Can we all agree that Doug ended with the graduation episode on Nickelodeon and Disney Doug was just a collective bad dream?

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

This is the only true answer lmao 😆

@oooh19

2 ай бұрын

Unpopular opinion: I liked the Disney version ok but the Nick version way more

@misspinkpunkykat

2 ай бұрын

A bad fever dream. They graduated, went to college. Doug became a writer of a well loved children's series called Quail Man. Patty became a teacher.

@ghosters1072

2 ай бұрын

@@misspinkpunkykat Skeeter became a writer for a cryptozoology magazine and programmed his own video games on the side, like that dude he met in college.

@misspinkpunkykat

2 ай бұрын

​@@ghosters1072 I always saw Skeeter marrying BeaBea who IDK I always saw as growing up to become a police officer or firefighter or EMT. Al and Lou the twins are either scientists, or engineers. Connie is a therapist, Patty maybe a veterinarian (I originally said teacher then remembered the horse episode from the Nick series. Maybe she's a professor at a veterinary school?) Judy Funnie is a famous actress and drama teacher. Rodger, I could see as a respected kindergarten teacher. Just because he's mean as a kid doesn't mean he'll stay mean. They're only 12 in the original series and he's had a lot of time to grow up. He's mostly mean because he feels his father abandoned him and is jealous of the other kids who do have an active father in their lives. Doug married Patty and they adopted a little boy from a third world country and although he may not look like Doug, physically, he's defiantly his father's son.

The fact we shy away subjects that make us uncomfortable is exactly why mental health is such an issue. Some children do struggle with mental health and body image issues and burying our heads in the sand just makes things worse

@walker1984

Ай бұрын

This is true, but I'm not sure a cartoon is the ideal format for this especially when you cannot talk to actual children and let them air their current problems and issues they are dealing with. I think having an open discussion would go a long way for children but I am not sure if the education system will support that. It's a shame

@HappyKittyShop

Ай бұрын

And parents who can't explain it to their own kids and rather blame someone else for it. Makes it easier to be a bad parents. No accountability!

@LeonardAndHisBiscuit

17 күн бұрын

@@walker1984 You're thinking of approaching an adult with the issue. You can't do that with children, they're on a whole other wavelength and can't comprehend the logical way adults think. You have to appeal to a more emotional and demonstrative method of teaching. Don't just sit them down and list off a bunch of bullet points from a doctor's pamphlet, *show them* what it's like, put them in the shoes of a character they like or relate with and have the character go through mistakes or falters to demonstrate what could or will happen, and then how to correct these mistakes.

"I'm strangely repulsed! And yet attracted..." That needs to become a new reaction gif.

@FallingIntoTheBasement

2 ай бұрын

Yes! 🙌

@akganimationstudioproducti3779

2 ай бұрын

That’s definitely memeworthy

@simsgirlgem

2 ай бұрын

Yes 😆

@comettamer

2 ай бұрын

Scaroused?

@jrmloh

2 ай бұрын

Has the same energy as Johnny Bravo's "I'm sickened... but curious."

"I disdain what Disney did to Doug" Well you just earned yourself a subscription.

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

😆 great minds think alike!! Seriously though, they butchered this show lmao.

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

2 ай бұрын

@@DuskTillShawn Funny enough, the only piece of Doug merchandice I own is the Movie on VHS and another one called "The Vampire Caper"

@tomlinson1710

2 ай бұрын

Star Wars: first time?

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

2 ай бұрын

@@tomlinson1710 What?

@Santoryu90

2 ай бұрын

Eh I didn’t really hate it but at the same time I won’t defend episodes like this.

Its funny that the gym teacher is overweight yet tells literally children to work harder

@amethyst_cat9532

2 ай бұрын

Honestly that's pretty common for American school sports coaches

@clydefrosch

2 ай бұрын

i'm sure he did his time when he was a kid

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

2 ай бұрын

Abby was the same on Dance Moms I hear

@edwardgaines6561

2 ай бұрын

Not just public school, even at your local Planet Fitness.

@thenerdbeast7375

2 ай бұрын

Welcome to PE

You can tell it's Disney because Skeeter sounds like an off-brand Mickey Mouse that Disney picked up anyways.

@newguy371

2 ай бұрын

But Skeeter's VA didn't change. The only actor who was replaced was Billy West.

@birthdayfruitecake8158

2 ай бұрын

@@newguy371 Damn, that's... that's sad. ...Well Skeeter does sound similar but he sounds higher pitched in this one.

@pharmcat8484

Ай бұрын

Reverse puberty

@VictoriaBarrios96

Ай бұрын

​@@pharmcat8484 fairly odd parents cosmo syndrome.

@Felamine

Ай бұрын

@@birthdayfruitecake8158 Tbf Fred Newman was pushing 50 when the Disney series was being made. I think it was getting tougher for him to do the Skeeter voice as the years went on.

Weirdly enough American Dad actually handled eating disorders, body dysmorphia, and anorexia better

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@melissacooper8724

2 ай бұрын

I remember part of the episode of American Dad. I mostly remember seeing what Stan looked like through his eyes versus what he looked like to everyone else. I was shocked to see him all skin and bones!

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

Yes I understand, also in the end Stan went and found help, and got healthy!

