian themes of dehumanization and brutality in a futuristic police state, and I believe heavily influenced Andor.

@toomanyaccounts

3 ай бұрын

if you know Star Wars original history it is set in the future and ties into THX-1138. it isn't a police state. computers took over

@EricKay_Scifi

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, loved how they kept that theme up. What's also funny is that THX1138 is also the same number of letters and numbers for my log-in ID at work.

Amazing topic and an amazing presentation!

Hi, I love your videos. The way you talk about these topics is captivating. Do you think you could do some longer form videos, like 30-40 min? I think it would suit some topics since you could go into more detail.

I'd be really curious to see you do a deep dive on architecture in Video Games. Particularly a game called Control which features a sentient building called the Oldest House. It came to mind when you were talking about the Panopticon design because they actually kinda used it. Overall, great video!

@DamiLeeArch

3 ай бұрын

Wow looks like it could be a tv show! I will check it out, thanks!

@waterywowies1268

3 ай бұрын

Control was a great game and the spaces in the house was just so intriguing and funny😊 Will never forget the maze!!

I’m an interior design student from the 🇵🇭 and I want to know your take on the 1981 accident in the “Mania Film Center”. This horror story had been a cautionary tale to engineers, architects, and designers on how poor construction can cause so much casualties and death.

@somenerdyblonde

3 ай бұрын

I read about this and what’s wild to me is 1, this sounds like an amazing place for a Jujutsu Kaisen OVA if true, and 2, I cannot find a primary source/explanation for the 169 deaths vs the official 1981 report of 7 deaths. All I can find is the same sentence that it killed “some 169 men” in articles from later than 2000. One paper, 1, cites Lico 2003 for this figure, but failed to include that citation in the references. I understand that this was an authoritarian regime and I’m not going to find an article from 1981 with this figure, but that’s a very specific number to not have an article from a forensic group or labor statistics from the build. In fact, there’s an article from 2017(2) that interviews the original architect and he affirms it was only 7 deaths. He also says the inflated numbers were due to psychics attempting to connect with the dead. 1) www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10357820903153715 2) opinion.inquirer.net/108458/account-1981-manila-film-center-deaths

@universpro7741

3 ай бұрын

Caribbean abandoned prisons must be very interesting

@urdadsleftasshole69

2 ай бұрын

as a fellow filipino i agree!

2:19 in and you're dropping serious knowledge. LOVE this video already.

There is very small minority of individuals who thrive in solitary confinement as they are able contain their composed thoughts in serenity. However for the majority of people who need social interaction, it is maddening to the point of insanity.

@Pingwn

3 ай бұрын

Even people who prefer solitude need some amount of social interactions, even if they also need solitude for a larger portion of their time.

@sxftenby

2 ай бұрын

Do you have any examples of people thriving in solitary confinement?

@zz_dont_die_zz4453

2 ай бұрын

@@sxftenbyyes exactly. Show proof.

@zz_dont_die_zz4453

2 ай бұрын

I’ve been to jail and I can tell you you there is not a single human being who would agree with you.

@JW-mb6tq

2 ай бұрын

I think the poster is confusing being solitary with “solitary confinement”. Solitary confinement in most situations is damn near sensory deprivation. As was stated in the video this is a well known torture technique. Even if you are the biggest introvert in the world…if we deny you too much of your senses, you will lose it.

Minus a unifying architectural design, the situation is similar to Oak Ridge in the 1940's and 50's where top physicists worked on components of thermonuclear weapons without knowing what they were building, all while having their professional and private lives closely surveilled. I believe this divide-and-control strategy is still applied in public and private institutions.

@Nempo13

3 ай бұрын

Of course it is. I work in security and surveillance. I have been paid to watch people do very mundane things for months on end simply because their employer wanted them to know they were being watched. When it makes sense I have no problems doing it (such as if the individual is working on a military project). When it is petty crap I refuse.

@dustronyt4565

3 ай бұрын

ouch, spoilers! xD

it’s crazy how you step up your production level with each video! love these vids :D

@reload9996

3 ай бұрын

me too!

This is such a well made video. Everything in it is deliberate. Keep up the great work

I love your videos. They're visually pleasing and full of nice infos, really well explained!

