The Making of a Gaming Mouse: Inside Logitech's Labs

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We visit Logitech's development and testing labs in Lausanne, Switzerland to learn how PC gaming mice sensors work and the testing procedures engineers have invented to test for accuracy and consistency. There's even a machine whose sole job is to click mouse buttons over 20 million times to test for durability.

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  • @TheRaisinSex
    @TheRaisinSex5 жыл бұрын

    5:59 "So here we have the Kappa-bility"

  • @zxxczczczcz

    @zxxczczczcz

    3 жыл бұрын

    nice

  • @hyperxbv1895

    @hyperxbv1895

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bro dont make fun of his accent

  • @zuck770
    @zuck77011 жыл бұрын

    This was a very interesting video, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd watch more stuff like this.

  • @omrcz
    @omrcz11 жыл бұрын

    I have the original mx518 that came out in 2005. First gaming mouse and software dedicated to it. It's 2013, and It has tanked my long sessions of CS 1.6, Starcraft, Dota 1 and now Dota 2. It still works as new after all those right clicks and never in these 8 years it gave me a single problem. Now THAT is how technology should be.

  • @Sebbgod
    @Sebbgod11 жыл бұрын

    I love learning how stuff works! Thanks for the video :D

  • @skullduggerry

    @skullduggerry

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah it was really cool

  • @enregistreur
    @enregistreur11 жыл бұрын

    I bought a MX510 in 2004 and I still use it everyday for gaming in FPS like BF3 or TF2. I'm on the verge of buying the G500S for its clickwheel (that I love on my other Anywhere MX) but I still stick to my old mx510, because of its sentimental value and performance. So yeah, thank you Logitech, you never let me down. I'll keep advising people to buy from you.

  • @bornwisedistruction
    @bornwisedistruction11 жыл бұрын

    I have a new respect for my G400,G9x & Deathadder now never thought so much went in to making them.

  • @Fatmuffinz1
    @Fatmuffinz111 жыл бұрын

    I love Logitech as a company, I've had wonderful results with their customer support.

  • @vylybk4247
    @vylybk424711 жыл бұрын

    really informative video. I hope you enjoyed your stay here in switzerland! :)

  • @rcanciosilva
    @rcanciosilva11 жыл бұрын

    Please do more stuff like this! It's not obvious the amount of work engineers have to go through to make good products that look simple when looked at on a shelf. PS: Some info on the ergonomics of gaming mice would be great too, since you're already there. :) Go Norm!

  • @WayneJohnsonZastil
    @WayneJohnsonZastil11 жыл бұрын

    GO Logitech! Thanks for sharing!

  • @Arazand
    @Arazand11 жыл бұрын

    Yes that I can agree with. :) (Of course this puts pressure on the time they have scheduled. I know for a fact this event here at Logitech tested wasn't alone several other websites were invited to the factory tour and press conference. So they were probably allotted a couple of minutes to each guy they talked to. But I'm guessing. Still I agree with the idea, I would love to go more in-depth on certain things.)

  • @josephwilliamcosta
    @josephwilliamcosta11 жыл бұрын

    Great content. Keep it up!

  • @etothejtheta
    @etothejtheta11 жыл бұрын

    This was great thanks.

  • @rjc0234
    @rjc023411 жыл бұрын

    aww. if only i ahd this video many years ago. did a design and technology report on how they make computer mice. this would have been fantastic background story (finding out how computer mice are made, using only books, is hard as hell)

  • @aConfusedAmp
    @aConfusedAmp5 жыл бұрын

    Where would one buy the sensor in the mouse, not the mouse, just the sensor. I can’t find one online so far

  • @neoromeo7499
    @neoromeo749910 жыл бұрын

    Tell me why logitech g25/27 wheel is too easy broken their optical encoder disk..its hard to find who sell this thing actually.

  • @akhilbarackal8427
    @akhilbarackal84276 жыл бұрын

    where can I buy that small black sensor ?? @4:07

  • @kienocard
    @kienocard11 жыл бұрын

    As a reader, I'd love to see more videos like this one.

  • @BombShot
    @BombShot3 жыл бұрын

    This is very useful for my potential custom mouse project

  • @Duckss

    @Duckss

    3 жыл бұрын

    bro, i had the same idea

  • @JFox64
    @JFox6411 жыл бұрын

    Whoa Logitech really works hard on their products!

  • @ChuckCanada1
    @ChuckCanada111 жыл бұрын

    This was a great video, I like Logitech's mice a lot and have been using a Logitech G3 for the past seven years or something. When it no longer does what I need it to I will switch to a new mouse:p But not until then.

  • @colombiancenturyacademy7692
    @colombiancenturyacademy76922 жыл бұрын

    This is men's true power, looking at these men talking with high-tecnical terminology about mouse engineering, from 2013, all this is fascinating.

