I wish Reckful was still alive to see the return of WOTLK :(

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Rip Reckful

Dunno - I think the great thing about Wrath is that all classes and most specs are very viable in PvP, with the only exceptions I can think of being Demo lock (since I mained one and it was my favorite class for PvE content, I know how mediocre it was in PvP) and Frostfire mages. All other classes and specs are viable. Fire and Arcane Mages have unique advantages (and ofc disadvantages) over Frost mages. Priests are very powerful (all specs), Druids, Hunters, Shamen... It all depends on comps, skills and ofc gear (and a bit of luck). The main issues I remember were pre-maids and simply being overwhelmed by much larger numbers of the opposing faction.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Dude that is like the best explanation of why wrath was amazing! Thanks for the thoughtful message!

@shtroizn

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids My pleasure. Thanks for the great content and for responding!

Wrath PVP is the best we have seen in classic so far super excited into get into the arena!

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yea wrath PVP is amazing!

@davidgarcia-rv3fs

Жыл бұрын

@helloworld yup !

@turdeemi

Жыл бұрын

@helloworld Hope they'll make the cata and mop. Never played PVP on these.

Let’s gooooo the last one was great can’t wait to see this one

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man yeah we are looking forward to share more content with you all.

wow. logged in just to comment, I was surprised I mistook this video for something Skill-Capped made in terms of quality. The Comeback Kids? Not a bad name! Subscribed, keep it up this was really well done

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Oh crap man thank you so much for the awesome content I really appreciate that!

In 3.3.5 Arms Warriors are probably the strongest class for 2v2 in my opinion. There is nothing more demolishing than a full-stacked armor penetration Arms Warrior with Shadowmourne and double dps trinkets ( which in Wotlk are completely broken). And if the insane amount of damage is not enough, they have -75% healing reduction ( Mortal Strike+Unrelenting Assault) which makes healers look like kids on their first day at school. It’s not a surprise that warriors were at the top teams of the 2v2 ladder in almost every realm.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Yes warriors will end the expansion on top I’m sure! Just might have a toughish beginning!

@junipersages

Жыл бұрын

Yup exactly, I'm surprised at the claims of "balance" because any class with Shadowmourne just destroyed people. Arms warriors were the most deadly

@JackoxelMAtrixo007

Жыл бұрын

this is why wrath arenas will suck everyone will just roll the top s+ combos and if you're trying to have fun you will get facerolled by a hpala + warr the expansion is ridiculous lol

@icebox1954

Жыл бұрын

@@junipersages You mean the weapon you get when Cata is already out? The weapon that makes classes good at the end of the game, making it a useless upgrade unless you want to play on a dead server? Yeah, awesome.

What a legend. Can’t wait to play with you!

@anthonyzarfati3579

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah skyy is such a legend YIKES

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, we’re all hopping into that FRESH SOON

Stop using other ppl content without mentioning the source. Its 5th time im seeing my content in other ppl videos. Im starting to strike from today. Really fed up.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hey sorry about that man, I will put a link to your channel, and tag you in this video!

@dhoff82

Жыл бұрын

What are ya going to strike I’m curious and how’s it been since the comment

@Qdawwg

Жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids you only did it after he asked? 🤔

@Bilbobaggins82242

Жыл бұрын

@@Qdawwg hard to fix a mistake before you do it, at least he did

Excited for fresh servers woohoo! 👽🐩🧡

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

FRESH is the way!

@apoc5412

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! Didn't play tbc classic cos there were no fresh realms. Wrath fresh is gonna be so gud!

most OP class in wotlk is the one who can clear all pve content for Overpowered trinkets and pve gear to mix with pvp gear.... or if you play Human as any class with double trinkets from pve.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes, that’s true those pve trinkets are disgusting huh?

@xXzittlaXx

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids they are for sure specially for shadow priest human is disqusting one of the most annyoing classes to deal with same goes for warlocks

Do u suggest ret pala and rogue for 2v2 ?

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

I mean it’s doable I guess but won’t be top tier!

