It’s like Prager U but my ears don’t bleed. Great editing and formatting. I’m gonna show this to my father, he’s “classic lib” but he always goes on about overpopulation.

@Nicole-tv7hy

3 жыл бұрын

OMG I HATE PRAGER U TOOO

@bloodcarnage8285

2 жыл бұрын

Overpopulation is bad if it is in 3rd world countries but first world countries, it is good. Plus another argument is that overpopulation decreases soil nutrition. Which inturn decreases food quality. It can't go on forever. Prager u logic will be like we need more population on first world rather than third world countries . In a way Prager u is right.

@tasfa10

2 жыл бұрын

Check Hakim's video on this topic as well.

@alisha8099

10 ай бұрын

I have some friends who tend to be somewhat misanthropic. So, overpopulation is the ultimate proof to them, that humans are disgusting, worthless parasites and mother Nature would be much better off, without our species.

@injusticeanywherethreatens4810

6 ай бұрын

...what did he say?

I find that in conversation with liberals and technocrats that they will often concede that population isn't the driving force but uneven distribution through the class system is. However they counter by making the tangential argument that population growth is the problem because class stratification is a natural component of society especially ones that can create a surplus. So while they reveal that liberal ideology is not based in freedom or liberty, but on the violent accumulation of goods at any cost by the rich, the conversation often ends there.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that sounds familiar. Liberalism suffers from a fundamental ahistoricism. Liberals and their adjacents tend to naturalize social phenomena and raise them to a transhistorical status, i.e. "free markets have always existed," "humans are self-centered," "competition is a social constant," etc.

@redlorax5380

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the conversation ends there. But they have gotten a thought. An idea. That maybe the system they advocate is wrong. They will not immediately say "well f*ck capitalism then, lets go socialism", but the idea is planted and left to grow.

I worry that overpopulation theory leads to eugenics.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

The connection between the theory of overpopulation and eugenics is definitely a logical one. Overpopulation has for sure been used to justify eugenics, and in some cases, blatant genocide. One of the reasons the Nazis had a policy of extermination was because they fundamentally believed that Europe was overpopulated (with inferior racial groups).

@jonausten8151

4 жыл бұрын

We have to talk openly about overpopulation. We are dangerously overpopulated and the planet cannot support our numbers. We have to encourage, not coerce, small families urgently to avoid planetary collapse. Eugenics is a thing of the past. We must not be afraid to talk about population growth.

@iuulia9245

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonausten8151 bro did you fucking watch the video at all

Well, Malthusus himself came from a wealthy family background. How ironic it is to speak of the needy when you yourself were protected, fed, sheltered, educated, and secure resources.

@JOHNBURG1917

Жыл бұрын

malthus is just saying what all anglo aristocrats are thinking. "there are haves and have nots" "the survival of the fittest that is the law of nature" you get the idea.

@KnownNiche1999

Жыл бұрын

What's so ironic about that? If you are rich you can't analyze and criticize the poor, even if constructively? (not talking about Malthusus, he was wrong)

@christopherkelly9985

Жыл бұрын

Yes. He is typical of the ruling elite. They can’t see the fallacy of their philosophy. In this video the point is made that it is the elite who overconsume and prevent distribution to support the poor. The landed gentry have always blamed the poor. BTW climate change is a hoax along the same line of deception

@nikolamilicevic1040

10 ай бұрын

@@JOHNBURG1917 well chinise communsit goverment introduced extenive measures to reduce growth of popuilaion called one child policy.

@alisha8099

10 ай бұрын

I have some friends who tend to be somewhat misanthropic. So, overpopulation is the ultimate proof to them, that humans are disgusting, worthless parasites and mother Nature would be much better off, without our species.

Easy to digest and extremely informative. Very well done!

@jadedoptimist6364

4 жыл бұрын

Check out on KZread: Europa, the Last Battle part 1. Eye-opening documentary.

@rodrigodeamoriza6879

4 жыл бұрын

@@jadedoptimist6364 Thanks. I will check that out.

Simple and elegant. Well done Comrade.

