The Line Between Smart and Crazy

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How does herd mentality go wrong and lead to the madness of crowds? How can we harness it for the wisdom of crowds? Vsauce2 explores the fine line between group smart and group crazy.
The age of mass communication has brought with it mass psychogenic illness alongside opportunities to crowdsource solutions that improve the world. It's a delicate science we're trying to navigate. Are we smart enough to make use of our herd mentality or we will succumb to the madness of the crowd?
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  • @Vsauce2
    @Vsauce2 Жыл бұрын

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  • @mukonank783

    @mukonank783

    Жыл бұрын

    I estimate there are 7000 jelly beans. Please send me the beans if I’m right. 2:31

  • @theffects9545

    @theffects9545

    Жыл бұрын

    200 is the average right?

  • @conanobrien1

    @conanobrien1

    Жыл бұрын

    3000 jelly beans

  • @_Webpersona

    @_Webpersona

    Жыл бұрын

    630 J beans.

  • @igorilyasov2057

    @igorilyasov2057

    Жыл бұрын

    477 jelly beans

  • @cristianmoore1996
    @cristianmoore1996 Жыл бұрын

    When the US began, Congress was meant to consist of average people with normal jobs that only met a few times a year to discuss laws. Now it’s full time jobs where they spend all their time together and madness has ensued. Makes sense after watching this video.

  • @ohjahohfrick9837

    @ohjahohfrick9837

    Жыл бұрын

    They also just so "happen" to be mostly lawyers...

  • @blakehelgoth5247

    @blakehelgoth5247

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah, no. Congress was made up of land owners, which means the top of the economic ladder. Everyone else was considered to be peons. Only those who had "made their fortune" mattered.

  • @cattibingo

    @cattibingo

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh come on it was never meant for average people

  • @mvmlego1212

    @mvmlego1212

    Жыл бұрын

    I think the idea that the U.S. congress was intended to consist of average Joes is approximately correct for the House of Representatives, but not the Senate. The House was intended to represent the general population, and Senate was intended to represent the states' governments. Until the 17th Amendment was passed, senators were selected by state legislatures, not by popular vote.

  • @EnkiduShamesh

    @EnkiduShamesh

    Жыл бұрын

    If by "average people with normal jobs" you mean "white men that owned land (and probably slaves)" then yes. It was never meant for the average resident of the country. And the US is 1000 times more complicated than it was a few centuries ago. We are no longer a backwards agricultural society.

  • @chrisdavis3551
    @chrisdavis3551 Жыл бұрын

    " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." ~Kay Men in Black quotes still stand strong.

  • @possumsalad6614

    @possumsalad6614

    Жыл бұрын

    bro i was thinking the exact same line also reminded me of "1500 years ago, everybody 'knew' that we were at the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody 'knew' the earth was flat. 15 minutes ago, you 'knew' that we were alone on this planet. imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

  • @HunterTracks

    @HunterTracks

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@possumsalad6614 Technically, due to our tragic inability to travel at FTL speeds, we are the center of the observable Universe.

  • @kriskrasm

    @kriskrasm

    Жыл бұрын

    The most intelligent men, like the strongest, find their happiness where others would find only disaster: in the labyrinth, in being hard with themselves and with others, in effort; their delight is in self-mastery; in them asceticism becomes second nature, a necessity, an instinct. They regard a difficult task as a privilege; it is to them a recreation to play with burdens that would crush all others. Nietzsche

  • @kubastachu9860

    @kubastachu9860

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HunterTracks only if you assume the human observer is what makes a center of the universe

  • @HUNKragor

    @HUNKragor

    Жыл бұрын

    His name is Kevin

  • @asmodeus3738
    @asmodeus3738 Жыл бұрын

    A small benefit of being socially isolated, group stupidity has a difficult time reaching me. (Didn’t expect this to reach so many people, neat)

  • @godassasin8097

    @godassasin8097

    Жыл бұрын

    on the other hand isolation can stop other people from calling out the stupidity already inside

  • @nicks4727

    @nicks4727

    Жыл бұрын

    So does group wisdom.

  • @JazmenCarolina

    @JazmenCarolina

    Жыл бұрын

    This is a balancing act but you yourself must find a healthy medium. This video illustrates a very fascinating phenomenon of group madness however humans social isolation does the very same thing. Not interacting with people brings about madness in of itself. Coupled with the fact that you have connection to the internet like hundreds of other people that self-isolate, this seems to be one of the causes of the spread of harmful misinformation based on their own unfortunately delusional takes due to lack of interactivity or communal push back. These ideas become popular and are perpetuated online which leads to group insanity. Which in turn creates a Perpetual never-ending circle. There's nothing wrong with socializing and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be alone but too much of either spectrum can lead to insanity. The crazy insane behavior of celebrities and influencers are a good example of too much socialisation and the withdrawn mentally damaged, delusional and sometimes outwardly violent hikikomori of Japan are a good example of prolonged self-isolation. It is always good to find balance to to remain not only wise but healthy.

