The Man Who Would Be PM: Who Is The Real Keir Starmer? | Pod Save The Uk

With a huge lead in the polls, all the signs point to Keir Starmer moving into Downing Street by the end of the year, so how well do we know the man who would be PM? Guest co-presenter Liz Bates attempts to get behind the rather dull public image, by interrogating Tom Baldwin, who spent hours talking to Starmer for his new authoritative biography of the Labour leader. The conversation takes an emotional turn when Liz and Tom discuss Starmer’s difficult relationship with his dad; how he couldn’t hug him on his deathbed, and then later found a hidden scrapbook that showed how proud of his son he really was. They also talk about what makes Starmer tick politically - is there such a thing as Starmerism? - as well as his love of football and music…and Tom reveals what Starmer thinks of the book!
Nish joins Liz from Crooked HQ in LA to discuss the fallout from Lee Anderson’s expulsion from the party, and whether the Tories have an islamophobia problem. They also discuss the rogues gallery of candidates competing to win the Rochdale by-election, and Liz reveals what it’s like to get up close and personal on the campaign trail, with the bookies favourite George Galloway.
Plus find out why Nish gave one very lucky New York cab driver a massive tip, and why he loves smelly books!
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Guest:
Tom Baldwin, author of Keir Starmer: The Biography
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Pre-titles
2.03 Nish’s passport nightmare
5:44 Rochdale’s rotten by-election
8:01 Who is George Galloway?
10:40 Conservatives and Islamophobia
12:19 Clip: Lee Anderson
17:25 Ad break
17:30 Understanding Keir Starmer
18:09 Guest: Tom Baldwin, author of Keir Starmer: The Biography
23:14 Starmer’s difficult relationship with his father
25:16 The influence of Obama
28:16 Friends, family and football
34:06 Northern soul dancing
38:09 Ruthless with Miliband and Corbyn
43:06 Ad break
43:42 Is there such a thing as Starmerism?
45:30 Keir’s critics
47:00 At home with the Starmers
49:35 Mailbag
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Video credits:
GB News
Photo credits:
Associated Press
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  • @donnagray9579
    @donnagray95793 ай бұрын

    $1000 is an appropriate amount for that kind of service.👍

  • @Skiplives

    @Skiplives

    3 ай бұрын

    New Yorkers can be much nicer than you expect. Sometimes.

  • @sfshinz
    @sfshinz3 ай бұрын

    Nish’s passport saga feels like he is still a contestant on Taskmaster.

  • @kevinboushel154
    @kevinboushel1543 ай бұрын

    Calling Keir an "Untypical Politician" is a bit of a stretch

  • @KapnScumdreg

    @KapnScumdreg

    3 ай бұрын

    He is untypically boring... a bit like the interview...

  • @KapnScumdreg

    @KapnScumdreg

    3 ай бұрын

    I mean seriously - Usually this podcast has really interesting interviews, often surprisingly gripping, both informative and funny in equal measure... but listening to two people try desparately to make starmer interesting and appealing is possibly even more dull than he is.

  • @portoutboy
    @portoutboy3 ай бұрын

    Not much pushing against the Keir biography - seems alot more like an advert and campaign for making him more human. His actions aren't exactly speaking well of a man with his humanity in tact. Wish there was more journalism involved

  • @worldtravelerall7
    @worldtravelerall73 ай бұрын

    Nish! It was such a thrill getting to speak with you briefly on the way out of the Lovett or Leave It show last week. Keep pissing off the right people! 😇

  • @Emanon...

    @Emanon...

    3 ай бұрын

    Ah, yes, Lovett. The avowed zionist that have spoken absolutely zero words about Gaza. He's a hypocrite at best. But more probably he's the same brand of monstrous "liberals" that value wearing a tutu more than children killed and maimed.

  • @ferhaeg
    @ferhaeg3 ай бұрын

    Didn’t feel like much of a two sided discussion but more an advert for starmer

  • @godsrightbuttcheek
    @godsrightbuttcheek3 ай бұрын

    Good god, does Tom Baldwin get paid every time he says pub or football? I wasn't Kier's biggest fan but this interview sounded like the most lackluster propaganda shite, I'm not surprised that both Coco and Nish weren't participating

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    George Galloway & Boris Johnson are pretty shite.

