This is a great example of Formula 1 design teams doing the best they can with the rules given. Good job on Aston's part.

@azimibrahim1216

Жыл бұрын

@@jimbob3291 report as it promoted terrorism. I found that it ban faster that way

@Vincent_A

Жыл бұрын

Nice, but what has it brought Aston Martin? 🤔

@barath4545

Жыл бұрын

It's a disaster for the racing though - Once this gets copied, it's vortex time again and game over for drafting and overtaking and it's back to the shitshow that was 2014-2020.

@roscoe211994

Жыл бұрын

The FIA HATES innovation. I.E. Ferrari and Redbull fixing porpoising.

@Kaimax61

Жыл бұрын

until a losing team complains about it.

If only Aston got the rest of their car together.

@Skafiskafnjak51

Жыл бұрын

they are preparing it for Alonso so he can win one more championship

@GenuineRage

Жыл бұрын

@@Skafiskafnjak51 you know for a fact that we're all praying for it to all the Gods that are known to man 😂

@Gl-my8fw

Жыл бұрын

Their facilities are still not done and they are spending tons on staff and equipment. I see a bright future still not instant success.

@mark006868

Жыл бұрын

Antonios Papadakis...If only you could make a non asinine comment...

@kohikappu

Жыл бұрын

I think that it's likely for them to at least challenge the top team next season, given the crews they have + Alonso as both driver and aerodynamicist. As for this season, Aston have Vettel as a driver and engineer.

This is the work of their new head of aero that they got this year in April, Dan Fallows. He was the head of aero at Red Bull for a long time probably working with Newey. Pretty sure that is the kind of signing that Alonso paid attention to before signing for Aston Martin. AM next year's car will be more competitive than people think.

@SanguinaryGuard

Жыл бұрын

yeah, if I was Aston rn. with a driver like Alonzo coming into the fold, and vettel leaving, I'd be using this years care almost purely as a testbed for next year's design. This is why I was surprised to see this loophole upgrade before the long break. I figured this would've been something to bring on start of next year or after break as to not give a month of time for the other teams to work this idea into their cars.

@pbutok

Жыл бұрын

Thats not how aerodynamic departments work at f1 teams. The head of aero manages over 100 people, he won't have touched this concept apart from possibly giving the go ahead to the interpretation of the rules. This design will be the brainchild of a mid or senior level aerodynamacist or prehaps surface designer assigned to developing the RW.

@alan_davis

Жыл бұрын

@@pbutok love how you dismiss that guys complete assumption... with a complete assumption...

@pbutok

Жыл бұрын

@@alan_davis my best mate is an aerodynamicist at Williams, I did an industrial placement year at Williams. Believe it or not some people know what they’re talking about.

@PJMontoya

Жыл бұрын

No matter who designs the car, Alonso will still have the bosses kid as a “teammate”. We’ll see how long Alonso will tolerate not being the most important person on the on the team

Smart find. But I hope they close the loophole next season. This season has been way more fun than a lot of the previous seasons because of the new flow regulations and the ability to generate downforce when you are in the slipstream of the car in front of you. I would not want to see that go.

@owenoseroff

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@cbrunnem6102

Жыл бұрын

100% gets shut down for next season. if they allow all loopholes that go against the target of better racing then in 5 years we will hack back to the same as before.

@DingoRunner

Жыл бұрын

@@cbrunnem6102 Yeah, damn ugly cars like a few years ago.

@vibratingstring

Жыл бұрын

I think they should bring back cigar bodies and bias tyres. Now THAT is sporting!

@yt.personal.identification

Жыл бұрын

@@DingoRunner It's not a concourse competition.

I think creative bypassing of regulations should almost always be allowed unless it's safety related, but if it's a clear deviation from what the regulations intend, as in it pulls the cars further away from what the FIA want then I think it *should* be something that's only allowed for the one season before it's nudged back into line

@wombat4191

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'd be surprised if this will be a thing in 2023. But I doubt it will be disallowed mid season like the split floor plank.