  • @LaAttiDah
    @LaAttiDah11 жыл бұрын

    I like the roller ball since my desk is sooooo small i need to use my knee as a mouse pad and my old logitech did not like that...or can the new logitech work without a mouse pad

  • @jilmaradora4178
    @jilmaradora41785 жыл бұрын

    thanks for idea

  • @Ganym3de
    @Ganym3de11 жыл бұрын

    Logitech G9x? you can swap the most of the shell from wide for claw grips or thin for palm grip. There are also a few more adjustable mice but they can't do it instantly like the G9. The R.A.T 7 and 9 for example allow for adjustments but you have to fiddle with screws and stuff.

  • @waaghman
    @waaghman11 жыл бұрын

    Great video.

  • @curtisbeef
    @curtisbeef11 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! Logitech 4 Life!

  • @TheGearHead92official
    @TheGearHead92official11 жыл бұрын

    Is nice to see Tested.com in my country... welcome and enjoy Switzerland :)

  • @CL2movies
    @CL2movies11 жыл бұрын

    This is why i love logitech.

  • @neoromeo7499
    @neoromeo749910 жыл бұрын

    Tell me why your g25/g27 wheels is too easy broken their optical encoder disk..its hard to find who sell this part actually.

  • @Muscleduck
    @Muscleduck11 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting!

  • @keenkennyny
    @keenkennyny11 жыл бұрын

    So I understand how with a mouse, there's a little camera in there taking pictures (or in these mice, sensors picking up light) in order to track the mouse's movement on a surface. But lets say that surface is completely smooth, and completely a solid color, like black? I'm very ignorant in this subject, can someone explain?

  • @stunthumb
    @stunthumb11 жыл бұрын

    My favorite Logitech mouse is the RX1000 - I mean not necessarily for gaming, it's a great mouse for artwork, I can draw a 1 pixel high line across the screen with this thing - it's insanely accurate, recommended for anyone looking for a less twitchy non-gaming mouse. I have a £60 gaming mouse from Razer, and I'd still give that up before the RX1000, which cost about £6.

  • @umbapumba35
    @umbapumba359 жыл бұрын

    oui oui baguette

  • @georget10i
    @georget10i10 жыл бұрын

    It would be awesome if they made a wireless version of Logitech G3. That was mouse was amazing!

  • @MeDoge351
    @MeDoge35111 жыл бұрын

    love my G3 also,,6years n still clicking :p about to buy G100s now, i hope they have same dimensions

  • @K1RKH4MM3T
    @K1RKH4MM3T11 жыл бұрын

    This is really cool. Do wacom next!

  • @CDRaff
    @CDRaff11 жыл бұрын

    Good on Logitech for recycling that Steelseries mouse box for storage.

  • @raimoa1ramsky
    @raimoa1ramsky10 жыл бұрын

    In my opinion Logitech has one of the best technical aspects and drivers, but it fails in the design / ergonomic aspects on the mouse. Also, once they release a design, it is very unlikely to change soon. If they think they achieved a good design, it will stay on the market unchanged for years and years.

  • 10 жыл бұрын

    I completely agree. I'd also say they are the most reliable gaming brand. You buy their product and you know it's going to last 4, 5 years (or more), unlike Razer's toys.

  • @WarnerKrause
    @WarnerKrause11 жыл бұрын

    Wow, very interesting video.

  • @user-tc2ky6fg2o
    @user-tc2ky6fg2o Жыл бұрын

    I bought a 3DConnexion Cadmouse a few years ago, and the buttons were loose, making noise when I did shake the mouse (in the air). I sent it back, I expected more from a professional mouse.

  • @kennyg1211
    @kennyg121111 жыл бұрын

    Loved the video, but I have a question that maybe someone in the comments can answer. Why is it that the lens used are all plastic, none of which glass? I guess I'm assuming that glass could be more accurate, but I have no idea. Thanks.

  • @Gigagamer74
    @Gigagamer7411 жыл бұрын

    Please, do something to block the mouse twist. When mouse do the twist move player can not understend the actualy mouse move and must look at a cursor to understend mouse tracking.

  • @chrisvighagen
    @chrisvighagen11 жыл бұрын

    It would be fun if they just let them talk and fixed it in post to a bite sized interview for those who just want the 5min cliff notes and then release the whole interview for geeks like me who do love to watch 30 minutes on the design of the mouse button.

  • @Ganym3de
    @Ganym3de11 жыл бұрын

    Yeah some places still have them. Just looked around. The Razer Ouroboros is a adjustable mouse as well. But is hard to find and stupid expensive right now as a result, sitting at $180USD O_o!

