Yes, Thomas is telling the truth but in his own documentary he said that he didn't like how MJ took over his city of Chicago while the fans were booing him whenever they played in Chicago. He also said the straw that broke the camel back is when, at the time, Aunt and his little nephew came to visit him in Detroit back in the 80's he was wearing a red bulls #23 jersey and he made him take it off. Isaiah in his own words said the rivalry became personal to him after that.

@tanyajackson9444

Жыл бұрын

I saw him saying the same kind of things he also said stuff like that to Dwade and other players who grew up hating him from Chicago

@faronanderson2536

Жыл бұрын

Taj I can agree with that 💯 %.I'm glad I found your comment because I'm sure I heard somewhere Isaiah was jealous of MJ becoming a hero in Isaiah's home town of Chicago.This is where the real beef started !!!

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

Yeah maybe. But Zeek is 46-19 all time vs Jordan and Thomas is only one year older than MJ. Thomas also dominated the bulls all Tim in the playoffs and Thomas didn't have a "Pippin" for a sidekick either. Thomas is due his props.

@exclamationpointman3852

Жыл бұрын

Correct. Both of them are fuzzing facts. But either way: they need to get OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@exclamationpointman3852

Жыл бұрын

@Clay you know what...... After all these years, accolades that our guy Mike and the Bulls have accomplished, global fame, and on and on...... something deep inside.....STILL THINK....that the Pistons are going to come back and WIN THE GAME!!!! I remember every year, every freaking year, the Bulls would play great, play hard; but in some way, home how, Zeke and Dumars and Laimbeer would be wide open at the three point line....and next thing you know, that 9 point lead the Bulls had, was GONE!!!!!!! They did that over and over and over and over......it STILL feel like we can't make it past the Pistons!!!!.....

One of the few beefs that's been going on longer than 50 vs Ja Rule 🤣🤣

@dsanchez9703

Жыл бұрын

😁😅

@TheYellowBrickRoadTV

Жыл бұрын

Real shit my nigga lol

@Thenotfunnyperson

Жыл бұрын

If you try to play dirty basketball and lose to the goat. Then don't shake his hand....

@johnwebb2442

Жыл бұрын

Facts.

Life is too short. Bury the hatchet and move on. These 2 are old men now. Just let go and make peace.

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@dudespin - I think that would be hard to do if you're Thomas. He won HS state championships. College Championship, and 2 NBA Titles against everyone on that "dream team" including Jordan and Pippen. Never got a shot an Olympic gold medal just because Jordan is a bitch and didn't want him on the team. I don't know if I could bury the hatchet. Honestly I don't think I could.

watch that All Star game... no freezeout... LOL

@Scott-px6mi

Жыл бұрын

Thank u

They are both lying. Isaiah did freeze MJ out, and MJ did conspire to keep Isaish off the Dream Team. Neither one wants to own their shit.

@GABEMOORE533

Жыл бұрын

REAL TALK .>🎤 😡🗑️

@GHOST91141

Жыл бұрын

🤣 facts

@TA-ht4jo

Жыл бұрын

Nobody wanted Isiah on the team. Why does MJ get all the flack?

@philipmanlangitjr.8201

Жыл бұрын

@@TA-ht4jo even his coach chuck daly doesn't want him lol 🤣

@lekkerje23

Жыл бұрын

Nah…Jordan just wants to take the more cordial approach. Being harsh about it on camera isn’t a good play. He at least thinks a bit instead of blowing it like Isaiah. When Bill Lameass got up to walk out before the buzzer, Isaiah should’ve stayed his ass on that bench. But he joined the fools and cowled as he passed by. Big mistake that destroyed his already diminishing image. Karma did it’s thing a here he is all but hurt while M.J. is killing it at the game of life.

People throw Jordan on this pedestal because of his talent. The man stopped talking to Charles Barkley because he said the Hornets were doing poorly under his ownership, and they were. The fact that no forgiveness exists in Jordan's world is problematic, no matter how talented. It's been almost 30 years.

@christopherlambert1711

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Gore, I don't know how old you are (most of the time with age comes experience). You CAN totally forgive someone, and absolutely NEVER have anything to do with them, ever. It is totally possible that he HAS forgiven these people. Make sure YOU forgive. Repent and be baptized (go down in water) in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and receive the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues. Save yourself.

@kntfhvn

Жыл бұрын

what can u do he's a grown man with a lotta money. I'd burn bridges and won't give a damn if i were in mj's position. it is what it is it's not like he has to make ammends with isiah. we the fans are the only ones making this a huge issue.

@jrsmith1998

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherlambert1711 No. In the ñame of the Father; Son; and the Holy Ghost. That’s how u go down.

@AbleAnderson

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree, very well said

@jackchueh1231

Жыл бұрын

He’s an asshole…but a great athlete.

Can we just see them in a boxing ring already?🤣🤣🤣🤣lol

IT beat Jordan three times but it made Jordan stronger and better. IT lost once to Jordan and he lost everything. Jordan got the better end of their lives and career

@paintb0x

Жыл бұрын

Of course Jordan had the better career but don't discredit IT because of that. He almost had a threepeat during the toughest era of the nba.

@apex_prowler95

Жыл бұрын

Most asinine comment of all time.

@TheAliisawesome

Жыл бұрын

@@apex_prowler95 I agree that the better end of their “life” part was out of pocket. But he isn’t lying, nothing foolish about saying MJ having a better career than Zeke. I feel a little bad for Zeke now, even at the top 75 players ceremony. Magic and MJ were laughing having a good time at the expense of Zeke.

Isaiah has changed his story so much on all of this, while Mj has stayed consistent. Not hard to see who’s telling the truth

@FeIix_the_Cat

Жыл бұрын

They're both childish. Jordan claimed in the filming of the Last Dance he had no involvement with Isaiah being off the dream team which via the recording in the video that was complete lie. It's all petty, irrational, and messy.

@jerrysmooth24

Жыл бұрын

@@FeIix_the_Cat Jordan wasnt the only one magic and larry didnt want isiah either just jordan bulked up and smacked them in the playoffs so everyone blames him

@Von.NorthEnd

Жыл бұрын

Jordan lied too to protect his image. They both being petty tho.

@mg19cal

Жыл бұрын

Isiah, not Isaiah

@curly7452

Жыл бұрын

@@mg19cal you’re the kind of person people dislike

Ironically they played well together in every all star game if they both got selected. Back door cut or alley-oop they can easily brake the defense from the opponents.

@OmarButta

Жыл бұрын

You should make a yt highlight of that. Will be awesome to see that

@j.smoov7220

Жыл бұрын

Almost every all star game. Of course not the 1st 1985 (freeze out). Other than that, you're right they did play well together.

@silewis9396

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment, I've been back to watch some of thise all star games and both seemed to have great chemistry on the court. It all seems so odd

Grown men being petty isn't a pleasant thing to see.

@2ndEzra

4 ай бұрын

Grown Men being petty has started world wars .

Freeze out game was a myth. Jordan wasn't frozen out. Even in later all star games...Isaiah was throwing Jordan sick ass lobs and dimes all game. Jordan creates lies to fuel himself to be better.

@Scott-px6mi

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know why these crazy bulls fans can’t see that. Anybody with eyes can see Zeke was dimming Jordan all game.

@billybadass3056

Жыл бұрын

@@Scott-px6mi dude, fans of Jeff are D.A. Idol Worshipers and that's the bottom line....