@AGthechampion

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't affect Merc, means its innovation. Affects Merc, sPiRiT oF rEgUlatIon brEaCh

@Fungamer4570

Жыл бұрын

@@AGthechampion honestly tho complete hypicrites bending the rules with their das and now complaining about any creativity Soneone should tell toto about indycar

@bearpapa1606

Жыл бұрын

I agree as well. that is why it annoyed my when LH or merc ham keep calling RB car with illegal floor even after explaining to them that it is not illegal floor yet, just loop hole exploited.

@bobthegoat7090

Жыл бұрын

You have to remember that finding a loophole only gives the team one race where they have an advantage. Next high downforce race everyone is going to have it, so no point in not banning it. Aston already got what they could have hoped to gain.

This year, all CAD files must be approved by the FIA before a part is manufactured. The reason no-one is protesting is because this means the FIA have seen and approved the design, so they can’t exactly then go and protest to the FIA!

@snack711

Жыл бұрын

same goes with the DAS though, mercedes checked with the FIA about its legality.

@nallid7357

Жыл бұрын

@@snack711 Although it wasn't explicit, the FIA wanted the steering to be nonadjustable and therefore the DAS was outlawed a season later because it was technically cheating although they didn't mention such a system in the rules.

@lattepus7888

Жыл бұрын

@@nallid7357 do you even know the meaning of "technically", "cheating", and "didnt mention such a system in the rules".???? do u even get some education?? moroonn

@maxavery9963

Жыл бұрын

@@lattepus7888Why be so negative? It was a good, civilized discussion and you come in calling people uneducated and morons? There's a level of irony in your response.

@KristianLyubenovYT

Жыл бұрын

@@snack711 yea, the fia even requested merc to change the initial design of the das which was a lever to it being activated by a pull of the wheel because the lever concept was illegal as per the regs at the time

Watching all this drama about Ferrari and Alpine on every KZread page. Then bam y’all coming through with the technical analysis of one of the many upgrades brought in by teams before break. Thank you for being actual race fans and not drama queens. 👊✌️

@gaurav1265

Жыл бұрын

No one is being drama queens the drama is there and I'm all for it F1 is about everything the cars the drivers and how the grid works

@baz1184

Жыл бұрын

If you aren't interested in the drivers then you aren't really an F1 fan.

@rayfinkle5048

Жыл бұрын

@@gaurav1265 😂😂😂

@rayfinkle5048

Жыл бұрын

@@baz1184 🤣🤣🤣 who said anything about not being interested in drivers. I just don’t care about the contracts or that, whoa no secret Ferrari is bad at strategy. Crazy who knew. All while there were 20+ upgrades across I think 7 teams to the cars. That’s more interesting and sport driven than what has been talked about.

@cl_0ud470

Жыл бұрын

@@rayfinkle5048 the so called "drama" is literally about a prodigy driver and contracts are literally why every driver are racing with their team right now.

I was kind of annoyed that Aston unveiled his right before the summer break. Seems like they could have probably kept this for themselves for pretty much the rest of the year if they just waited till after. Them needing to get that benefit for the Hungaroring makes sense though. Wish they would have swapped the two on different tires earlier and Seb might have gotten 9th or maybe even 8th.

@Mr.Morten

Жыл бұрын

All F1 factories have to close down for 2 weeks anyways, so I don't think it matters that much. As Driver61 said Hungaroring was possibly just 1 of 3 races where this feature would have been useful, so I think Aston Martin just wanted to get take advantage of this feature while they can.

@richardmillhousenixon

Жыл бұрын

Part of me hopes their team did this as a sort of "Hey guys, look at what the rules allow, you should get on it too" It's that same sort of thing where if you feel like you're cheating, winning isn't as fulfilling as having a good race where you didn't win, but you also didn't cheat. Now, I know that is almost definitely not what they are doing, but I can dream

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

Not really, because other teams can't develop over the summer break.

@Micpoulsen

Жыл бұрын

I thnik they showed it because it doesn't work. hoping that other teams would spend money and time on it 😁

@SocietyUnplugged

Жыл бұрын

​@@F1ll1nTh3BlanksYou really believe there's not a single computer on earth running cfd simulations for 2 weeks straight testing this design? The factories are closed physically, not virtually.

That would be a sick angle if a camera could be installed there.

@ArielGonzalez1

Жыл бұрын

yeah dude. that visual would look insane

That is the perfect spot to put an ultrawide camera!! It would look so cool for over takings and wheel to wheel battles!!