I cant wait to bring my prot pally and blood dk into bgs and be an unkillable flag carrier

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hell yeah Ray lets gooooo

For my alt main I’m torn between DK or shadow priest. Sp seems like a cool option

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Shadow is NICE

Ive been told Destro is actually very bad this xpac (at least for PVE) is this true and its actually just good for PVP?

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much destro is mostly a pvp spec in wrath, however I do think it is pretty good during naxx! At the end of the day who knows what numbers are going to look like. Everyone said fury warriors and Arcane mages would suck in TBC and look how that turned out lol.

@kevinklutch

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids I didnt play much TBC but i enjoy crit gameplay but i feel like going fire mage is like "Oh yeah of course you went fire mage..." Always been a big fan of Chaos Bolt gameplay. Do you have a tier list for best crit classes?

What is that buff and debug add-on on hp bars

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Melvin, I have a whole video dedicated to my add ons coming out shortly!

@mellinu

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids ty

Unholy dk ftw!

Damn come on Skyy no love for my class!

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

We will get there more classes incoming!

The highest rated team in 2s was lumberjack Cleve warrior restrp druid. Cyclone made it better.

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Lumberjack cleave huh, I can see that

put some respect on the wotlk firemage, it was INSANE

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

It will be insane for sure!

Where to get this pplating addon ?

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Curse forge

@nogeneticboys

Жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids but how is it called

i was over 3k rating on 2 chars in wotlk and ret paladin and warrior or deathknight warrior/ret pala were just focking deleting 2v2 teams. It was so broken that it wasn't even fun anymore

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow 3k rated back in wrath huh, and on 2 classes yikes that would have made you the best player in the world back at that time.

Disc priest Trumps Holy pally every time, because MD

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Yes we will be covering other op specs in the next episode!

No mention of spriest? Gasp.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Oh don’t worry my main is Spriest we are going to make another episode of this!

Ret paladin is by no means OP class in WOTLK. entire rotation is based on big crits - 1, 2 , 3 combo. However once resilience kicks in your life will be full of torment. Don't get me wrong, there are some comps you can still play like 2vs2 ret/Rsham, ret/frost mage or ret/destro but you will struggle to reach high competitive ratings. first two seasons it will be nice, even during relentless gladiator there was a ret/rsham comp in 2s that achieved highest rating in world for a time (2850 if I am not wrong) but 3.3.5 was really bad for rets in PVP. This is all generally speaking and there are always "but" s and "if" s. so if you don't have experience with WOTLK PvP and aim for high ratings and competitive plays think twice when it comes to Ret

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Yeah your right

Anyone knows the nameplate that warlock is using? I've been looking for it everywhere

@TKGxCOD

2 жыл бұрын

His channel is Nibbai, he has a video with his addons,nameplates, ect

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Was about to say the same, good call!

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Was about to say the same, good call!

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

What Kooms said!

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

What Kooms said!

You forgot Afflic and Resto Druid

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry this series isn’t over!

Replace ele shaman with lock and frost mage with marks hunter. Trust me don't sleep on hunter they are top 5 hands down. Great quality on video BTW:)

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, and there’s no real order on this it’s just op specs. I feel like more so then vanilla and tbc every class seems good, so we will do more videos like this one!

@jasonu3741

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids If i see a Vid saying Arms War OP Hpal OP Ret Pal OP Ele Sham OP Marks Hunter OP Frost mage OP Destro/aff Lock OP Sub Rogue OP at a certain point what are we really saying? DK/Druid/Priest are not OP EVERYONE ELSE IS?

I want to say 2v2 destro and retri pala is very good comp

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

I can see that! Will for sure be checking that one out!

Unpopular opinion Fury warrior is pretty amazing in PVP if built correctly

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

I think you could be correct, I also think by late wrath they will simply just do way more damage then anyone can handle!

@klonzoll3920

2 жыл бұрын

And what is the correct build?