Btw, I don't think the windows in the corridors were a mistake. Watching the wide shots with the colourless colours,best way to describe it, the windows literally tell the prisoners that they a buried alive. There is no escape. Basically another form of control.

@redcherry8137

3 ай бұрын

For the right people this is perfect.

@utaatu4576

3 ай бұрын

Yeah and some people sleep in coffins while others have deep claustrophobia, the point is that for MOST people, this is lITERALLY TORTURE. @@redcherry8137

@kingol4801

3 ай бұрын

@@redcherry8137 That is all kinds of wrong sentiment. Encouraging torture, emotional or physical, and pretending as if redemption does not exist, arguably is so much worse than just killing the persecuted. And yes, believing so means that you are a horrible person as well

@ovoid_ovvie

3 ай бұрын

@@kingol4801 I'm pretty sure they only got out because of the windows, in the show. That's why they said it's perfect for the right people.

I think the big question is moreso the "idea" of justice rather than the implementation of how poorly it is handled. We see this very commonly in the US where a falsely accused can spend half their life in prison or a petty theft/low level marijuana/small traffic infraction can lead to hard time. While the incredibly disturbing crimes committed by those with political or financial power, can get off with barely even a court case. Up until recently the police force in many US cities could and in some cases with the federal police force still can, immediately resort to deadly force with no trial or even investigation. Which paints a grim and horrifying picture for pretty much anyone who has the unfortunate outcome of getting cause "on the wrong side" of the law. A side which gets determined by those in political power. Not the people in the society.

@BouncingTribbles

3 ай бұрын

Also the indelible nature of being tied to crime. They don't want you to do better, or you could get a job. The system forces people to reoffend to feed themselves. So even the people who could help themselves, the people who want to do better and have hope are stuck.

@cjgilmore283

3 ай бұрын

LITERALLY THIS

I love your videos so much and they honestly bring me a lot of relaxation lol

Wow! I came here from the Shorts version and couldn't put it down! Great video and very well-organized.

How have I never known about your channel. The way you articulate your words, then follow with a punchy delivery into your point/topic is so entertaining and educational at the same time. Found a new fav channel

@TheZombieButler

2 ай бұрын

Same here. A fantastic video essay.

@jbear3478

2 ай бұрын

I know!! And her sponsored section is like a second long. What an angel

This is your best video yet. You've kept it architecture focused while bringing light to a huge issue that affects all of us basically every day.

Incredible video. It could also be interesting highlighting the other side of the spectrum which is the Cecot in El Salvadoe, and how they view the treatment of prisoners.

I've actually had some study classes in one of those circular prisons. It looks a lot like the one shown at 2:09, Koepelgevangenis in Breda. Such a weird building to look at and now it's a cultural place where people have classes, workshops, film tv shows and the circular prison hosts a prison escape experience. Thanks for the nice insight in that kind of architecture!

That's a beautiful insight Dami. American prisons are punishment, not rehabilitation. And they're FOR PROFIT. There's no incentive to help or educate the prisoners. That's pretty disgusting but the idea of rehabilitation is absolutely inspirational when applied with compassion and ethics. Thank you for sharing this

@douglasvankammen2916

3 ай бұрын

How much compassion will you have when a convict throws bodily fluids on you?

@MetastaticMaladies

3 ай бұрын

@@douglasvankammen2916 What are you even trying to say here? That we should continue treating prisoners inhumanely because they might… throw bodily fluids at you?

@LexYeen

3 ай бұрын

​@@douglasvankammen2916maybe if they were treated like humans, they would behave like humans. just saying.

@samhill618

3 ай бұрын

It’s interesting that most sci-fi dystopias model themselves on an extreme version of the American system (the 13th amendment allows it to continue with people incarcerated). Also in Germany it’s a human right to want to escape prison so you aren’t penalised for the attempt.

@samhill618

3 ай бұрын

I think the Norwegian system needs a system that isn’t so reliant on using workers for the gains of a few, what comes to mind is how well it would work in the solar punk environment you spoke about recently.

Ms. Lee - i would love to see you tackle schools from pre-school through universities in a future video.

@izzatihassan1475

3 ай бұрын

Agree. Perhaps about school structure difference across the world and how it contributes to the quality of education. I remember one research where they changed the type of lighting and it markedly improved the behavior of the kids in that class.