@jadedoptimist6364

4 жыл бұрын

KZread: Europa, the Final Battle part 1. Eye-opening documentary.

@achyuththouta6957

4 жыл бұрын

@Weazel USSR was better than US

@achyuththouta6957

4 жыл бұрын

@Weazel They got divided to end the cold war. They knew US wouldn't allow them to live peacefully. They considered world peace to be more important than their country.

@achyuththouta6957

4 жыл бұрын

@Weazel during Stalin's time 95% of the people had jobs , every kid went to school , everyone had access to free healthcare and the economy was thriving. It was the best place on earth

@achyuththouta6957

4 жыл бұрын

@Weazel All that was achieved in a few decades

Practically platonicly perfect for conciseness comrade, keep kicking ass!

However, our current means of agricultural production and distribution, even if done so no person goes hungry (etc). Relies on fossil fuels and agrochemicals. A question I still have is if sustainable agriculture using green energy and fewer chemicals is able to supply 8 billion people while still combating climate change and ecosystem destruction. I hope it can, but I'm honestly not sure.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

This is a good question. We can probably only speak speculatively, but I think it could be possible to transition to green energy in such a way as to sustain a population of 8 billion even with much better living standards. Some sectors might have to make cuts (like the personal automobile industry), but in terms of food, clothing, shelter, and energy, I think there are large scale sustainable options. One benefit of transitioning to an economy controlled by the people is that we will be able to more adequately redirect our time and energy towards environmental priorities, since our very lives are affected by it. Whereas the market has to operate via the profit motive, a need-based economy would be free to focus on solutions as quickly as possible.

@johnterbot2829

4 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject I generally am in agreement. However, I have a comrade who has fallen deep into climate nihilism. It's difficult because their arguments are all sound (e.g. aforementioned systemic issues in our agriculture production, climate feedback loops already beginning, general pessimism about humanity's ability to achieve socialism quickly enough). I try to stress that we need to be hopeful, but that isn't exactly a counter-argument to the points?

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly that kind of perspective is understandable, given the dire situation we find ourselves in. In my opinion, it's largely a personal battle to climb out of defeatism. While things are getting markedly worse, there is also plenty of reason to believe that we can turn things around. And at the end of the day, I'd feel much better knowing we tried instead of just giving up. But I can see how from the eyes of someone who truly thinks there is no hope, those kinds of motivations would be pretty ineffectual. I think that even the biggest optimists among us worry that we may not be able to stand in solidarity until we hit some major cataclysm that threatens our very existence. I certainly hope we can sort shit out before then, but I can't discount it as a possible scenario.

@akiamini4006

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnterbot2829 i say with better technology which increase the efficiency of making goods specially foods the more green way could easily solve the problem you know developing way more efficirnt and nutricious algea in oceans instead of massivly consuming red meat which have large water footprint and CO2 print in em and massivly change the culture which is based on buying luxaries like multiple cars for people and massivlely food and resource and mainly food wasting lifestyle thats what i think and only technology and our imagination can stop us

@StUk401

3 жыл бұрын

one sentence: Nikola Tesla's infinite energy source

Nice pithy and comprehensible video, I'll keep an eye on the rest of your work.

Thanks for citing sources. Good work. Keep it up!

great video, neomalthusianism is experiencing a serious resurgence among reactionary elements and will all too easily act as an ideological prop for exclusionary eugenics and extermination policies in the future - I'll share this with family and friends, cheers x

@melelconquistador

Жыл бұрын

Most are so steeped in some ingroup preservation, that they dont want to consider alternatives that will enable everyone to thrive.

@tropictours5811

Жыл бұрын

Overpopulationists are guilty of actual genocide, not your theoretical b.s. Hitler, Stalin, Mao were all pro-population growth.

@nikolamilicevic1040

10 ай бұрын

there is but i dotn see posiblity of them doinating looking at for exmaperl ype of right wing resurgence in usa. currently in core of craptialis in usa there more and more move to ban abortion and even conmtraceptives and glb al warmign is more and more denied.those hwo are into antinatalism are moistly libs who are childless themsevles. largest maltusian measures in hisstory of world has been employted by communist chinaas in one child policy.

a post-scarcity future is possible

@CounterfittXIII

4 жыл бұрын

Never completely, but close enough.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

At the very least, we should certainly strive for it!

