Elias saying "unless you care to arrest me?" knowing FULL WELL that he is indeed the murderer is freaking cold

This entire archive has only one brain cell and Martin is the one that has it

@victoriandee963

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@briannabergman8381

4 жыл бұрын

I love Martin so much 😭😭

@mr.eeggbert1340

4 жыл бұрын

Shhh Martin your crush is showing

@kwasichan722

4 жыл бұрын

Ironic considering they’re supposed to be researchers

@pianos4095

4 жыл бұрын

It's TRUE and I cant decide if you should say it or not

I can relate, Martin. He's probably like "Why can't I just fall for a guy who's not emotionally unavailable and/or a suspected murderer?".

@bookfanatic8329

4 жыл бұрын

I thought he laughed because Jurgen branded his name on all those dangerous books and is ironically only considered a John Doe in death.

@mr.eeggbert1340

4 жыл бұрын

Shh Martin your crush is showing

@reeeraptor8

Ай бұрын

@@bookfanatic8329 martin never laughed this epsidoe that was elias

God this is creepier because we are used to the archivists reading someone else's statement, except this statement was never given, so that means Elias is probably just sitting there staring at Daisy calmly dictating all this while she slowly hyperventilates.

@rhodes449

Жыл бұрын

@cak01vej I dunno, she still has a weapon. Elias is powerful, but daisy is quite the hunter.

@rhodes449

Жыл бұрын

@cak01vej I mean, [spoiler] She is a hunter at the top of her game, at this point. She could kill Elias easily.

@hamburgerdog25

Жыл бұрын

The way I pictured it, she's sitting in John's chair while Elias is sitting in the guest chair and he's just staring off into space. At one point she gets up and backs away while he remains staring in that direction. And there are snapshots of the story, in my head its just scribbly silhouette cartoons, like if it were in a comic book. And then it just kind of goes back and forth between getting close up on Daisy with her back turned to Elias while he remains in that chair staring in that same direction, still talking, by now shes hyper ventilating. And then she turns around to see Elias right behind her, making eye contact, "end statement" And then I pictured by the end of it Elias at the far end of the room, the exit door in sight at the other farthest end, Daisy cursing him and leaving, Elias with a smug look on his face, and then the recorder stops on its own while he is still far away from it.

@adityanarain3271

9 ай бұрын

What gets me is that it is both a threat and a punishment.

@melissaharris3389

2 ай бұрын

​@@rhodes449regular police in Britain don't carry guns.

so this is where they start to realize a lot of things 1) The tape recorder seems to turn on at will 2) The boss has some kind of powers to manipulate people 3) Jon isn't at fault and most importantly... 4) Martin has a huge crush on Jon

@haiwasup3875

Жыл бұрын

Acurate summary

@rvdb9573

Жыл бұрын

Elias isn't manipulating people supernaturally. He knows everything and he knows that which gives him power abd more importantly confidence

@norab9112

11 ай бұрын

Start to realize? Honey, we’ve known that Martin has a giant fucking crush on Jon since we first heard them talking on the tapes, poor baby boy is not subtle about it. No but seriously, this is a very accurate description of what’s happening right now lmao

@melissaharris3389

2 ай бұрын

The only person at The Magnus Institute who _doesn't_ know Martin has a crush on Jon is Jon.

@Misty_Grey744

17 күн бұрын

@@melissaharris3389Even not!sasha knew🤣🤣😭

"unless you'd care to arrest me?" ELIAS----

@pathe8519

4 жыл бұрын

the BALLS on this man istg

@Iquey

3 жыл бұрын

I imagine him holding his wrists up like a cat with a devious little pout when he says this. It's too much to take. 😅

@ValerieEnriquez

Ай бұрын

That magnificent bastard.

Damn Elias literally read Daisy for filth

@mr.eeggbert1340

4 жыл бұрын

Dayum

@Driedleavesontrees

3 ай бұрын

(Rupaul’s voice) The library is open

god elias is so scary but im glad hes trying to make sure jon doesnt get arrested

@pianos4095

4 жыл бұрын

Yea

@Iquey

4 жыл бұрын

Is that better or worse!? I don't know at this point...

@mimkyodar

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iquey Yes.

@remingtonwright6796

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not. That f***er is up to something.

@net_spider

3 жыл бұрын

Um... wasn't Elias the one to "shut up" Lietner to begin with?

“Everyone I talked to said that you and him are close.” “💕💕did they???🥺🥺well I suppose😳😳”

@shineyfish

3 жыл бұрын

Martin my dearly beloved

@Vi_Vi_1

3 жыл бұрын

The way he suddenly switches to flustered and excited ahhhh 💕

@lilaboxx

3 жыл бұрын

Martin is this 🥺🥺🥺 emoji personified

@Phantom682

Ай бұрын

Not the official transcript saying Martin is “inexorably pleased” 🥰🥰🥰🥰

Elias's voice is so distinct here, which is nice because I usually have problems with differentiating between John and him, but man his confidence in not getting caught is kinda scary

@raebaer8580

2 жыл бұрын

Easily differentiating between Elias and Jon’s voice is the only good thing about Jon being continually deprived of sleep, physically assaulted, and emotionally traumatized. Like, does the voice sound vaguely confident or does it sound like a haunted Victorian doll whose witnessed the death of its mother?

@TimjanThyme

2 жыл бұрын

@@raebaer8580 im sorry but this is thE FUNNIEST DESCRIPTION IVE EVER READ OH mY GoD

"everyone calls me daisy because it sounds so gentle" WHEN I TELL YOU THAT MY JAW DROPPED

@cezar3169

3 жыл бұрын

same lol

@lilalino

2 ай бұрын

huh what why?