  • @JazmenCarolina

    @JazmenCarolina

    Жыл бұрын

    I just also wanted to clarify that I don't mean to sound as if I'm calling you delusional. I was speaking in a more general sense that prolong isolation leads to delusion and mental decline in most cases. My apologies if I offend. Drink plenty of water and be well friend 🤗

  • @tropezando

    @tropezando

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@JazmenCarolina I don't think extroversion nor introversion have any bearing on whether or not a person lacks critical thinking skills or has a tendency to violent acts.

  • @luisfilipe2023
    @luisfilipe2023 Жыл бұрын

    TLDR: get a lot of people intellectually dependent on each other together= madness get a lot of people intellectually independent= wisdom

  • @quintessenceSL

    @quintessenceSL

    Жыл бұрын

    Also it is scientifically proven that diverse groups are the best way to solve problems. Demarchy for the win.

  • @superkingoftacos2920

    @superkingoftacos2920

    Жыл бұрын

    That's why were are so many people in cults. They keep relying on other people to think for them and don't question what they're being told

  • @steamedyam

    @steamedyam

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for summing up his video now I no longer have to watch it I should just read your comments wherever I go

  • @bramvanduijn8086

    @bramvanduijn8086

    Жыл бұрын

    How tight the social connections are between the members are only one factor. High stress and group size are other factors.

  • @wren_.

    @wren_.

    9 ай бұрын

    it’s like when ant colonies get stuck in a death spiral. all of the ants are relying on the ant in front of them to lead the way back home, so they all get stuck in a circle and eventually walk themselves to death.

  • @malakai2012
    @malakai2012 Жыл бұрын

    "the IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters"

  • @rageofinfinity2032

    @rageofinfinity2032

    8 ай бұрын

    This I like.

  • @Gandhi_Physique
    @Gandhi_Physique Жыл бұрын

    When I negate or go against someone's beliefs, like Flat Earth or something else dumb, in the back of my mind I tend to have a worrying thought. This thought goes along the lines of, "Man, I really hope I don't believe something else equally dumb and don't realize it." I probably do, but I hate that I don't know what it is. I hate that my brain will automatically, without my knowledge, put up blocks to keep me from knowing that the belief I hold is wrong. My brain will fight to keep that belief, even if I believe that I am someone that can, and has, changed their mind when presented with better information. I guess it is better to research things before you say them, but even then you can miss something, fail to research something properly, or think you already know so research won't be done. Some things are also more complex and misunderstanding and misinformation occur. Such an annoying thing.

  • @aaronbredon2948

    @aaronbredon2948

    Жыл бұрын

    Scientists train themselves to recognize bias, but still fail even within their own field. It is impossible to spend enough time to make knowledgeable decisions about everything. So we need to evaluate what is more important to us, and learn more about those things, while choosing to accept something as a source position on less imortant things, and preferably periodically critically investigating that source. And even that has it's flaws. There is no way to ensure that you only believe rational things, and it is even possible to rationally hold conflicting opinions on certain subjects. Things are complicated, the world is complicated, and people are complicated.

  • @csabajtony

    @csabajtony

    Жыл бұрын

    We're prisoners of our own minds.

  • @petevenuti7355

    @petevenuti7355

    Жыл бұрын

    Research is usually self confirming, Google algorithms just amplify that problem!

  • @timojissink4715

    @timojissink4715

    Жыл бұрын

    Don't be so harsh on yourself though, the truth is that we can't know everything and having bumb believes is just part of life. As long as you try to be less wrong over time and stay open to new idea's you'll be fine 😊

  • @aaronbredon2948

    @aaronbredon2948

    Жыл бұрын

    @Pete Venuti right, it is easy to be blinded. That is the reason Scientists are trained to work out what predictions their pet hypothesis makes and design experiments to DISPROVE their own idea. And those who disprove hypotheses gain reputation, especially if it is one they themselves have been championing. And one's peers in peer review are one's biggest competitors. The reversal of goals helps make it easier to tear down one's own work. It isn't perfect, but putting the emphasis on disproving things and never accepting anything as true means that Science makes that little bit more progress.

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Жыл бұрын

    Vsauce has definitely gone insane

  • @tihomirtamas2694

    @tihomirtamas2694

    Жыл бұрын

    Now we await the beginning of Jake's fruther insanity arc.

  • @JonDoeDlooney

    @JonDoeDlooney

    Жыл бұрын

    Nei nei.. this is vsauce2 so its plausible

  • @stevemustang7102

    @stevemustang7102

    Жыл бұрын

    This is the exact moment Walter White diagnosed Michael Stevens

  • @Cookie__XD

    @Cookie__XD

    Жыл бұрын

    Yay finally

  • @mrcutkut

    @mrcutkut

    Жыл бұрын

    Vsauce 2 has absolutely gone insane

  • @cypresscustoms
    @cypresscustoms Жыл бұрын

    We are all in the middle of a massive “group crazy” phase right now.

  • @aron8999

    @aron8999

    Жыл бұрын

    I feel it

  • @TheDanteBoots

    @TheDanteBoots

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks America.

  • @JustAnotherPerc

    @JustAnotherPerc

    11 ай бұрын

    @@TheDanteBoots Its not just america, its the entire world with the internet

  • @denisemcdougal6445

    @denisemcdougal6445

    8 ай бұрын

    Agreed

  • @criscarrion1689

    @criscarrion1689

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes but it’s not “a” there is more than one massive group crazy

  • @TickedOffPriest
    @TickedOffPriest Жыл бұрын

    Sometimes being an introvert is helpful. I can never be in the wrong crowd if I am not in a crowd.