@Scott-px6mi

Жыл бұрын

@@billybadass3056 Cold Facts

@Chevyboiz

Жыл бұрын

I'm from Chicago and raised in Detroit. Forget who lied about something from the 80's and 90's....i wanna see them shake hands and move on they both greats! Y'all on here arguing over two rich men like y'all was around them.... Niggas weird as hell on KZread 😂😂😂. Fuck all that.... Let's shake hands and move tf on that's the only argument I'll put up instead of being a fake keyboard drama diva! Man up

@realmusicentertainmentcompany

Жыл бұрын

Just like Shaq created lies about David Robinson

Zeke mightve looked Jordan off a couple times but Some of the other guys along with DrJ seem like they froze Mike out some what more. Zeke actually did his job by leading the offense and getting everyone involved.

@darrelljones3965

Жыл бұрын

Right

@kennycooper294

Жыл бұрын

i can believe some of the older players freezed him out because of the hype he may have been getting as a rookie. look what they did to shaq in the allstar game by double teaming him

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

Жыл бұрын

You are forgetting that when the Pistons we're feloniously assaulting the Bulls, Isaiah was not the one throwing hands. He was the warlord who gave the orders. Quinn Buckner has said this about the violent assaults by the Pistons- "Ya hated Isaiah but he really didn't do anything." Mix in some resentment from other veterans-- and voila!! You have it...same as in Detroit...pulling strings and getting others to do his evil bidding. Most agree something went on in that All-star game. But anyone who alleges any degree of freeze out is naive if they do not believe or understand that Isaiah was behind it all.

@dennisking3638

Жыл бұрын

FACTS

@carlwallace1129

Жыл бұрын

@The Esquire of Sports ® facts

Jordan and Thomas will never like each other. And that’s ok!!! That’s what a true rivalry is all about. All these cake eater/soft serve ice cream players today wouldn’t know anything about that.

@Bballhero123

Жыл бұрын

hating eachother on the court is cool, but off the court? and 30 years later when they both old as shit? c'mon , they gotta grow up.

Isiah great player and was jealous MJ had the town, Chicago loved him and it's been bad blood btw the two ever since

@ericbassett6389

Жыл бұрын

Exactly right thanks for the truth!!!!!

@AvidUTuber

Жыл бұрын

Too bad Bulls didn't love MJ back as they laughed in his face when he asked to buy a % of the team.

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@Zeke - Thomas is also only one year older than Jordan and Thomas is 46-19 all time vs. the Jordan/Pippen Bulls.

@ericbassett6389

Жыл бұрын

@@clay9333 ringsssssss

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@@ericbassett6389 Jordan is the GOAT. No doubt. But he's a little bitch. He doesn't like Thomas because Thomas dominated the Bulls while Thomas was in the league. And all Jordan would say is that Thomas was an "un-deserving champion". And Thomas didn't have a Pippen.

Jordan is a liar but no one calls him out even in the documentary he would make stuff up just to get him fire up against other teams he did the same thing when that bullets young player went off against the bulls then he started lying that the guy disrespected him I believe Thomas 100 percent correct

@oleggold

Жыл бұрын

Or, a super star wanted to get at a rookie who was a super star in the making, and later envied him for being a super star in his home town.

@bothen3605

Жыл бұрын

@@oleggold nah bruh you can fall For his bullshit not me 🤷‍♂️

Watching the 1985 All Star Game MJ was definitely NOT Frozen out of that game. Isaiah passed him the ball numerous times along with other players on the team, and Jordan either didn't shoot or just missed the shots...MJ didn't perform up to par watch the 85 All Star game for yourself, it is still on KZread

@realmusicentertainmentcompany

Жыл бұрын

Facts!!!

@kaspafischer

Жыл бұрын

Ikr?

@marcusjones2550

Жыл бұрын

True, Jordan shot 2/9. For a rookie in an ASG, 9 shots is fair. Had he gone 6/9 with roughly 12-14 points, then there wouldn’t be as big an issue.

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! The freeze out was totally in Jordan's imagination. All you have to do is watch it. That argument is absolute nonsense and total bullshit from Jordan. Thomas didn't even play in the second half. Lol!

@snakeplissken7671

Жыл бұрын

Bro. . .you're full of crap. Since that game is on youtube right now, you realize anyone can go watch it to see that you're lying? Thomas almost never passes MJ the ball throughout the entire game (maybe three times in total, not including taking the ball out), but passes to Bird and Dr. J multiple dozens of times. He repeatedly ignores a wide open MJ to force passes into to Dr. J or Bird instead or just jacks up a shot even when MJ's open with a good line to slash to the basket. Bird ignores a wide open MJ no more than 6 feet from him to throw an awkward sloppy lob pass cross-court to a 25% 3pt shooter instead. The only times he is passed the ball before Thomas is subbed out are: Once, into a totally dead, unmoving offense that was clogging every driving lane with zero movement (thank Bird and Dr. J for that one), and once probably purely only by instinct on a trailing fast break play that Thomas didn't have time to think about not passing in. Immediately after Thomas is subbed out, Jordan is passed the ball on the very first play by the new PG and gets a decent opportunity to score for the first time that night. When Jordan comes back in the game, Isiah goes right back to ignoring MJ and in begins to chuck shots any time he can't pass to Bird or Dr. J even when Jordan's open. As for Jordan "not shooting". . .passing the ball to open teammates instead of chucking is a good thing, not bad. Jordan was trying to make plays for teammates, including getting assists to Bird and Thomas or getting them FTAs. Jordan actually performed well despite having barely anyone work with him on offense. Lots of rebounds including 3 offensive, good defense, lots of steals. Barely got any shot attempts other than ones he gave himself off said offensive rebounds or steals.

Thomas is a very poor sport, I watched that game when the Bulls took the broom to their ass and all he did was hang his head like a child and walk off. I was so glad to see the Bulls get passed them after all the times Detroit beat them.

@BrentHector

Жыл бұрын

And what the Celtics(Bird) do when the Pistons finally beat them to advance to the finals? MJ was talking smack off the court the night before and made very personal and disparaging comments about the Piston players, the Piston organization and the city of Detriot.

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@Kevin Townsend - Before that game, Jordan told that national media that Thomas was an "undeserving champion" and "bad for basketball". That's after Thomas had been kicking the bulls ass for years. Jordan didn't offer any respect. Thomas didn't give Jordan any respect back either.

@twhite3850

Жыл бұрын

If Thomas was a poor sport, then Jordan was too. Jordan is a petulant baby, who declares that he hates Isiah until this day. He kept another Black man off of the Olympic Team. I would say that Jordan is actually a poorer sport.

@kevintownsend3840

Жыл бұрын

@@twhite3850 Wrong Jordan had zero to do with Isaiah not being o. The Olympic team it was his buddy Magic. Because he knew the chemistry wouldn't be the same with Zeke on that team.

@kevintownsend3840

Жыл бұрын

@@clay9333 True I guess when you have a team full of guys who kinda bullied and fouled their way to the championship.

Juanita Jordan of Chicago

@realmusicentertainmentcompany

Жыл бұрын

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

They're in their sixties, and still beefing.

"...1985 All-Star Game. Thomas was clearly denying Jordan the ball throughout the event." BULLSHIT!! Anyone who says that is just repeating stories they heard and clearly didn't watch the game.

@sactownsteelers6748

Жыл бұрын

How was Jordan being denied the ball by anyone he was such a A hole he wouldnt stand for it and would of let it be known. Jordan is a lier him and magic jordan got butt hurt when thomas and the pistons walked off the court. Ane magic and thomas were beefing at the time and its funny how they blame it on a guy who is dead now jordan held grudges and you watch the last dance and you see what type of A hole jordan was to people thinking he was god

It's funny how everybody forgets that Jordan badmouth the Pistons championships the day before they eliminated the Pistons because of that there's no way in hell I shake his hand if I was on the Pistons

@twhite3850

Жыл бұрын

Brian, you speak the truth!