I lost it when Daisy called Elias "you weird little freak"

@jakubsyn

8 ай бұрын

Same xd

@bee8632

2 ай бұрын

Elias "weird little freak" Bouchard, my favorite TMA character

Probably unwise for a cop to allow for an audio recording when she's going to threaten to frame the person recording for murder. Martin was right, that's NOT how it works ;)

@BeautifulEarthJa

Жыл бұрын

It works like this all the time

@ironstorm1690

Жыл бұрын

Maybe not in the UK, but it is unfortunately often how it works in Freedom Land USA.

On the one hand, I don't like Daisy because she's such Cop™ and abuses her powers as an officer, so it was kinda satisfying to see her called out for it, on the other hand it was Elias doing it and he's a straight up murderer and used childhood trauma as a weapon against her. So, you know, bit of a mixed bag that. Fun episode, though!

@pianos4095

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with this assessment

@tylerasw5103

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like there’s a point at which no amount of childhood trauma can excuse your actions. Not sure where that point is, but I’m confident that becoming a serial killer is past that point.

@frostpersonal3758

3 жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly! she had such Cop™ vibes from her first statement and this was pretty satisfying to listen to, but the method of calling out was very much iffy. great episode.

@andreagreenwood93

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... I know he was a murderer but SOMEBODY needed to talk to her that way, and it wasn't going to be poor Martin, who she threatened to "pin it on." 😠

@KateCantDraw

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh, like it was more ok when she was going all bad cop on Elias but LEAVE MY BABY BEAN MARTIN ALONE!!!!

"Bring her back safe, Ok?" Martin... oh... :(

@jadynnkotch1833

4 жыл бұрын

I WILL NOT STAND TO SEE MARTIN UPSET OVER SASHA'S DEATH >:c

Every benign god in the universe please preserve Martin. Precious bean, always wishing for the best Also: "they said you were close" "Did they? 😳"

@jadynnkotch1833

4 жыл бұрын

**gay panic**

@jessbailie3539

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh he's so cute 😍🥺

@F00f00cuddlyp00ps

2 жыл бұрын

He really said 👉👈

@vguerrero1433

2 жыл бұрын

I'm new to this ship. Where did it begin? How?

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

@@vguerrero1433 Probably when Jon was all protective of Martin after the "Jane Prentiss was on the other side of my door for two weeks straight" incident, and Martin was all surprised and touched... and then at the end of S1 they had a heart-to-heart chat.

"you can't! th-that's not how this works! :c issss it...?" MARTIN YOU ARE PRECIOUS T^T

Shh Martin your crush is showing

@mr.eeggbert1340

4 жыл бұрын

Shh Martin you crush is showing

@debbiebishop86

4 жыл бұрын

Shh Martin you crush is showing

@mr.eeggbert1340

4 жыл бұрын

@@debbiebishop86 shh Martin your crush is showing

@nuggs5509

4 жыл бұрын

CRUSH IS SHOOOOOOWING!

@DrMDHyde

4 жыл бұрын

Supposed.

I feel like Elias, The archive, or Jon has weird recording powers, which is hella sweet actually.

@user-sb4ej1yo5h

3 жыл бұрын

In Daisy's last appearance I became convinced John can force people to answer his questions. "Do you mind me asking about your first section 31?" "Yes, I do . . . Alright I'll tell you everything" "No, I am done talking" "Do you know anything about vampires?" "Yes, and I'll tell you everything again"

@albuseisenhorn3385

Жыл бұрын

@@user-sb4ej1yo5h Plus the tape recorder that wouldn't turn off

"everyone I've talked to said you were close." "wot? Did they- I mean, I-I-I guess more than the rest if I'm being honest- (◍•ᴗ•◍)" Martin do you really have it THAT bad for Jon that you can't even THINK straight for a murder conversation with a police officer??

@user-dv6lm9xi1w

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. The answer is yes.

@bandidocavalier

2 жыл бұрын

i mean when its about jon how can u blame him ,,

@ShadowyMiles

2 жыл бұрын

"Think straight when thinking or talking about Jon" 😂 Farthest from straight ever.

@shadowgrayson

8 ай бұрын

I physically felt him blush and turn to scratch his neck

Ok so Elias is some sorta supernatural dude right? this episode was amazing. I kinda love him

@Mondy667

4 жыл бұрын

Look for podcast apps and search Magnus institute

@late_prince8945

4 жыл бұрын

I think that's the power of the Eye

@simonstern2572

4 жыл бұрын

What a Power move

@fish3977

Жыл бұрын

@@late_prince8945 pretty sure that the Jon has been doing something on a far less over fashion trough the series as well

7:00 "John Doe"? remembering an old joke ? I'm reminded of those freaky medical students from an earlier episode

@pianos4095

4 жыл бұрын

Same!!!!!

@catfoy8888

4 жыл бұрын

I think it was a reference to the fact that Leitner wanted to be remembered and now he’s just a John Doe

@vn2709

3 жыл бұрын

@@catfoy8888 i was thinking of joe spooky too

Me, a simple man, getting a crush on Elias: hope this doesn't awaken anything in me

@heyLaina

3 жыл бұрын

I am so concerned for you.

@calebdouglas2512

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a Community reference?

@nooneimportant7736

3 жыл бұрын

HOLY SHIT SAME THIS EPISODE WAS JUST 😳

@computergutz4736

3 жыл бұрын

HAHA YEAH SAME LMAO

@katara2021

3 жыл бұрын

Same

Really like the wordplay for the title of this episode. The Eyewitnesses as in the standard sense of the term, but also because the Magnus Institute is associated with "the Eye" and they all work for the magnus institute, so they're the Eye Witnesses.

