The Marshall JCM900: Is The Hate Justified?

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I dive into the reasons behind the hate for the Marshall JCM900. It's not a JCM800 or a Marshall Plexi but are the criticisms are justified? Let's dive into the tones of this 50 Watt High Gain Dual Reverb Model 4500.
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The Marshall JCM900 High Gain Dual Reverb amp is one of a number of Marshall amps in the 900 series. Produced as a response to guitar players wanting more gain it offered new features not seen in the Marshall JCM 800, Plexi and other classic Marshall Amps. The JCM 900 gets a lot of hate, but is it really deserved? We'll discuss the reasons behind the hate and whether or not you should keep it in your collection. Is the Marshall JCM 800 or the Plexi a better option? And why is the JCM900 not popular among metal players? In this video I discuss the reasons and share a bunch of guitar tones.
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Index
00:00 - Start
00:49 - Why the hate for the JCM900
02:16 - 90s Tone Example In a Mix
03:37 - Cab IR Choices
04:09 - 90s Tone in solo
04:27 - How to showcase a guitar amp?
05:55 - JCM900 Range of Tones
08:37 - Isolated Tones
10:01 - High Gain Channel / Boosted Clean Channel Comparison
10:47 - Final Thoughts
11:57 - Please Subscribe
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  • @LonelyRocker
    @LonelyRocker4 ай бұрын

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  • @mikelovesguitars402
    @mikelovesguitars4024 ай бұрын

    I have a wall full of amps and my JCM900 is and always has been my favorite. I've had mine since about 95 and it absolutely has some special sauce to it. As with many things on the internet these days, 90% of the people who trash them online have never actually plugged one in.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I’m just so surprised by the negativity. And many people are reacting to the title and not listening to the amp in the video. Thanks for weighing in!

  • @mikelovesguitars402

    @mikelovesguitars402

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@LonelyRocker that's how it always is. I listened all the way through and I think your amp sounds great. Quite a bit different tone than I get with mine, but that could definitely be down to settings.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Also mine is modded...plus I do have my way of recording....That's the point I was trying to make in the video. That amp is a tool that serves a session well when paired with the right cab and treated properly in a mix....The isolated amp reviews with hacky playing bore me. We can make music with these amps and that's why I have them!! :)

  • @mikelovesguitars402

    @mikelovesguitars402

    4 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRocker I agree. It's all about how it sounds in a mix. I add isolated guitar tracks to my videos, but only because so many people seem to want to hear them. I like to write songs, not just lonely guitar riffs in a bedroom. 😁

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I lean to showcasing amps in the mix. They are not solo instruments! 😅

  • @belligerentamateur
    @belligerentamateur4 ай бұрын

    A criminally underrated amplifier. Is it the best for most things? Definitely not? Is it a bad amp? Absolutely not. Sounds great in your samples as well!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks for weighing in! It’s absolutely not for everything. My goal was to try and showcase what it’s good at it. Appreciate your insight. You’ve had your hands on an amp or two 😂

  • @gilbertocruz1683
    @gilbertocruz16833 ай бұрын

    JCM900 slightly crunched and a Tube Screamer as a booster is heaven 👍

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    Sounds sweeeeet!!!

  • @SonicDriveStudio
    @SonicDriveStudio4 ай бұрын

    That amp sounds pretty great to me! :) Would be cool to have those clipping diodes as a switchable option...

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    That would be a cool mod!!!

  • @ordohereticus3427

    @ordohereticus3427

    3 ай бұрын

    Exactly. More options are better than just doing away with the feature as for some people in some cases, they’re not bad.

  • @kierenmoore3236

    @kierenmoore3236

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s what the Jubilee was, basically … an 800 with an optional diode clipping mode …

  • @K707OR30
    @K707OR304 ай бұрын

    Good video. I own a 4100 and have no intention of getting rid of it. I own about 10 other amps and I still love the 4100. Slight but important correction - yes the diode clipping doesn’t produce the distortion, yes it has 3 12ax7s but the preamplification uses only one half of one of the 12ax7s and the rest of the preamp is opamps. Which I personally have zero issue with. But it isn’t cascading tube gain stages like an 800, the remainder of the 12ax7s are used to drive the effects loop and for reverb recovery. Do I own better amps or ones I like more? Yes but who cares. It isn’t a shit amp at all. Tons of artists use them or have, to your point it defined the 90s pop punk and a lot of alternative sounds. Trey from Morbid Angel has used them forever. One big complaint is it has no low end. That’s kind of true if you can’t crank it up. On my 4100 it really gets some thump going on channel B with the master at 1-2 o’clock but it’s insanely loud there so you have to attenuate or be able to let it rip. Or just use an EQ in the loop for lower volumes.