@thekeeperofsecrets1615

2 ай бұрын

Also the fact he made up a person who would shout at him about his weight a literal manifestation of his insecurities

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's right, but the important thing is, he fought the person, he made up, and Stan won, overcoming the eating disorder!

It always bothered me that Connie being a heavyset girl in the Nickelodeon series was never acknowledged here. You would think she would be sympathetic to Patty’s worries given she literally went through a similar thing, but they ignore it as if the Nickelodeon series is not canon to the Disney series. I will say tho, Mr. Dink’s “I’m strangely repulsed” line is the episode’s highlight, I’m glad you included it

@LittleMissLounge

2 ай бұрын

I think she mentions going to a fat camp at some point? I vividly remember that.

@baffledbrandon3132

2 ай бұрын

Even Doug himself went through this very same thing.

@clydefrosch

2 ай бұрын

well, canonically, connie was never bothered by her weight and literally only roger and his goonies ever bullied her for it (and they bullied everyone for anything) and it completely solved itself over a growth spurt, that said, it would have been more realistic if connie was the one actually afraid to become the heavy one again

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

2 ай бұрын

​@clydefrosch Well she was sent to weight loss camp

@buildtherobots

2 ай бұрын

​@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254probably the only person to go to fat camp and 1 actually lose a significant amount of weight and 2 claims to have had a great time there.

Roger is rich because when the city built the new middle school, they bought the trailer park where he and his mom lived, but they didn't rent a lot, they owned their lot. Since they'd already bought the rest of the trailer park, Roger's mom was able to charge the Bluffs far more than the lot was actually worth.

@ChaosInfinityProductions

2 ай бұрын

He was revealed to be Rich in the original series, not just the Disney series.

@gravethebeyond

2 ай бұрын

Good. I am so happy someone stuck it to those damn Bluffs.

@leeeroyjenkins555

2 ай бұрын

​@@gravethebeyond even if it was fucking roger lmao

@jimmyramos7143

2 ай бұрын

This man just spoiled the entire plot of Yakuza 0

@Sonicfalcon16

2 ай бұрын

Why did this show have this level of thought put into this?! I did not expect that

they didn't even bother to solve Patti's underlying issue, they just glossed over it like it was nothing 😭

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

RIGHT?! The ending was so anticlimactic that it kinda felt like they dropped the ball a bit. 😔

@Lover_of_ebrietas

2 ай бұрын

Skill issue lmao, but seriously I feel like she gonna have very similar issues in the future

@JaredJonesAZ

2 ай бұрын

Ah the 90's... good intentions and brave new horizons handled in a sloppy semi-focused way

@nationalinstituteofcheese3012

2 ай бұрын

Why did Doug even call her fat?

@trippingandbrowsing1269

2 ай бұрын

@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012 that was very heavy sarcasm that Patty didn't pick up on because she was feeling insecure

This episode is just a female version of the Nickelodeon episode where Doug spent a weekend at his grandmas and came back slightly overweight from being over fed by his grandma (because that’s what grandma’s do. Feed their grand babies). And at the same time he was invited by Bebe for a swim party and Doug felt self conscious about his weight and had day dreams of being overweight all the time until he stumbled upon an ad to workout. He does his best to workout but he still feels self conscious about his body because he worked off the weight he gained from when he was at his grandmas. Also a lot of the other kids were self conscious about their own appearances as well on the day of the swim party.

@madden8021

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like every Silent or Boomer Generation problem when it comes to overfeeding the next generation.

@oooh19

2 ай бұрын

Isn’t it normal to some degree to have body image issues and whatnot especially when you’re growing up?

@michaelleoanrd194

2 ай бұрын

​@@oooh19I think it's normal to become aware that you are being judged on your body, but developing an eating disorder shouldn't be shrugged off as "normal." Putting ourselves on crash diets, especially in adolescence, is unhealthy and should be portrayed as such.

@Sketch89

2 ай бұрын

Yeah however, in that episode, Doug actually ate, but healthier foods. It could be disordered eating as well, but he didn’t starve himself

@KingXeonMyroku

2 ай бұрын

@@Sketch89 I was more pointing out the body image issue not the eating disorder part.

The info at the end may have been removed if it became out of date. Those phone numbers are from the late 90s and may no longer work.

@akganimationstudioproducti3779

2 ай бұрын

Fair point

@some7ransChick

Ай бұрын

I figured as such and just checked; searching the numbers brought up similar services, but none at the provided numbers. The URL is also invalid.

@aghostspider4659

29 күн бұрын

@@some7ransChick They could have replaced the scene with something else, thing is making people sick is helpful to big pharma... Who wants wellness when you can charge people to not get sick?

@brandonsteele2826

23 күн бұрын

A lot of old commercial numbers have been bought out. And they have been bought by a specific industry.

They likely removed the eating disorder hotline and mental health links to future-proof the episode for when those links no longer worked.

@FallingIntoTheBasement

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I remember the “Girl Power” website back in those days 😅

@bunniifangz

2 ай бұрын

@@FallingIntoTheBasementi remember the whole family and i had AOL accounts when i was little back in the 2000s

@desaigamon

2 ай бұрын

Like that Roger Rabbit videogame that gives you a phone number you could call for hints, but was later taken over by a phone sex company.