@tearez13

3 жыл бұрын

I notices that when Jon read the title in the begining of the episode he puts the emphasis on the 'eye' in such a way that it almost sounds like he's saying Eye Witnesses instead of Eyewitnesses.

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

@@tearez13 Yesss "The EYE witnesses" it's SO GOOD

@doozerpindan

Жыл бұрын

And Elias, who serves The Eye, witnesses Daisy's crimes.

@user-ku9xx1gw3v

Ай бұрын

​@@doozerpindanElias, serve the Eye🌝🌝🌝

Martin getting excited that he and Jon are seen as close is everything

Martins gay panic when he was asked if he was close with john

the tape recorder has been featured so much it has become sentient

Wait the recorder turns on by itself? Nice... Also Martin is the best

13:45: "He started getting into fights. Everyone just assumed he was turning into a teenager" Classic example of the "boys will be boys" bullshit. All in all, great episode with spot on social commentary

Gotta love Elias in this episode. He is scary as hell, but in a way more efficient and clean way than most of the other forces here^^

Guys can we have Elias and Daisy go into a gladiatorial pit and brawl it out?

@lathyrusloon

11 ай бұрын

I'm... pretty sure that's what just happened and Elias wrecked her.

"just remembering a joke" when she mentions the name John Doe. Did he send the anatomy students to that poor professor??!? 👀

@cezar3169

3 жыл бұрын

Ive never thought of that. That's genius

@FeeneyFam1

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, they seem to be part of different entities. The students are close to normal but wrong whereas Elias is one of the watchers

@Emidretrauqe

2 жыл бұрын

John Doe is just a term for someone unidentified, which is the opposite of what Leitner wanted to be.

"Bring her back safe, okay." just emotionally destroyed me.

“You weird little freak.”

I can’t tell if Martin’s having a puppy crush or a gay crush..

@tillmancat

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@littleintrovert7469

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@grogdocr

3 жыл бұрын

Would you believe you're completely right?

Elias is such a sassy being when it comes. How lovely

"Statement ungiven" CHILLS MAN

Elias delivering a read that even the harshest of drag queens would stutter at this episode

@anromeow

3 жыл бұрын

Bianca del Rio found shaking in her boots

ACAB- I was not expecting to root for Elias so hard after finding out about what he did but here we are

@soulgalaxywolf1024

Жыл бұрын

Hah. Kinda same to be honest. Its annoyed me so much that Daisy was being so aggressive. Loved that Elias called her out on it. Imagine having someone know all the details of something in your life, including what most didn't believe. Her breathing near the end gave an idea, lol.

@Shemagh4

10 ай бұрын

Stfu with your acab. Police are incompetent, but not all are bastards.

No one: Absolutely no one: Me: Martin is baby and I would kill or be killed for him

@ssundiall2

4 жыл бұрын

HE! IS! BABY! and i love him

“Did they say that?? 😳😳😳” awww Martinnnn ❤️

Martin's sudden shift to surprised delight when Daisy says he and Jon are regarded as close is so cute oml

It actually kind of made me nauseous how accurate Elias impression of Daisy seems... Like, she'd tell her statement just like that.

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr and the change in his voice immediately when the statement ended was chilling.

@melissaharris3389

2 ай бұрын

Ben Meredith's performance in this episode is great.

okay the way Elias shifts when he starts to read out Daisies statement, WITHOUT ANY PAPERWORK OR FILE, definitely makes me think this eye or beholding or whatever possesses statement recorders/archivists so that they become said person when giving the statement. Would explain why Jon has had to catch his breath after reading a few of the more intense ones I.e. Prentiss

Geez, Elias is genuinely rather terrifying. Edit: Two months and over 80 episodes later and I think this was a bit of an understatement.

@sierrapaige6326

3 жыл бұрын

Welp this is ominous and I'm scared for the future episodes (this is my first time through)

@mackenziedillon295

3 жыл бұрын

@@sierrapaige6326 Sweetie, it'll be a wild ride.

@sierrapaige6326

3 жыл бұрын

@@mackenziedillon295 I'm now on #97 and I'm starting to get a glimpse at how wild it is although I know there's tons more

I think Elias is the Eye Laitner talked about

the "bring her back safe, okay?" absolutely destroyed me

is Elias the Eye? im really conflicted about what to feel about him... like, i like that he seems somewhat protective of jon but,,, he's also e x t r e m e l y terrifying... and in this episode he came off as scary, threatening and badass at the same time, while in ep80 he was just scary... but like, is he the Eye? is that why he knows everything? except he seemed surprised when he saw jurgen...

@pianos4095

4 жыл бұрын

I have no clue how to feel either, the man is wack but also he seems real worried about john???? And also idk why but he really reminded me of micheal in the way he acted this episode so like maybe he's the eye????

@samarahochstapler2522

4 жыл бұрын

they're both just aspects

@itstictac2825

4 жыл бұрын

I don't really think he's "worried" about John, or anyone, in any way whatsoever. He just didn't want the police to expose to the public than they thought the "former" Archivist is suspected of murder. Not good for the reputation, you know... I mean, he deadass told her "oh, if you find John, kill him quickly, don't know what he's capable of". He could be this Eye, or at least a "part" of it, given his knowledge, and also the buzzing on the recording when he described Daisy's past experience. We know from Not!Sasha and Michael ("Spiral") that's it's often the proof that paranormal powers are at use. Whatever he is, he is connected to knowledge, and dedinitely not human

@nanahuatli2144

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he cares about Jon, only about the Archive and the power it houses. I wondeer if he'd die if the Institue was destroyed.