  • @user36112

    @user36112

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@goldskygregor both are symptoms of having shit politicians like Starmer to begin with! Break the cycle

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    @@user36112 look, Russian troll. Even Brexiteers can’t vote for your Poisoner Putin. Why don’t you folks “break the cycle”? 😂

  • @AndyLennon
    @AndyLennon3 ай бұрын

    I keep expecting Nish to say: "Now for something lighter...no, nevermind, there's nothing. There's no good news at all."

  • @jamesgrover2005
    @jamesgrover20053 ай бұрын

    You are famous to us Nish and I don't live in the UK.. 😉 Ps. Liz is great 🥰

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon...3 ай бұрын

    A human rights lawyer that won't stand up for human rights. That's who Starmer is. Human rights are apparently entirely contingent on your skin colour, whether you're a Muslim in the UK or a Palestinian in the Levant. I don't believe this man has any principles or shame. I'll remember. Will you?

  • @bereal6590

    @bereal6590

    3 ай бұрын

    Utter rubbish

  • @jimratbastardryan6295

    @jimratbastardryan6295

    3 ай бұрын

    @@bereal6590 yes you are

  • @Emanon...

    @Emanon...

    3 ай бұрын

    @@bereal6590 Oh dear, you really got me... Try arguing with facts and full sentences next time.

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    So you’ll be voting Tory then 😂

  • @Emanon...

    @Emanon...

    3 ай бұрын

    @@goldskygregor Because the Tories are different? You need to realise that we've all been had. There's very little difference between Starmer and Sunak. I'll be voting for whoever stands for human rights and acknowledges that racism is a growing problem, especially because of the political discourse.

  • @dorothea_walland
    @dorothea_walland3 ай бұрын

    you should include the Lovett/Leave It video link in the description, Nish 😉. good for crooked, good for entertainment (i watched that video when it first came out and it was absolutely delicious 😊❤🎉) lots of love from austria

  • @GloriousClio
    @GloriousClio3 ай бұрын

    We recently took "no smelly food" out of our Library policy. They're students, let them eat lunch or a snack or whatever. We drew a new line when we found a student cooking raw chicken in a George Foreman Grill one day. You can eat here, but no cooking, please. Another great episode!!

  • @final_grrrl
    @final_grrrl3 ай бұрын

    The gall to say that Starmer isn't a bullshitter and is *really* about rules and integrity... lol. and lmao.

  • @bereal6590

    @bereal6590

    3 ай бұрын

    Clearly you know nothing about him

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s harsh.

  • @lanehewitt7685

    @lanehewitt7685

    Ай бұрын

    He lied to gain power and has lied every day since. He's embracing the far-right and centrist melts like these two unfunny "bants" merchants are holding their nose at his persecution of Jews and people of colour and crossing their fingers he might be nice when he becomes PM of a wrecked country they helped wreck "Coz Corbyn".

  • @jenniferrials9687
    @jenniferrials96873 ай бұрын

    A politician isn't about the performance the news needs it's about what they accomplish for those they represent.

  • @donnagray9579
    @donnagray95793 ай бұрын

    Just in, George Galloway won.

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    🙀

  • @user36112

    @user36112

    3 ай бұрын

    This is what happens when majour parties are owned by lobbyist and powerful interest groups. So much so they no longer represent their base. Starmer is deeply disliked by most of his base

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    @@user36112 You a Russian troll, majour?

  • @tyler6539
    @tyler65393 ай бұрын

    I like Liz but the Starmer adoration is a bit much for me. That weasel has a lot to answer for

  • @jamesgrover2005

    @jamesgrover2005

    3 ай бұрын

    Did we just listen to the same interview? 😂

  • @warrencox9380

    @warrencox9380

    3 ай бұрын

    Agreed. It was cringe.

  • @bereal6590

    @bereal6590

    3 ай бұрын

    Croc of 💩. He doesn't have anything to answer for

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    Why is Starmer a weasel?

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    @@warrencox9380Why was it cringe?