@FallingIntoTheBasement

2 ай бұрын

@@desaigamon ouch! 😓

@rabnadskubla8594

2 ай бұрын

@@desaigamonWas Jessica Rabbit on the other line?

I will say, as someone who has endured an eating disorder, what Patty goes through is exactly how it can downspiral fast. They even got the dizziness and slurring of her words down pretty right; I had gotten bad enough to a point where I couldn't form words correctly when I tried to speak. It was kind of scary. That said, there's no way to tackle this kind of topic without making it a proper special because the recovery process is such a bitch to get through. It's not easy, it's not a switch you turn on or off. The psychological component behind it basically takes over your mind and you have to learn how to regain control of yourself. There's also long-term damage you have to live with sometimes too, depending how bad it gets and if you relapse too, which is always a real possibility. It took a couple years for me to get to a point where I'm basically indifferent to past triggers. I can no longer run, unless I take a puff of an inhaler because I damaged my pulmonary system. I have some minor brain damage, primarily just memory is a mess and my math skills are no longer where they used to be. i luckily do not have any noticeable heart damage, but I would not be surprised if there was some. But I do believe in bringing awareness to the disorder because it is by far one of the deadliest mental illnesses out there. I think the best way to wrap up a topic like this for a kids show is to basically have the character going to see a psych team (psychiatrist, therapist, dietitian, etc.) to get help, and show that the character admits they still need to keep working on their problem cause it isn't easy, but that they're on the right healthy path again. It's okay to show that a problem isn't completely resolved at the end, but that there is still hope because the character is getting help to overcome it eventually.

@gh0rochi363

2 ай бұрын

Proud of you

"Waist Away" is pretty clever, though.

This is why the Nickelodeon’s Doug will always be better I bet in the end they would have solved the issue and not just gloss over it

@edwardgaines6561

2 ай бұрын

Just like Gargoyles, when it went to Saturday the story and animation suffered.

@megangerhart3540

2 ай бұрын

Lizzie McGuire also glossed over ED with Miranda

@Anhviet19

2 ай бұрын

This isn't why for me . Nickelodeon's doug is just better regardless of this episode or not .

@mattkennedy6115

Ай бұрын

@@megangerhart3540erectile dysfunction?

@emiliavenka

Ай бұрын

​@@mattkennedy6115eating disorder

I think this scene may have been removed because the number is outdated now, and if someone called it, on the other side it could be picked up by some random person who didn't even know that their number is in some old TV show.

@PMIII

2 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking too 🤔

@rionaka8835

2 ай бұрын

I really doubt that because other television shows keep in their old numbers from very special episodes. It’s certainly possible, but I imagine that it was simply removed after the first time it ran, because Shawn said it was done in syndication. Meaning it would’ve been while the show was still running and the number would still be active.

@clydefrosch

2 ай бұрын

@@rionaka8835its also possibly people prank called the numbers and the website didn't surivive the attempts to access it so they were asked to remove them, since they're all the way at the end, they could've been cut with the credits like so many shows were (to squeeze in that one more ad block somewhere)

@stishstash166

2 ай бұрын

maybe they got the number wrong by accident

@AceFuzzLord

2 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking. The last thing Rickey Rats would want is some a bunch of complaints that their kids called those numbers a decade later and they have turned into something like a sex line or some disgusting group trying to prey on children's innocent idiocy.

Does anyone remember that this wasn't the first time Doug covered body-shaming? Like, in the old Nick show there was an episode where Doug gained weight at his grandma's and people ragged on him relentlessly, and he began over-dieting and exercising to get the weight off in a super short amount of time so he can go to a pool party. Then, lets not ignore the stark slimdown Connie got during the Nick-to-Disney transfer. I feel like Disney was trying to subconsciously sell us something toxic about body types here...and when they failed they made this episode.

@mrs.wontkins9294

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. In that episode on the original run Connie just kind of chuckles about being chubby and tells Doug it's ok to be yourself. But the Disney version made her thin like all the other girls.

@twiztidfreekshow199

2 ай бұрын

Thank you I was about to mention this episode! Also it's interesting that Connie said that but Disney made her thin -_-

@Jordan-tu4ki

2 ай бұрын

I'm Ronald wisenheimer, prepare to suffer

@SparkleBurgerLuv

2 ай бұрын

Disney channel did too

@animefan25

2 ай бұрын

It was called "Doug Tips the Scales".

What makes this worse is that when Patty asks Doug if she’s needs to lose weight, it’s made very clear that Doug was answering sarcastically

@clydefrosch

2 ай бұрын

of course, doug is typically more empathetic and ought to notice that she didn't pick up on him not being serious

@Chimeragui

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@clydefroschI mean you’re not wrong but I’m willing to give Doug some slack because he was partially distracted by his own goals at the time and he still caught onto Patty hurting herself and tried to stop it well before things went too far, it was Patty’s own stubbornness and the coach being a moron that ultimately led to the volunteer finally stepping in and putting an end to this

@stellastarfield1111

2 ай бұрын

@@clydefroschNormally he would. He loves her so much. Disney Doug is nerfed.