  • @ralisgroffen

    @ralisgroffen

    9 ай бұрын

    "on the other hand isolation can stop other people from calling out the stupidity already inside" - Someone else in the comment section

  • @jimmyjohnson1870

    @jimmyjohnson1870

    7 ай бұрын

    I gotta agree with the reply, I honestly don't know if what I'm spouting to people, when I do talk I mean, is wisdom or isolation/horomone induced dillusions

  • @eyesofthecervino3366

    @eyesofthecervino3366

    5 ай бұрын

    As tempted as I am to agree with you, I can't help but feel that our being on the internet talking and listening to people probably negates that.

  • @TickedOffPriest

    @TickedOffPriest

    5 ай бұрын

    @@eyesofthecervino3366 Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with facts.

  • @racecarrik
    @racecarrik Жыл бұрын

    Realizing when certain groups aren't good for you and cutting them out of your life is 10/10 the best thing you can do to improve your happiness. Even if it's some of your closest friends!

  • @stalkingyouisfun

    @stalkingyouisfun

    Жыл бұрын

    That's called an echo chamber.

  • @wren_.

    @wren_.

    9 ай бұрын

    @@stalkingyouisfunwhy wouldn’t i want to surround myself with things i like? nothing matters

  • @stalkingyouisfun

    @stalkingyouisfun

    9 ай бұрын

    @@wren_. You matter

  • @wren_.

    @wren_.

    9 ай бұрын

    @@stalkingyouisfun no, I mean nothing matters in a good way. There’s no God that’ll judge my actions, so I can do whatever I want, like making my life the most happy it can be

  • @racecarrik

    @racecarrik

    9 ай бұрын

    @@iamafraidofwomen ideally you make the right friends as an adult, but sometimes as a kid you make friends and don't realize they are crappy people until you're an adult.

  • @OMIMox
    @OMIMox Жыл бұрын

    At first I only read half the title and I thought it was going to be about average intelligence. I used to think most people were at least moderately capable and smart, and then I worked in retail. Oh my god, how do some of these people *function*

  • @OMIMox

    @OMIMox

    Жыл бұрын

    @Cheesers oh no, I'm not talking about retail worker abuse. I'm talking about just how fucking braindead most people are 90% of the time. I've had a businessman have ask me "do you have a restroom" to which I've responded "our bathroom was flooded so it is out of service sir, I'm sorry" and he asked "can I use it?" When blowing up balloons I had a lady come scream at me that "her child's balloon popped" and "we should give her a refund because it popped" like wtf? I once had a fairly regular customer at home improvement store I worked try to walk in our store maskless during the height of the pandemic sayjng "God told me I don't have to wear a mask," "Jesus didn't wear a mask so why should we," and "the only people who die from the 'china flu' are sinners." Fun fact: later that week we learned from another contractor that his mom caught COVID-19 after he visited her and she died. Like, you would think these things happened infrequently, but it was everyday multiple times a day. Hell, in that same store we made a GIANT poster at the door that said "no mask no entry, police will be called" (our manager had immunocompromised parents and we'd had contractors pull guns on us) and I remember one time when three separate sets of people who didn't know each other but arrived at our store a little after 5p all walked-up without masks. Like 20ish people in total stared straight at a stupidly neon sign that you physically can't miss unless you're staring at the ground or sky and flat-out ignored it. I just fuckin locked the door and pointed to the sign as several people cussed at me and 1 banged his fists at the glass.

  • @cherriberri8373

    @cherriberri8373

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cheesers2084 Exactly. Like jeez did this person and the other 18 bozos not watch the video???

  • @OMIMox

    @OMIMox

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cherriberri8373 bruh 🤣🤣🤣 this is hilarious. You're throwing shade at me because admitted to misreading the title of the video, meanwhile you misread BOTH his and my comments. Like, istg your brain has a single braincell and it's dinging around in your head like a Windows screensaver.

  • @Bundpataka

    @Bundpataka

    Жыл бұрын

    You don’t get a full picture of someone’s life after a simple retail-related interaction with them

  • @cyberkitten6097

    @cyberkitten6097

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm literally on lunch right now at work, but a lady spilled a massive soda, so I put down the wet floor sign and another lady saw me put the sign down, and proceeded to stroll her cart straight through the spill and get irritated smh... I can't wait to graduate college

  • @dananichols349
    @dananichols349 Жыл бұрын

    The difference between the wisdom of crowds and the madness of crowds is pretty simple. Wisdom of crowds is dependent on diversity of thought. Madness of crowds comes about when everyone thinks the same.

  • @denisemcdougal6445

    @denisemcdougal6445

    8 ай бұрын

    Correct

  • @William0271

    @William0271

    7 ай бұрын

    I think the biggest issue is people's desire to fit in and self-censor

  • @supperhey

    @supperhey

    7 ай бұрын

    Or forced to think the same

  • @rianmacdonald9454

    @rianmacdonald9454

    7 ай бұрын

    cough cough religion.