@prezlamenprah1164

Жыл бұрын

After years of beating (i mean real beating) i would chop their limbs after the game with axe probably..

@BrentHector

Жыл бұрын

I was now coming to post that!

@reneemcfall2953

Жыл бұрын

Did you see how bad they was beating up that man?

@BrentHector

Жыл бұрын

@@reneemcfall2953 kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5OO2s1xqZbFpaw.html That is how the NBA was back then, how the game was played. In fact, Zeke was the recipient of not one, but the bloodiest foul. One from Karl Malone and the other against MJ's Bulls at the hands of Bill Cartwright. I know ESPN and Fox etc don't really cover that era or selectively cover the era, limited to the 6 times MJ won a title. No one shooks hands and was all smiles after the baton was passed, Celtics walked off on Pistons BEFORE the game ended in which Piston finally beat the Celtics to advance to the NBA finals. Fouls were hard, teams had enforcers and trash talk ON THE COURT was allowed

For all in the comments who wasn't around in the 90s Jordan didn't start the rumor he heard about it from others

@rodsutton5458

Жыл бұрын

Factz!!!

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense. There was no freeze out. Zeek passed him the ball several times in the first half and then didn't even play in the second half. That's all just more of Jordans bullshit. Facts are that Zeek dominated the bulls 46-19 all time and took two rings from MJ. Also dominated the bulls in the playoffs all time and Zeek is the only guy to take anything from MJ and not kiss his shoes. Zeek is also only 1 yr older than MJ. Thomas didn't have a Pippin or a Worthy or a Kareem or a McNale or Parrish or a Malone as a "sidekick. That's why MJ is such a continual bitch about Thomas. All facts. Thomas deserves his proper respect.

@sonnyallagonez5776

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Straight Facts Bruh!

@jonoak

Жыл бұрын

@Kevin Joe Fo that's not why Mike not letting it go Thomas was try to end Mike career dummy...I lost a best friend for three same shit...an he was the biggest bad boy piston fan you know how many times I had to tell that fool its just a game!

@jonoak

Жыл бұрын

@Kevin Joe Fo find some business Karen I mean kevin!😂

Jordan played against Isiah in Summer of 84 (Team USA vs Pros), and also earlier in his rookie season. The elevator wasnr his first time seeing Isiah lol.

@blanketstarry7725

Жыл бұрын

He said it was the first time he met him, not see him.

@mongoslade277

Жыл бұрын

@@blanketstarry7725 Jordan "met" Isiah when the 84 Olympic Team played against the NBA all stars and beat them in Phoenix. Isiah coach in college was Bobby Knight who coached the 1984 Olympic Team. Jordan is a known liar. You can't take him for his word

@blanketstarry7725

Жыл бұрын

@@mongoslade277 There is a difference between met and played against, or even shake hands walking through a line. If I was to say I met someone, I would mean that I had a personal interaction with them, at least. Being in a room with them, or playing against them in a team sport is something I would never use the term "met" for. Jordan being a known liar is very debatable. It is things like this "met" incident that haters will call him a liar. I could just as easily say (easier I think) that Isaiah is a known liar.

@mongoslade277

Жыл бұрын

Bobby Knight introduced Jordan to Isiah before the game. Bobby Knight told Isiah "this one is a little different now" talking about Jordan and Jordan laughed at that. Michael Jordan is delusional. He implants stuff in his mind to motivate himself, whether its untrue or not

@blanketstarry7725

Жыл бұрын

@@mongoslade277 Where can I find information about that meeting? I can't find reference to it.

They're acting like a bunch of high school kids, they need to cut it out.

Isiah has always been complimentary and objective in earlier interviews and commentary where Jordan was concerned. His only transgression was not shaking hands at the end of the ECF.

@joshuastinson4642

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Everyone paints a bullshit narrative about isiah towards Jordan but he has consistently been complimentary

@TheHardRunner

Жыл бұрын

Right and get over it already. It was a humbling loss and he didn't handle it perfect. OK, it's over, dang. Boston did it to the Pistons in 1988, they even left before the free throws were done (except McHale, but Thomas had to grab him). But MJ cancelling him from Olympics is the height of petty.

@seancrowley3142

Жыл бұрын

…that and the the countless times the Pistons literally and figuratively beat the Bulls ass. It’s all good though. Jordan became a better player because of it. I miss real rivalry in sports. Now everyone wants to be friends and kiss each other’s asses. FOH!😡

@seancrowley3142

Жыл бұрын

@@TheHardRunner nothing wrong with what the Celtics did, and nothing wrong with what the Pistons did either. Btw, it wasn’t just Jordan who didn’t like Thomas and the Pistons. Magic and Bird didn’t care much for them either. In my opinion, Thomas and Magic had some sort of sexual tension…

@cudackedees3327

Жыл бұрын

he is the first one to point out the pad on the bott of the clear ankel breaker crossover as a push off.

Imagine Michael Jordan,Scottie Pippen,Bill Laimbeer and Isiah Thomas singing he's a jolly good fellow together

@rodsutton5458

Жыл бұрын

Pip always praised MJ … Accountability is HUGE in life and it’s sad when ppl don’t wanna take it

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

Жыл бұрын

...for he's a jolly good fellow!!!😂🤣😂 CLASSIC...and it could have happened. I guess ol' Chuck Daly had a rough go of it at the end... Alzheimer's, dementia, and CTE from all those brawls, fisticuffs, and over the top battle royals, the bitch boys, I mean "bad boys" had with other teams. With so much written about how respectful and cordial Chuck and Mike were, I could see old and sick Chuck in hospital or rehab celebrating a birthday, and maybe Jordan along with Salley swing by and sing it...But make no mistake about it Isaiah and Laimbeer wanted Jordan dead. They would have crashed the car on the way to the place to cover up Jordan's murder. Pippen would have gracefully declined due to migraine headaches.

@gew2027

Жыл бұрын

It would be a dishonor to Zeke and laimbeer .

Jordan don't Isiah because Isiah dominated him. In the regular season and the playoffs Jordan has a losing record to him.

@w.davidholland7228

Жыл бұрын

It's because the Pistons were the dirtiest team in the NBA. Jordan outperformed Thomas . Thomas didn't play better offensively or definitely. The only individual thing he had over MJ was assists literally.

As someone that has followed the NBA since the 80s, I can say beyond any doubt Thomas is saying the truth. He got snubbed from the Dream Team. With no disrespect but when a college kid makes the team and you´re one of the best PGs in the league, something happened there. But, I don´t agree it was just because of MJs, at that time, more than half the team had some sort of issues with Thomas and it was a "management" decision. If we go back to the films now, Thomas´s relationship with the "top guns" of that team was in question: Magic, Bird, Malone, Barkley, Pippen, and of course MJ.

@jerrods7223

Жыл бұрын

A college kid HAD to make the squad according to the rules then. Thus giving 2 time all American Christian Laetner the honor.

@mpound97

Жыл бұрын

@@jerrods7223 People just talking and don't know anything...

Everybody knew back then that isiah thomas was Chicago's prodigal son. "The kid who left and made good. That is until Jordan showed up on draft night in 1984. He literally took Chicago from Isiah thomas and never gave it back. I can see how thomas would hold such a grudge towards jordan. Hell, i would too!