As an aspiring urban designer and architect, you are exactly what I strive to employ, I've always seen the beuaty in architecture and urban design to be such a manifestation of things so much greater and almagamation of so many factors and interplay. Its fascinating beyond belief.

I'm glad I found you. Your content is educational and enlightening.

Your voice is so soothing and endearing regardless of the grim subject matter

Having a shockable floor is next level insanity

@StefanReich

3 ай бұрын

More like "shocking floor", no?

@chaomatic5328

3 ай бұрын

The floor is lava

@marcoscaba3846

3 ай бұрын

During the late 1970's and early 80's in El Salvador, there were floors with spikes like sharpened gutter nails used as traps. An unauthorized person enters and the nails pop up through boots.

@tneveca

3 ай бұрын

Maybe our entire country should have a shock floor to stop conservatives from saying all those hateful things

@noscwoh1

3 ай бұрын

​@@tneveca My... What a 'hateful thing' to say. #liberalprojection

Found your channel for the first time through youtube's algorithm (for better or worse). I really enjoyed all of this and will now be checking out Milanote and probably use it wrong or in a way it wasn't designed. Hell, i just subscribed because i appreciate things that inform me about our downfalls and ways to do them better.

Great video! So interesting. I helped build one here in New Mexico I noticed that once it became about money and prisons became privatized it was all about just keeping them full

Thanks for making aware of the torture aspects of the modern prison systems. You are an excellent video essayist. Love your work!

A phenomenally good video. 'New Dami vid' is the thing that makes me drop everything else and reprioritise, and it's because you guys at Nolli are able to discuss complex things with apparent ease, and without heavy-handedness or any preaching involved.

Always love your videos. Can’t wait to see the next one.❤

good informative video thank you, it's rare to find good videos like this on this platform, I will be subbing!

Your stunning production is only second to your masterful and thought-provoking storytelling. Amazing work! Thank you for your time and effort. It is highly appreciated.

I would say the idea of the windows in NARKINA was to show the inmates how small and insignificant they are. Also, by showing they are underwater, it would dissuade the inmates from escaping. The Flaw of the prison was it was understaffed. It should not have been 1 per 100 prisoners. They talk about it when Andor arrives.

@ChristoffRevan

3 ай бұрын

They literally said it was because of manpower issues due to the literal Civil War lmao...you're acting like they just decided to have so little manpower by choice

@LexYeen

3 ай бұрын

​@@ChristoffRevansir, this is star wars. the empire could have used droids as part of security, but they chose not to. it was an intentional decision on the part of the empire.

@GuineaPigEveryday

3 ай бұрын

@@LexYeen the Empire using droids??? They have like one K2SO per patrol squadrons or something but using fleets of droids is not something that'd ever happen in this universe. The whole point of Andor is showing how arrogant and fat and satisfied the empire is, they believe that by designing the perfect prison they have won. Also this is just one prison of many it seems (when Andor leaves the beach planet and there's multiple destinations), and most likely according to the creators, many of the escapees were later tracked down and killed. Also they were able to kill an entire floor when they wanted to, so that made them very self-assured.

Great video and subject! Thanks!!

I just discovered your channel. Your videos are amazing. I get Anna Akana vibes because your videos are equally interesting, well made and entertaining!

Really good video! And I fully agree at the end. A prison really represents if countries want change or just keep going with their "efficient" designs. And it's sad to see that many of the American prisons are private, it doesn't give the prisoners a fair chance.

I found your channel a few weeks ago and have been binging it. Thank you and keep up the great work!

Very informative and great knowledge crossjng over social, design, psychology, ...

Amazing work as always

I'm glad I found this channel. You really have a knack for being able to talk about the most terrifying, depressing subjects in a way that makes them appear solvable and normal. I don't know how to talk about this stuff without exploding into military science, Clausewitz, asymmetric warfare, Napoleonic Wars, etc.

@JohnDoe-bt9qp

2 ай бұрын

You just found this channel because you came from KZread Shorts. And the channel has over a million suscribers, which makes this an enormous platform.

@iwanttwoscoops

2 ай бұрын

wowwww, you’re so smart and educated

Used to be a CO, this opened my eyes to the purpose of the structure but also the change in the value of security. Love Andor, that story arch was such a good arch, your channel is dope.