  • @Alan_Duval

    @Alan_Duval

    7 ай бұрын

    Agreement via diverse methods?

  • @ryebread8356
    @ryebread8356 Жыл бұрын

    “Do you ask me what you should regard as especially to be avoided? I say, crowds; for as yet you cannot trust yourself to them with safety. What do you think I mean? I mean that I come home more greedy, more ambitious, more voluptuous, and even more cruel and inhuman, - because I have been among human beings.” - Seneca the Younger, on the effect of crowds at the Roman Coliseum

  • @MineCartable
    @MineCartable Жыл бұрын

    I've always been a proponent of individuation, and finding yourself. In my personal experience, a lot of my problems have stemmed from my own action or inaction. Adding friends, communities, and herd mentality into the mix made it near impossible to recognize or address the problem. In our modern world, knowing where the line of where you end and society begins is exactly is more important now than ever before, and even more difficult. Great video as always, and I'm glad to see you still making great videos.

  • @tabularasa268

    @tabularasa268

    Жыл бұрын

    Well said.

  • @Johncornwell103
    @Johncornwell103 Жыл бұрын

    I seriously wonder though if some of these mass hysteria cases like in South Carolina are really hysteria and not companies just lying to protect against lawsuits and bad publicity.

  • @brainflash1
    @brainflash1 Жыл бұрын

    "You'd be surprised how often those two coincide" - Captain Jack Sparrow.

  • @Dan-Simms
    @Dan-Simms Жыл бұрын

    Social media sure has made this worse over the years.

  • @henrygreen2096
    @henrygreen2096 Жыл бұрын

    _"We're all mad here"_ popped into my mind at the concluding quote haha. I love the way Vsauce videos are structured. Entertaining and educating as always.

  • @N8Dulcimer
    @N8Dulcimer9 ай бұрын

    I find the textile factory one fascinating because if that exact thing happened today and workers at a factory claimed to have been exposed to something, and the factory denied that it existed, I would believe the workers! We see examples *ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY* of impure drinking water passing inspections due to bribery and corruption. You can see videos of city councilmen being challenged to drink tap water and refusing, just minutes after swearing it's safe!

  • @DoDoENT
    @DoDoENT Жыл бұрын

    One of the best videos on this channel so far. I saved it to my "Worth watching again" list. Great job!

  • @xcoder1122
    @xcoder1122 Жыл бұрын

    Another good reason why elections must be secret. When everyone votes for themselves, it is the wisdom of the crowd, but when people are forced to vote publicly, it devolves into the madness of the crowd.

  • @burgerman101

    @burgerman101

    Жыл бұрын

    Vote by mail partially made elections more secretive.

  • @ArkmageEDM

    @ArkmageEDM

    Жыл бұрын

    Which is how we elected 2 angry old men in a row to the White House. Sigh.

  • @lythd

    @lythd

    11 ай бұрын

    @@ArkmageEDM well there are a lot of other reasons why we aren't getting candidates that people want. mainly the interest of the two parties and their donors

  • @thesummit6310
    @thesummit6310 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video, keep up the great work!

  • @deadlyshizzno
    @deadlyshizzno11 ай бұрын

    Might be my favorite VSauce2 video so far. Fascinating stuff

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie Жыл бұрын

    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it" - Agent Kay, Men In Black (1997) I've had this quote on my mind more and more over the last few years

  • @thanksfernuthin
    @thanksfernuthin Жыл бұрын

    Great presentation. I like how you didn't tie it to anything we've experienced recently thus allowing people to apply it as they will. It's an excellent defense of freedom of speech. There have been many times in history when the sole individual's point of view was viewed as insane, ignorant and even evil... but they were right and the pathway out of madness. A French researcher recently has discussed something called "Mass Formation". Extremely interesting and enlightening.

  • @axtoncommander8312
    @axtoncommander8312 Жыл бұрын

    We need more content like this video, please make more !

  • @12white1
    @12white1 Жыл бұрын

    One of the best chanels on yt. Came back and shot to the top immediately🔥

  • @eotwdave
    @eotwdave Жыл бұрын

    “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” ― Marcus Aurelius

  • @peacefrog257
    @peacefrog257 Жыл бұрын

    Not knowing how many jelly beans there's in the jar brings me crazy! Thanks Kev!

  • @Azaghal1988

    @Azaghal1988

    10 ай бұрын

    same here. I won't be able to sleep before I know!

  • @alibabasaluja6764
    @alibabasaluja6764 Жыл бұрын

    Glad to see yall back

  • @charvmcchungus4744
    @charvmcchungus47446 ай бұрын

    It’s amazing how much research you did to make this video

  • @DeJay7
    @DeJay7 Жыл бұрын

    I am definitely either smart or crazy, probably a combination of the two, potentially both.

  • @mattrenegar476
    @mattrenegar476 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Kevin. You are definitely part of the wisdom

  • @DirkieDurky
    @DirkieDurky Жыл бұрын

    Loved this video! One of the best I've seen on this channel! (And I've seen quite some)

  • @PLAYERSLAYER_22
    @PLAYERSLAYER_22 Жыл бұрын

    i love this video. thank you vsauce for years of boiling off the volume and leaving pure content.