@unthenner5519

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha great point. Shame the TV directors would miss it anyway or the Sky commentators would ramble through it about something totally unrelated.

Fernando thumbs up 👍

Aston developing their car correctly??? This is unheard of!

@ilyesatmania6510

Жыл бұрын

Hhhh well said

@andresil8330

Жыл бұрын

Must be a bug in the matrix

@gherbo1609

Жыл бұрын

@@andresil8330 el plan

@gandalf_thegrey

Жыл бұрын

Thats what happens when your facilities are put on hold for a global pandemic while the others already have them

@Nickzzzera_

Жыл бұрын

We can't even say if this wing is better or not

The fact that Aston came up with this makes me very happy. I'm not particularly an AM fan, but if this is an example of the innovation that can be generated as a result of the Strolldaddy investment then it's good news for the sport. It's a real shame when the only productive innovation is constantly coming from the top 3 teams.

@ArielGonzalez1

Жыл бұрын

the got the aero dynamics head from redbull, alongside a shit ton of good people... i would love to see what can come out for next year

@lnnrt0161

Жыл бұрын

They also created the double t-tray at the start of the season which was immediately copied by any other team

@Lora_Beolab

Жыл бұрын

wich the "productive" inovation was also productive for the world rather than only the 9 other F1 teams though. like it used to be

"There is no such thing as the spirit of the regulations...". Quite right! Its a competition, for drivers and engineers - engineers work with the parameters given, and if its a valid interpretation, then its a creative engineering solution. It's not even "getting away with it" or "not getting caught", its playing the sport.

im very excited about the f1 car drive. i think its a great idea as its probably most of your subscribers dream to drive one. keep up the great work

Keep taking your time and producing quality analyses 👌

I think it's more likely that the FIA issues a tech reg to get rid of this element due to the dirty air issue.

There are no loopholes. There is only compliant design and non-compliant design.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

It's a loophole because it's not in the intent of the regulation to my understanding.

@squeakybunny2776

Жыл бұрын

It's a loophole because the rules actively try to prevent end plates but this way it's still legally possible

@quigglyz

Жыл бұрын

False. There are many gray areas that FIA enforces selectively.

@radamus210

Жыл бұрын

Still a lot of gray area in that statement. If there wasn't? Why would you need 100's of millions in assets, resources to develop a compliant part?

@inkjazz

Жыл бұрын

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks There is no "spirit of the regulations" as Scott said verbatim in this video. There is a FORMULA, and the teams need to follow that formula. There's no enforceable intent, only rules. Otherwise they could argue about feelings and intent until the sun burns out.

Great content, Congrats!

Great find by them in the interpretation. Curious to see how much this would affect the ability to follow closely as other teams adopt it.

Keep in mind that Aston Martin came up with the double splitter idea that Ferrari and Red Bull already copied. I doubt they will pull a Brown GP next year but I hope they will keep coming up with stuff like this.

Well, if they get the rest of the car right, Alonso will be the 2nd Spaniard to have good career choices literally every year.

Love the vid as always grate job

Honestly I want to see a time trial series for f1 where everything is legal so long as safety standards are maintained. Basically hill climb/can am but with f1 budgets. See what the peak of automotive engineering is.

No other team is protesting it likely because they've all got a similar design in the works.

@meantares

Жыл бұрын

Or because AM is not a frontline car.

@The_Curious_Cat

Жыл бұрын

It's more because Aston Martin is not a threat. If this was made by Mercedes you can bet RB would be fuming and Helmut Marko would be talking to every media outlet saying the "Mercedes must receive a race ban and this is clearly illegal and it's outrageous how they are allowed to do this and this proves Max is better then Lewis and George and I don't know why I said that but I did".

@wvfpure1

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Curious_Cat other way around as well.

@Alex-cw3rz

Жыл бұрын

@@wvfpure1 well Red Bull are there own special bread in this respect, literally creating parts of other teams cars to see what they are doing.

@twistan4976

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Curious_Cat Even though aston isn't a threat the teams still have something to gain by getting it outlawed. If this is the type of innovation where all teams would improve by implementing it, it makes more sense for the other teams to protest and get it banned, rather than spend money developing it, just for everyone to have it and the playing field be level again.