You guys are doing an amazing job with your videos. I am new to your channel an i am binge watching all your videos. Pls keep the great work.

They’ve got similar architecture in the jails here where a corner surveillance station can see the entirety of the jail pod. Though least here in Utah they’ve put a lot of effort into remediation and therapy to help people integrate and lower recidivism. I wouldn’t have experienced firsthand the power and value of a therapist without them putting my through all those hoops. I hope with time they can build more therapeutic jails and prisons too.

I found your choice of topics and how you link them to architecture and its sense of purpose fascinating. Prisons are very daunting in general and how countries deal with prisoners sometimes makes no sense, for what the purpose of a prison is supposed to be. Thank you for the thorough analysis.

This Team puts in the effort. very impressive ! keep it up and i can see the channel grow massivly in the upcoming year! great work!

Hey, I just wanted to say your KZread short really intrigued me I was gonna dcroll but I realized that this is very Intresting keep it up

Subscribed on this video alone. Loved it. Thought provoking. Will be watching more.

Wow great video, loved all the animations too. I was thinking a lot about Narkina 5 before when i saw that show. Thank you for this amazing work

Absolutely love this view on narkina 5, I thought it was absolutely terrifying, a prison that was both ‘noninvasive’ but utterly dehumanizing. And what happens when that fear factor fails, and people rise up. I absolutely love the narkina arc. I love andor over all (actually wrote an essay on it) and absolutely love your take on it

this is a great video to me because it adds perspective to my life that i did not previously have. thanks

Hey I really appreciated the video❤ ive done years in prisons in Maryland and Delaware when i was in my 20's i was addicted to heroin and had several mental health issues that stemmed from childhood. The DOC system is so broken. If you end up there in one piece you're probably not leaving that way. And its really hard to find people that work in the system that care at all about rehabilitation. Its all about money. The world needs more people like you. Unfortunately i am one of the few people to make it out and eventually turn my life around and start a family. But it couldn't of happened if i didn't already have a really strong support structure that i was just lucky enough to be born into. Most convicts dont have that. So they need advocates!

Great video, this is the first time I've watched you....and now I'm subscribed. Thank you for addressing this issue with humanity and in a way that makes it interesting.

This has quickly become one of my favourite channels on this platform. The production value and the end result is amazing, also the topics are really interesting. Thank you!

2:56 I remember when I was in grade school when I broke the rules they locked me in a closet all day and it kind of reminds me of that but with padded walls and nothing in it but a broken chair, I still have nightmares about that, they called it the cool down room.

Well crafted research and videos, already subbed.

Your content makes me so happy, thanks for creating!

Im a simp for all things Andor, and a lot of thought has been put into its architecture. The prison arc was great, and your analysis on its prison concept is very informative. Thanks! Would be interesting to know your take on Coruscant's architecture too.

First time coming across the channel and i really like the content!

Happy to have found this channel. 👍

Best show yet! Keep up the good work.

This is great research, appreciate your work

Great ep! Never seen your channel before, I think I'll stay for awhile. Thanks.

I'm currently in the process of designing a game centered around escaping from a prison as one of the main central themes and I cant tell you how awesome it was to find this in my feed. This video is definitely gonna be a major point in researching more about how prisons are designed. Absolutely amazing watch.

Wow, I was hoping you would cover this prison architecture!

I am absolutely loving your approach to Architecture, you and your team are doing a fantastic job not that I know anything lol. Would love to see your take on Santiago Calatrava’s City of Science in Valencia Spain, it’s controversial conception and it’s contribution to the city. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Your channel is absolutely incredible every video is unique and informative please continue with this quality ❤ from India

There's something kind of poetic in the fact that just letting inmates see nature and sunlight has such a positive outlook on not only them, but on society itself. While conversely, stripping that view down as much as possible literally _breaks_ human minds.

Am I the only one bummed when I start seeing the credits at the end of the video? I'm always so engrossed that I want to learn more!

Such a great video! More about speculative architecture, please!!!

great video, please keep this kind of content coming! :D

this is probably the most interesting video i’ve watched so far, i usually watch funny stuff, but you seem knowledgable and you’ve done your research and cited evidence, i’ll definitely be coming back