@mimkyodar

4 жыл бұрын

He's not the Eye , like Michael isn't the Spiral and Not!Sasha isn't the Stranger. They represent the bigger.

@ people who started getting a crush on Elias right after he pipe-murdered an old man: are you okay? Not judging; genuinely concerned

@deanial_losechester5848

Жыл бұрын

That confidence tho??

@takeoats

Жыл бұрын

well

@shenanya7180

Жыл бұрын

brutal pipe murder is hot ok

@marylii04

Жыл бұрын

Not really, no

@heatherramirez6141

Ай бұрын

First time listener here. I’m okay! It’s just… the voice is very strong and confident and… look shut up I’m fine it’s just something about the- I’M DONE TALKING

“Everyone said you two are close” Martin: W… what?! No! I mean… they said that? I mean I wouldn’t say CLOSE close but if you consider daydreaming about him, constantly worrying for his well-being, and going out of my way to impress him “close” then sure

@TaryMeel

11 ай бұрын

Man pulled a "teehee 😮😊👉👈❤"

Daisy calling Elias a “weird little freak” rlly did something to me 😳😳

"you think we should look for OTHER SUSPECTS?" Asked the DETECTIVE

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

I hated her so much during this ep.

OMG Elias pulled the most boss move. I can almost imagine a deadpan yet confident stare making someone uncomfortable.

Wow you can hear Daisy breathing heavily and I love it

It's so well written and entertaining. They way these stories are told, it just keeps getting better and better.

The way Martin gets kinda excited about the fact that people were saying him and Jon were close 🥺

Elias said "just remembering an old joke" at the John Doe remark... I wonder... if it's a reference to the Anatomy episode. I'm probably reading too much into it, though.

@f_mva

3 жыл бұрын

that's the only other time i remember the name popping up

@fluffsnake

3 жыл бұрын

@@sunspott1952 true true 😂

@nemodra4790

2 жыл бұрын

John Doe is a placeholder name. Students in the anatomy episode used placeholder names of their respective countries.

N o t Martin being flattered at being the only one everyone thinks is "close to jon", the little "wot" Such a cute boi

"statement never given" is such a powerful line. I love how bad and spooky Elias is

3:20 as much as I shipped it, I’ve been very skeptical about Martin having an actual crush on Jon. This confirmed it for me lol

Wow. It's insane how easily Elias shut Daisy down. So I guess it's safe to assume that Daisy's a dirty cop right?

Damn Elias went full savage mode

I love this episode because it shows how terrifying a follower of The Eye can be.

Damn Elias, what a powermove

Weird hearing an ep where all of John's voice is the beginning and end

I love Martin 20/10 would die for him

Elias is clearly evil but damn he's great

Elias is morally ambiguous and I kind of like that!

@tearez13

3 жыл бұрын

"Morally ambiguous" yes, he just murdered a man in coldblood, very ambiguous indeed. 😹

@katara2021

3 жыл бұрын

@@tearez13 Leitner killed like 20 of his assistants, what's your point?

@christopherfloody5555

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody said leitner was morally grey though. Hes a bastard

@hircenedaelen

10 ай бұрын

@@katara2021 have you considered they're both bad

@sebastienmccarthy1483

Ай бұрын

No…Elias is straight up an evil bastard, but I love how he went in on daisy in this episode

Beholding : The Eye/Observer/Vigilant/Watcher/Witness I had assumed that The Archive was aligned with such a thing; something terrifying and clever. I'm glad we got to see Elias in action so soon; showing us what an acolyte of The Eye is capable of. I hope we see Jon lean into it; maybe eventually unseating Elias if he proves to be... antagonistic. I do wonder though: Did Elias research "Daisy" prior to this confrontation because it is in his nature (as an Acolyte of The Eye) to stay informed, OR did he invoke a power akin to Jon's-Statement-Reading; embodying the Statement-Giver, but without using a written conduit... maybe using Daisy's herself as the means to "focus" it? Curious. I can't wait to learn more...

Elias is an interesting character as he doesn't seem to be evil rather than ruthlessly straight neutral, the ACAB angle makes me like him more too

I wonder about the pause in Tim’s statement... he said to turn it off and the detective didnt protest so why did they put it on again to record the questioning? Was it because being in the archive they felt compelled to or do Tim with Jon disappearing still have some lingering attachment to him and his “stupid recorder”?

@lordbaphie

4 жыл бұрын

I think the recorder turned automatically, without anyone pressing it. Since the two are used to the supernatural, they thought it's best to just leave it be.

@jellywiish1340

4 жыл бұрын

@@lordbaphie Having gotten a bit further in TMA I think that could be a very plausible reason defintely! The tape recorder enigma just keeps growing.... Guess I just hoped for some sentimentality between Tim and Jon :')

@nanahuatli2144

4 жыл бұрын

@@jellywiish1340 When the recording resumes she goes "Huh." That sounds to me like she's surprised, and it aligns with the idea of the recorder turning itself back on. Martin and Tim are also unaware of it being turned on in the last part. I think it moves on its own.

man, i hate Daisy. weirdly enough it was satisfying to hear her have to deal with Elias.

@gayminggaymers6491

3 жыл бұрын

Saaammme

I can’t get over how similar Elias and Jon sound… of course, the confidence in Elias’s voice sets it apart from Jon’s, but the voices themselves are incredibly alike. Also, to be honest, I stan Elias in this episode.

why did the Slaughter send a naked man to tell a child to kill another child what

@AlexDeMiro

4 жыл бұрын

It was The Hunt.