The new wing feels good, much slower than before!

years of dev work, for the first time with a truly significant emphasis on making it as hard as possible for teams to use loopholes, and here we are. to be honest, I am truly surprised that it took this long for a team to bring out something like this. I truly expected to see something like this already in the first race. Aston Martin. While your car may be bad overall, you really do need to give some extra love to your aero team!

They’ll publish new rules that say no vertical members above the horizontal in the rear wing.

@narancs5

Жыл бұрын

They would just slightly tilt that bit to make it not exactly vertical.

@AdityaVarmaMudunuri

Жыл бұрын

@@narancs5 if they tilt that i don't think they will meet the radii requirements.

@5naxalotl

Жыл бұрын

or more generally, a maximum gradient before the gradient decreases again. everyone else seems to have understood the intent that the plane wasn't supposed to even approach vertical. at first glance the regs seem to be poorly written

If their car produces more dirty air then not only does it potentially help them with downforce, but it will make it difficult for the car behind to overtake - so it works defensively as well!

@MichaelEilers

Жыл бұрын

That’s a strong reason to ban it.

@FrancSchiphorst

Жыл бұрын

And then all teams get it and it hurts them as much as well.

Rip to the good looking 22+ wing

@realMaverickBuckley

Жыл бұрын

Good looking?? 😄

Now thats some brilliant engineering. Props to team Aston!

I love it when teams look closely at the rule set and make legal changes (some folks call this "finding loopholes") which may give them a slight advantage. That said, if the other teams protest saying Aston's changes make it more difficult to follow closely they may protest. Thanks for another great video.

It's not in the spirit of the rules. It's clear because we have this talk. It's not like with the sidepods where every team had a different approach and Mercedes showed up with a 2nd one that was very different. With these Endplates, there is nothing to protest right away. Aston Martin is 9th. Williams is out of reach, and so they don't gain anything. Alpha Tauri is the direct competitor but I think Red Bull told them not to do anything. Every team had a chance to look how this idea would turn out and having the summer break, they can copy the idea and test it. Would this wing be on a car of the top 5, I can guarantee that there would have been a protest, because the risk is too high that it can hurt the competition and they can't get it work on their car.

@ehsnils

Жыл бұрын

After all - if this don't create any benefit at all it will go away.

It makes it hard for others to follow. This really only helps if you are ahead of others though. The real problem they need to solve 🤣

This is what I love about F1, the technical battle :D

Restrictions breed creativity and this is a fine example, good on Aston for finding it.

Let’s see what Alonso can do next year

@Gl-my8fw

Жыл бұрын

Guarantee a bigger gap between him and stroll than vettel.

@p.c.h.6721

Жыл бұрын

@@Gl-my8fw That’s for sure 👍

@quigglyz

Жыл бұрын

P16 will be his average next year.

@p.c.h.6721

Жыл бұрын

@N N I think he’s thinking about making money 💰, not so much a about racing, if there was a possibility of being competitive with A.M. then Vettel wouldn’t have left

@benfulford3943

Жыл бұрын

@@Gl-my8fw guarantee? I remember the gap to kimi was bigger when Vettel arrived, after alonso left ferrari.

1:02 Wow, hold on a second! Winglets on planes are not there to increase downforce!?!? Those are meant to gradually decreased the difference between the high and low pressure, just to minimize the vortexes that harm efficiency.

@ASJC27

Жыл бұрын

That’s not exactly how they work. They have an airfoil cross section, that coupled with the inflow across them from the tip vortex, creates a local force that is oriented forwards and inwards. The forwards component pushes the winglet forwards, so that the net induced drag is less.

@The_Curious_Cat

Жыл бұрын

No, they are there to generate more downforce on the main wing so the plane can crash harder. lol

@FrancSchiphorst

Жыл бұрын

That's not what he said. "They have end plates to make them more efficient"

@MastaSquidge

Жыл бұрын

He literally said they're for increasing efficiency...

This is great, will be neat to watch it perform to a solid P13 to P18 finish.

Winglets on a plate are to reduce vortices hence reduction in drag not to increase lift 😕

I'm routing for Aston Martin, I hope they find their feet soon, Lance was attempting to unlap himself from Hamilton at Hungary, so there may be something to this wing.