@RAZORlukic

2 жыл бұрын

@@klonzoll3920 Can't really tell you atm, haven't played wrath in a long time, but I was a fury only player. Basically the moment you hit something like 5.2k gs you could basically beat even the Shadowmourne wielding ret Paly's. I'm currently getting back into WOTLK so I'll let you know if I strike gold with my build again.

@klonzoll3920

2 жыл бұрын

@@RAZORlukic hahah man nice jokes

@turdeemi

Жыл бұрын

@@klonzoll3920 Every spec can be viable so maybe hes not joking :D Im actually gonna test demo lock in wotlk

What is with feral instant heals and clone? xD oh okay no need this spell in arena and duels

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

That feral boy!

surge deathblade is cool

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

A lost ark player I see

Where is the feral?

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

In stealth;)

Frost Mage+Disco Priest Fight me.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a really good comp let me tell you

Pally has hand in tbc

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Well that’s true actually

You Forget King of PvP MM Hunter ^^

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Ooof big true problem is that’s one of my favorite classes. Got to keep it on the DL

Its funny that more than 50% of classes are op in your opinion

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

That’s the point isn’t it!

Unholy DK is still my fave in PVP.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Unholy SLAPS!

Prot Warrior is the superior warrior spec in Wrath. Better burst than Arms/Fury all while having a better tool kit with silences, stuns, dispel. Definitely think Prot Warrior is one of the most OP PvP specializations with BiS gear and when played right in Wrath.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hey I most certainly remember Swifty destroying people as prot!

@monsieurjovan

2 жыл бұрын

They are definitely strong with full Arp and when played correctly. However they lack MS which makes them way less competitive in high rated Arena. Still a very fun spec though :)

@WhatIfTheories

2 жыл бұрын

@@monsieurjovan Some of the highest ranked teams in Wrath had Prot's on them at 3k+ rating. Many played African Turtle Cleave so Prot doesn't need MS and can be stronger due to it's Shield Slam dispel. This is also why Man cleave is popular because Arms will MS while Prot will dispel bubbles, hots and buffs creating insane pressure on Resto/Disc. If Prot had MS instead of Dispel it wouldn't be as strong. So I feel it fits better into comps with it's tool kit and burst. People forget how badly Prot's dispel counters healers and many comps.

@atokadreginsneb6635

Жыл бұрын

@@WhatIfTheories bro you clearly never seen Albino Wino Armadillo Brillo Green Moosde Guava Juice Cleave...it was S++++ super inception literal god meta

Combat pvp was some serious scary thing at wotlk

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I think Combat is going to be a sleeper spec in pvp!

most broken class is death knight

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you could be right!

@turdeemi

Жыл бұрын

No1 mentions DK and its super OP. It's weird

Affli wlock is stronger than destro in most scenarios. Actually, there's very few comps where destro shines, i'd say its below average. Ofc, you can kill ppls in BGs with big crits, but you can do it with any class-spec combo. Ret pala is good, but not OP. Sub rogs are just good, same for frost mages. I'd agree, Awars (*ONLY* in last patches of WOTLK, with PVE gear), Hpalas and are clearly OP. The other classes-spec is... Dunno, maybe elems (not in 2s tho) So it makes 3 clearly OP class-spec combos. Maybe MM (last patches, pve gear), Unholy and ret\preg palas are little bit above average, but I wouldn't call em OP.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hey man thanks for the well thought out video, do you play warmane?

@IsraelOrder1

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone I know as warlocks are telling shits about affli calling this spec a dummy who just can be tunneled by any melee (not only melee) and works too bad on all main wotlk servers to be playable. And I saw that on a 2500-3200+ there is exactly destro realy successful and effective spec. In wich scenarios affly will perform better than destro?

@IsraelOrder1

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrmakarov2368 in 3s but especially in SoloQ affli can really perform great coz of insane multidot pressure in different varieties of shadow cleave (udky affli hpala, sp affli hpala, udky affli dp), but in 2s it is not good enough to gain maximum rating. It is useful only in sniping some comps. Even wlock rdru with destro can be better coz of more versatility.

@valaquenta220

2 жыл бұрын

destro is great in 2v2 and 3v3 with the right comps, I think you're wrong in that.