@paintb0x

Жыл бұрын

Jealousy will ruin you

@kyokonkyochin3648

Жыл бұрын

You were born in 95 and probably not even from Chicago

@bignardo95

Жыл бұрын

@@kyokonkyochin3648 nah homie. I watched jordan play at UNC before thr nba. Don't jave to befrom the chi to remember why isiah thomas really disliked jordan. I remember the stories about isiah's moms holding him down and keeping him out of the neighborhood gangs so he could make it out. I remember isiah getting booed by the chicago crowd once michael jordan became Air Jordan. Lol...that broke isiah's heart and he never got over that. He actually played a big part in the creation of "the jordan rules" to rough jordan up and get his licks in. He definitely tried to shut jordan out of his 1st all star game. All of this is facts. You're the one probably born in the 90s bruh.

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@bignardo95 - Thomas is only one year older than Jordan and was 46-19 vs. the Bulls in his career. I think the one with the Grudge is Jordan. Lol!!!

@kyokonkyochin3648

Жыл бұрын

@@clay9333 Exactly! This dumb bigretardo was born in 1995 and thinks he knows whats going on because of youtube🙄

Everyone forgets MJ went on the record to say the game of basketball would be better without the pistons. That is why the pistons did not shake hands. The Pistons are the only ones that didn’t bow down to MJ….. that’s why to this day, he still takes it personally

@TheKeepItRealNetwork

Жыл бұрын

I mean they was knocking these dudes around like they was playing football?

@mrbattle2013

Жыл бұрын

yes lets pretend the pistons not dirty players

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@deadsoundradio - Correct. Also Jordan told the national sports media that Thomas was an un-deserving champion right before the walk off game.

@deadsoundradio

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbattle2013 Of course they were rough. No argument, but Lets not single out the pistons as dirty players. Go look at Boston and the Lakers from that Era. The tougher era is the reason Jordan became the almighty. Just tell the whole story correctly

@clay9333

Жыл бұрын

@@TheKeepItRealNetwork It was a mans game back then. The Knicks, Celtics, Pistons, Lakers all played physical AF. It took a while for Jordan to figure it out. The only team that dominated the Jordan/Pippen Bulls were the Pistons lead by Thomas.

i think the Pippen x Jorda beef is much more interesting. Coundt care less for the Thomas x Jordan stuff anymore.

MJ said it already. Chuck too. What to wonder. Isiah is beating them bad and they hate each other. The game is not all good and respect.

@milwaukeemac9195

Жыл бұрын

Nah he only played 12 minutes 🧢

The freeze out didn't happen. There's footage of Isiah passing the ball to MJ multiple times but most of those times MJ missed and he went 2/9 for the game. Plus Isiah had a lot of dimes to MJ in other all star games since then. Lastly, Magic took more ownership than MJ over Isiah not being chosen for the Dream Team

@renatolocsin2741

Жыл бұрын

re Magic taking over etc......I clearly recall MJ initially denying that he said that if IT were to play on the dream team then, that he would NOT play. However, there was a video shown a few yrs later where MJ was talking to someone & in that phone conversation he said that he would NOT play on the team if IT were chosen to play on that same team. So it clearly showed that MJ was a coward for denying it the first time he was asked.

@jayzee316

Жыл бұрын

yeah magic got HIV and then isiah spread rumours in the league, questioned Magic's sexuality and basically called him gay, as those times people associated gay = aids. Magic had it in his book where he admitted he kept isiah off the team because of those rumours/accusations.

@TheAliisawesome

Жыл бұрын

Honestly MJ is so psychopathically competitive that he believed they all froze him out. Whether they talked about freezing out the rookie together or not doesn’t matter. He used that as fuel and look he won 3x more rings than Thomas did. He would have ruined the chemistry on the Dream Team as well.

@stephencorbitt2752

9 ай бұрын

Isiah as the Union delegate had to investigate Magics live life an homosexual accusations because that was the fear. He had to present his findings to David Stern to allow Magic to play in the 92 All star game. Facts mischaracterized.

I thought the Dream Team did in Chuck Daly's tenure as Piston's coach and this video confirms it. Jordan seems very insecure based on the contents of this vid. Magic actually was more responsible for keeping Isiah off the Dream team, which he admitted in his autobigraphy..

I think Isiah probably didn't pass MJ the ball on a few plays during the 85 all star game and in MJ's delusionally competitive mind, he thought they were all freezing him out. MJ is just too fiercely competitive that it affects his mental state, ironically this is also why he is the GOAT

Thomas is not gone admit to being jealous

He didn’t freeze him out

@TA-ht4jo

Жыл бұрын

And MJ didn’t demand that Isiah be left off the Dream team.

@magnol1a_

Жыл бұрын

@@TA-ht4jo 😏

@TA-ht4jo

Жыл бұрын

@@magnol1a_ The whole team didn’t want him, including his own coach, Chuck Daly.

@magnol1a_

Жыл бұрын

@@TA-ht4jo 😏

They were wrong to leave Thomas off Jordan’s lying

@Hinshu85

Жыл бұрын

No, they weren't. They won and that's what counts.

@trentbaldridge3010

Жыл бұрын

Players been doing stuff like this since the beginning and its only gotten worse

i think michael talked shit about isiah..

jordan obviously lied about not saying that he would not play on the dream team if Isaiah Thomas was on the team. So what else is he lying about? Obviously he has one of the largest egos in history. Because Larry Bird didn’t shake the Pistons hand and he isn’t calling Bird and the Celtics bad sports, and the Pistons didn’t cry about it then and aren’t still crying about it 20 years later. How big of ego do you have to have to be crying about it 20 YEARS LATER??? Grow up!!!

Zeke was a broadcaster during the 1998 NBA Finals and said many flattering things about MJ

@mpound97

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and since then, he's been going in the other direction not quite shaming Jordan but he'll throw some slick comment or 2 in.

I believe MJ is the Goat, but to be honest i believe that he is not a nice person to be around and make all situations about him. Cb, Scottie, Isiah, Grant canbe a witness for that, 1st hand. That's what it is if you are very competitive, you take everything personal.

@la-do-ra-ch6810

Жыл бұрын

You cant sum up a person being nice based off of this. This is sports. Unless you know how he is on a personal level, why would anyone assume this makes him not a nice guy?

@rodsutton5458

Жыл бұрын

How can u sum up somebody being nice in sports and while in battle?? Smh what they say about ppl who ASSUME?? Ppl hate MJ just like ppl hate Lebron Period..

@down426

Жыл бұрын

Stop regarding man, whose breath [of life] is in his nostrils [for so little time]; For why should he be esteemed? Isaiah 2:22 AMP

@megmaravillas

Жыл бұрын

I am not judging him of what he did or what he is doin'. All those facts came from his mouth and the mouth of those who experience it first hand. One example, was when he told the stewardess that HGrant doesn't deserved a meal because he didn't play well. I didn't say he is a bad person or anything, calm down, but also he is not a nice person to be around. Watch all docs regarding MJ.

@la-do-ra-ch6810

Жыл бұрын

@@megmaravillas You seriously need to look at other world figures to really understand what a bad person is. You sound like a naive and ignorant fool, judging someone from afar, based on videos and playing sports. You know how much money MJ has given to people in need and charities he's involved in? You know how he opened medical clinics in NC? Nobody is perfect but you're not the guy to be judging people you don't even know.

I'm sure MJ met Isiah before his rookie season. They met when he played on the Olympic team when he was in college. The Olympic team played the NBA Allstars. I remember that game well.

Nothing wrong with holding a grudge. We are all human.

Thomas should have been on that Dream Team. Flat out.

Jordan: "Isiah and The Detroit Bad Boys Made the Jordan Rules" "It Became Personal Too Me" 😂🤣

@dieterbrumfield7535

Жыл бұрын

there you go its over and out. its between them two.