  • @colinthompson3111
    @colinthompson31113 ай бұрын

    I feel for Nish Kumar. He is a brilliant comedian. His panel show appearances, MaSH Report all show his great sense of humour. He has even heard of Toronto. But Liz Bates and Coco Khan do a great program in his absences. I hope Liz becomes a regular for the program. 😊

  • @chrisbfreelance

    @chrisbfreelance

    3 ай бұрын

    Nish is that you?

  • @shantshiroyan1
    @shantshiroyan13 ай бұрын

    This is such a great pod.

  • @ExhaustedWombat
    @ExhaustedWombat3 ай бұрын

    One of the upsides of this podcast is it isn’t bootlicking for a specific political party. Kind of lose that when you have someone like Liz on

  • @ianh452
    @ianh4523 ай бұрын

    I am worried about the map in the background.

  • @damarisrodriguez5118
    @damarisrodriguez51183 ай бұрын

    That is a wonderful New York cabbie story. 💕💕

  • @brianarmstrong3731
    @brianarmstrong37313 ай бұрын

    Hi Liz, great to hear a South Yorkshire voice. I grew up in Bolton on Dearne in the 60s and 70s

  • @margaretmcnamee6411

    @margaretmcnamee6411

    3 ай бұрын

    Just a question. Do people from South Yorkshire sound different from people in North Yorkshire?

  • @brianarmstrong3731

    @brianarmstrong3731

    3 ай бұрын

    They certainly do. It's a big county, 86 miles by road from where I grew up to Scarborough for example.@@margaretmcnamee6411

  • @lauriestewart2044
    @lauriestewart20443 ай бұрын

    GOOD EVENING

  • @warrencox9380
    @warrencox93803 ай бұрын

    Can’t help feeling that this book and the interview is a big fluff piece. First time I’ve ever skipped through one of these podcasts. Starmer is a dangerous liar. I really don’t want it to be true but all the evidence is there.

  • @bereal6590

    @bereal6590

    3 ай бұрын

    Ur talking rubbish

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    What evidence is there? Please share your sources.

  • @RedSaint83
    @RedSaint833 ай бұрын

    As the kids would say: "Kid Starver has L rizz"

  • @straitJacketFashion
    @straitJacketFashion3 ай бұрын

    Get things done. Ah, the nonspecific things so Keir doesn’t have to commit - a really unpleasant listen

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    I found it a pleasant listen. The dis-United Kingdom 😂

  • @Tiggs84
    @Tiggs843 ай бұрын

    I like Starmer even less after listening to this.

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    Empathy’s not your thing, huh?

  • @user36112

    @user36112

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@goldskygregorwhy are U so pro Starmer. Do you know him?

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    @@user36112 why are U so anti Starmer? Do you know him?

  • @jonevansauthor
    @jonevansauthor3 ай бұрын

    Wait, it's on the cover that it's a biography? It's not an autobiography if you don't write it yourself. Also, Tom should complete his Amazon author profile with a photo and you know, a bio of his own and so on.

  • @frantremblay1630
    @frantremblay16303 ай бұрын

    Liz has been great!

  • @SolitaryCynic

    @SolitaryCynic

    3 ай бұрын

    Agreed. She has great energy & enthusiasm, but I am not quite onboard with her interviewing techniques on the pod though. I am probably in the minority, but I feel like she expounds too often on her top-of-mind agenda rather than giving the interviewee a chance to elaborate on the subject matter for which they appear. I think her fantastic investigative tenacity as a journalist simply overpowers her ability to yield the conversational momentum to the person being interviewed. Regardless, she is doing a bang up job. Love the pod, and cheers to Liz, Coco (in absentia,) Nish, and the whole of the Crooked team at PStUK!

  • @marjuraudne8862
    @marjuraudne88623 ай бұрын

    Brilliant interview!

  • @gobo5
    @gobo53 ай бұрын

    COME BACK LIZ!

  • @NotThatTomBrady
    @NotThatTomBrady3 ай бұрын

    The cope on this Kieth fan is unreal!

  • @mechasartre3694
    @mechasartre36943 ай бұрын

    Jesus Christ the hagiography of Starmer is vomit inducing.