@nikolamilicevic1040

10 ай бұрын

with space colonisation and exploitaion.or with reducing consumtion and number of people by plannjing.for examopel somethign akin to china one dchild policy.

I remember learning this from my Canadian professor on environmental science. We have enough land with animals to feed up to 12 billion people , if we went all vegan it could exponentially grow to 14 billion plus (animals take a shit ton of resources and water to grow, im not a vegan at all but if it meant saving the planet , hell yeah)

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the livestock industry as it is today is very wasteful and consumes a lot of energy to be sustained. Personally, I think we can find ways to scale down consumption of meat while still retaining it as a dietary option for people who enjoy it.

@jonausten8151

4 жыл бұрын

All at the expense of every other living thing. Rainforests? Tigers? We are destroying the planet.

@craigmacleod5296

2 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject IMO the issue isn't food supply . Produce and livestock are renewable resources, the major issue is energy. Our world as currently constructed uses approximately 100MBD of crude oil and 80 % of energy consumption is fossil fuels. Many of the major legacy (super giant) oil fields are 50-60 years old, and should begin a gradual decline in the years ahead. If population trends continues on it's current trajectory while conventional energy sources begin an orderly decline, a cycle of misery could be in the future. Of course, human ingenuity is a difficult input into this calculation, but it seems humanity should work towards solving this existential problem.

@rationalism_communism

2 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject what about the animals? They deserve to live. We should all be communist and vegan.

@the80386

2 жыл бұрын

we're omnivores and we can live a healthy life using natural plant and animal products. going vegan is not the magic solution that its believers think. there is no vegan who don't heavily rely upon corporate agrochemical processed substitutes for meat and dairy and numerous nutrition supplements. go to any vegan youTubers refrigerator tour video and you'll see the sheer dependence on processed packaged stuff, completely dependent upon corporate bigagrochemi and corporate bigpharma.

One of the most underrated videos on leftube. This video can easily be used as a means to show that food scarcity is a result of capitalism to those who aren't leftists or don't have an intimate understanding of theory.

@martinjeffery3590

Жыл бұрын

Your channel has as much content as your head,NOTHING

@lucadhagat9364

Жыл бұрын

@@martinjeffery3590 good one bro

fantastic video! i am a relatively new marxist and found it very helpful

Great video! Thank you for your work!

Hey I recently started a blog where I write about some of these topics. Your videos are a great help 💜

“Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”.....not karl

@CrackaChin

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, thank you for quoting genenis 1:28 and the prooceding to "shock" us with the fact that it wasnt said by marx. Marx lived under a time where people didnt know black air was unhealthy, there was no such thing as inviromentalism back then.

It's clear that we currently produce enough calories to feed everybody, and even a somewhat higher population, but that level of food production is already way overshooting the ecologically workable level by a long way.

Great video.

Hello, is it possible to add the links you've referenced to in the video in the description? Thanks.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Done