  • @ScarletAsmodai
    @ScarletAsmodai Жыл бұрын

    I so want a way more in-depth video about this subject.

  • @UCjNrKLyRJI-abFA8qiNo92Q

    @UCjNrKLyRJI-abFA8qiNo92Q

    Жыл бұрын

    @SabineHossenfelder just made a video about it

  • @phillipmaciejewski9872
    @phillipmaciejewski9872 Жыл бұрын

    There's definitely some relevancy to be found in the "witch hunts" as well as some new aspects to the mass hysteria and crowd madness. Not only was it mostly memetic (I don't think it's really that much of a contention that witches didn't actually exist the way the hysteria claimed) but it was also extremely drawn out and distributed over a huge area.

  • @SeanGoresht
    @SeanGoresht Жыл бұрын

    7:18 the "Informational Domino Effect" is exactly the same thing which has happened to the tech industry with the mass layoffs; tech companies see other tech companies laying off employees, and so they conduct business conservatively. This has the same domino effect.

  • @stefantrebinjac3783
    @stefantrebinjac37838 ай бұрын

    Absolutely amazing video! This is something I "intuitively" had known throughout my life. I had always supported individual decisions, especially in important matters, such as politics / voting when I was having a discussion with friends of mine. This video is a great wisdom for those who don't know the importance of unaffected option of the individuals, inside of the masses! You can draw a funny conclusion from this; "A perceivable mass only becomes a mass when there is interconnection and reaction between atoms / particles". That's why my suggestion is to be golden, to be an individual and most of all, yourself! P.S: *Consistency*.

  • @omegahaxors3306
    @omegahaxors3306 Жыл бұрын

    1:58 This actually happened with Deltarune theorizing. At first everyone had a unique take on what Spamton was saying in a garbled and distorted voice line. At the start the environment was *extremely* low information, but as time went on, better isolation techniques came out. But what ended up happening is that people organized in discords to talk about what they thought and because the most dedicated players were the ones who got in earlier, outdated information from respected members clobbered any new information that was coming in. It was so bad that even with the perfect voice line being released officially with canon hints being given by the creator of the song, people were still being gaslit by the outdated information and ended up *convinced* that complete nonsense was accurate, and anyone who deviated from that established norm would be socially outcast, thus preventing the truth from ever being converged upon. This is exemplified by the line: "Until your heart goes RED" being misheard as "Until your heart gets all ripped up" Like, it's not even close syllable-wise and is complete nonsense in the context of the story, but because it got in early, it stuck.

  • @SannaJankarin

    @SannaJankarin

    6 ай бұрын

    Are there any studies of this in the field of psychology or anything else? Because it sounds fascinating.

  • @kaleb1799
    @kaleb17999 ай бұрын

    What an excellent video! My guess on the jar was 197. Who knows; am I part of the crowd of wisdom or madness…or both like you said. I hope this video reaches as many possible. God knows I’ve learned from it. Take care and keep doing what you’re doing with energy. All of it is needed if we want to continue onward to the stars and beyond in one piece.

  • @chadd990
    @chadd990 Жыл бұрын

    This was a really good approach to tackling misinformation, imo. Instead of attacking people and ultimately driving us away, you teach us how the spread of misinformation happens, and allow us to think for ourselves to determine what we may be wrong about. But we all know what this is really about. There’s been a lot of misinformation spreading on social media lately. I’m not saying anyone is dumb for falling for the lies, but the new Mario movie was probably the best movie of all time. As soon as we can all get on the same page about that, the sooner we can move forward.

  • @hurlemort_
    @hurlemort_ Жыл бұрын

    This video makes me remember a french youtuber called ‘Fouloscopie’ and he does experiences with crowds to explain how the humans (and other) work together.

  • @Brounstein
    @Brounstein Жыл бұрын

    Love your shows. You only explained the problem. You didn't say how I can be part of the wisdom and avoid the madness.

  • @Trolligi

    @Trolligi

    Жыл бұрын

    that shouldn’t be too hard for you to figure out, should it

  • @daemonbane1

    @daemonbane1

    Жыл бұрын

    He kinda did, and didn't need to at the same time since its a macro problem not a personal one - you both are and are not dumb and smart at all times, it all depends on the context of the question. Main point: People are dumb when local group pressure is present, so when trying to make good major decisions, you're better off getting secondary opinions of isolated, random people in large numbers (think survey level) If you ask a group of friends a question and your all sitting around a table, all the decisions made will be biased towards the groups overarching mindset - not necessarily good In contrast if you had each person give their opinion individually, (and could guarantee no-one would find out any one else's opinion, and they trust that they can give you a legit opinion without judgment (by ballot maybe?)) then you'd get a much more accurate\true response. In this case its still small scale so everyone would still be biased further by any shared upbringing, local regional mindsets etc, but it would be better than the initial room example. And the bigger you go the 'smarter' the response you'd get, so the most accurate information would come from entire populations, all being incentivized to reply anonymously. This is why jury duty in Australia is picked from a random subset of the local population and is legally mandated for instance - you'll get a more accurate 'wise' opinion if your Jury composed of random people who have no relation to each other, as they are less likely to feel social pressures to agree with each other than, say, if were to only ask people that chose to sign up for it, or people that lived in the same area etc. End of the day its a logistics problem, a bit of a catch 22, and not one you can really put into practice in any real way, unless you feel like polling every decision you want to make (and not via youtube\twitter eddit etc, cos then the only respondents will be a part of the hivemind), not to mention a decision would take way longer than is viable for day to day living.