@johnnobon

Ай бұрын

Yeah but I think to someone who is stressing about something like that, even a sarcastic answer can make you feel like it's true. The same way she would overhear something that isn't even about her, or her weight; even though it wasn't telling her to lose weight, when she was already in her head about it, it was enough to serve as confirmation to her.

@alicewright4322

Ай бұрын

sarcastically as in: he intended to be cruel. or ironically meaning: he was saying the opposite of his sincere belief as a joke or for effect? I think Doug was being ironic, and he did not realize how insensitive it was, because he was too busy to realize this was a serious issue for Patty.

As sad as it is, something I’ve noticed as a parent is that other parents will often just shut down a lot of conversations because they find them too uncomfortable or they think their kids are too young. Something I told my oldest child when he started school was that if he in any way felt unsafe or there was something he needed to talk about to tell an adult. If the adult he talked to makes him feel unheard or even more unsafe then to come to me or dad.

@oneofakind9995

2 ай бұрын

As a teenager, I wish my parents were more like you. Feels like they're eto uncomfortable to admit thier issues.

@jessicaervay2239

2 ай бұрын

@@oneofakind9995 I hope they learn eventually. Something important I’ve learned about being a parent is that we do have to own up to our mistakes. We also need to apologize to our children when we do mess up, just because they’re children doesn’t mean they don’t deserve our full respect. We shouldn’t let our issues get in the way of talking about things that need to be talked about.

@torianjewell1073

Ай бұрын

Thank you for this information!! Definitely putting it in my memory for the future!

@WobblesandBean

20 күн бұрын

​@@oneofakind9995 Same. My mom refused to tell me about my body when I hit 13 and stuff began to happen.

This one and "Weighing Harold" from Hey Arnold always stuck with me.

@Maspets

Ай бұрын

WH was disgusting.

@AmethystTheEspeon

Күн бұрын

I love Weighing Harold. I felt so bad for him.

The irony of the fact that Connie is in this episode when she was a bit of a chubby character in the nick show.

My far too forgiving brain just assumed they removed those resources at the the end because they became outdated. No point showing a number that doesn't have anyone attached anymore.

This is probably the best very-special-ED-episode I've seen, TBH. The writers got a lot right. My only real complaint is the too simple ending. It's a shame censors targeted it. Especially since it's one of the better Disney's Doug episodes.

The sad thing is how believable that was for a 90's coach. One coach at my school told someone with a sprained ankle to walk it off and had a bad attitude when they insisted on going to the nurse. The parents were furious but it was the 90's so nothing really changed.

As someone who struggled with an eating disorder, not eating and reminiscing on no longer eating like normal is HEAVILY romanticized so the whole “reminder for when you used to eat” just hurt real bad cause that’s how I did see it, I’d think I’d finally look good and people will comment how good I look and I’d think about how I used to eat compared to not anymore and actually feel good thankfully I’m in a much better place now, eating how I should and not feeling shame or guilt for occasionally snacking, got a dog and walking and playing with him every day keeps me active enough too!

I wish they showed some boys suffering from eating disorders

@jessdallas7833

2 ай бұрын

The American Dad anorexia episode is good

@Heretowatchvideos123

2 ай бұрын

In heyArnold Harold was trying to lose weight in a weight camp but instead he gained so in the episode he lost weight until he went back to his original self

@nationalinstituteofcheese3012

2 ай бұрын

@@Heretowatchvideos123 Oh ya, a way better episode about eating and dieting for kids

@marstothestars33

Ай бұрын

Nickelodeon actually did have an episode of Doug where he goes to his grandma's house for the week and eats a lot. Soon after, he's invited to a pool party. Self-concious about his body, he also sees a weight loss ad and begins working out. Don't know if that was what you were meaning, but it's out there.

@DoubleADwarf

22 күн бұрын

We see it all the time, actually - girls get more attention for it because they're also expected to be attractive and thin; boys get a LOT more leeway; even if fat people in general are looked down on and mocked on a broader scale, the line for where "fat" starts is a LOT higher for boys than it is for girls. And that... kinda sucks, tbh. As a kid I got bullied _mercilessly_ for my weight, and now as an adult, people are like "no, you're really handsome, you should be more confident," and I get to explain to them that I mentally and physically CANNOT be confident because that was brutally crushed out of me at every possible opportunity by people calling me a fat, disgusting, unlovable pig. And having it suddenly turn around and be like "you're actually handsome now" just feels like you're being gaslit. Because you are, actually.

The PSA was removed because they don't exist anymore, and likely haven't for quite some time. The website is long since defunct and the phone lines are now for strictly for substance abuse and addiction.

Trying to tackle something serious in a TV Show and sometimes Movies isn't a terrible thing to do. It helps what most People are going through in real life.

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

I completely agree! That’s why I was so surprised about how they censored this episode! The part they cut out definitely could have been helpful to people who might be struggling with a similar problem irl. Thanks for being here, my friend! 😊

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

2 ай бұрын

@@DuskTillShawn No problem. And its like I said, trying to tackle something serious can still help People. Heck, I bet you can related to most TV and Movie Characters growing up.