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

Жыл бұрын

Well said. It's mind-boggling to me that people from Michigan and Detroit in particular cannot comprehend what you just outlined so briefly and succinctly. If Pippen and Rodman we're in a restaurant and Rodman ran up from behind, grabbed Scottie so he couldn't get away, body checked him, and slammed him into a wall knocking him to the ground, he would be charged with assault. Michael was enduring this before Pippen and Grant got there. These were the Jordan Rules and felonious assault was part of the deal. We are going to beat you and beat you up...and hopefully end your career. I just watched Game 4 again and Sun's coach Cotton Fitzsimmons is on commentary... they split with the Bulls that year and in his words...the Pistons beat them and beat them up. His hatred of the Pistons was evident and he struggled to be neutral. It was not just the Bulls...it was EVERYBODY. And so, the only conclusion I can come to logically speaking for any type of legit Pistons perspective is that, they took Jordan's moniker of "Black Jesus 🖤" literally to heart. After being beaten down and beaten up, indeed feloniously assaulted for years-- in the image of Jesus, Jordan was supposed to passively turn the other cheek and not say anything other than, "Forgive them Father. They know not what they do." You can overcome us but you have to do it in a morally/political correct way, I guess was the Pistons belief. Jordan did not do that. Prior to Game 4...talk about a Babe Ruth moment...he called his shot ON THE ROAD in his personal house of horrors and gave them MASSIVE bulletin board material. I expected a proud group to come out fighting and to be ready to die in their house. You can kill me in my house... defile my body, do gross things to my carcass...curse me and spit on my grave... AFTER I AM DEAD because you are going to have to kill me in my house. But when Michael Jordan said those hurtful words prior to Game 4, it was like when your Daddy goes into his "daddy voice" and you think, "uh oh, Daddy ain't playing." His words alone were enough to intimidate the Pistons and the entire state of Michigan. He walked into their house and instead of making him pay for that insolence, they told him his words were hurtful and that they were not going to battle him anymore. His words were so hurtful that they cried and then they politely pulled down their pants and surrendered that sweet, sexy, Motor City ass eagerly, without hesitation, and then totally surrendered-- walking out of their house without a single word of defiance. As a Bulls fan, I did not enjoy that. It was sad and pitiful to watch. We proved nothing by beating that pathetic crew because Michael's words prior to the sweep were enough to make them QUIT...not even bother to show up or compete in Game 4. So for the Pistons half decade of thuggery and violence and for the Bulls unforgiving, hateful words-- one day, Isaiah and Michael will see each other in hell. They won't be able to avoid each other there. In Hell, EVERYBODY congregates around the water cooler. That will be one helluva 15 minute work break.😂

@coolmoe3289

Жыл бұрын

Can't Lie.. I Was A Fan Of the Detroit Bad Boyz.. Watching the Pistons Whip Up On Other Teams In Thug Like Fashion Was Cool.. Rodman Out Hustling Everybody..The Bulls Just Evolved into a Better Team...Jordan Pippen Grant Paxson Hodges Cartwright Purdue... Full Court Defensive Pressure.. I Hated the Bulls Just Like IT Too For Being Soo F'n Good.. 😂🤣

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

Жыл бұрын

@@coolmoe3289 Good humor and mad respect for your honesty and the economy with which you stated it. BIG ups to you.

It's inaccurate to say Zeke froze him out. I watched the game yesterday, and Zeke was a generous distributor. Dr J was gunning, and Iceman was playing tight D on Jordan while lighting him up on offense. But it's a stretch to say they conspired against Jordan. If anything, Jordan is projecting.

@la-do-ra-ch6810

Жыл бұрын

It's not about one game. It's about him "freezing him out" year after year and MJ hearing from people that IT was talkn sht. Let alone the way they played them physically and the handshake. Plus Isiah has had a reputation. He also had beef with Magic for certain comments he made. Made comments about Bird as well. Seems to me that Isiah had a reputation around the league.

@terrancejohnson4657

Жыл бұрын

@@la-do-ra-ch6810 maybe. The narrative says it is though. We can change the goal post on the debate (as long as we can agree that objectively speaking, the game doesn't show a freeze out). What did IT say about Jordan? The handshake is the only evidence of animosity (although Zeke and a few other Pistons are on record for why they walked off. Check out some of John Salley's interviews as well). Outside of being fierce competitors, Isiah has always been complimentary of Jordan in interviews, and when doing commentary of his games he's been objective as well.

@leonardoyi3183

Жыл бұрын

@@terrancejohnson4657 I don't get why the sensitivity of jordan with the handshake...and it's all about isiah...Jordan didn't have any problem with salley or rodman being his teammates, both didn't shake any of the bulls players after losing in 1991.

@terrancejohnson4657

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoyi3183 good point. And I think James Edwards played for the Bulls as well. Seems like Jordan needs an enemy (real, but mostly imagined) to be motivated to greatness.

@Hinshu85

Жыл бұрын

@@terrancejohnson4657 not maybe. It's a fact. Magic only made peace with Isiah a few years ago. And Bird doesn't talk to him. So no, most of the big guns didn't want him. And it worked out, they brought back the gold.

Guys, we need to learn the context first. MJ didnt want Isıah on that team. That's true but this is not sole reason for Isıah's absence on that team. Cuz Bird, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Barkley, Drexler were also didnt want him. Magic was the only one to see Isıah on that team. And Robinson, Laetnerr, Mullin were neutural about the topic. Bird had beef with Isıah cuz when he won back to back MVP, Isıah said "He won that much cuz he is white" and then he had to apologize him. But Isıah always so disrespectul to Bird's legacy. Malone & Stockton didnt want'em cuz Isıah bad talked about Stockton's point guard skills and always whine about their dirty plays which is super hypocritic thing to say for Isıah. Drexler didnt want him cuz at 1989 NBA Finals Drexler's Blazers and Isıah's Bad Boys Pistons played against each other and Drexler aint have good memories of'em. Same for Barkley. So, It's not like everyone was OK with Isıah and MJ didnt let it happen. NO ! No one were liking Isıah back in the day and they had solid reasons for it. Isıah and his team were immoral jerks.

@delaliy545

Жыл бұрын

Dennis Rodman made the statement first about Bird.

@HadeyanUtkan

Жыл бұрын

@@delaliy545 Nope... Isıah first talked about that at 1985 but he said it again against larger audience at 1987. Which is Rodman's rookie year. Yes Rodman said similar thing but as a rookie he is influenced by Thomas and the gang for sure.

@delaliy545

Жыл бұрын

@@HadeyanUtkan o okay, I just know that they were and still like to hate on Isaiah. Mj,Magic, Isaiah, Bird and Kareem is my top 5 of all time.

@pp-vf8ls

Жыл бұрын

uh..Magic didnt like Zeke too at that time

@mongoslade277

Жыл бұрын

Isiah was very complimentary of Stockton but be real, Isiah used to kill Stockton. He didn't like Malone bc Malone put 30 stitches in his head for dominating Stockton. Chuck Daly wasn't the coach of the Pistons anymore. He went to the Nets. Isiah ended the championship runs of Bird and Magic. Had a winning record over Jordan of more than 2:1 & he beat Drexler in the finals. Isiah used to punk Pippen. He should have been on the Dream Team

The beef is the reason I need ppl to listen to Zeke closely when he has GOAT convos on NBA TV and else where. It's tilted. Been tilted even more since the last dance. It's all good Zeke. You helped build a monster. Thank you.

