Thank you for making this connection between mental health and economics. It's about time we began treating economics as a biological function of human populations, meaning that, as a biological function, it is inseparably intertwined with all other biological functions of humanity, such as physical and mental well-being.

@petersepall2590

6 жыл бұрын

Well said.

I've felt this for years, but could never properly explain it. Interesting.

@mikaelarschibald

2 жыл бұрын

Same! Same! I just came across this and I am baffled to finally have the words to explain what I was feeling all along...

I love being educated and in debt ! Why would I be stressed just because I can't get the job to pay it back? Awesome. Thanks.

@bjnowak

6 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Hall but the debt was not forced. You could have chose another path. Society told you to borrow the money, society told you to go into debt- it told you “without it you will fail” that’s just not true.

@bjnowak

6 жыл бұрын

Medium size businesses are always hiring good people without a college education. Big companies it's a little harder.

@aquilaot

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you about employers, they want experience and a BA/BS, but are clueless to see knowledge and intelligence used by critical analysis in an individual. Or feeling threatened by it. I read a study stating 70% of management is afraid of speaking to their employees. So much a degree will do, if you not intelligent enough how to use critical thinking or to just say, "I don't know. Let me get back to you." Our education system was built by carpet baron's who thought it would make it easier for them to select from the herd. But they, of course, could not account for all contingencies.

@aquilaot

6 жыл бұрын

Then it is not about the degree, but the Benjamin's.

What do you mean you can't make bricks without straw?! Just work harder and smarter. If you can believe it, you can achieve it... I'm wondering if this striving for perfection also makes societies vulnerable to authoritarianism? A search for a perfect self, the perfect leader, or state; no weakness can be tolerated, etc.

@Patrick-gf5xg

6 жыл бұрын

jones1351 It certainly breeds narcissisism as people obsess about their image and social status. The logical conclusion of this is the election of a narcissistic leader.

@jones1351

6 жыл бұрын

Scary times.

Just came across this and it makes so much sense. Very important research with very practical issues for leaders and all in society come to think of it, to carefully think of this link between perfectionism, the rise of neoliberal attitudes and mental health.

Sparking not just suicide, but also murder. Many American familial murder-suicides, where a head of household murders the entire group of ducklings then self, is also largely influenced by this perfectionism, I believe.

@aquilaot

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I was shocked by the idea, people are stressed by losing their jobs and kill wife, kids and then suicide. The U.S. gives to much credit to the founding fathers. They should have known the human element of greed would destroy a republic. Of course they needed money and reputation in a world economic system, but capitalism is a farce. If "We find these truths to be self evident that all men (of course not the women in those days or landowners) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness," was in the Declaration of Independence for only a set few. Everything else was chattel to be used for their personal avarice.

Could perfectionism be linked with the fact that we have to compete with computers and other technologies? Then the high paying jobs are getting small and therefore they are only looking for "perfect" people? Could it be that our society is being turned into an computer algorithm? Look at our art world (pacifically the Music and Film), they seem to be run more by statistic and sociology than any real artists (unless your an big established artist already). It is killing our art and turning it into boring shit (they are selling shirts with shit on it (pun intended)).

@DokisKalin1

6 жыл бұрын

Leigh Foulkes, Yes, globalization, automation and financialization of the global economy depends upon the hiring of a relatively small part of the labour force to perform in elite roles.

Greed has becaome the greatest virtue. Without greed you can not rise up to the standard.

Brilliant study! It provides a much needed source of self-reflection to individuals and to institutions.

Wow someone from my hometown on the real news! Great segment btw!

wow! his talking is very clear and I like it

I loved this video and the study. I am guilty as charged. Of course, the rise in perfectionism, anxiety, and depression = the rise in chemicals to numb, instead of learning how to cope....cause it's a lot easier to lead a country of numb sheep than educated, informed, and supported human beings. *eye roll*

What about the influence of our education systems?

@aquilaot

6 жыл бұрын

Who established standardized testing and for what purpose? If corporations are the biggest investors in our educational system, I would expect corporations would want testing done, along the way, so corporations can thin the herd, so to speak, for their market.

@ameighable

6 жыл бұрын

Our (USA, and now most of the world) educational system was designed by and originally funded by the Robber Barons - including the curriculum. The method was established by Johann Fichte (the first Nazi) and it was intentionally designed to keep children ignorant, incapable of thinking outside the box, and immediately feel the need to "obey" authority. Many studies show that our educational system destroys children's creativity. And when I started doing my own research into American history, I discovered that it is nothing but a lie, intended to keep students from discovering the one thing that would fix America and restore it to what it was designed to be. I wrote a book that includes this topic. You can read it for free at www.americandelusion.org

Thank you Mr. Curran. Can I find the study online? Please post a link.