  • @amitbidaye7855
    @amitbidaye78554 ай бұрын

    Great video Dan, the depth you go into (all your videos) is fantastic

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks so much my friend! :)

  • @rocketsauce5067
    @rocketsauce50674 ай бұрын

    I have the 100 watt 4100 dual reverb and I love it. It also sounds amazing using the IR-X into the effects loop.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Nice! I'd love to play around with the 100 Watt version next....

  • @hybrydsanity5857
    @hybrydsanity58574 ай бұрын

    I'm not a major Marshall fan but I always liked those jcm 900s and that clean clean sounded nice ! , I like JVM Marshalls if I were to invest

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I live the clean channel too. JVM is also high on my list.

  • @RobbyKing
    @RobbyKing4 ай бұрын

    Great video! Another thing people forget about the 800 is that in order for it to sound good you had to put a boost in front of it, add an attenuator, and then apologize to the people in the rehearsal space next to you because it was so loud. The 900 doesn't have the same amount of gain as a Mesa or a 5150, but it has more than enough overdrive for the vast majority of musicians playing heavy music. I think some internet guitar players forget how much thicker a guitar sounds in the mix.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Yes, great points there. It delivered what players asked for at the time and was very popular. I still think it's a great amp...thanks for checking this out!

  • @guitarexpert2245

    @guitarexpert2245

    2 ай бұрын

    900 DR lack TONE. Why, because it's gain is pure Solid State. NOT Tube.

  • @r1deftone
    @r1deftone4 ай бұрын

    I had a 4500. I loved that amp. It had amazing cleans, and a brutal hi gain tone when used with a distortion pedal and an EQ in the loop. From what I have heard, all 900's need to have the EFX loop in use or at least patched. I use all my amps with a distortion pedal in front.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Same amp as this one. I find it does a great job in the studio.

  • @goran2465
    @goran2465Ай бұрын

    4500+patched loop+tubescreamer+my1980 Custom LP=Hell on Earth✊🤘

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    Ай бұрын

    There you go!

  • @jamesjohanson5675
    @jamesjohanson56754 ай бұрын

    I have come to this video to enjoy nice tones. I have come to a conclusion that often when an amp has bad rep its by ppl who cant use it right.. like the 5150 iconic.. so much hate based on the promo video.. and yet it is such a great amp :)

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Funny...I have that map too..as long as you know how to use them they both sound great!

  • @shaychromoy
    @shaychromoyАй бұрын

    I encourage you to try the 900 SLX which is a completely different based with no diode clipping, but another tube instead

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    Ай бұрын

    Yes, I have that one on my list. Been keeping my eyes open....would love to try it...

  • @edwestbrook989
    @edwestbrook9893 ай бұрын

    You hit the nail on the head, the 900 sounds good in a mix. Too bright on its own for me unless you add a eq pedal in the effects loop. Some people like that kinda thing though.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    For me an amp is meant to be in a mix. I show it in solo because people ask but an amp was never intended to play alone! 🤣🤣

  • @bennyvandelocht4242
    @bennyvandelocht4242Ай бұрын

    Sounds phenomenal! I have both 900 and 800, but most of the time like the 800 more. Not that it is better, it depends on the song. I never loved the G12T75 the Marshall cabs and combo's come with. They definatly don't do the 900 justice in my opinion. With the right speaker they sound really good.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    Ай бұрын

    That’s the key for sure. People are so quick to judge. But that 900 has mojo and with right cab you can get some great tones. Plus it does its own thing. It’s not an 800 but it’s a fun amp in its own right.

  • @zipsp9096
    @zipsp90963 ай бұрын

    I own a 4500 one and also a jcm800 but i love both but the big differents was the price i got my jcm 900 for €375

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    Those 900s can be had for a steal. But the price is creeping up a little now. It’s a great amp!