this channel is valuable

"Arahat Athersata and the Plejaren repeatedly advise us in particular about our out-of-control overpopulation problem and, as of 1975, recommended a strict, humane plan of world-wide birth control (which we arrogantly and self-destructively ignored, and continue to ignore. Countries like Australia even promote the growth of our population for economic reasons even as our water and other resources are increasingly reduced and contaminated!). Arahat Athersata says, that one of the most important tasks of the realm of material life of the Earthly humanity is to pay attention to the fact that the population must be very severely restricted and the number of human beings must not exceed 500 million. (According to the Plejaren we had 7.5 billion at the end of 2004, which is one billion more that was acknowledged at the same time by the USAmerican Census Bureau!) According to the Creational laws and directives the correct formula for maintaining the human species is not one of simply increasing, as is wrongly proclaimed by Earthly religions, but is based in the adherence to the natural laws so that there is order, meaning that population growth is overseen and supervised. Through the irrationality and false religious teaching of the Earth human the mass of humanity is driven into boundlessness, whereby problems, which are containable and can be restricted for a small humanity, spread and become uncontrollable to an unspeakable extent. With the breaking and abuse of the law of maintenance of the species humanity has been driven to a mass of overpopulation in only a few hundred years, and with that all problems, need and degeneration climb (and because of this millions are forced to die a degenerate death.) (Please refer to the FIGU overpopulation pamphlets for more on this.) To follow Creational laws and directives also means the correct raising of children, in which, by adulthood, they are entirely equipped for self-reliance and independence from their parents. Other laws concern respect for all life forms, not killing in degeneration, (which includes not committing suicide), learning from mistakes rather than condemning them, taking responsibility for one's own thoughts, words and deeds, not judging falsely but instead making judgments according to logic, respecting one's spiritual and physical needs, the requirement for leadership in each family, community and population, etc., the obligation of a leader to guide, teach and protect the people, the implementation of correctional measures for wrong behavior instead of torture or the death penalty, which entirely go against the Creational laws and directives, and so on."

Well done comrade, i suggest adding English subtitles.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I really should! It's something I'll try to work on in the future, but as far as I understand it needs to be done manually so it's quite time consuming? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

@fdagpigj

4 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject I believe if you manage to enable captions it'll auto-generate subtitles in the detected language, those are usable as-is and then viewers can contribute improvements and translations

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds good! I think I've got them enabled now.

Would be great to have captions, for accessibility :)

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, that would be a super great idea but it's a lot of work adding manual captions. Not sure how quickly or feasibly I could make that happen, since I'm working alone. I'll do my best to sort it out though, I promise! @anyone who wants to help: I think any viewer can add captions with my permission. I'd welcome any such efforts!

@WilliamWozzeck

4 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject I'd be happy to do captions, but there's no option to at present (usually this is possible through Settings).

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

I've turned them on now (hopefully)!

@WilliamWozzeck

4 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject Alright I've submitted, you should be able to have a look and accept. Please credit me in the description if that's alright -- I'm confidence270 on twitter if other breadtubers want some help. (I already commented this last night but looks like it didn't show.)

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I'll be sure to leave your info in the description.

Good vid, keep it up

Beautifully explained

I love that there are pictures cuz I like them ty

an ancient china scholar/wanderer said: our world is a small piece in the vast universe... there are many other worlds... the WEST IS A LAND OF MAGNIFICENT KINGDOMS... note: physical features of human beings in the west is not a particularity of east asia historians... even when they showed up in japan shores china lands india lands... their physical features not a particularity... it is the guns and cannons and ships that japan are particularly interested... even when britain took over hong kong, bruce lee said WHY? i am chinese i have abilities... why you british treat chinese differently...? new things delight the east new things amuse the east...

well done

good work

the alternative to malthus eliminating upstarts is mao zedong exterminating old people and ideas, thereby creating a lord of the flies scenario where aimless children are on their own. and the problem isnt ALL borgoisie people.. it's just the ones that deny the poor the opportunity to live vicariously through them with dreams of attaining equal luxury as the greatest elites on the planet. in any case, it's not at all possible to share such luxury evenly between the entire population of the planet as it currently stands. not everyone can independently research their way out of the stone age and into the space age for instance. not enough resources for everyone to have their own private reusable space shuttle.

I don't understand how could increase in urbanisation and (in) education slow population growth? It should be quite the opposite. And that argument that we are already producing enough food for 10 billion people....well we are already destroying our planet way too much. Just because we could feed all of us, that doesn't mean there isn't too many of us. Great video, anyways

Thank you for the video. Do you have any excess material goods that I need? I will come get them. Thank you comrade.

@nsfeliz7825

Жыл бұрын

😃😃😃😃😆

(No ism needed, nor useful,..at all) Subbd

Not much to say but that I'm looking forward to the next part of this series. Also I subscribed to you before, but it seems I was mysteriously unsubscribed. Never again

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

I've got a video on the tragedy of the commons planned, as well as a video on alienation from nature. How strange about the subscription. KZread can be such a wonky platform.