@aquilaot

6 жыл бұрын

www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/bul-bul0000138.pdf

This explains J K Rowling's blairitism and her dislike of Jeremy Corbett. She thinks he's a hufflepuff

@joshc6569

6 жыл бұрын

*Corbyn

Your story is about an effect of a component of Neoliberalism but Neoliberalism is so much more. Most can recognize the primary components of Neoliberalism that benefit the wealthy like deregulation, globalization of capital, reduced taxes, privatization, and controlling labor but there are more insidious components some probably don’t recognize. Neoliberalism is much like a fascist system where the lack of regulation allows the oligarchs through their corporations to grow so powerful they take over the government. Neoliberalism also has a eugenics component where the weak die early and only those who are useful to the oligarchs will survive. You will eventually notice this in such metrics as falling life expectancy in the countries where Neoliberalism dominates. This is the reason for the increase in induced stress in society; this is the reason universal health care has either never been introduced or is slowing being removed beyond the perception of many. The oligarchs are not only eugenicists, they also believe in the slow, imperceptible, Malthusian removal of a large percentage of the population. Even though the oligarchs deny aspects of degradation such as climate change and loss of species; they are smart enough to understand it is real and caused by an accelerating consumer population. The only way they can save their planet for their progeny is to reduce the population; by thinning their heard if you will. The future evolution of man will no longer be left up to natural selection; the future evolution of man in the short term will be driven by oligarchs.

@aquilaot

6 жыл бұрын

Not if there is not enough oxygen to breathe by 2050. Our oceans are being depleted of life which creates 85% of our oxygen. If we keep harvesting it's life and destroying i.e. the Great Barrier Reef no one will survive. Even the Oligarchs.

Here is the resume. NINTENDO, SEGA. The video game industry made us to want to win the game, to pass the missions, to get the fucking princess and shit. And if we don't we suck

It would seem that via the system of education in particular the social n human services/social work track the narrative; as it describes the previous identifying quality of a client is now remade as a consumer. This, not coincidently enough alludes to the homo oeconomicus i.e. the rational economic man of classical economics. The drive towards perfectionism is the vanity of a race to the top combined with pseudo scientific ideas of natural selection. The personality traits are further characterized by Malthusian theory of dwindling resources and exponential increase in world population. Absent this via social moral decline and it becomes a contest of survival of the fittest justified by the unfailing free market forces paradigm and in a sleight of hand, selfishness flies under the radar as the rational economic actor. The depression comes in when even the most fit of the naturally selected find themselves devoid of life fulfillment, yet surrounded by wealth, luxury, and material benefit. For the have nots who buy into the ideal, also experience a depression of not being fit enough or worse unworthy.

#MMT

Some very interesting points. But please don't bob around so much during the interview, although I'm sure this was due to nerves on your part.

Neoliberalism is a boogeyman. It's not "neoliberalism" causing these problems, as some isolated all powerful ideology that determines policy and culture. It's just the modern development of capitalism. Google "marx alienation".

@TerryStern

6 жыл бұрын

Okay, I googled Entfremdung, so how does "marx alienation" undermine the the utility of neoliberalism as a concept? Is it wrong to say something like: the capitalist process of alienating us from our world has been augmented by the the emergence of neoliberalism as a strategy of late-stage capitalism.

@hoipolloicassidy1594

6 жыл бұрын

Quite agree. You'll note that the study appears in the Bulletin of the American Psychological Association, the same folks who were, for a long time, A-OK behind Torture in the Name of Science. The same folks who, as in this case, use purely quantitative approaches to deal with issues like Mental Health--in other terms the same approaches that caused the problem in the first place. Apparently our hapless friends at TRN are unaware of the very long history of Psychoanalytic approaches to social problems intersection closely with Marxist and other progressive approaches, on issues like alienation (as you mentioned), social reproduction, repression as a psychic and political phenomenon, etc.

@dylan9966

6 жыл бұрын

Terry Stern Neoliberalism and "late-stage" capitalism are pretty much synonymous is my point, more or less. Getting rid of neoliberalism would mean either a more developed form of late capitalism (which is highly unlikely) or socialism (which is also unlikely). Neoliberalism IS capitalism, in the modern day.

@hoipolloicassidy1594

6 жыл бұрын

What's "wrong," or rather useless, is the psychologist's attempt to posit an abstract quality like "perfectionism" instead of attempting to define the structural causes for the symptoms described--same as if one simply threw in "alienation" as an abstract quality, without attempting to understand what produces it. I would strongly suggest instead reading Harry Braverman's Labor and Monopoly Capital. The Degradation of Work in the Twentieth Century. Written in 1974, and by somebody who knew the alienation of labor first hand.

@TerryStern

6 жыл бұрын

Dylan, neoliberalism and late-stage capitalism may now be regarded as the same, that's true. But if I wish to discriminate between the economic vicissitudes of today and those of similar periods in the past--say 1890-1930, one period reads as neioliberalism, the other does not. So I do not agree that the concept "neoliberalism" is a boogeyman. It is a useful concept. That it is, hopefully, a marker of the end of capitalism is encouraging. And socialism, which sprang into existence as a critique of capitalism in the first half of the 19th Century, is capitalism's natural successor. Socialism is grass-roots democracy put into universal effect. That's coming next if we survive the global plutocracy.

Materialism will never bring Joy to a Life. Look at Trump and Clinton. They Represent the GOPDNC id of that Generation; they are miserable cuks.