  • @TheCellCH
    @TheCellCH11 жыл бұрын

    woah you guys come to switzerland and didn't tell me about it :( would may meet you :D

  • @MobiusSeckOne
    @MobiusSeckOne11 жыл бұрын

    Did Logitech build sensor for them?

  • @GROENAASMusic
    @GROENAASMusic10 жыл бұрын

    "Might have heard of this company". I have Logitech keyboard, mouse and webcam, and it's my favorite computer accessories brand.

  • @40kq
    @40kq5 жыл бұрын

    0:13 the inside looks like a gaming car :O

  • @cjcabonargi

    @cjcabonargi

    3 жыл бұрын

    40kq plays omg so true lol I ly

  • @kokitoKOKO
    @kokitoKOKO11 жыл бұрын

    That was cool

  • @MrProgaming99
    @MrProgaming9911 жыл бұрын

    I love the g500s :)

  • @SatinFoxx
    @SatinFoxx11 жыл бұрын

    Logitech Razor and Steel Series. The only brands i trust for my gaming needs :)

  • @fallingbed1
    @fallingbed1 Жыл бұрын

    9 years late but damn let the dudes finish talking 💀💀

  • @heynando
    @heynando11 жыл бұрын

    uau cool... how about asking them permission so you could show us the other sectors, like the keyboard sector, the headphone/headset... controllers.. race wheels etcc would be AWESOME!

  • @jimblebee1
    @jimblebee111 жыл бұрын

    Damn it, Norm!

  • @zer0b0t
    @zer0b0t10 жыл бұрын

    Best test for me is making a 1 pixel dot, zoom in and try to put the pointer on top of it a few times.

  • @xusepos20
    @xusepos2011 жыл бұрын

    Logitech is in Lausanne Switzerland you say? Oh look, the Large Hadron Collider is just 60 km (40 miles) away. I wonder what the next video is going to be about :)

  • @DanHonnen
    @DanHonnen11 жыл бұрын

    You guys should tell them to develop more trackball mice!!!

  • @shimmikins
    @shimmikins11 жыл бұрын

    my thoughts exactly

  • @misterbalrog
    @misterbalrog11 жыл бұрын

    Lol, I couldn't stop hearing the ticking clock of the camera man :P

  • @keenkennyny
    @keenkennyny11 жыл бұрын

    Ah I see, so mice picks up irregularities on the surface and determines the movement, such as direction and speed by determining (lets say an irregular dot or pattern) moves past the sensor. So a solid black surface would be like shining a light into empty space, where you'd still see nothing.

  • @doomleika
    @doomleika10 жыл бұрын

    Now there's a fix in firmware, you might want to check it out

  • @kienocard
    @kienocard11 жыл бұрын

    this video gave me a hug nerd-on

  • @prestonbrown9324
    @prestonbrown932411 жыл бұрын

    I think he just gets excited during his interviews.

  • @blidge8282
    @blidge828211 жыл бұрын

    Could you give more info on the firmware or just link me to it? Thanks

  • @MYSOULOFDOOM

    @MYSOULOFDOOM

    3 жыл бұрын

    so how did that work out for ya ever get that info?

  • @TutorialsforYouAll
    @TutorialsforYouAll11 жыл бұрын

    Logitech G600 is also a MMO Mouse :)

  • @cruellordsoth
    @cruellordsoth11 жыл бұрын

    i have had my MX518 since like 2007

  • @samsoulee
    @samsoulee11 жыл бұрын

    DAT FRENCH ACCENT ! Naïce !

  • @87detto
    @87detto10 жыл бұрын

    "progress is constant" .... yyyyeah, sure. so that's why we get all the smoothing in our newest optical mice. bravo. -.-

  • @jordoncostello8641

    @jordoncostello8641

    10 жыл бұрын

    G502

  • @WilliamKalagayan
    @WilliamKalagayan3 жыл бұрын

    cool

  • @d33b33
    @d33b3311 жыл бұрын

    The gaming mice are brilliant; my MX518 is an extension of my right hand. But as a European, I can only buy the horrible UK keyboard layout for Logitech gaming keyboards. UK Layout has a slash key stuffed between the left shift and the z, which makes the left shift useless for its default sprinting function. I gotta use Razer gaming keyboards because Logitech refuses to sell US layout for gaming keyboards in Europe. It's like Logitech doesn't know about US-keyboard based standard game mapping.

  • @isashach
    @isashach11 жыл бұрын

    You guys went to Switzerland... and didn't tell anyone in advance??? Well that's nice to everyone who literally lives 20 minutes away from Logitech's HQ.

  • @muisix
    @muisix11 жыл бұрын

    i saw a steelseries packaging ~.~@12:01

  • @kurukq
    @kurukq10 жыл бұрын

    i have no idea whats going on

  • @riflebird789

    @riflebird789

    7 жыл бұрын

    same

  • @bucelliLeo
    @bucelliLeo3 жыл бұрын

    11:59 What? Steelseries?