@jeremyvanriper2876

2 ай бұрын

As long as as you give it the seriousness of the subject what it deserves

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

2 ай бұрын

@@jeremyvanriper2876 That's very true

Thats not a voulenteer that is their homeroom teacher, she actually becomes Patty's stepmom later.

@thebolas000

Ай бұрын

She was a volunteer at the track meet though. It even says "Volunteer" on her shirt.

@doujinloverXD

5 күн бұрын

@@thebolas000 yes bit she is so much more not just you know a random volunteer, I wanted to make sure we all know that this is a very important person in Patty's life hence why her words carry more weight.

@AmethystTheEspeon

Күн бұрын

​@@doujinloverXD I figured she had much more involvement with Patti than just a volunteer.

@doujinloverXD

Күн бұрын

@@AmethystTheEspeon yup by this point in the series sje had been dating Patty's dad for a while and honestly Patty loved having her around and was very happy when theu got married at the end of the series, so Miss Crystal standing up to the coach that was a mama bear moment.

I hate how they go from starving yourself to eating an entire pizza and icecream by yourself. shouldn't they be teaching kids that both will hurt your body?

Those phone numbers and Websites weren't edited out because of censorship. They were cut out because they're out dated. Those numbers and website address went defunct a long time ago. They remove resource numbers and web addresses from special episodes in rerun because some of those shows can be reshown many years later and the numbers are no longer helpful.

Doug and Ren & Stimpy was my introduction to Billy West. I love that guy!

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

He is such an amazing voice actor! I adore all of his work. Especially Futurama. In my opinion, his voice made that show! Him and John DiMaggio 😆

@MTTT19

2 ай бұрын

@@DuskTillShawn Indeed. I hope to meet him one day as not only he is my favourite voice actor, but Futurama is my favourite animated series. So far I have had the pleasure of meeting John DiMaggio and Phil LaMarr (the latter of who has used my art work to sign at Comic Cons). In a few months, I get to meet Katey Sagal!

@HandsomeSteveJacobson

2 ай бұрын

I got to meet Billy at a comic con he is really awesome

@lazysob1593

Ай бұрын

Why should Billy have to follow John K., especially since it was John's own fault that Nick fired him for constantly missing production deadlines?

Man, the ending of this episode just…. Didn’t scratch that itch. They could have wrapped it up so much better. I bet Nickelodeon’s Doug would have ended it perfectly, though… 🧐

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 100%. Honestly, I bet if this episode was made under Nickelodeon's umbrella, it would have been waaaaay different... Thanks for being here, friend!

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

That' so true.

This episode really hits home for me nowadays. Throughout most of my life I was fat and was often bullied for it. I tried going to the gym, but just could not commit. It wasn't until 2019 when I started taking it seriously. I ate less and exercised three times a day, and less than a year later, I had lost over 120 pounds. But this is where I went wrong. Afterwards, I became so hyper fixated on what I was eating, so much so that I refused to eat any sort of meat, junk food, etc. I kept losing weight, sure, but I also looked terrible. Another year passed and I had lost another 80 pounds, being only 142. But what frightened my family was how I looked. I looked like a skeleton with skin draped over it. I got dizzy easily and just felt way too light. After talking with my cousin who had gone through his own weight loss journey, I learned just how badly I had messed up. I'm 6'4, and according to him, my ideal weight should be around 209 to 219, not 142. I looked at myself in the mirror and realized this, and after that I began eating better while slowing down my exercise to only once a day. I'm still trying to balance out my diet, but I feel a million times better now. Weight loss isn't easy. It'll exhaust you, it'll test your patience, and it'll strain your body, but it's very much worth losing the weight. However, don't overdo it, because you could wind up like me and feel drained and weak rather than strong and energized.

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

Man I read that, I am really sorry what you went thought, but I am glad you got healthy and are doing good!

@AshXXMayftw

2 ай бұрын

@@user-sw6ni2tq6h Yeah, I was in big denial mode during that time. I thought because I was skinnier and lighter that I was doing good, but that was far from the truth. Luckily, I was able to recover pretty easily. Now it's just about finding a decent diet to go on. XD

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

Yes that's good, I am happy to read that, keep up the great work!

@Ammut6

2 ай бұрын

Well damn. I'm 6 foot and I only weigh about 150 pounds. o__o

@user-sw6ni2tq6h

2 ай бұрын

Yes, everyone is different! Just be you!

Is incredibly important to tackle difficult topics in cartoons. In fact I wish they did tackled harsher topics. This how a child can understand something isn't okay, even if they don't fully understand why Honestly, if parents arent comfortable talking about difficult topics with children, they shouldnt have children at all

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

THIS!!!! 100%. It’s important that shows tackle these kinds of issues in a way that can lead to a healthy conversation. As a dad, transparency with my kids is very important to me. I couldn’t agree more with all of your points. Thanks for watching, friend!

Okay KZread. I'll watch one of the dark Doug/Arnold video essays

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for being here! I genuinely appreciate it 😊

Patti, Connie left ALL her Weight in the Original Series. SHE LOST MORE WEIGHT THAN YOU

All I hear when Patty speaks now is Yoga Jones from Orange Is The New Black lol 😂

I strongly remember this episode due to the scene where Patty is using some escalators as treadmills. I dont really remember the episode in great detail or anything, i just remember trying to do that on an escalator myself and getting yelled at by a security guard.