Would you like to read a paper for our podcast. We function as an audio library for leftists.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry if you see this response (or some iteration of it) more than once -- I've been trying to reply for hours. I would love to work with you on that!

Thanos needs to see this video

yeah!

I think about over population in terms of how we are a fossil fuel population. We have a window of time where fossil fuels are available and our environment isn’t too destroyed. Alot of what sustains our population is destryoing our world. We should fundamentally change our approach and relationship with the natural processes to one that is less destructive before we continue to scale up our population.

3:10 I think we’re hitting 8 billion within a year from now

It's a pleasant thought to imagine that the carrying capacity is an elastic, or even arbitrary boundary. But such arguments are wishful thinking. Relief, aid, technological advance, _change in social-material conditions,_ or whatever else you want to call it; these are all labels given to any temporary, artificial increase of the carrying capacity. The plans and predictions of rose-colored models like these remain fiercely defended, but they are nevertheless unnatural ecological extensions, and their long-term sustainability remains impossible. The Earth is finite, and our consumption is not fixed in balance. Don't bet on as-of-yet undiscovered innovation. Be careful dismissing Malthus. His arguments remain powerfully accurate within the biological sphere, and it is as foolish as it is arrogant for us to believe that these rules do not apply to us. There is no technological escape velocity that can permanently liberate us from our nature. Whether removing wasteful Capitalist greed from the equation will eliminate resource problems or not is incidental; if the population keeps going up, the _real_ carrying capacity will, at some point, be breached. Of course, we DO have policy problems. But not all optimization problems can be blamed on procedural errors; some reduce to having good old mathematical limits. We're living on a ball, not a cloud.

correction:... man(yoga)...

so in cruelty to the africa people... if overpopulation is problem why did they promote slavery... at this point in time they promote influx of migration... is not over population the problem...?

There is a glaring contradiction in this presentation among other hastily made conclusions. In its argument against the Malthusian conclusion of which I totally agree, he states that there are less people dyeing of hunger today than there were 500 years ago despite the fact that the population is much bigger because of the agricultural and industrial revolution. Yet he states that market dynamics, class structure and capitalism is what contributes to the lack of food. That doesn't add up. By the way capitalism doesn't preclude the government from handing out food stamps or people trying to come up with solutions to the wasted food and charities to help on that front as well.

I've got a doubt about overpopulation. There is a clear problem of destruction of food and food waste for markets' sake and inefficiency in distribution, but this great production is sustained by techniques that makes the soil progressively poorer and incapable of bear abundant harvests. Using techniques that guaruantee the renewal of soil productivity means to produce much less on bigger areas, but also more jobs in agriculture. The problem can't be solved by just socialism with a capitalist view about soil management.

Good shit comrade

But, malthus was wrong along in that today we now know that food isn't the prime factor in population growth it's energy production.

It's not as simple as just feeding the population. Look at the havoc we cause to ecosystems, biodiversity, wildlife etc. Overpopulation is the biggest driver of these issues. We can't "tech" our way out of that.

@jonarbuckle980

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. But without the motive of profit, minimizing our environmental impact is more easily doable. The fact is that there are solutions to the problem of unsustainability that are simply not being put into use, either because it would impact profits too much, or that it would cost too much.

@Robohead-z6z

2 жыл бұрын

We been doing that way before becoming overpopulated. I think the problem is overconsumption.

@LinuxUser00

7 ай бұрын

But that's precisely what Marxists believe. Like Capitalists, they believe that we can "out-tech" our serious problems of overpopulation, overconsumption and pollution.

1:44

I encourage you to watch some Isaac Arthur videos. Technology develops faster than human population, you can have as much population on Earth as you want. 1 trillion? no problem - we will start growing vertically or even in space stations. Even move to space stations ourselves. There will come a time when population of Earth is but a fraction of total human population. Technology and science are capable of mind boggling things.

This mans voice is definitely asmr... This does not mix well with school work. Lol

you and i... back to square one... the very root of the many problems is britain america imperialism...