@dannyop123

2 жыл бұрын

Depends what are you watching. In arenas Unholy is above average with insane aoe and disrupting healers like priests and insane anti magic kit. In duels, he is least countered class which means only good paladin with same skill can defeat Unholy DK. DK is most OP class in Wotlk. , but arena wise HPal and Ele Sham can be putted above, same for warrior but in Premade, warriors need dispels otherwise he is useless

End game prot warrior can 2 shot every one in game

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Yikesssssss yeah they can!

an average Arcane Mage delete all of this specs in that video ez.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

So you are saying you are an arcane mage main huh!

No ele sham? You're trolling

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Ele shaman was part one of this video!

@newwavesnippets

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids Oh, gotcha. I was like no way he did not include this in a top 5 pvp spec's lmao

@anthonyzarfati3579

2 жыл бұрын

@@newwavesnippets yea I thought the same lol!

I love how you didn't mention any of the truly broken specs......

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, we’re doing this as a series and will be talking about more of the broken specs soon!

@Allan-ce2nv

2 жыл бұрын

don’t be shy tell us what they are

Idk about this top list, Dk is not even here and most OP class is Holy Paladin??, Disc Priest is a lil bit stronger

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Hey Edisson, this is a series watch part 2!

I cant believe that you are talking about Op classes in Wotlk and you didnt even mentioned Unholy Dk, but you put 2 casters on your list.. Im not saying that they are not good, but for the people who play this game for more then a decade including myself .. We all know that DK is absolute CASTERS Nightmare .. And ofc not only for them. UDK is for sure one of the best classes if not the most powerful in that expanssion. For me the video is ok.. like on informative stand point, but other then that ... The topic is off point.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Check out part 2! Youll be really happy to see it!

@helef723

2 жыл бұрын

Dk is not that powerful, no good arena comps look at warmane top50 2s comps, sorry but no DK, dk is good but for duels,

@bartoszbednarczyk928

Жыл бұрын

@@helef723 lol, how about uh dk + holy pal?

@helef723

Жыл бұрын

@@bartoszbednarczyk928 znajdz taki comp w top 50 na warmane. Niema ich bo za duzo osob ich bije

SHHHtrongest PvP....

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah brother

mm hunter > destro lock

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Well ok

So this is what it looks like when someone thinks they know what they're talking about.. LOL

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Hey DM would love to know what your opinions are!

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Would love to hear some of your different opinions to talk about some of the things you feel differently about

rogue top of the list most op

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

True

haha you have no idea what are you talking about, where is your death knight? is top 3 pvp

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Hey what’s up Zabixxx, this video is in no particular order, and is meant to be a series. Watch part 2 Death Knight is there!

You lost most real pvpers when you said Ret pally is OP lol. It's pretty clear you've never pvped at a high level.

@TheComebackKids

Жыл бұрын

Hey Vizual, how are you man! I do respect your opinion and I’m assuming you didn’t watch the whole video or series to understand what these videos are.

@Vizual_Racing

Жыл бұрын

@@TheComebackKids I did in fact watch the entire video. You titled the video "the most broken pvp specializations in wotlk classic". You went on to list multiple specs that are not only NOT broken, but rather bad. Click bait title is very click baity.

Where is Preg Paladins? The 4th and the best PvP spec of Paladins Where is the Spellnahement? A Melee chaman with more dps and survival than a regular one. Wtf rogues OP?? In LK??? The most useless class in high end. Nobody wants rogues in high rating or in their teams.

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

We are going to be doing more videos in this series for sure! I take it your a warmane player?

@anthonyzarfati3579

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yikes, how many years have you been playing wrath on private servers?

@qcdoomqc

2 жыл бұрын

Tell me you’re a Warmane player without telling me you’re a Warmane player.

@ElduCraft

2 жыл бұрын

Rogue is insane in wrath 🐒

@qcdoomqc

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElduCraft everything is insane in wrath bro

ARMS WARRIOR GO BRRRRRRRRRR

@TheComebackKids

2 жыл бұрын

Arms is SCARY!