  • @Leosanity
    @Leosanity10 жыл бұрын

    not as overpriced as Razer mice and stuff though, i honestly think logitech give u the best money for the value ur getting.

  • @ThunderKat

    @ThunderKat

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's the best way to put it...I got several mouse/head-set and even when they brake at the end I don't complain after been so cheap. New G502 was so cheap to adquire in my country and it has everything I needed, is not the perfect CS:GO but precision is great and does great job with the extra buttoms on every other game (including macros).

  • @JonatasMonte

    @JonatasMonte

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ThunderKat You're lucky then, G502 costs as much as a entry level/middle end smartphone where I live. It's almost the price of an entry headset.

  • @HeadshotaZ731

    @HeadshotaZ731

    4 жыл бұрын

    Logitech and Zowie

  • @xnamkcor
    @xnamkcor11 жыл бұрын

    I hate off-center sensors in mice. I like mine in the center. Usually just under the scroll wheel or more forward.

  • @xnamkcor
    @xnamkcor11 жыл бұрын

    It's been released.

  • @RebirthBeyond
    @RebirthBeyond11 жыл бұрын

    I really wish they would refresh the G9X.

  • @IsraelDixon
    @IsraelDixon11 жыл бұрын

    It's because he knows that the person wont explain what they are talking about . An engineer wont always think to explain the exact kind of light in a mouse or what kind of lenses it goes through, Because he already knows why. Just like in Adams weathering video, they aren't trying to prove what they know, they getting him to EXPLAIN why.

  • @iLoveEatingPie
    @iLoveEatingPie11 жыл бұрын

    No surface is completely smooth. The only limit is the sensitivity of the sensor.

  • @xnamkcor
    @xnamkcor11 жыл бұрын

    the color doesn't matter, it's the smoothness that affects it.

  • @tomg5516
    @tomg551611 жыл бұрын

    oh this is where Norm went.

  • @JonoLam
    @JonoLam11 жыл бұрын

    OATH to that brother ahah.

  • @influenza99
    @influenza9911 жыл бұрын

    Would have been nice to get a word from the button design/layout people.

  • @PhasedragonWF
    @PhasedragonWF11 жыл бұрын

    Razer naga. Now THAT'S a gaming mouse.

  • @wombatstevens7476
    @wombatstevens747611 жыл бұрын

    Right, gettin' all doe eyed float neck on em'.

  • @maxp112
    @maxp1128 жыл бұрын

    G502 FTW!!!

  • @mineturte

    @mineturte

    8 жыл бұрын

    lmao using it right now

  • @mineturte

    @mineturte

    8 жыл бұрын

    I want one of those JUST for geometry dash since the click rate is so damn high

  • @f40ph88

    @f40ph88

    7 жыл бұрын

    atleast logitech products actually last

  • @f40ph88

    @f40ph88

    7 жыл бұрын

    MrSwagdyPoop You got lucky my friend, Razers products are not super quality anymore and can usually break in the first year

  • @azael2078

    @azael2078

    6 жыл бұрын

    i have one for it lmao

  • @jengime
    @jengime11 жыл бұрын

    Leave Norm alone!!!

  • @ThoolooExpress
    @ThoolooExpress11 жыл бұрын

    Only a very good mouse will work on a smooth black surface. (I have experience with this problem.) Cheap mice won't work on solid black desks. It kind of sucks, as good mice are expensive, but less so than a new desk.

  • @fpsollie
    @fpsollie11 жыл бұрын

    steelseries box at 12:00 haha

  • @dorfschmidt4833
    @dorfschmidt483311 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately it is not manufactured in Swiss ;)

  • @MrBananapie89
    @MrBananapie8911 жыл бұрын

    12.00 I see something from steelseries

  • @bartgortworst328
    @bartgortworst32811 жыл бұрын

    Norm you're great just take it as constructive criticism

  • @aleks677
    @aleks67711 жыл бұрын

    Please make a new G9

  • @FilipexLaU
    @FilipexLaU11 жыл бұрын

    "...you might have heard of this company..." - Are you fucking serious?

  • @omrcz
    @omrcz11 жыл бұрын

    Also, I destroyed my mx310 (which was more comfortable for my hand back then) in 2 years, playing dota 1.

  • @awesomesirius
    @awesomesirius6 жыл бұрын

    cries in a4tech mouse

  • @stryker914
    @stryker91411 жыл бұрын

    IT'S PRONOUCED LOWS-ANNE

  • @andrewgrp36OveR
    @andrewgrp36OveR11 жыл бұрын

    All that research and still cannot fix the acceleration issue on the laser sensors.

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