Their beef will never be resolved

Like I said Scottie was the one who didn’t want IT to play on dream team

@FMD023

Жыл бұрын

Wow really? Cool story bro

@charlesbonds2003

Жыл бұрын

Really, do you really, believe that? How much clout did Scottie puppet have at that time? None really, everybody know that he was speaking for jordan. What kind of man hides behind the skirt of someone else. That’s the kind of stuff females do, come on jordan MAN UP!!! A Man is not afraid to stand up and take the heat for his comments. That’s how females or little kids hide behind others? Right?!

Why did no piston get selected for the dream team? Minus Zeke I would say dumars and rodman and even laimbeer were as qualified as pippen and mullin at the time of selection.

@marvinlynch1305

Жыл бұрын

The NBA wanted to send a team with a clean image to Barcelona, and Detroit was the exact opposite of that

@mongoslade277

Жыл бұрын

It's bc the Pistons ended the championship runs of Bird and Magic and beat Jordan 3 straight years in the playoffs. No one liked that especially commissioner David Stern

Jordan iced out, well Jordan did the same to some of his own teammates. Two great players who didn’t like each other is all.

@hainavidotcom

Жыл бұрын

Yeah MJ iced them due to them being envy and coke heads! Orlando Woolridge and Quienten Daily! I would have stayed in my lane and iced them out.

@mongoslade277

Жыл бұрын

@@hainavidotcom Good comment but Woolridge was the only other ballplayer on that team. Quintin Dailey should've been in prison. Never should've been allowed in the NBA

@hainavidotcom

Жыл бұрын

@@mongoslade277 Dailey was something else. Orlando at least tried to play well and was a good role player. RIP to both.

Jordon was the biggest ball hog and crybaby NBA has ever seen. He was selfish and always wanted to put up bigger numbers, denying his own teamates the ball. No wonder he was not happy IT didn't feed him all day. Boohoo.😩

Of course Zeek is telling the truth, but I think this wouldn’t be an issue today if he had shaken hands and wished them luck.

That's hard to believe chuck Daly, Thomas coach didn't want him on the dream team. I think John Salley put it best about how the NBA had their master plan about the holy trinity was to be bird magic & mj. Thomas was not included in that group when he's the only one who knocked all 3 out of the playoffs. He's the only superstar of that Era who can say that.

Thomas was jealous, Jordan felt disrespected, and both sides probably went a step or two too far in comments through the media. Thomas was a "bad boy" and that team had a Pistons Against the World mentality....or a Pistons Against the NBA mentality.....so when the NBA decides to form a Dream Team he had to stay over there with the Pistons because that is what he created.

I've been a piston fan in the seats at cobo hall when i was 8 in 1960. Lebron took eight years in NBA before he won his first Championship, Jordan took seven years- the thing with jordan was that every single one of those years he coulndt get past the bad boys . He never got his average against detroit- true, he wasnt an average player, but he just couldnt quite get quite get all the way to his aveage for the first six years in the league against his nemisis the pistons- he hated the pistons more than any other team , we toyed with him and just had his number.

@legionDC

Жыл бұрын

Pistons didn’t toy with the Bulls. Pistons rough the hell out of the Bulls! Kickin’ Jordan’s azz! Mike had to hire a personal trainer to gain little muscle to withstand the hacking Pistons defense

@gew2027

Жыл бұрын

That's a Hollywood script. in the early90s the Lakers Philly Celtics and Pistons were gone. It was easy in the90s all the big dogs gone

Jordan is wrong for what he did to Isiah.

Jordan was too cocky look at how he got under people skin

Jealousy is an UGLY THING, come on grown folk get along, as black people we have it hard enough as it is.

Regardless of what had been said remember this ... Isiah Lord Thomas the Third had a 36-29 record vs MJ and a 3-1 series record in the playoffs. Isiah was the true master!

@jadenkelly5969

Жыл бұрын

If he’s the master then why does he respond to every little thing while Jordan is sitting at his house watching all of you lose y’all minds over nothing? 🤔🤣🤷🏽‍♂️

@deebofleebo6427

Жыл бұрын

Lmao Isaiah was trash compared to Jordan, and he's always been a trash human

@marcusjames9353

Жыл бұрын

@@jadenkelly5969 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@ungerliu6611

Жыл бұрын

Without mj i wouldn't know it

@radragonmc

Жыл бұрын

Regardless, no one in the whole NBA liked Isiah Thomas and Pistons, period. They played dirty which is why Karl Malone had to give Isaiah Thomas the People's Elbow!

The Pistons beat the shit out of the Bulls for years, and MJ always showed respect upon playoff after playoff defeat, when Chicago finally beat the Pistons, they acted like punks, end of discussion.

@jordanflores5687

Жыл бұрын

Facts and that's that indeed

@Scott-px6mi

Жыл бұрын

Stop crying…… Boston did the same thing to the Pistons. Look that game up b4 you respond.

@jordanflores5687

Жыл бұрын

@@Scott-px6mi irrelevant

@vinceserrano2074

Жыл бұрын

@@Scott-px6mi the 1988 Eastern conference finals…what the hell did Mchale do to Isiah, he wished him well after being defeated and they shook hands. You need to do your research.

@Scott-px6mi

Жыл бұрын

@@vinceserrano2074 I said Boston Celtics…… I know what Jordan did.

Can they just have that sit down like Kobe and Shaq did

@kaspafischer

Жыл бұрын

yeah... the two guys are mostly being petty with this silly feud... especially MJ... LOL

@jordanflores5687

Жыл бұрын

Not the same Kobe and shaq had already been coo for years when they did that sit down

@libatako

Жыл бұрын

@@kaspafischer how is MJ petty? Isiah the one who can’t keep MJs name out of his mouth.

@kaspafischer

Жыл бұрын

@@libatako watch footage of that 1985 All Star Game... Isiah was passing the ball to MJ almost every damn time Mike was open but Mike had an awful game shooting-wise... and he says Isiah froze him out? BS... and definitely petty if he's really holding that against Isiah... smh

@dxtremecaliber

Жыл бұрын

@@kaspafischer they are petty cuz they are competitors and they are NBA PLAYERS even Shaq said it so us simple folks will never understand that

It was the no handshakes after the Bulls beat them that set this beef off.

The whole situation is sad.

Why does everyone blame Isiah for this feud? Michael Jordan is the only one who has expressed clear hatred toward Isiah 30 years after the fact. That's crazy. Michael Jordan needs to get his head checked. If Isiah Thomas caused all that emotional and mental stress to MJ maybe Isiah is greater than what people want to acknowledge. No one player has gotten under MJ's skin the way Isiah has. That's true greatness on Isiah's part.

@MortalJoviality

Жыл бұрын

It's because Isaiah is still talking down about MJ. MJ doesn't do alot of talking.

@relhob_sf2960

Жыл бұрын

@@MortalJoviality That's not true. Isiah has always spoke of Mike in a respectful way. And has never expressed hatred.

Isaiah is in my opinion one of the BEST point guards ever.. Jordan in my opinion is the BEST ever. Those two need to have dinner on a boat and hash it out👍🏽 Respect the game.✌🏽

This type of beef doesn't entertain me!!

MJ wasn’t the only one who didn’t want him in the team. Tho Laetner shouldn’t have been there either

It's all blown out of proportions if you ask me......this should have been forgotten and move on.

If the bad boy pistons created the jordan rules, it's a safe bet that Isiah thomas froze him out during the all-star game

It is obvious Jordan was deployed to force the NBA to make a choice between the Pistons and Isaiah Thomas vs. THA Bulls and Michael Jordan. The NBA and investors knew MJ was the future. MJ knew he was too. Thomas was just a casualty. But, Thomas did show his true character when he backed up Rodman’s comments about Larry Bird.