@regicider3505

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlexDeMiro that turned daisys best friend into a bully?

@lydiac9118

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexDeMiro what's the difference between the Slaughter and the Hunt??

@AlexDeMiro

3 жыл бұрын

@@lydiac9118 slaughter is man-made (think war and premeditated murder), the hunt is primeval (tge sensation of stalking, running after a prwy, catching and killing it) I may have been actually wrong about that comment

@lydiac9118

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexDeMiro so Slaughter would be what possessed the Chinese man who killed his wife and ran the Kebab place in season 2 (the episode that opened with the subject saying he may have accidentally eaten human meat before) and Hunt would be what possessed the "wolf man" in the old statement where the subject was hunting on the Appellation trail with his buddy??

Elias mocking Daisy has me like PogChamp 👀 🙊

you can practically hear Elias twirling his mustache while he talks

Finally Daisy is getting the talk-back she deserves.

10:10 I swear, I can sense he smiled at that.

I don't know how any of these people trust doors anymore. Like I'd never ever be touching a door again. Like ever.

Could Elias possibly be Calvin Benchly, a monster endorsed by and acting for one of the Powers?? And they brought him back after Daisy took care of him? Or is Calvin the landlord guy from the Pest control episode with the starburst chest scar??

@cezar3169

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexDeMiro spoiler?

@AlexDeMiro

3 жыл бұрын

@@cezar3169 just a lucky guess - at the time. Imma delete the comment now, you're right.

@cezar3169

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexDeMiro its fine, really. Im a first time listener but its pretty obvious about who elias works for...

@mimkyodar

2 жыл бұрын

No. Calvin was some guy that Daisy killed. The landlord was Arthur Nolan. Elias is actually Elias.

@jazzyboxer

Жыл бұрын

@@mimkyodar definitely just Elias

First half I hated Elias, for putting Jon in such a situation. But then he started standing up for Jon and being badass, and I TAKE THAT BACK Elias you are awesome.

@emilybarclay8831

Жыл бұрын

Ohohoh you are gonna regret saying that so much

@Hannah-kb5qo

Ай бұрын

Welp- this comment aged well…

@annalise9011

Ай бұрын

I already do

the idea of Elias just sitting there, the cocky bastard he is, just narrating a traumatic event in Daisy's life, probably staring dead at Daisy as she slowly loses her shit is so .. evil bastard love that for him and hNfhsbf there's just something abt Tim cutting himself off when talking abt disappearing and the assumptions on one's cause of death...? like that was a personal cord that was struck like he knows that feeling it just feels odd dunno

I can admire this podcasts ability to make me like a murderer cause he talked down a negligent and megalomaniac cop looking for an easy open and shut case

...is it? with that rising pitch, omg XD Martin you slay me every damn time. 2:50

My theory from this episode and what we know so far: Apparently, once you've come in contact with one of those entities, you are never fully free of them. Once again, we have a person who's very deep in the supernatural to be showing that they had an experience with one of the entities when they were younger. I don't know though if it's because these people have been marked or because once you experience it, your senses become more keen to distinguish them. I wonder which entity that was. Only thing I could get from it was pain or rage/wrath. Have we heard already about an entity like that? I don't think so, unless maybe that werewolf creature? Elias was probably once a human but no longer is, just like Michael. He knows it all and sees it all, as the eye entity. And for the tape recorders keep turning on and off on their own, it makes me believe even more that Gertrude's consciousness is alive in those tape recorders, and she turns on when useful info is mentioned, in order for them to be recorder. Or Elias and the eye have control over the recorders and they are the ones who open them when it's needed. Lastly, "The Eyewitnesses" 👀

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

It sounded kind of like War in ''The Piper'', with the mention of a naked body covered in wounds, driving humans to kill each other. Ooooh Gertrude living on in the tape recorders is so sweet and weird, like it lets her stay on and look after the next Archivist, if it's the case!

@evagrev7351

2 жыл бұрын

@@-S.L. Yes, thank you, the entity in this episode and the Piper resemble each other. I went back and read a bit the transcript of "the Piper" and there there was also a mention about that person who was "spared" from the Piper that he was very aggressive during the fighting, so these two episodes are most likely linked to the same entity. As for the tape recorders, sometimes it seems like they open in order to "help" John and the rest understand some stuff or just to watch them over, but sometimes it seems like there is a sinister reason why they open when they do.. I believe that, just like Michael and Elias, Gertrude became part of the Eye as well, so even after her mortal death her soul is still linked with the Eye. Like the ghosts inside this series' universe, I believe the ghosts are only manifestations of people who were part of the entities and they still appear to do the entities' biding while still holding some of their personal characteristics in their behavior, and also their memories as mortals. It's really interesting to see how the story will unfold and learn how things really are in this series' universe.

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

@@evagrev7351 Yesss there's so much to make notes about and puzzle over when it comes to TMA.