Aston Martin being copied?! Am i sleeping ?

@Limegreenedragon

Жыл бұрын

Shocking, isn't it?

@gandalf_thegrey

Жыл бұрын

@@Limegreenedragon Not really.

@dctrsnapl

Жыл бұрын

@@Limegreenedragon nope

That so beautiful, that is art.

Great Video

I hope they let Aston use this for a few races as they deserve some benefit for their clever invention, but then amend the rules to ban it. Just because we want to keep following other cars as easy as possible. So Aston gets some benefit, about as long as they would before everyone else has copied it, and then we get back to ensuring as good racing as possible.

@izanefe4231

Жыл бұрын

I think they should ban it for 2023, I don't think it'll hurt the racing this season enough to warrant a TD and all the controversy that brings with it

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

They have to ban it either now, before others develope their own, or just let it run and ban it next season. The fact that no teams are coming after Aston tells me that, they're already preparing their own.

@pistonburner6448

Жыл бұрын

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I think FIA should immediately announce that they will ban it after...2 races or something. That way other teams know not to waste time developing it, or actually develop it if they think doing that work for just 2 races is worth it. Importantly that way Aston too will know to develop their car in their old-rear-wing configuration to prepare for the upcoming banning of the new loophole wing. Otherwise Aston will be on the back foot if they develop their car forward with the loophole wing and will suddenly be facing a situation where they have to go back to the old wing and they're not prepared for it and all their work with the new wing might have gone to waste.

@unthenner5519

Жыл бұрын

They should've introduced it after the summer break. Given the FIA and all of the teams a headstart on thinking time now.

@izanefe4231

Жыл бұрын

@@unthenner5519 but that wing isn't useful on many races, this is one of the few where they can actually use it, so bringing it out now was their best bet

Waiting for Russell to tell everyone Aston Martin is pushing the rules. ^^

Clever very clever F1 always amazes me with all the cool little loopholes the engineers find and use to their advantage

Great innovation!

If this negatively effects the ability for cars to follow behind I want this loophole to be closed and banned. So far this season the racing has been great and F1 has done a great job with the 2022 concept in achieving what they set out for. We certainly dont want teams to undermine this

When Aston finds a loophole with end plates: "Good job!" When Red Bull finds a loop with planks: "They're cheating!"

@zhen86

Жыл бұрын

Cause am is at the back not in front

@maxavery9963

Жыл бұрын

The floor being manufactured to flex more than allowed under load did break the rules, though. This, technically, doesn't.

@chiefdenis

Жыл бұрын

The plank is never supposed to flex, it's primary job is to stop the floor from bottoming out, the only reason rb can flex their floor is because fia doesn't yet measure the back of the plank. They're breaking the rules not bending it, exactly like ferrari with the fuel flow meters, they're doing what they're not supposed to do in an area where it's not measured.

@KristianLyubenovYT

Жыл бұрын

@@chiefdenis it can flex but not that much. it's speculated that rb and ferrari made it flex more than allowed to because its a hard part to verify by the fia

@chiefdenis

Жыл бұрын

@@KristianLyubenovYT all parts are allowed a little bit of flex so they don't shatter like glass on impact, what rb and ferrari have done is engineer different levels of flex across the entire length of the plank, making the floor a moveable aerodynamic device, which has been outlawed for decades now. Edit: i realised you're responding to the part where i said "never", i stand corrected.

Winglets on aircraft have a very different purpose than endplates on rear wings for downforce, but for the rest, good video

I wonder how much benefit it gives. That's a very hard perpendicular surface and added to the larger corner surface are of the lower wing section, it looks like a good amount of drag.

I am quite certain FIA will ban it, given the regulations’s goal was reducing dirty air.

@GamerBrianLP

Жыл бұрын

FIA already approved it

@inkjazz

Жыл бұрын

Aston Martin developed it closely with the FIA compliance, like Mercedes did with it's steering wheel DAS system

They'll probbably (hopefully) ban it. Good on Aston for spotting the weirdness in the rules, but now we finally have cars that can follow each other. Don't let the Red Bull and Mercedes aerodynamicists loose on this design or we'll surely shortly end up right back where we were last year.