  • @ToneChaser-fp6xh
    @ToneChaser-fp6xh4 ай бұрын

    Ditto- love the 900s

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Nice to hear!!

  • @user-qt2ok6gd6s
    @user-qt2ok6gd6sАй бұрын

    I have several amps and Marshalls. Recently i fired up my 900 100w, it takes some tweaking but it sounds amazing, probably a sleeper in the used market but dont be fooled, its real Marshall dna!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    Ай бұрын

    Bang on!!

  • @tlabamba7741
    @tlabamba77416 күн бұрын

    I loved my JCM900, it and the Sovtek mig 100 were my favorite 2 amps I’ve owned, and im an idiot for letting both of them go.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    6 күн бұрын

    Damn. Letting the good ones go. But 900s are pretty reasonable on the used market.

  • @ordohereticus3427
    @ordohereticus34273 ай бұрын

    If it’s good enough for Trey Azagthoth of Morbid Angel, then I’m not one to complain.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    Sounds like a good reason! 😎🤟🏼🎸

  • @2550marshall
    @2550marshall4 ай бұрын

    Is your 900 an EL34 version? Many guys don't know that they were originally equipped with EL34's and then very shortly afterwards switched to 5881s because of an EL34 shortage at the time. IMHO, the EL34 versions sounded better and was Marshall's original intent for the sound. Most guys have only played the 5881 versions and I think that is why they get a bad rap.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    My amp was re-tubed last year. So yes. That’s also when I did the mod.

  • @r1deftone

    @r1deftone

    4 ай бұрын

    Agreed. Mine was a 5881, but I like them and like I said above, the loop needs to be patched or used.

  • @marvmccready4765
    @marvmccready47654 ай бұрын

    It's not necessarily to remove anything from a 900 all that needs to be done is Snip one lead of the Diode and bend it back, you can also have a switch placed in the Break in the Circuit and then you have Both Circuits at your disposal. I don't know of many Techs who Remove Anything when they do the Diode Mod. It's a matter of Economics and Time. Bench Time is Money. There are a few other Very inexpensive mods that will bring a 900 to Excellent Sonic Sweetness.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    You're right..when I said "removed" technically it was simply bypassed. I can shape a tone but I'm electrically illiterate.... :)

  • @jamesjohanson5675
    @jamesjohanson56754 ай бұрын

    btw.. whats wrong with op amps? ... ive been watching a lot of pedal building videos.. and daaaaym... some of the clipping of the op amps themselves is surprisingly warm and sweet...

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Nothing is wrong...some people think they know too much and criticize...we need to judge sound with our ears and not our eyes looking at schematics ;)

  • @dominicgibson9529
    @dominicgibson95292 ай бұрын

    Nice to see the Howard Roberts...awesome guitar. I had a black one too!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice! That’s my number 1. Love that guitar. I did a whole feature on it here on my channel a few years ago.

  • @dominicgibson9529

    @dominicgibson9529

    2 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRocker I’ll have to check that out. Love ES guitars. Currently I have a 335 and a 355, amongst a few Les Paul Customs and an EDS1275. Recently got my first PRS, a 509…I like it but it’s a very different playing experience.

  • @grisbain
    @grisbainАй бұрын

    These aren’t factory mods right? I want am thinking about buying a 900 for use in pop punk band. So, one off the shelf would sound pretty different?

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    Ай бұрын

    The mod was after market but I wouldn't worry about that. This is the perfect amp for that type of music even without the mod. And the mod is pretty cheap so you could consider getting that done at a later date. Good luck on your hunt!

  • @jamesprice6381
    @jamesprice63814 ай бұрын

    Cranked w/Gibson Korina Flying V is pretty amazing if u ask me! :)

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I bet that sounds awesome!!!

  • @dominicgibson9529
    @dominicgibson95292 ай бұрын

    I had an SLX, and it was a brilliant amp!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    2 ай бұрын

    I’d like to try that one. Keeping an eye out…..

  • @shaychromoy

    @shaychromoy

    Ай бұрын

    The slx is a completely different beast entirely it’s an all tube amp., I have one and I love it!