@therealbs2000

Жыл бұрын

What is his true character?

@bignardo95

Жыл бұрын

No. I believe it had more to do with that "Bad boy" persona. And the handshake snub when he finally lost to jordan and the bulls. The nba decided that was not the image they wanted to market to the world. Charles Barkley was bad enough. If thomas wants to blame someone he should blame Bill (troublemaker) Laimbeer, who's idea it was not to shake the Bulls' hands after the sweep.

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

Жыл бұрын

There was no choice. Jordan's young supporting cast got better and the Pistons no longer could compete. An absolute shellacking on their home court in '91 ECF. It was over. It was a process and it took time. But once the dictator is beheaded, putting him back in power is not an option. Now, in '90 the Pistons eliminated the Bulls in 7 and never came close to winning in Chicago-- this is as close as we get to a "choice." Had the series been officiated differently in '90, the Bulls we're ready to beat them and could have beaten them...and as the Pistons did, the Bulls would have beaten the Lakers, who were aging and injured in '89. But I do not think the Bulls we're ready to beat the Pistons in '89, as they lost in 6. But let's say for the sake of argument I am wrong and they were ready in '89 as well. Then clearly, the only choice was the league sanctioned thuggery by the bitch boys, I mean bad boys-- a strategy not just to ground the high-flying #1 one player in the world 🌎...but to kill him, cripple him, end his career -- The Jordan Rules. To overcome that in '89 & '90, the Bulls needed a level playing field from the officiating. That was not happening because the thuggery that was the Jordan Rules was league sanctioned. That was the league's choice in '90 and possibly in '89-- but again, I don't believe that the Bulls were ready in '89. In '91, the Pistons were a lamb 🐑 going to slaughter against the Bulls. Due to the previous heartaches and bitter defeats we Bull fans would not have bet it-- but a sweep was all but inevitable. In '90 Detroit didn't come close to winning in Chicago. You know that a playoff series starts when a home team loses. Again, Detroit was not winning in Chicago-- so the first game they played in Detroit was in effect for the series. They lost badly...they knew they would never win in Chicago again because the shoe was on the other foot...THEY were no longer good enough and the hatred, vitriol, and violence they had sown was about to be reaped. A comeback from 2-0 was an utter impossibility. And once it was 3-0, they quit because the sweep was inevitable.They were never gonna win more than one game against the Bulls in '91 and in Game 4 they decided they wouldn't even try. They decided to fight and try to injure, and end careers-- and when that did not happen in Game 3, they quit and got chased out of their own building in Game 4...I mean they ran out of there like scared turtles. After that...watching them QUIT, I am sure there was no Bulls' interest in teaming up with any of the bitch boys, I mean bad boys in the future. But Rodman went down to San Antonio and redeemed himself for quitting in Detroit-- the Bulls peeped it, brought him in and a second three-peat was born. There was no choice. The Bulls got better and the Pussies, I mean Pistons, QUIT. Isaiah nuts all over himself at night thinking about his 49-16 career record over Jordan. What was his record against Jordan after the '91 ECF? If Jordan only won 16 times against Isaiah, he must have finished on a 16-0 run.

@mongoslade277

Жыл бұрын

The Bulls made that walking off the court a big deal. When the Pistons finally beat the Celtics in the eastern conference finals the Celtics did the same walkoff without a handshake. Only McHale and Dennis Johnson acknowledged them and they walked off too. The Pistons didn't make a big deal about it bc it's no big deal. It's about backing up your teammates

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

Жыл бұрын

@@mongoslade277 YOU ARE WRONG. The Celtics crashed their free throw line as shots were about to be taken and offered hand slaps, and said "Beat LA.". And then left the court to give them their moment unfettered, so nobody could say, "Aww poor Celtics." It was done the right way...there was class, goodwill, and sportsmanship. A legendary group had reached the end of the road and they walked out with their heads held high. Go watch it. NOT THE CASE IN THE PALACE. The Pistons have said many things, including that they wanted to duplicate what the Celtics gave them...an unfettered moment. But they botched it HORRIBLY. I just watched it again last night...Yes, I am a Bulls fan-- but it was not as egregious as I and many have thought it to be. They were bitch boys, I mean bad boys so it's not surprising they botched it. But if you look, there was some settling. Salley stayed and shook hands...the Pistons that were on the floor at the final horn did fine post-game exchange. If that core group that wanted Michael Jordan dead, and would later rejoice when his father was murdered wanted to walk off-- that was fine AND TO BE EXPECTED. The hatred ran deep and still does. All these years later, I am amazed this still gets talked about and how far off the mark much of the commentary is. It comes down to a single moment-- and you know what it is...that turn, dip, and duck as he hid from Michael's view and avoided the Bulls as he left the arena...chased from his own house...exit with no dignity. I do not know how he explains such a cowardly, weak, and undignified moment to his children... especially his sons if he has any. That type of low character behavior is what the world believes to be the true character of a black man. We have to defeat that notion every chance we get and certainly on a platform as big as that one was. I would rather him have flipped Michael off, or even talked shit on the way out...but he hid and ran away. There is no comparison between how the Celtics passed the torch and the Pistons' debacle where they QUIT, RAN AWAY FROM THEIR OWN HOUSE AND HID.

Chuck Daly was the coach of the Dream Team and didn’t care that Thomas wasn’t there … all that really matters

1) Isiah did not freeze Jordan out of that game. Go back and watch it and you'll see the BS. 2) Magic is my fav player (then Pip), but on this I'm team Isiah. 3) Jordan has some nerves calling someone else an asshole. Have you heard all the stories about how Jodan was always super disrepectful to people/players? Like Shannon and Skip just mentioned, Jordan is not a nice person and he is lonely and miserable. On the other hand, Isiah Thomas is the absolute best person to listen to when talking about the game. He is also the best natural PG of all time.

@deebofleebo6427

Жыл бұрын

Isaiah is a turd and I'd rather hear basketball from Doug Collins over him any day of the week

@realmusicentertainmentcompany

Жыл бұрын

Facts!!!

I am born in Chicago but moved about an hour and a half south to a little dot on the map called Gilman when I was a baby. Not much to do there and so Chicago sports were HUGE to us. Honestly, I cannot believe this shit still gets talked about. Yet, if it must be talked about, I am not surprised that emotions still run hot. Detroit had a run...only two titles but it easily could have been a three-peat. And there style of play fit their personnel. And unfortunately, the Bulls were their patsy until they got some dogs to run with Mike. It still didn't happen over night...but when it came, the floodgates opened. I try to tune most of it out...as Chicago fans, we waited a long time for that moment. And we have to accept that we conquered an evil, hateful opponent that never respected us-- even after we overcame them. Sorry for saying "we" cause I didn't do shit. If Isaiah really wanted to play in Chicago, all he had to do was shake hands...it would have opened the door to the possibility. He could have finished his career with Jordan, redeemed his homecoming, and added another title or two. But he is an evil little man...just as that was an evil dynasty...he preferred denial, hate, immaturity, and pettiness over earned mutual respect, redemption, and titles. There is a reason that Satan resides in hell. HE LIKES IT. "It is better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven," and that is exactly what Isaiah did. Michael's hatred of the Pistons-- they tried to kill him and they relished it. The goal was always injury and elimination from contention. They burned his athletic prime and he won no titles. Rodman said it best in talking about the GOAT: "With the beating we gave him (for years)...for him to come out the other side and do what he did...he has to be the GOAT" 🐐 THAT is the thing that NEVER gets talked about...he hung 6 in 8 with 6 finals MVPS...all out of his athletic prime. Who else did that in any team sport? Surely HE is the GOAT 🐐. All alpha males are assholes...no matter what profession or walk of life. So it's not surprising these guys do not and will not ever see eye to eye on anything. Isaiah is even too stupid to be afraid of Michael Jordan-- and he and anybody else for that matter ought to be terrified...for about half a decade Michael endured a WWE style beatdown at the hands of the Pistons-- and we all know WWE is a work. This was real and this cat kept coming, until he conquered, and humiliated his tormenters on their home court and then proceeded to take the ENTIRE LEAGUE to the next level worldwide. All NBA players from his era and those that came after owe Jordan a little bit of gratitude... not just respect. Isaiah cannot give either because he prides himself on being the bigger asshole if the two. Well done Isaiah. You proved you CAN beat Mike at something.