@thebolas000

Ай бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only one that's happened to.

The weird thing is that Sleech twins who aren’t good looking were booing that girl on tv when they’re not even conventionally attractive themselves so there’s an element of sexism

@Neku628

2 ай бұрын

Their puppy was pretty cute though. I assume that was their puppy.

@clydefrosch

2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure they are very selfaware in that regard anyways. they're confident like martin in simpsons, they value intellect so high, they naturally assume that everyone else does too and thus, believe they're pretty far up on any metric

@homelesshannah50

2 ай бұрын

Ugly men always seem to be the BIGGEST judges of a woman's looks, cough Howard Stern cough

@Ahturos

2 ай бұрын

That´s how most people are sadly.

@TRENCHESandTREADS

Ай бұрын

It has nothing to do with sexism and it's ridiculous you went there with it. Lots of unattractive people do this, men and women both, it's kind of part of the human condition tbh. You don't think some fat girls have boo'd the ugly nerd character and cheered for the handsome jock?

Those phone numbers could be discontinued when the episode hit reruns

Waist away... omg that's the greatest weight loss pun I've ever heard.

I remember the show Arthur had a body-awareness episode. Arthur was pissed he was “husky sized!” 🤣🤣🤣

@HuskyDog88

2 ай бұрын

'Arthur Weighs In' from season 9, which is now banned from airing in reruns.

@iseekper5ection6

2 ай бұрын

@@HuskyDog88 really, why???

@Maspets

Ай бұрын

@@iseekper5ection6 If you've seen it you should know. If you have and are still asking why you're not too bright. You can read my article "We Need to Talk About The Body Shaming Episode of “Arthur”

I really like Doug back in the 90s. I really grateful that someone beside me want to talk about this important episode. It really should be watched.

After calling both numbers at the end of the episode I can see why its not there. Girl power just connects me to "The hottest place to chat with hot single girls" and the mental health Institute just told me that I can get a free Caribbean cruise if I answer some questions.

@lisazamrok8057

24 күн бұрын

lol I called it too and cracked up

Do you think they censored it out because those resources aren't live anymore? The URL is an AOL subdomain so I would say that's very likely. How long did it run in it's original form until it was altered?

Patty's father should have sued the coach

@oooh19

2 ай бұрын

But idk what suing the jerky coach would do though?

@misspinkpunkykat

2 ай бұрын

@@oooh19 Maybe get him fired and replaced with a coach who knew better not to push kids to their limits and encourage eating disorders. Patty's father should have taken her to a therapist as well.

@animegx45

2 ай бұрын

Can't solve all your problems by suing someone.

@alicedelgado955

2 ай бұрын

@@animegx45 the man was not qualified to be a coach. the adults clearly saw him egging on Patty after she collapsed. he should've been fired

@Chef_Alpo

Ай бұрын

​@alicedelgado955 losing your job is not the same as being taken to court. Yes he should have been fired but it doesn't take a lawsuit to make that happen, your response does not fit the person you were replying to

The irony of these weight loss fads, the models get surgery to help maintain that body. A good portion of them part does works out, but it’s due to working out since childhood. You are in control of your health, not what TV or internet says!

@bluefox8011

2 ай бұрын

this is too true, it's how you grew up and how you maintained your body up until adulthood that somewhat "shapes" your body in the future. It's overly complicated, but overthinking the process is definetely not good to think about either. intuitive eating could be more suggested as it's not a diet, your more listening to your bodies hunger cues, and what you really need vs what you want in the moment.

15:00, 16:45 - Coach Spitz should be fired. Fired immediately.

Does it not occur to you that they edited that part out because it was on rerun and they could not guarantee the contact details are still valid every time the episode gets replayed?

The first & I saw this episode mentioned on a “Top 10 kids shows that tackled serious issues” video

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

Woo! Thanks for being here early! 😊 Yeah, this one was definitely a standout episode as far as tackling serious issues goes!

@Whatisthisgremlin

2 ай бұрын

@@DuskTillShawn it’s no problem. I saw the notification as soon as my iPad turned on

Well I never thought I see anthropomorphic fat cells but here we are lol

maybe they removed the ending because the hotline no longer existed?

What about Doug’s weight episode in the nick version?

@akganimationstudioproducti3779

2 ай бұрын

Oh I remember that one

I was really taken aback by the old man at the start of weight loss advert I think that he is the most human looking character in the whole series of Doug

There's always a silly side plot that takes too much time away from the eating disorder so we can ignore the problem and laugh.

It's so insanely important for people, especially young ones to have access to support for these kinds of things. I'm almost 30 and I've struggled with BDD and eating disorders for as long as I can remember. I've been in therapy for it for a while now and it's helped tremendously, but even now I still relapse sometimes. It breaks my heart knowing that there are so many people going through the same thing and having no form of support. Super video as always, thanks for what you do :)

As someone who struggled with eating disorder for years. It can be overwhelming at times. I used to wear a watch eat something. I would go out get ready and not have breakfast. Go to out almost point of fainting. My co saw how skinny I have gotten. To the point you see ribs. I have gotten better 5 years stronger.