  • @treignsinblood
    @treignsinblood4 ай бұрын

    If you own this amp PUT an EQ in the LOOP!!!!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I record the amp so I EQ it in the box. But good advice.

  • @treignsinblood

    @treignsinblood

    4 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRocker it’s a game changer for the 900 imo

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I have 2 eq pedals. I’ll test it out.

  • @whitenoisestudio
    @whitenoisestudio4 ай бұрын

    Hahaha. if you want one who gets even more hate, do the marshall modefour. I have one, and its GREAT.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I never even heard of that one. That might say a lot 😂😂😂😂

  • @reptalien_music
    @reptalien_music4 ай бұрын

    Sounds like all that is good about a Marshall to me.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I agree! 😎🤘🏽🎸

  • @63221mm
    @63221mm2 ай бұрын

    i got a 900 4100 head and i slam the return jack w a boss mt2 pedal(w eq) and i get great 80s metal tones

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    2 ай бұрын

    That’s the way to do it!

  • @wyancey2
    @wyancey24 ай бұрын

    I swear by mine I think channel A is the best kept secret ever!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    You might be right!!

  • @guitarexpert2245

    @guitarexpert2245

    2 ай бұрын

    Well then you haven't played other Marshall's. I've had them all , it's a fair sounding amp & was an EL34 version. Solid state gain is NOT the same as pure Tube gain.

  • @matt926uk1
    @matt926uk12 ай бұрын

    If it’s good enough for Trey Azagtoth it’s good enough for me.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    2 ай бұрын

    Sounds good to me :)

  • @timothymartin2137
    @timothymartin21374 ай бұрын

    No matter what anyone says BOTH channels are screened by diodes so you CANNOT boost the clean on this amp like you can a fender or other with tube in the pre (most dont have the diodes in front of the tubes..this one does...)..THE ONLY way to access a tube for drive on THIS amp is through the EFFECTS LOOP on BOTH CHANNELS !!! DRIVES WORK THERE!!!!>>NOT IN FRONT>>>>and this ams does drive very well...even with just an eq pedal in the loop!!!!

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    How can you drive the preamp tubes from the send? That comes after the preamp. That makes no sense.

  • @timothymartin2137

    @timothymartin2137

    4 ай бұрын

    YOU DRIVE IT FROM THE RETURN ARE YOU RETARDED ASSHOLE!!!Most loops are solid state or blocked with diodes ...not this one...(remember..the diodes are in front on this amp).they used a tube to buffer the power section and keep it safe from overload...THAT IS THE TUBE YOU DRIVE ON THIS AMP!!!) it is RIGHT after the RETURN LINE IDIOT@@LonelyRocker

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    I assume with ignorance like yours you don't have much going on in your life. Hang in there. Life gets better if you try a little harder :)

  • @timothymartin2137

    @timothymartin2137

    4 ай бұрын

    THE ONLY ignorant comments are being put forth by you and you are a GIRL>>>YOU GOT one of my comments blocked you little woman!!!YUOP dont know enough about amps to give tips to ANYONE>>>>>>AND LESSONS>>>PLEASE>>>>PATHETIC PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE LTTLE PUNK@@LonelyRocker

  • @nicholasguitars5527
    @nicholasguitars55274 ай бұрын

    Gary Moore liked 'em. Good enough for me.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Good for me too!

  • @guitarexpert2245

    @guitarexpert2245

    2 ай бұрын

    He used JCM 2000's dude.

  • @guitarexpert2245
    @guitarexpert22452 ай бұрын

    You are spewing out misinformation dude. The 900 DR gets its pre-amp Gain from Op-Amps (both channels), NOT tubes. Op-Amps are SOLID STATE. the diodes are in addition to the Op-Amps., Other tube Marshall's get their gain from pre-amp Tubes. Huge difference. This is why many hate the 900. The cleans don't compare to the JCM 2000. It lacks low end. The distortion tone is very solid state sounding compared to the other Marshalls. I had it last year bought from G.C was an EL34 version and wanted to love it but ended up returning it before the 45 days return policy ended. Also your demoing I.R's. Play it though a real cabinet and you will hear it's just sounds fair.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm not spreading anything...I'm not an engineer. I'm sharing the tones of this amp...in the end that's all that really matters. There are tubes in there...I shared what they are. I didn't claim to understand how the amp was built. That's out of my jurisdiction....thanks for the clarification....