  • @Zanroff

    @Zanroff

    Жыл бұрын

    No one is immune.

  • @Ascend777

    @Ascend777

    Жыл бұрын

    He did

  • @JanterCyrano
    @JanterCyrano Жыл бұрын

    existencial dreads delivered in a very sensible and informative video, Just like I love them. And as always, Awesome!

  • @h4rt360
    @h4rt360 Жыл бұрын

    love the soundtrack at the end

  • @antcolony23
    @antcolony23 Жыл бұрын

    Top quality, as always!

  • @bobSeigar
    @bobSeigar Жыл бұрын

    "Can I play with Madness?" He said; "You're blind, too blind too see."

  • @MarkusKnecht
    @MarkusKnecht Жыл бұрын

    I'm really curious how neuridiversity plays into this and if grups of neurodivergent people are more or less likely to exhibit such behaviour.

  • @petevenuti7355

    @petevenuti7355

    Жыл бұрын

    "neurodiversity" my thoughts, It doesn't matter if idiot or savant , empath or psychotic, timid or daredevil, it is diversity and tolerance that is needed to resist mob mentality, because the differences are a force to resist the convergence of mind that a mob is. It is required for human survival.

  • @bramvanduijn8086

    @bramvanduijn8086

    Жыл бұрын

    Depends on how they are neurodivergent I guess. They might be more or less capable of making social connections, which is part of the cause of these delusions.

  • @shawnholbrook7278

    @shawnholbrook7278

    Жыл бұрын

    probably less, if only because we blurt out stuff that other people don't like or agree with and we don't even know why what we said was "wrong". But, if you get a bunch of neurodivergents together in a club, they will probably have all the same logical fallacies and incorrect assumptions as neurotypicals. So, as long as we don't live in overprotective bubbles, and converse and respect humans from different cultures and backgrounds, we can still get along alright. (don't join any cults)

  • @Somebodyherefornow

    @Somebodyherefornow

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bramvanduijn8086 how neurodivergent and what kind of

  • @cmw3737

    @cmw3737

    7 ай бұрын

    neurodiversity is needed for the collective wisdom. Different environments need different ones to come forward. A pandemic needs different behaviour to an attack by barbarians but a society needs to survive through both.

  • @Phallentime
    @Phallentime Жыл бұрын

    I didn't know I needed this today but I did. Thank you.

  • @mohamadhoseinanjomshoa1551
    @mohamadhoseinanjomshoa1551 Жыл бұрын

    I've been watching your videos for a long time, but this was on another level this is exactly the question I've been asking myself, this is so what the worlds biggest "hidden" problem thanks

  • @ASCARNAZ
    @ASCARNAZ Жыл бұрын

    One way to think about it is that every individual is part of a whole, i.e. 0.5, and that crowds are multiplicative in terms of wisdom and knowledge, while individual ideas are additive. To the naked eye, it makes crowds to be more informed, because if information gets multiplied, that means it grows faster, right? It would if we were dealing in wholes, but like I mentioned earlier, we don't know everything about anything, which makes the half you know get multiplied by the half someone else knows, and so on and so forth, as you might know, 0.5 x 0.5 is not 1 or two, it's 0.25. This means, like he explained in the video, the more you discuss with more and more people, the collective answer gets diluted in the lack of full knowledge everyone has. When we form opinions individually though, things start to add, so the collective knowledge has different lenses to pass through instead of filtering in a crowd

  • @ourtube1128

    @ourtube1128

    Жыл бұрын

    That's an excellent way to get the point across. Good insight!

  • @andrewevenson2657
    @andrewevenson2657 Жыл бұрын

    Makes it seem like almost a good thing to be a “weirdo” so to speak. It is super normal for people to have and desire social relationships and groups. Not having that desire basically makes you immune to mass delusions I suppose.

  • @SgtSupaman

    @SgtSupaman

    Жыл бұрын

    Not being social just changes it from an external echo chamber to an internal one. The only clear advantage to not being social: your madness doesn't contribute to anyone else's. Unfortunately, that advantage doesn't work out for you.

  • @wren_.

    @wren_.

    9 ай бұрын

    but you also have major health problems. no joke, chronic loneliness is actually worse for your body than smoking a back of cigarettes

  • @xClairy

    @xClairy

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@wren_.That's only if you feel worse with loneliness some people just prefer being alone because they like it and unlike the off chance exceptions of being completely depressed and alone there's still a higher majority that maintain a balance of being alone and social interactions even if they're quieter than most people. Most often than not quiet people are quiet because they can keep themselves entertained in their head although some will have social anxiety or social awkwardness that overlap between it that's still relatively healthy state contrasting with depression.

  • @wren_.

    @wren_.