I remember this episode as a kid. It triggered my body insecurities as a kid. I knew it was this one. Glad you covered it. However, this is my absolute favourite Doug episode of all time.

American Dad also had a surprisingly accurate look on anorexia

Man, I haven't seen this episode in YEARS!! It was my favorite after the Christmas episode because it reminded me SO MUCH of 'Doug Tips the Scales', which I also always loved;) I always liked both versions of the show (and love Disney's theme music) because it's JUST like how 'Boy Meets World' changed from the first few seasons to the last few--complete with Doug freaking out over all of the changes EXACTLY like Cory:):)

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

Oh, man. I haven’t seen Boy Meets World in AGESSSS. Such a classic! 🤩

@jemofthe80s18

2 ай бұрын

​@@DuskTillShawnDouble high five! It's been my favorite practically FOREVER:):)

The episode were Doug was invited to the pool party after going to his grandma's house and gaining weight was better at tackling this issue. This episode was so mean spirited and didn't solve the problematic in the end.

a particularly sad thing is is as impossibly scummy as it is for the predatory ad right after the show was its a pretty real thing that happens, just normally its done much more subtly and pattys actions arent far off from how a lot of kids and teens react in those situations

It’s a shame they didn’t include that your body will cling to any fat it gets if you starve yourself my doctor told me that when I was frustrated I wasn’t losing weight

13:57 Patty logging that her spray contains 0g of fat reminds me of the 90's low fat craze when everyone thought low fat foods meant you wouldn't gain weight. I'm glad we learned from that and keep track of actual nutrition now. Also, those services weren't censored at the end, they have changed, so they were removed. The phone numbers are still around, but they connect you to different help centers. The AOL URL is dead and just goes to the AOL homepage.

The 90s and 2000s had a huge focus on encouraging kids to stay fit and healthy. I'm all for that and I really don't like that our society has practically turned obesity and eating disorders into a harmless lifestyle, but this episode could have done a better job of promoting a healthy message instead of saying "fat, bad."

@drawingdragon

Ай бұрын

That literally was not the theme of the episode wdym

The reason they could have gotten rid of the message at the end was probably because that organization might not be in service anymore.

BTW the volunteer was Ms. Crystal, their teacher and Patti’s future stepmom.

Man, all i can say is that i've been Listening to your vids in the background while i work on my computer and let me tell you, you make my shifts way smoother

I remember the Disney version Roger’s rich because phoebe’s dad needed to buy a plot of land Roger’s mom owned and she sold it to him for a small fortune

Emotional illiteracy is a serious problem.

The reason the ending about the mental health contacts was removed was that the numbers were no longer available as what they used to be when first shown.

The way Disney changed Connie's look completely from her original look on Nickelodeons Doug is very telling.

Thank you for posting the video. I vagely remember watching this episode when I was younger.

Well Connie was bit chubby on the Nickelodeon version of Doug

Something that took me completely off guard is that it wasn't magazines or the media that caused me to develop an ED... it was my doctor telling me I had high cholesterol...! Because the only instruction I got from my doctor was "Exercise more and eat healthier." Literally, that's all I was told. I had no knowledge whatsoever about nutrition, so my first instinct immediately was to restrict my eating and exercise a bunch. I lost weight so fast, and now I am constantly asking myself "Can I eat this or have I reached my limit for saturated fat today?" I slipped into that mindset out of pure fear that "if I don't lose weight and get my cholesterol down, I'll have a heart attack and die." Eating disorders can be born from all kinds of things. All that idea has to do is lead you toward obsessing over the food that you eat. It makes you literally afraid to eat. What's so funny to me (in a macabre way) is that gold sandwich necklace that Patty won as a "reminder of the food she used to eat." I have literally been in the grocery store, passed an aisle with my favorite cereal or something like that, and just about cried because I've convinced myself that I'm no longer "allowed" to have it. It really does seem like the "golden food" that you wish you could win back someday. I've been trying to re-learn how to let myself eat what I want to eat without being terrified of raising my cholesterol... It's a long, ongoing process, mostly because I can't see the results right away. I have no idea what my cholesterol numbers are until I get my blood drawn. So I can only guess and hope I'm not screwing up. That kind of "unknown" factor is terrifying. It's a terrible mindset to sink into and SO difficult to climb back out. Fear is such a powerful motivator/inhibitor...!

@lyndsaybrown8471

16 күн бұрын

That sucks. And only a portion of your cholesterol is controllable, it's mostly genetics. What an ass of a doctor, I hope you have a better one now.

I remember as a kid I didn't understand why this wasn't a Connie episode.

I've been disabled since early childhood so I've been fat my whole life because it's hard to exercise when all your joints hurt so I've been judged and overtly TORTURED for being fat, being disabled, and being a ginger. I was so targeted by my peers in middle school that the administration KICKED ME OUT and had me home schooled because, and I quote, "She's a distraction to the other students" because a dozen kids decided that dumping me out of my wheelchair and moving desks to make it so I couldn't get to my desk. Administration knew my mother was a mentally ill addict so they locked a disabled child in an apartment with an abusive parent and sent a teacher over once per month to collect my work. Orange Grove Middle School in Tucson was hell for me in the early 90's. I've been openly mocked by strangers as an adult and I've only been a shirt size XL and pant size 18 for 80% of my adult life so I'm still just slightly above American average. It's because of the combo of weight and needing crutches or a walker to get around. This country is so fucked up. Even in 2024 in the height of Woke horseshit it's still acceptable to ridicule and mock people that are ugly.