@vera-whatsurdiscord

2 жыл бұрын

i would have to say that elias is and definitely was human, just maybe powerful or knows what to do in the way leitner used to

Elias is my favorite character he’s so blatantly EVIL

"Bring her back safe ok?" Oh Martin... I wish I really do

please tell me i’m not the only one who is developing some sort of weird crush on elias

Martin is so squishy. How did he get caught up all in this? I want to bury him in bubble wrap with a breathing tube & protect him at all costs

lmao this ep is just lowkey a 1v1 between two asshole murderers, i love it

[CLICK] DAISY Fine. MARTIN Sorry. I just… I feel more comfortable with it on. DAISY I said it was fine. MARTIN Yeah, right, so, um… Statement of Martin Blackwood, interviewed by Detective D- Tonner. February 18th, two thousand and- DAISY What are you doing? MARTIN I… I’m making a statement. Isn’t that what you want? My statement? DAISY No. I just need you to answer the question. MARTIN Oh. Okay. I mean, y-you wanted a statement last time. About…it was… when I found Gertrude. Or at least your partner did. DAISY Didn’t know who the killer was last time. This time it’s simpler. And… And Basira’s not a police officer anymore. MARTIN Oh. Look, y-you’re sure it was him? I mean, I know, I know… but I can’t… He wouldn’t! … I… I don’t think it was him. DAISY You think we should be looking for other suspects? MARTIN Wh- N-No! No, I mean, not- Look, that tape that we gave you… DAISY Has a lot of distortion, some screaming and a recording of you seeing the body, you claim for the first time. Always suspicious when two suspects are each other’s only alibi. MARTIN I told you that there was someone else there. It may… DAISY Which one should we be asking, by the way? The man with the knife hands or the woman trapped in your ‘magic corridors’? MARTIN It happened. DAISY Well, if your witnesses appear back in this universe, maybe the situation will change. Otherwise, it’s an easy choice: answer my question or I pin it on you. MARTIN Y-You can’t! Th-That’s not how this works. … Is it? DAISY Let me tell you how this works, Mr. Blackwood. I’ve got a hell of a workload, no partner and full operational discretion to make this whole situation go away. That means you help me or I make things very unpleasant for you. MARTIN But you’re the police! DAISY So, help me stop a killer. Where is Jonathan Sims? MARTIN [Pause] I don’t know. DAISY Don’t lie to me. MARTIN I don’t! DAISY Everyone I’ve talked to says you and him were close. MARTIN What? [Inordinately pleased] Did they? I mean… I mean, who said that? I, I, I guess, I mean, more than the rest, yeah okay, but- DAISY Did he have any other friends? Anyone outside the Institute he might have talked to? MARTIN I… No, I don’t really… think so. I don’t, don’t think he had much of a life outside of this place. DAISY There’s nowhere? No-one he might turn to? MARTIN He never talked about his friends, worked all hours… No. I’m sorry. DAISY [Sigh] Right. Get lost. Send Stoker in. MARTIN That’s it? DAISY Unless you know something else. MARTIN What about Sasha? DAISY [Sigh] No sign of her body here or in the tunnels. No any evidence she was the victim of violence. Maybe she saw the murder, or caught Sims smashing up the storage room, and took off. Maybe she’s with him. Or he killed her too. Either way, quicker I find him, the better for her, so if there is anything you’re not telling me… MARTIN No. I just… Bring her back safe, okay? … I’ll send Tim in. [DOOR OPENS] [DOOR CLOSES] DAISY Tim Stoker. … That your name? TIM Yeah.

@petraivan6778

4 жыл бұрын

DAISY You want me to leave this running? TIM No. You can turn it off. [CLICK] [CLICK] DAISY Hm. TIM Huh. Seems about right. Look, just… just leave it on or do you want to do this somewhere else? DAISY It’s fine. TIM Suppose you want my statement? DAISY I just need anything you know on the possible whereabouts of Jonathan Sims. Anywhere he feels safe, any friends or associates he might turn to? TIM No. DAISY You’re sure? Nothing that might help me find him? If you’re hiding something out of some sort of loyalty… TIM [Bitter laugh] Look, if I knew, I’d tell you. We haven’t talked too much lately. DAISY And you haven’t seen Sasha James either? TIM No. You think she’s dead? DAISY Can’t say yet. But looking at it, yeah, I think Sims killed her too. TIM Sounds right. More bodies for the archive. DAISY You’ve got quite a turnover. Anything you want to tell me about it? TIM [Snort] Yeah, don’t take a job here. DAISY Oh… [amused grunt] You’re done, Mr Stoker. Send in Bouchard. [DOOR OPENS] [DOOR CLOSES] DAISY Elias Bouchard? ELIAS Correct. DAISY Sit. [CHAIR SHIFTS] ELIAS So, what can I do to help? You want my account? My sworn testimony? My statement? DAISY What is…? No. Just a couple of questions. ELIAS Of course. DAISY I don’t suppose you know how to turn this off? ELIAS Oh, leave it running. I’m sure John will want to review the tapes when he gets back. DAISY So you don’t think he did it? ELIAS Killed a man in cold blood? Certainly not. He doesn’t have the stomach for it. DAISY People can surprise you. ELIAS In John’s case, I rather hope so. DAISY You want him to be a murderer? ELIAS Have you had any luck identifying the body yet? … Well? DAISY I’m the one asking the questions. ELIAS Very well, then I suppose this interview is over. Unless you care to arrest me? DAISY [Pause] The victim isn’t someone we have on file. Doesn’t match any missing persons. Still a John Doe. [ELIAS CHUCKLES] I say something funny? ELIAS Nothing. Just remembering an old joke. DAISY Right. So. Do you know anything about the current whereabouts of Jonathan Sims? Anywhere he might be staying? Any friends he might have contacted? ELIAS I do. DAISY … Well? ELIAS I was wondering. Is it worth it? Operating the way that you do? DAISY Just answer the question. ELIAS Does the lack of oversight make up for the lack of support?