    8 ай бұрын

    @@xClairy lonely≠alone, you can not talk to anyone for years at a time and never feel lonely, or you can be voted prom queen and feel like the loneliest person in the world. loneliness is subjective, and also a bodily function like hunger or thirst.

  • @xClairy

    @xClairy

    8 ай бұрын

    @@wren_. Mhmm seems like my comprehension skills died but you make a good point

  • @PIX2IVE
    @PIX2IVE11 ай бұрын

    awesome video as always!

  • @goodman854
    @goodman854 Жыл бұрын

    I think there is a bit more complexity on the dust bowl farmers.

  • @ThisFinalHandle
    @ThisFinalHandle Жыл бұрын

    I wonder how my anti-5G friends are going, I should reach out to them sometime via faster internet speeds.

  • @Kabup2

    @Kabup2

    Жыл бұрын

    Not if you get Alzheimer's disease :)

  • @voidgamer7122

    @voidgamer7122

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Kabup2 5G has no links to any diseases at all.

  • @daddsfasdasd
    @daddsfasdasd Жыл бұрын

    Definitely crazy

  • @suraru95

    @suraru95

    Жыл бұрын

    You've ruined it

  • @RandyRocks619
    @RandyRocks619 Жыл бұрын

    Very important topic right now, appreciate the intelligent coverage

  • @carpo719
    @carpo719 Жыл бұрын

    This one was great. Thanks

  • @Zanroff
    @Zanroff Жыл бұрын

    This makes me think of 2020. I don't know who were the wisdom and who were the madness.

  • @mvmlego1212

    @mvmlego1212

    Жыл бұрын

    Wow. Until reading your comment, it hadn't really occurred to me that the beginning of the COVID pandemic, the George Floyd protests, and the controversy surrounding the 2020 U.S. presidential election all occurred within the span of a year. What a (literally) crazy year.

  • @ArtSurvivesArtist
    @ArtSurvivesArtist Жыл бұрын

    Concerning CoPilot: Because training your body is just as much mental as it is physical, I'm going to focus more on the mental side and finally go back to seeing a counselor. It might accomplish nothing, but nothing is exactly what I'm accomplishing right now anyway. Thanks for the reminder that something as simple having someone to interact with can have amazing effects.

  • @sKitZoBonKa
    @sKitZoBonKa Жыл бұрын

    World needed this vid. Good job

  • @flamewave64
    @flamewave64 Жыл бұрын

    This is one of your best video

  • @jurian0101
    @jurian0101 Жыл бұрын

    An alien once said wisely: Be yourself, no matter what they say.

  • @tropezando
    @tropezando Жыл бұрын

    The least knowledgeable speak with unearned authority and the most loudly, their misinformation spreads within the group because others don't want to have to think too hard on it and everyone is relieved that at least _someone_ knows _something,_ chaos ensues!

  • @deaddegenerategeneration7441
    @deaddegenerategeneration7441 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely fantastic video!!!!

  • @NickyThanksYou
    @NickyThanksYou Жыл бұрын

    ~918 jelly beans. Assuming 4.5” diameter, 5.75” height, glass 0.375” and some guesstimating on how much is in the neck. Also, you could have tricked us with some sort of backer since we didn’t see the whole jar.

  • @JohnnieHougaardNielsen
    @JohnnieHougaardNielsen Жыл бұрын

    "The Wisdom of Crowds" is a bit of a myth. The guessers around that bull weight had many people with a fair amount of knowledge of animals, enabling each of them to get reasonably close. And likely more people not knowing much, but canceling each other by wildly varying "random" guesses, meaning that the result came from the pool of knowledgeable guessers, which indeed should not be talking to each other.

  • @bramvanduijn8086

    @bramvanduijn8086

    Жыл бұрын

    It is statistics, not a myth.

  • @neuro.weaver
    @neuro.weaver Жыл бұрын

    I beg your pardon, but I am at least as far as the A. The blue one.

  • @Joeyzoom
    @Joeyzoom Жыл бұрын

    And as always, thanks for sharing.

  • @NavnikBHSilver
    @NavnikBHSilver Жыл бұрын

    In my opinion, madness (in the context of this video) is inevitable, but recovery from it, and the collective impact it has/would have, is largely determined by a willingness to confront your own biases that drove you to the madness. The problem is that this requires a lot of energy and causes a lot of stress due to cognitive dissonance, and as such I feel it is important to never shame a person for the beliefs they hold, even if we condemn or shame the belief itself. Or as it was said in a book I don't believe in: "Hate the sin, not the sinner"

  • @Vvopat96
    @Vvopat96 Жыл бұрын

    🤓 I think I realize the difference between bad and good crowds I'm in because I don't feel like I'm on any crowds that make me feel worse but it's true that usually the most liked commend is usually opposite of fact and just a fun idea but I'm not one of them how likes it. For exp. I don't use social media outside youtube or twitch because I think those are bad growds, there is no benefit for your confidence and mental health using them. KZread and Twitch don't get personal, you don't know how I'm so I don't take anything personally and that makes the difference.

  • @Kabup2

    @Kabup2

    Жыл бұрын

    Partially correct, since opinions in the videos or comments in Tweeter and KZread can have a effect in your perception of reality, throwing your behavior to better or worse. The same effect TV does, like in the Covid's pandemic, letting everyone in panic.