C'est fascinant de voir comment la FIA peut-être détournée ! J'ai cru que via la miniature que c'était une camera d'aileron, super vidéo comme toujours ;)

Next year's car in testing after more loopholes spotted... kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3qdj82YqrTXlZc.html

Aston is like a tsunami of potential, and Lawrence Stroll is the dam that stops it Ferrari vibes

@gandalf_thegrey

Жыл бұрын

Source: Trust me bro

@allorfh2495

Жыл бұрын

Lawrence stroll does what he needs to do: gives funding and helps the team grow on their own terms. I expect them to be a strong team starting from 2026

I agree F1 rules has to be as in RAW(Rules As Writen) not "spirit of the rule" if there is a louphole updates to the rule has to be made to the following season, A prime example of this is the flex in the woodboard "controversy" it's allowed in RAW then it's leagal, if it's a unwanted thing then FIA needs to write better rules to next season!

@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you

Жыл бұрын

The flex plank issue (to my understanding) has been, by a lot of youtube comments, poorly understood as 'a way to reduce poirposing, thus the TD is unfair etc etc etc'. Whereas the reality was the flex plank was 'discovered' when the FIA started trying to formalise a metric for max vertical load on the driver due to cars bottoming out as they need to run so low and stiff (ie not really related to porpoising, although it doesn't help if you have too much). The plank rules are pretty well defined. The issue was the FIA scrutineering test to check for compliance. Like the flex wings last year, the rules were very well defined, but the scrutineering test to check for compliance was poor and didn't take into account race conditions. Again, Ferarri, with the fuel thing, well defined rules, Ferarri found a way to trick the sensor the FIA were using to allow more fuel through than was detected. TL;DR the plank wear rules are clear, the FIA also had many meetings with teams pre-season discussing what they defined as the plank rules (with ground effect meaning ride-heights etc were more crucial they knew there was scope for issue) however, only testing compliance at a limited set of positions meant you could have more wear in other places which IS against the rules as written. Hence the TD.

Love how cheeky F1 engineers are!

Errr.... I replaced the endplates on my 1963 Reliant Rebel with dinner plates and while it didn't go any faster; it seemed well--morer posher....

This is just like DAS at Mercedes. Great find in the regulations, FIA give a nasty look at it and realise it is very legal. 2023 a more tightly controlled set of regulations appear, but AM get to use their design, like Mercedes did till the end of the current season. Well played the rule reading nerds and engineers.

@vandalsgarage

Жыл бұрын

Likewise the flexi floors.

@AGthechampion

Жыл бұрын

@@vandalsgarage bit unlike vortex wing, it won't stay for a single season.

@skrattzerat5831

Жыл бұрын

@@vandalsgarage Nah the flexi floors was exploiting the testing weakness while breaking rules, thus the TD changing testing to eliminate rule breakers.

Hopefully they won’t be a fucking boat on wheels anymore but yk it’s the Strolls after all

@Gl-my8fw

Жыл бұрын

They are putting tons of money into improving the team and Stroll isn't even close to the worst driver on the grid tbh.

@therealnorthernchungus3551

Жыл бұрын

@@Gl-my8fw I’m more so taking about Lawrence. The man thinks just throwing money into the team will guarantee success

@gandalf_thegrey

Жыл бұрын

@@therealnorthernchungus3551 Source: Trust me bro.

the jets you shown doesn't actually have endplates, they are called winglets and they actually decrease vortices. There could be some planes that have end plates but not most

Nice work Aston

This is the kind of innovation I’ve been waiting to see, I would prefer if it didn’t affect the racing and I understand if it eventually gets banned but I think the fia should incentivize thinking outside the box not punish it.

Although is legal, I thinkg the FIA will step in because is not in the spirit of the new regulations and patch them.

The moment you said "radii" I went "OH" lol. That's clever!

Good job AM engineers, it's always funny to see some weird regualtion loophole exploits, even if they sometimes turn out pretty ugly. And Aston did do fairly well in Hungary, maybe they did get some benefit out of this.

"in my mind there's no such thing as spirit of regulation". It's not just in your mind. There isn't any, the regulations is written down and they had an entire team dedicated to closing loopholes. They failed, and Aston outsmarted them. Simple as that. This entire "spirit of the regulations" chat that certain drivers and personalities started yapping about is nothing more and nothing less than them saying "we weren't clever enough, but we should get rewarded by punishing the clever folks" Screw em, keep the innovations coming and let the others suffer for not being creative.