@petraivan6778

4 жыл бұрын

DAISY What do you know about the current whereabouts of Jonathan Sims? ELIAS Everything. I know exactly where he is and who is with him. But I don’t think I’m going to tell you. DAISY I can drag this down to the station if you want, you weird little freak. Maybe Sims didn’t do this alone. ELIAS Please, Detective Tonner. You don’t want this to happen in the police station any more than I do. Your superiors, exactly how aware are they of what you’re doing right now? DAISY They know enough. They got a call and sent me down here. That’s how it works. ELIAS And then they don’t ask any questions, as long as you keep it far away from official police channels. Except your partner leaving has made you sloppy. No notes, no proper interrogations, no back-up of any sort. You’ve barely collected a scrap of evidence from the scene and made no official record of the dozens of interviews you’ve done with the Institute staff. You haven’t even followed up on any of the other potential suspects or leads, and shown no interest at all in the fate of Sasha James. All you care about is where John is, because you’ve decided on a course of action, and you’re going to follow it through. DAISY … If you’re right, what’s to stop me kicking your teeth in? No cameras down here, remember. I can always just turn off that little recorder of yours. Smash it up. ELIAS Very true. However, you aren’t going to do that, Detective. Because of Calvin Benchley. DAISY What? ELIAS Calvin Benchley. You recognise the name, don’t you Alice? You see, I know what you did. DAISY I… don’t know what you’re talking about. ELIAS No? The scar may have faded, but you haven’t forgotten. Did it itch, just a little, when you were burying him? DAISY You shut the hell up, or I swear I’ll kill you. ELIAS A genuine threat, I’m sure, but right now what you’re really trying to figure out is, if I have any evidence that could make it back your people. It seems impossible, of course, how could I? But you just don’t know. So many impossible things happen in here, in this strange musty place. DAISY Shut up! ELIAS Here’s what’s going to happen. I’m going to make a statement. Your statement. To prove to you what I know, and because I want John to hear it someday. And when it’s over, you are going to leave. Because if you don’t, I’ll make sure your superiors know all about every nasty little thing you’ve done in the name of peace and order, and I’ll make sure they are subject to the scrutiny they so desperately want to avoid. More importantly, I’ll make sure they know it has all been exposed because of you. Is that clear? … I will take that as a yes. If you’re smart, you’ll go back to the police station and put forward some half-baked cover-up for what happened to your mystery corpse and leave it at that. But I don’t think you are smart, so in many ways I’m excited to find out what you do next. … Statement of Alice Tonner, regarding the crimes and death of Calvin Benchley. Statement never given. DAISY Don’t. ELIAS (STATEMENT) Everyone calls me Daisy. I like that because it sounds so gentle, and I’m the only one left who knows about the scar on my back. It doesn’t really look like a daisy, more like a starburst, but it’s what the doctor said when I got it, so that’s how I’ve always seen it. It makes me feel strong, to know that the soft nickname everyone calls me comes from a bloody wound. And I like to feel strong. To be in control. DAISY I’m going to kill you, someday. ELIAS (STATEMENT) When I was eleven, I had a best friend, and his name was Calvin Benchley. We didn’t hang out at school much because his friends said I couldn’t play with them because I was a girl. But every day after getting home we’d go to the nearby park and play. It was small, just a scrap of grass and dirt, but if you hopped the fence to the south you could get into the cemetery, and if you went the other way you got into an old building site. The fence on that side was broken and jagged, but it collapsed enough that it was easy to climb over it, into the half-built structure. Our parents had forbidden us from playing there. It was collapsing, as well as being a known hang-out for vagrants and druggies. We would take turns daring each other to go in there. That day, I dared him. That’s why it was my fault. DAISY Shut up. It wasn’t my fault. ELIAS (STATEMENT) We had been in the park, when there had been shouting from the building site. Crashes. Violence. Then a long silence. I dared him to take a look, and when he didn’t want to, I started making fun of him. So in he went. When he didn’t come back, I decided he was just trying to spook me. But after fifteen minutes I decided he wasn’t. I wanted to run away and get my mum, but I was frightened of getting in trouble, so instead I followed Calvin over the fence. Inside were the first two dead bodies I had ever seen. They looked like they had attacked each other with broken glass. One lay impaled on a broken bottle, still holding the long shard of glass that jutted out of the other’s throat. There was blood everywhere. I felt a rush of fear, and a strange sort of excitement. DAISY You can’t know that.