  • @TheMajesticSeaPancake
    @TheMajesticSeaPancake Жыл бұрын

    there are 2 jellybeans btw

  • @satisfyerpro
    @satisfyerpro Жыл бұрын

    I've done the jelly bean in a jar experiment before, and the crowd was only off by only 3 beans. It was cool and mind-blowing at the same time.

  • @Gamesaucer
    @Gamesaucer Жыл бұрын

    You can't be sane without knowing you're at least a little bit mad. We're all a little bit mad, after all. Knowing which parts of you are the mad ones makes it easier to get a grip on yourself and the world around you.

  • @gerarddicairano4974
    @gerarddicairano4974 Жыл бұрын

    So, do you think there's a difference between the kids born in the internet era, who could work an iPhone before they could walk, versus the pre-internet kids, who for their younger lives only had small local groups and experiences? Differences as in the ability to engage with different ideas, navigate the internet with resistance to the mob mentality, etc.?

  • @Kabup2

    @Kabup2

    Жыл бұрын

    They lost the social interaction. A friend from internet is not a real friend. They don't know that, so they can't see the difference.

  • @voidbite

    @voidbite

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Kabup2 Half, cause you do have some people that have been on the internet for basically their whole life and know that most internet friends aren't real friends.

  • @better.better

    @better.better

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Kabup2 I think no difference, because as a group, teenagers are basically the same regardless of generation. teenagers are noobs at independence, social interaction, etc. as a group the lessons they learn will make them smarter as adults specifically with regards to social media use, because their brains will have developed around that as an input, whereas the earlier generations as a group NEVER will be proficient with social media use. (note that I said "as a group", among individuals there will always be outliers in either direction)

  • @an0idiot0of0use
    @an0idiot0of0use Жыл бұрын

    I'm disappointed to admit it, but unfortunately I am neither part of the wisdom or the madness of the crowd - I'm utterly alone.

  • @skit555
    @skit555 Жыл бұрын

    Great one!

  • @reanetsemoleleki8219
    @reanetsemoleleki8219 Жыл бұрын

    This is the appropriate channel for this topic.

  • @martinlaak
    @martinlaak Жыл бұрын

    Nope more to the right, 1 after y

  • @zaubermaus8190
    @zaubermaus8190 Жыл бұрын

    i dont do crowds.

  • @whiterabbit47
    @whiterabbit47 Жыл бұрын

    In order to stay sane in such a mad world, one must be at least a little bit insane - Sumgui

  • @TheBrickBro
    @TheBrickBro Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting Mr Vsauce2, happy resurrection Sunday! ✝️❤️ God be with y'all, keep on movin😊

  • @FNHot
    @FNHot Жыл бұрын

    Im part of the wisdom, my proof, as time passes everything I was told I was crazy for believing, has all turned out to be true and is just known as fact at this point.

  • @Wayclarke

    @Wayclarke

    Жыл бұрын

    I haven't really noticed a lot of previously unbelievable ideas suddenly being accepted by the mainstream as facts so colour me skeptical.

  • @NominalJoe
    @NominalJoe Жыл бұрын

    Good lord, you are too real. It's hard for me to listen to this, but I feel like I need to.

  • @MichaelJones-gh4lq
    @MichaelJones-gh4lq5 ай бұрын

    What a timely and personally helpful video. I was raised in a cult and I left at 23, serving time alone. It's difficult for me to see the ways in which I still do this but the principles talked about here help clarify how to watch out for that

  • @ocivlahvi
    @ocivlahvi7 ай бұрын

    „Hell is other people” ~ Jean-Paul Sartre

  • @Angel_Bob_
    @Angel_Bob_ Жыл бұрын

    Excellent... damn nuance making everything more complicated again :p

  • @leozendo3500
    @leozendo3500 Жыл бұрын

    this one feels excellent.

  • @pierrecurie
    @pierrecurie8 ай бұрын

    2:20 The table of ox weight guesses is actually interesting. In modern parlance, real weight = 1207, std = 37, and left column = percentile. The median was actually spot on, whereas the avg was thrown off by extreme guesses (only by 1 according to vsauce). It's also interesting that relative to a normal distribution, ppl tend to guess lower.

  • @Felenari
    @Felenari Жыл бұрын

    Good watch ty.

  • @CubeItself
    @CubeItself Жыл бұрын

    watching the end of the video while my family argues downstairs is just too personal

  • @rejidomini
    @rejidomini Жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @lastnamefirstname8655
    @lastnamefirstname8655 Жыл бұрын

    very interesting, thanks kevin.

  • @magmadude35
    @magmadude35 Жыл бұрын

    This does make a lot of sense

  • @vsolyomi
    @vsolyomi Жыл бұрын

    It would take a 5-hour video to do this topic any justice

  • @MichaelEMJAYARE
    @MichaelEMJAYARE Жыл бұрын

    I fucking love videos like this.

  • @lingofearth2786
    @lingofearth27867 ай бұрын

    This reminds me of the song by Atmosphere “Smart went Crazy”

  • @danielsondiecastracing
    @danielsondiecastracing5 ай бұрын

    One of the most critically important videos you've ever made.