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Great timing slip it out amongst the silly season dramas happening .

The wingtips on planes aren't endplates, they're called winglets and they're there specifically to reduce vortices, they don't create them.

Thanks Scabs

This type of video is more exciting than the race itself lol 😆

I love loopholes, they're fun to find

They make new rules so new loopholes can be found. The research is priceless.

Good job Aston👍

I do believe vortices are generated quite severely by having no endplate as well as the primary reason for fitting them on airplane wings (where they are called winglets) is to reduce vortex formation thereby reducing drag and also saving a few rooftiles from being blown off the houses they fly over. If the endplates generates massive vortices then something is off with the design. On airplaines the winglets are on the side with low pressure and often only cover 50-70% of the chord length leaving the front part of the wingtip open. Putting full length endplates on the high pressure side is more of a brute force approach and will likely generate considerable drag but the reason it is beneficial is the "slotted flap" configuration of the wing which sends the compressed air from the top of the forward airfoil up below the rear airfol where the real downforce is created by allowing the wing to maintain a much higher angle of attack without "stalling" which would cause even more drag than the endplates do.

Innovation man, it will all trickle down eventually to our everyday cars

breaking the rules without breaking them is my favourite part of f1

This is what makes F1. A teams ability to look at the regs and say "yeah, but it's only a dimension".

Good job for Aston Martin figuring this out. I totally expect next year rules to simply increase the minimum radius so much that this design is no longer beneficial but would be technically allowed (with bigger radius, of course).

Ooohhhh how I love these loopholes!! Hahah 😄😄 That’s the whole spirit of F1!!! Hahah, love it! 😄😄

There are vortices with or without end plates...also, the apirplanes have winglets on the suction side, not endplates on the pressure side--they are similar to the non-endplate F1 wing in fact. The magnitude of the circulation is reflected by the magnitude of the vortex. The end plated wing has more lift.

On planes winglets help with vortexes not so much how end plates work

I love this channel

Low-key surprised Merc didn't come up with this first

As long as the original intent is kept (decrees vortices and cleaner air) I say the AM team did an amazing job with their engineering!

Flashing different pictures/diagrams of the entire car every second or so didn't do much to help me understand their design. A simple side-view diagram of the spoiler alone would have been great.

It’s an ingenious bit of lateral thinking from the aero team at Aston Martin but the fact that no team has protested it could well illustrate the gains of this pseudo end plate are nominal at best given the constraints placed on its design by the regulations. Maybe we’ll see a load of Aston style endplates after the summer break but I think given it’s a loophole that could well be closed by the FIA and it’s potentially limited real world effectiveness is it a bit of a downforce cul-de-sac in the cost cap era?

Top job Aston! That's the spirit of F1! I agree that there's no spirit of regulations

Idk, but the rear end of the "end plate" seems to converge into a very small radius, so it might be against regulation as is?

Clever engineering always makes me smile

pretty sure they will outlaw this by the next season at the latest, but im curious how it performs.

Seems to be really working for them

Hi Scott, can you tell me who is the guy shooting with a '20s camera at 0:06?

I wonder if this design was initially discovered accidentally. I'd expect that they built the wing shape up in CAD and they put all the dimensions and limitations in as parametric variables. This allows you to play with dimensions and the CAD package will reshape everything to fit. If they then pushed an element beyond the normal limit or something wasn't as locked down as it should have been, it's not uncommon for the CAD program to find a mathematical solution that still meets the requirements, but it does something unexpected. Often you get impossible designs, but occasionally the design suddenly pops to a weird shape that do still conform with all your requirements and can still be built.

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Maybe even toying around with design elements on paper - say sketching the cylinders as the radii and wondering about wrapping it round. I'm not sure if it will be worth amending the regs in future years for racing entertainment purposes, as I actually don't follow it much , but it's interesting hearing/reading about elements like this as lateral thinking solutions.

I wonder if this same design could be exploited within the front wings because a lot of the teams seem to have similar designs in that area

Hi would be better if you can illustrate the differences, before and after

Guy with a 90 years old large format camera right in the beginning oh lord