  • @guitarexpert2245

    @guitarexpert2245

    2 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRocker Ok, sounds good. Enjoyed the video.

  • @metalinsights9664
    @metalinsights9664Ай бұрын

    Demoing a substantially modified amp that remedies one of its mostly criticized design decisions is a flawed defense of "what this amp is."

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    29 күн бұрын

    Fair argument...but this is what I have. So I did a video about what "this" amp is....

  • @jessemuscato
    @jessemuscato9 күн бұрын

    Wait a minute wait a minute so what you're saying is that all of those apparent annoying frequencies that guys are always trying to get rid of our actually there for a reason to help somebody sound good in a mix and actually play with other people interesting concept because guys just go around and complain that every Amp sounds terrible, but they never ever play with anybody else And they have walls of useless amps that just collect dust and all sound terrible apparently but maybe just maybe the guys who design these Amp know what they're doing and all of those little bedroom warrior problems would actually go away if these dip shits would actually utilize the amplifiers for their intended purposethey should probably stick with battery powered 3 W amps

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    9 күн бұрын

    You nailed it! I’m not afraid to say it! Amps are not built for solo performances and bedroom noodling. They are for playing with a band. No shit! 😂😂😂

  • @kierenmoore3236
    @kierenmoore32363 ай бұрын

    Nah - 900s are indeed metalzzz amps …

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    They do more than metal...I can assure you :)

  • @kierenmoore3236

    @kierenmoore3236

    3 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRocker Maybe if you mod them 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    Great clean channel that boosts well into overdrive. Lots of styles! 😎🤟🏼🎸

  • @kierenmoore3236

    @kierenmoore3236

    3 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRocker Great clean channel?! * Tastes may vary.

  • @midirok
    @midirok4 ай бұрын

    The only reason people think it’s decent is because they can’t afford anything better. This is a shit amp compared to the 2555 that came out before it.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Dude. You just offended a shit ton of people with your ignorance. 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼

  • @midirok

    @midirok

    4 ай бұрын

    @@LonelyRockermy comment is accurate and on point, sounds like you don’t know any better.

  • @guitarexpert2245

    @guitarexpert2245

    2 ай бұрын

    I concur 100%. I bought one last year from G.C an EL34. Mint cond. I have 3 other Marshall's. 2000 dsl, SL-X & and 800 2204. The 900 sounded sterile. The cleans weren't that good. It sounded ok. I ended up returning it before the 45 days were up. I really wanted to love it but couldn't.

  • @RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he
    @RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he4 ай бұрын

    Who cares...modelers are a thing.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    No amps…no modelers…I like both. That’s a thing. 😎

  • @RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

    @RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

    4 ай бұрын

    @LonelyRocker just sayin, to those that dont like that amp...sell it and get a modeler and shut up. If you dig it, thats what matters. Im not passing judgement, i play on a vypyr x2 that i recently put a greenback into. Is it my dream rig? Hell no, does it do the thing well enough for what i use it for, yes. Frankly, i think id invest in some nice monitors and just run plugins/modelers, if i could re-invest past purchases.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Was hard to guage your intent with your brief comment. I cover both amps and modelers on my channel and they both serve the needs of different players. In my case they work great together! :)

  • @RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

    @RumpleStiltzkin-bu5he

    4 ай бұрын

    @LonelyRocker ive been watchin your channel for a while...under many different screen names lol I guessed youd purchase the sls elite.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    4 ай бұрын

    Nice! And my channel has only had two names! I started as a”I Don’t Have a Band” but switched to Lonely Rocker maybe a year after. Been that ever since! Thanks for hanging around!

  • @94SexyStang
    @94SexyStang3 ай бұрын

    JCM 900 is iconic, but it's not for me, too much bright mids.....I prefer the DSL due to better cleans and modern distortion, better Lows and Highs.

  • @LonelyRocker

    @LonelyRocker

    3 ай бұрын

    It’s definitely not for everyone but I will say, in a recording context, you can easily overcome characteristics you don’t like.

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