  • @calbob9104

    @calbob9104

    3 ай бұрын

    You have a lot of hatred in you, don't you?

  • @Sophiex2024

    @Sophiex2024

    3 ай бұрын

    How bad are we talking? Not sure I can bring myself to watch this after the awful siding with Labour last week... I don't mind listening to genuine discussion with people who like Starmer but ass kissing propaganda makes my stomach turn. Real shame because I used to love this podcast.

  • @calbob9104

    @calbob9104

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Sophiex2024 it's an interview with a guy who wrote a biography on Starmer. It's not an authorised biography, and I personally don't think it was "ass kissing". This podcast is far from a Labour propaganda channel, considering the wide range of guests they've had on. It seems any remotely positive thing said about Starmer or Labour gets labelled propaganda these days.

  • @Sophiex2024

    @Sophiex2024

    3 ай бұрын

    @@calbob9104 I'm well aware of the podcast as I said originally I've watched a lot of it and liked it. They have had guests on that I've disagreed with and still enjoyed and appreciated the discussion. In fact in many ways I would like them to have more political variety. But there is a difference between a genuine discussion and promoting Starmer at all costs. From last weeks episode and the clips I've seen of this on instagram it comes across like a campaign ad not a podcast. The biographer seems to be going completely unchallenged as he talks about what a great man Starmer is. Again, this is just from a few clips which is why I was asking. I would genuinely like to watch more things with nuance about how to vote at the next election because I'm still torn, I'm not just objecting to any positives about Starmer. But I don't wanna watch an hour of content glorifying him and demeaning any criticism.

  • @calbob9104

    @calbob9104

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Sophiex2024 I get that and I'm sorry, I probably came across as angry and antagonistic. I've been letting internet politics get to me a bit to much. I've seen a lot of people simply swapping one form of propaganda for another lately, and it's depressing. I think it's important to remember most people posting clips to Instagram probably do so with an agenda of their own.

  • @veggienugnugs
    @veggienugnugs3 ай бұрын

    Oh man, Starmer's so boring he even killed this week's episode of Pod save the UK 😭

  • @ffunkddup1
    @ffunkddup13 ай бұрын

    More Liz please. Coco, Nish and Liz? What a team

  • @DJ-uk5mm
    @DJ-uk5mm3 ай бұрын

    27:15 “ it’s professional opposition, he says he hasn’t done anything yet” Actually, Paster and I have done quite a lot. He has voted for some of the most egregious and restrictive legislation in the history about Parliament, restricting the rights and freedoms of citizens when he could’ve challenged this as leader of the opposition. Much of this was sneaked through during covid lockdowns i’ve got example of the bill which allows 15 government agencies to commit any crime whatsoever. As long as they are acting covertly and undercover. This includes the environment, agency, HMRC and other benign government departments. Why would these departments need the power to commit burglary, false imprisonment, murder, rape torture, and any other crime without the scrutiny and process of the law? Here’s the act that would have failed without starters support . ….. Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill 2019-21

  • @horatiomh
    @horatiomh3 ай бұрын

    Nish, don't know if I agree with your sentiments on books and smells. I rescued a paperback of L'Etranger by Albert Camus from under my bed where it had been peed on by the cat, I still had to read it and even now I smell cat pee every time the novel's mentioned - I'm smelling it now 🐈‍⬛

  • @goldiv
    @goldiv3 ай бұрын

    Liz is fun as hell lol. She asked if he claimed asylum haha

  • @metalhead2550
    @metalhead25503 ай бұрын

    Nish read your script! 🤣

  • @lanehewitt7685
    @lanehewitt7685Ай бұрын

    Read The Starmer Project and be afraid.

  • @expectationlost
    @expectationlost3 ай бұрын

    a tory?

  • @DennisMoore664
    @DennisMoore6643 ай бұрын

    You can stay with me Nish. Ah, you got your docs back? Never mind. Well, I'd still put you up, mate.