@michaelward9201

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Well technically he can also beat mike at basketball seeing as his record against him is like 46- 19.

@StevenSmith-zw1pd

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@@michaelward9201 Not technically... DEBATABLY...I am going to help you out with the English language here. They never played one on one. Isaiah's teams beat Michael's teams. Isaiah never swept Michael. Isaiah never won 6 titles. Isaiah never won 6 finals MVPS. Isaiah never made the dream team... because, while lies have been told... including by Mike himself...BUT it appears Isaiah's own coach did not want him on the team. For the better part if a decade you could count on: Death, Taxes, and a party 🎉 in Grant Park come June. Who was the better player? In their primes, two of the best two-way players ever. It is debatable. But what is not debatable was Zeke made hay while his teams were better than Michael's. Michael clearly has the better individual resume. My work here is done. Please don't reply.

Isiah has already called MJ out on it. Isiah didn't play half the game and when he did, he passed the ball to MJ 15 times.

This story is so full of crap! It's missing so many valid points! Like, 1) The bulls talking very bad about the Pistons in the newspapers the entire series so the Pistons felt disrespected as champions. So of course they was not going to shake their hands.

@realmusicentertainmentcompany

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Facts!!!

@trivolution1

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source: trust me bro

@jonjohnson5200

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@@trivolution1 No Look it up in the Detroit Free Press/Bill Laimbeers interviews and much more. Don't trust- research

The truth is Isaiah was a killer on the court much like Jordan was and he didn't like that this new kid came into the league and was just destroying everybody and nobody could come close to guarding him. I'm sure Magic and Bird didn't much like it either but they were able to also appreciate what he was doing and show at least some class when interacting with him. Isaiah walking off the court without shaking hands when getting swept is one of the most disrespectful and childish things I've ever seen a pro athlete do.

@joshuastinson4642

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Lol yeah and it's something that's happened several times by several other athletes since. Jordan's pettiness all these years later is THE pettiest thing I've ever seen from a pro athlete. But somehow the narrative goes that Jordan's pettiness makes him great but isiahs pettiness somehow makes him a bad guy.

Zeke is right.

“Michael Jordan was as competitive as Isaiah Thomas.” - Red Auerbach

When new wave incoming, you need to be sure whether you can or can not against it. If Isiah do embrace it, NBA stories would be different today.

it (that all star game) did 'nt seem like they froze mj out. i seen righteous passing to mj from zeke. did jordan say hi to him on the elevator and thomas said jordan did nt speak ( if zeke spoke to him jordan spoke back!) or did thomas claim (from that point) mj was arrogant. what's the real deal, don't seem like isaiah would say he was arrogant so the 'liar' part from zeke is probably a double mix up - jordan 'believed' whoever said isaiah put him down and isaiah think jordan made the comments up

@clay9333

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@Dan George - You are correct. The "freeze out" never happened. Thomas was throwing dimes to Jordan the whole first half and then he didn't play in the second half because he got hurt. Jordan shot 2 for 10. Had a shitty game. He's always used that as a sad excuse. Keep in mind, Thomas had to get the ball to Bird, Dr. J, and Moses Malone too. Just Jordan still being a bitch.

Allegedly…… LOL!! It’s time to let it go. God has a bigger plan for each one of us. The writer’s the directors the instigators , time to let it go. They will get it right it’s not our burden.

This video is an example of poor journalism that obviously spreads Jordan propaganda. I couldn't get past the first 32 seconds and I could see glaring bias, so I cut if off. Nonsense.

Thomas didn't play most of.the second half.

Thomas is telling the truth!!! Michael was hating on Zeek because the Pistons was spanking the Bull's azz in the '80s... It wasn't until the league changed the rules in the '90 to make touching Michael a foul, is when, for the first time, the bulls beat the Pistons in the playoffs!!! Bad Boys 4 Life!!!!!!

MJ is not the greatest player

@realmusicentertainmentcompany

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Facts!!!

Do y’all know the song in the background ?!

I suspect that there were at least two other players on the Dream Team that did not want to play with Thomas. He had a reputation around the league, behind closed doors that you could not trust him. And on an all star team like that where you are actually playing for something and not just putting on a show, relationships and trust matters.

Thomas would have lost all credibility had he gone against Laimbeer saying let's walk off.

Thomas didn't make the dream team. That's all that counts .

Mj was not frozen out in the 1985 all star game Jordan was young and still learning his game and Isiah was denying Jordan the ball from what I remember but I do believe they had beef for a while for things on and off the court

to call out the greatest player of all time...??? when did I.T call out LEBRON????

MJ said “I won’t play if Thomas plays”. He never said I don’t want Thomas to play. Anyway Isaiah Thomas was in the Sega Genesis video game of the Dream Team!😂

They’re both lying. I feel like they were both d bags

@RLSmith-jt8qj

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Yuo

Thomas is 46-19 vs Jordan and Thomas also has a dominant record against Jordan in the playoffs. Thomas is only one year older than Jordan. Despite this, before the "walk off" game, Jordan said Isiah was an undeserving champion and bad for basketball to the national media. I wouldn't have shook Jordans hand either. Thomas dominated the bulls and didn't have a Pippin as a "sidekick". Don't be mad bro. It's history. All in the books.

@humbertolopez6247

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Thomas had Joe Dumars a HOF, Dennis Rodman a HOF and one of the nastiest front lines in NBA history. He had plenty of side kicks. The pistons walking off like that was a bitch move. Pass the torch and move on.

@elreydeoro2310

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Naw @Humberto Lopez, MJ was wrong for trashing the Pistons like that. MJ was mad that IT and the Pistons would not bow down to MJ like everyone else. IT saw MJ as a child and Magic and Bird as his Peers. MJ wanted that Equality with IT from IT.

@joshuacustodio7401

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Hahaha

@kisswagoner

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He's 36-29 against Mike

@clay9333

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@@humbertolopez6247 Joe Dumars was no Pippin or Malone or Worthy or Kareem. And Rodman came off the bench for the Pistons. He couldn't score or make a free throw and he was a kid back then. He wasn't a hall of famer back then. It was his body of work through the years that got him to the HOF.

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These guys need to grow up and let that shit go. At this point it doesn’t matter who did, or said what. The only thing that matters is that they both played as HOFers individually and both led their teams to win multiple championships. Outside of that, why does it matter who said what, when, where and how? Since when did competitors become best friends as a norm? That level of pride is borderline insanity.

@apostolostvable

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lol seriously they're in their 60s life is way too short to be bitter

@therealbs2000

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That level of pride goes a long way in getting to that level in the first place...

@bcamplite621

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You ain't ever been a competitor like either of these guys so you ain't qualified to psycho analyze them

@richardplantan4375

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I always thought multiple meant three or more. Thomas won 2 titles with the pistons.

@gew2027

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@@bcamplite621 Zeke Jordan psychiatrist