Hey just wanted to thank you for everything you do on this channel I recently lost a family member and your videos make me feel better. Keep up the good work❤

I remember this epidose thanks for you! Yeah... is a sad reality...

I LOST IT AT THE SPRAY CAN SANDWICH 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 What even is that?! 😂 Oh, but the episode was sad I agree.

I loved Doug. I also met Jim Jinkins once and found him to be a kind person. However, this episode scared the shit out of me as a kid and exacerbated what body/gender issues I already had.

Doug's original weight loss story wasn't as heavy handed

Weight should be spoken of in schools- but in a healthy manner. I struggled with my weight for years until, unfortunately I ended up having an absolutely horrible time with pancreatitis a few years back that actually shut down my digestive system for about a month. I physically had to stop eating for literally that whole month PLUS half of the next, strictly on a bland broth diet while my body recuperated. I dropped 60lbs in the first month and, although I felt fantastic after the fact- that was DEFINITELY not the way to do it. I know this is an entirely different side of the eating problem- but stuff like this really brings me to those worst months of my life because, literally as said by my doctor I had to do as he said or I would DIE. Even when I was finally given the go to, I was eating like Patty for a while. Nibbles of food the size of one baby carrot or peice of broccoli. I was constantly tired and miserable. Even though I had serious pros losing all that weight ((my dizzy spells turned out to be due to blood pressure because of my weight, heart palpations and back problems like sciatica and numbness in legs I had was now gone)) I do NOT EVER wish that on anyone- Seeing this it bothers me because they place it purely on visual appeal, which was and is still a big thing, rather than focus on actual health of an individual which would have also emphasized the balance of eating in a healthy manner. The lack of eating is not the answer- its intake and WHAT. The body does the rest. One of many things I wish school systems would actually look into for the well being of not just the overweight, but those given physical appearance issues.

I'm thinking that they may have removed the resources because they could be out of date (this is an episode that was first aired in 1997 after all. I don't know if more recent resources could be added retroactively but I think it would be good to do so since this is still a very relevant issue. The parent complaints or hesitancy to have the percieved uncomfortable convos with their kids could have been a factor as well. Who knows? Maybe there were a lot of calls from kids thinking they had the issue or just pranking. The PSA doesn't seem to encourage parental supervision when calling like others at the time. idk why I pinpointed the censor so much but there ya go. Great vid btw Shawn!

So excited to watch this while i get ready for work!

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

Yessssss!!! Thank you so much for watching, my friend!!! I hope you have a great day at work today 😊

That episode age like fine wine.

I can see that "censored" bit being taken out if/when the information provided became outdated, but that's about it.

Glad you’re talking about Doug I was wondering how you felt about Nickelodeon’s Doug I thought you weren’t born with that version of Doug and I’m glad you like that version of Doug I’m not alone nice video

@DuskTillShawn

2 ай бұрын

I love Doug. It’s a show that I feel like I haven’t given enough love to on this channel and I definitely want to dive into it more in the future. Doug may have premiered before I was born, but even as a young kid, it was clear to me that Nickelodeon’s Doug was LEAGUES better than Disney’s 😁 Thanks for being here, friend! I appreciate you!

@user-mb4pd4ou5i

2 ай бұрын

@@DuskTillShawn yes no problem we might not like every cartoon but I’m here with you for the rest of the cartoons we all grew up with can’t wait for your next cartoon video

@user-mb4pd4ou5i

2 ай бұрын

@@DuskTillShawn and then yeah I saw a couple of episodes of the Disney version of Doug yeah it was a little bit weird with the animation and the voice i can definitely understand how people feel though I try to be open minded as well too try to see both sides of it but I definitely get it too again I’m not alone yes love the original series

Another great video man I love watching your vids late at night makes it feel cozy

Personally, I thought it was a good message. Dont become obese, treat your body right but dont get carried away. Its a good message, especially for kids whose bodies are changing.

It’s crazy bc Connie was a bit “plus sized” in the Nickelodeon version. For her to be involved sends a different connotation.

"gray?! What country are you from??" Lmao Roger went from a bully to frenemy huh

Awesome video! I remembered watching this episode as a kid and I was quite surprised by how hardcore they got with discussing eating disorders in this episode.

Seeing this again, which I do remember bits and pieces of watching as a kid but not grasping what the concept was because I was so young, hits hard even today. Thank you for going over this one, I never realized it was controversial.

The only thing I can imagine for them pulling the number off the show, is if they decided they didn't want to edit it later rather than now if the number changed.

Wow, you managed to avoid Disney Channel for a long time until now.

I think what I like the most about it is that despite what she was doing she doesn't actually get portrayed as being thinner. When I struggled with ED I kept saying I obviously didn't really have an ed because i wasn't skeletal looking. But I was like Patty. Tired, fainting, counting calories to the extreme. The representation is so spot on.

I remember covering this episode back in high school when we were doing a project about mental disorders. It's... still so surreal how the episode came to be.