  • @donnafalconer8158
    @donnafalconer81583 ай бұрын

    Just a comment people who dont look like they are in politics your journalist colleague needs to check that young men who look like bouncers and wear sunglasses? Not a good look for her talking in conflict in other countries ie where some of them may have family this is what is wrong with political reporting its all from a eurocentric middle class perspective.Ibam not a fan of Galloway but there is a middle ground

  • @ExhaustedWombat

    @ExhaustedWombat

    3 ай бұрын

    Labour supporters get more worked up when people flank them on the left. Not surprised she would make these kind of snide comments tbh.

  • @ffunkddup1
    @ffunkddup13 ай бұрын

    Is Coco with Kate somewhere? They disappeared at roughly the same time. I think we should be told Come back Coco

  • @rikmasasso
    @rikmasasso3 ай бұрын

    Coco is the funny one and Liz is the other funny one

  • @Vulcanerd
    @Vulcanerd3 ай бұрын

    Aahhh! Now, Nish is back in the studio (oh, LA, not the UK), but Liz looks like the one who's on the road... and Coco's still missing! Please, someone, for the love of all things holy, please send out a search party for Coco! 😅😆 (I hope, much like Beth, Coco's is at some DJ booth yelling at him, "Four sambucas!" Wherever Beth is, I hope she is well 🤣)

  • @annyfyreagle7973
    @annyfyreagle79733 ай бұрын

    Atypical never untypical

  • @GoikOShea
    @GoikOShea3 ай бұрын

    They've lost the chat. It's just GB News for wusses.

  • @meanpersonable
    @meanpersonable3 ай бұрын

    Nish, you are so easy to listen to. I knew of you, from PSA, but Liz is new to me. She's way over my head with all the politics, which to be clear isn't a negative comment against your cohost. I am obviously on this media platform because of Crooked, but hearing how well you speak (both of you) about Britain's politics, is like watching a child speak a language you don't understand. How could they know that foreign language nobody can speak? (Dissing Trump with that one.)

  • @fibanacci8
    @fibanacci83 ай бұрын

    Disappointing..

  • @somuchtosay
    @somuchtosay3 ай бұрын

    He hid it as a lifelong gift to have his son find it. He knew he would and I'm sure that was part of the plan...

  • @dh1380
    @dh13803 ай бұрын

    Knowing New York taxi drivers he wouldn't have given you your passport back without extracting a heavy fee from you. He knew what he was doing 😅

  • @rikmasasso
    @rikmasasso3 ай бұрын

    Another total Nishorama

  • @bereal6590
    @bereal65903 ай бұрын

    For once we might get a decent person as our p.m.👏👏👏✊

  • @bereal6590
    @bereal65903 ай бұрын

    Well done guys, starmer isn't a divisive politician like the tories, reform uk and Galloway are. He will do a great job ✌

  • @user36112

    @user36112

    3 ай бұрын

    Maybe in very few circles. For the most part Starmer is seen as a hypocrite and user. Especially after he tried to stage the meeting with imams after his inner thoughts came out in LBD interview

  • @ExhaustedWombat

    @ExhaustedWombat

    3 ай бұрын

    Starmer will do very little of anything. He promises little and will deliver less.

  • @meanpersonable
    @meanpersonable3 ай бұрын

    No Muslim should be persecuted for their religion. But no religious group should be able to use their religion to try to control secular societies. I do realize that enough pressure from religion can convert secular societies into religious societies or a particular stripe. I think it is to narrow to call someone who rejects religion(s) a racist.

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    Religious extremists, whether christian, muslim, hindu or jewish, are dangerous fuckwits.

  • @robertwilson6854
    @robertwilson68543 ай бұрын

    Very disturbing that Nish couldn't say anything negative on Galloway. He called on Iraqis to attack British troops in Iraq. "Pod save the UK" need experienced policy individuals with actual experience to comment not just some fail fired comedian.

  • @goldskygregor

    @goldskygregor

    3 ай бұрын

    Liz said plenty of negative things about Galloway. And Nish, like Lovett, are plenty experienced in the comedy of politics.

  • @ExhaustedWombat

    @ExhaustedWombat

    3 ай бұрын

    Given the illegal nature of the invasion of Iraq, it would have been well within their right to do so. 🤷

  • @jimratbastardryan6295
    @jimratbastardryan62953 ай бұрын

    how come nothing about his lies to become leader he is a pos

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