I still think overpopulation is a real issue. The more people, the more resources needed to supply their needs, and the bigger the strain on the global environment. It's not just a structural problem, though it is that as well.

@LinuxUser00

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, well, good luck telling that to Marxists. Marxists Christians and Capitalists are "strange bedfellows"- they BELIEVE in the infinite - infinite growth, infinite resources, infinite carrying capacity, infinite technological adaptation. They only argue amongst each other on how the system of infinite "progress" should be shaped. It matters little though, because in the end overpopulation, overconsumption and pollution have debts that will be collected.

For most places lacking food these days its usually an infrastructure problem. Take Africa. A continent so vast it can fit the United States and China and Brazil within it. However even a trip from tbe fish abundant coast to 100 miles into rhe interior can be a harrowing journey due to how the geography rapidly destroys the infrastructure that the government builds. So while food is available nearby settlements on the interior are so far away in terms of time that fresh food can and often does rot before it gets there. Interesting note that the Chinese interior has had similar problems though not to the same scale. The desire to enrich the historically poor western side of China is why the ccp has poured more concrete and asphalt than any other government in history. Historically the east in China has always risen to wealth when the political conditions don't hold it down. The west has always struggled yet has remained part of their empire to protect the east. This relationship binding the two together has historically been done with force. The ccp has tried to share the wealth to bind the two together with mutual benefit not force, but so far the dividends have not paid out as much as they had hoped.

I stand on the other side of the fence politically, but I agree that overpopulation is a myth. Socialism doesn't work in its purest form. I agree that socialistic programs can be helpful, and in fact, I believe that many of these tax-dodging billion dollar multinational corporations should be taxed at a rate of something akin to 30%, and that money should be designated for a safety social net. As well, and we need more of the socialists vouching for this, is that humans need data sovereignty that corporations and the government don't have access to without a subpoena. Read the book 'The Creature From Jekyll Island' and see how the Federal Reserve system has stolen our rights as humans and has increasingly made us all more impoverished while bankers and crony capitalists have enriched themselves.

In a sort of weird way a genuine Malthusian would be the most successful in achieving their goals by heavily subsidizing and promoting education, especially for women and pertaining sexual education. In Japan, iirc only 40% of the women bother to have children, let alone more then 2. This is theoretically reducing their population faster then the two atomic bombs did. South Korea has an even lower birth rate. Ironically, it's the starving North Koreans who have a higher reproduction and growth rate.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

As is mentioned in the video, those policies are definitely worth supporting, but not along the premise of population control. The point is that "overpopulation" is not the issue -- the market is.

@jonausten8151

4 жыл бұрын

@@themarxistproject Overpopulation clearly is part of the problem. We are at almost 8 billion people on a finite planet. We are overconsuming even if food was equally distributed in a fantasy Marxist utopia

Overpopulation is real in theory (like the Earth having 100 billion people doesn't sound exactly healthy), but in our current situation it is not a problem. Europe, North America, Oceania, East Asia and Latin America all already have, for the most part, below replacement birth rates. South Asia is also not too far off (Indian birth rate is now only 2.2 children per woman). The only regions of considerable future growth (as of current trends and projections) are Africa and the Middle East. And even then, if the countries of these regions can be allowed to develop, their birth rate will naturally fall off too - it always makes me laugh when I see far right people worried about African growth while simultaneously supporting movements (conservatism) that keep the birth rate high through lack of contraceptives, dominance of organised religion, lack of rights for women, etc. The real issue is consumption - both of products and energy, which can be unsustainable in the long run. We're already on our way to solving the energy issue with renewables, nuclear (although some countries seem to be terrified of nuclear due to propaganda, which is frustrating), and, hopefully, fusion. Cutting down on consumption of unnecessary products will be harder, since so many people are completely attached to over-consuming useless material products. Not to mention things like housing. We have to accept that the whole world living a lifestyle of middle class America - with its sprawling, wasteful suburbs, overconsumption of all kinds of products, and gas guzzling cars, is not sustainable. Well, it could be sustainable for a few decades - but 8 billion or more people living that kind of lifestyle is an easy way to run the Earth into the ground.