@petraivan6778

4 жыл бұрын

ELIAS (STATEMENT) On a broken staircase above them, stood Calvin staring at me with vacant eyes. Standing behind him I saw something. A hunched figure. I think it was naked. I couldn’t see anything except pale flesh and the vivid red of cuts and injuries. Every inch of its body appeared to be covered in open wounds, but no blood seemed to flow from them. The thing was utterly still, save for a lipless, scabby mouth, which moved so fast it was almost a blur, silently mouthing words that only Calvin could hear. I know they were for him, because with each movement of its jaw, the thing’s long, pointed black tongue would shoot out and flick itself into his ear. He was completely expressionless as that crooked, cut-up figure whispered to him and flicked at his ear with a barbed tongue. DAISY No. ELIAS (STATEMENT) Then Calvin’s eyes turned to me. Without hesitation or expression he began running, sprinting right at me. I tried to get away, but he was faster, and slammed into me, pushing off my feet and into the rusted fence behind me. There was an explosion of pain in my back, as jagged metal embedded itself in my shoulder, and then it went dark. The last thing I remember before the hospital was the fierce pride on Calvin’s face as he stood there. No-one believed me about what happened. Calvin said that I had tripped and fallen, and that was the story everyone accepted, but after that he was different. Moody. He started getting into fights. Everyone just assumed he was turning into a teenager, but six children at my school were seriously injured or killed by the time he left for university. All accidents, of course, nothing that would have pointed to him. But I was always careful around him, the daisy-scar on my back a constant reminder that we were not friends, that he was no longer to be trusted. I told people, but he seemed to feed on the uneasy glances of his classmates, and took great pleasure in scaring them further. Even after school, I kept an eye on him but I couldn’t believe he had never been arrested. I later got a look at his file and found out that he had been, but they’d never been able to make anything stick. He was smart and careful. We once almost nailed him for aggravated assault, but the victims changed their story and said they were the ones who attacked him. DAISY You’ve made your point. ELIAS (STATEMENT) Six years ago, Calvin Benchley became the first human being I murdered. I beat him round the head as he was coming out of a bar, drove him to my usual spot and shot him five times in the chest with a handgun taken from the evidence lock-up. He didn’t beg for his life. He didn’t say a word. I don’t think he even recognised me. He was harder to get rid of than the vampires, but I managed it. And nobody asked any questions at all. He was a scumbag, and nobody wants to risk getting a Section 31. He was the first human I dealt with like that, but he certainly wasn’t the last. ELIAS Do I need to go on, Detective Tonner? … Good. Feel free to see yourself out. If you take any action against myself or this Institute, I will ensure the police become aware of your crimes in a way that cannot ignored or covered up. I leave the matter of Jonathan Sims up to you, though I will not tell you where he is. I suggest you close the case and move on, but if you find yourself unable to do so, my advice is to kill him quickly. There’s no telling what he might be capable of. [CHAIR MOVES AND DOOR OPEN.] DAISY One day, someone is going to kill you. I really hope it’s me. [DOOR SLAMS] ELIAS Good day, Detective. [CLICK] [CLICK] MARTIN - but she looked like she’d seen a, well, you know… TIM So? MARTIN So, I’m just saying, she spends all that time in there with Elias, and then leaves like that? Maybe he told her something. TIM Or maybe she just hates it here. Like a normal person. MARTIN Maybe they said something about Sasha, y’know? TIM She’s dead, Martin. Come on! Even you’re not that blind. He got her too. MARTIN Don’t you say that. Don’t you dare say that! TIM I didn’t. It was that detective. Y-You try talking to her about it? MARTIN She didn’t care. Just wanted to know where he was. TIM Makes sense. MARTIN No. No it doesn’t! Nothing about this makes sense! I don’t know who that old man was, but John would never hurt Sasha. TIM Fine. If it wasn’t him, it must have been that thing we saw. MARTIN It was only for a second. And what with that weird finger guy, and the door… I mean, it d-didn’t look like her. TIM It did. You know it did. Maybe it ate her. Maybe it was her. Maybe she was always some messed up mutant and we just never noticed. Could have been ‘Michael’. I mean, it basically told us it was working with John. When you disappear and there are more than three different ways you might be dea- Look, I’m sorry. It’s just this place. [Sigh] Bad things happen and eventually you don’t come back. MARTIN T-Tim… TIM I’m going to go lie down. MARTIN Tim, we’ve got to talk about this! [DOOR OPENS] [MARTIN SIGHS] Huh. [Calling after] Tim? Tim, did you turn the reco- [CLICK]

@islaridland

3 жыл бұрын

Thankz!!!\=^=/

@petraivan6778

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :)

Elias really said ACAB didn't he? 👀

elias rly did say acab huh

I keep hearing that there's a statement for everyone's specific fears. Weirdly, I think this one's mine. Until now, I thought "my" statements were probably the ocean, the caves, or even Insomnia, but those things don't scare me, they just intrigue me. But the concept of someone being able to violate the sanctity of my mind. To just reach in and take whatever essence of me they want with absolutely no defenses against it. I don't even have any particularly life-ending secrets, but I'm a very private person, and that idea *terrifies* me. I used to think the Eye was a bit lacking in its horror factor compared to the more standard fears like the Hive, the Stranger, the End, etc. But, yeah, this statement showed me how terrifying the eye can actually be. I may not think Daisy is a good person, but I deeply resonate with how repulsed she is by her secrets getting torn out of her against her will like that. It disturbs me in a way none of the other statements have even approached.

This is my first time watching but the way that everyone keeps turning the tape recorder on and seems to be obsessed with statements? I got about five minutes in but I was distracted so later I turned it back to the start and that's when I realised how suspicious it is, the way that Daisy's so confused about why Martin wants to make a statement made me realise- why IS he doing that? Then when Tim is talking, he has it turned off but it carries on recording as if it turned itself back on, because none of them made a comment about it to suggest Tim changed his mind. And then Elias wanting to keep it for Jon just seems like a strange, half-baked excuse? And it made me think back to the other episodes too, the way at the end of season 1 Jon risked his Life just to get the tape recorder "for evidence" and how everyone keeps recording things? AND THE END WHEN MARTIN ASKS IF TIM TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER- something is UP

@mimkyodar

2 жыл бұрын

Wondering how your first listen is going :D

@-S.L.

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the tape recorder is actually the Eye's favourite way of keeping records of what happens?? Maybe it's linked to the eye more than the pen and paper statements or the digital copies?

I'm a first time listenerand I was thinking: It's really weird how Elias knows things that theoretically he shouldn't, And it made me think about what leitner was saying about 'the eye' making it seem like the two could be connected

I think . . . I’ve spent almost my entire day listening. It’s about 10:00 PM, and I need a break, but . . . I need to know what happens next. Just like I’ve told myself who knows how many times already today. Listening until my eyelids feel to heavy, and I turn it off to fall asleep, just to restart the cycle.

Oh, this episode made me love Elias much more than I thought I would ever.

I never understand why people say Elias framed Jon for murder. Killing Leitner and leaving him in Jon's office was done out of haste. He refused to tell her where Jon was and denied that Jon _could_ kill anyone.

Calvin seemed to be marked by one of the entities 👀