Malthus was right, until his time changed the trend. We tend to work like that a lot of time we guess things or how people feel.

@themarxistproject

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving your thoughts. I'd be interested to hear more In what way do you believe Malthus was right and what changes are you referring to?

mArXiSt pOiNt oF ViEw YIKES

Did Marx and Engles say that b4 or after millions of Ukrainians were starved to death in the Holodomor?

@CrackaChin

2 жыл бұрын

Are you stupid? Marx and Engels died way before the 1932 soviet famine.

Incorrect on several fronts. Malthus lived close to where I live now. He was a vicar, concerned about the poor. You have painted him as not caring. False, he cared immensely about the poor. Secondly, mankind has increased food production which has temporarily allowed more people to live in planet Earth. However, we are beyond carrying capacity now, and population will decline as resources diminish. None of this was true at the time of Marx when population was a fifth of now. Therefore, his theories are of no relevance in the 21st century. Population will not peak at 8 billion as you say. We are already at 7.8 billion. Projections say 10.8 billion. This is not sustainable. It is true that food is not distributed equally because of capitalism. However, from a purely ecological perspective, we are overpopulated. Even Marxists should accept this. Overpopulation is clearly not a myth.

@AdamfromMalmoe

3 жыл бұрын

Malthus cared about the poor? Wow, that's a new one. Try reading some Malthus mate. He really really did not care about the poor, even going so far as to propose different schemes for making the lives of poor people worse and increasing their rate of mortality. So no.

@jonausten8151

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdamfromMalmoe I have read extensively about Malthus, and admire the great man immensely. He did care about the poor, explaining to the world how too many people and scarce resources lead to famine and misery. How it was better to be preventative and not have so many children. Pure logic and a great insight. Yes, he cared deeply for the poor and had a great career in well respected institutions. I suggest you look in to the world today and how we are facing collapse. If we'd listened to the great man we wouldn't be heading for disaster. But some people just don't want to accept reality, do they??????

@AdamfromMalmoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonausten8151 Rubbish. The man was a monster. Would you like some quotes? I can provide you with some if you are interested

@AdamfromMalmoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonausten8151 Malthus' theories lack any scientific basis at all, the only reason we are still talking about them is because of prevailing prejudices against the poor, basically "poor people are poor because they have too.many children" - which was not true 200 years ago, and it is not true today.

@AdamfromMalmoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonausten8151 here's a little gem from the great humanitarian Thomas Malthus:"we should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavouring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality; and if we dread the too frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction, which we compel nature to use. Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague. In the country, we should build our villages near stagnant pools, and particularly encourage settlements in all marshy and unwholesome situations. But above all, we should reprobate specific remedies for ravaging diseases; and those benevolent, but much mistaken men, who have thought they were doing a service to mankind by projecting schemes for the total extirpation of particular disorders"

Cope

CRAP

Bitcoin fixes this It allows every single person to take part in the free market thus unleashing the full capacity

Yeah communism seems cool. If everyone wants to be poor and gingery lmao

@magnuscritikaleak5045

2 жыл бұрын

Racist......

@noodleplexium5953

Жыл бұрын

And dead

Communism is great as theory but heinous and brutal in practice.

@vesalore696

Жыл бұрын

The Soviet Union went from Feudalism to Space Flight in 30 years with two wars on the way. If people don't think that is success, they are setting the bar far to high for themselves and need a hug.

@achyuththouta6957

Жыл бұрын

@@vesalore696 Lol what? The US went from wars to sending a human on moon too. USA > USSr

@noodleplexium5953

Жыл бұрын

@@vesalore696 please read the gulag archipelago

This is good. Doing away with capitalism solves the distribution problems. The only issue is this: to what extent is our global food production propped up by fossil fuels? Fossil fuel fertilisers etc… how much food can we produce without fossil inputs?

@noodleplexium5953

Жыл бұрын

If you stop using fertiliser, billions of people die. Look at Sri Lanka

@RextheRebel

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's why populations need to have more localized production. And why overpopulation of specific regions is a problem while underpopulation and under utilized production is found in others, namely "developed" nations.